2014 Bran ECF vs 2008 Kobe WCF

[Ca$H]

Bran- 22.4 6.8 5.4 against the crap pacers. Series is still going on despite more help.
Wade- 21.2 4.0 4.4
Bosh- 14.4 5.6 1.4
Allen- 11.0 3.2 1.2



Kobe- 29.2 5.6 3.8 against Prime Duncan and Pop. Won the series in 5 games with less help.
Gasol- 13.2 9.6 3.6
Odom- 12.8 9.6 2.8
Farmar 8.4 1.8 1.0

Bran stans will avoid this thread like the plague. Bran is 29 years old and Kobe was 29 in 2008.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Bran- 22.4 6.8 5.4 against the crap pacers. Series is still going on despite more help.
Wade- 21.2 4.0 4.4
Bosh- 14.4 5.6 1.4
Allen- 11.0 3.2 1.2



Kobe- 29.2 5.6 3.8 against Prime Duncan and Pop. Won the series in 5 games with less help.
Gasol- 13.2 9.6 3.6
Odom- 12.8 9.6 2.8
Farmar 8.4 1.8 1.0

Bran stans will avoid this thread like the plague. Bran is 29 years old and Kobe was 29 in 2008.

Prime Jordan 1991-1993 would be averaging 33-35 pg against these pacers. LeBron will always be a scrub.

[annbafan]

wouldn't it be better to compare Lebron's 07 finals and Kobe's 08 WCF?:confusedshrug: They were playing against factually the same team...

[Ca$H]

wouldn't it be better to compare Lebron's 07 finals and Kobe's 08 WCF?:confusedshrug: They were playing against factually the same team...

I want to compare them at the same age just to be fair to Bran.

[r15mohd]

Lebron had 5 fouls in game 5, with only 24 mins of play (36mpg avg)...Kobe had 7 fouls the whole series, while avg 40 mins per game.

but you're right...we can ALL now avoid this thread because it is misleading without substantial facts and ALL relevant criterias.


mods...feel free to lock

[tmacattack33]

How about Lebron 2009 ECF vs any of Kobe's series ever?

[riseagainst]

wouldn't it be better to compare Lebron's 07 finals and Kobe's 08 WCF?:confusedshrug: They were playing against factually the same team...

:lol

:roll: :roll:

[riseagainst]

How about Lebron 2009 ECF vs any of Kobe's series ever?

yeah it was a great win.


OH WAIT.

[Ne 1]

How about Lebron 2009 ECF vs any of Kobe's series ever?
There were actually some areas where LeBron could have stepped up in the 2009 ECF, in particular his defense. His defense was pretty poor in the '09 series vs Orlando and practically exposed. I remember people were talking about how he was a DPOY candidate that year and he showed how he wasn't even close in that ECF. They assigned him to Rafer Alston and made him sag off of him and the thing is LeBron didn't make much of an impact on help defense. He didn't really bother Dwight, though it was hard to do so because of how deep he was setting up, but I don't remember him pressuring the ball to take time off the clock. Kobe's help defense on Dwight in the Finals was a good bit better and often stripped him or forced a deflection.

He also wasn't that good in crunch time... in some of the fourth quarters like missing 5 free throws in game 3 and a whole bunch of turnovers in game 4 late in the game. Game 6 was also pretty weak, 2 points in the fourth.

He didn't get much help vs Orlando, although I don't think that his performance was as astonishing as some people consider it. That goes with saying that Mo, West, Z, Varejao actually all played well in the elimination game (not the entire series, but they were on in game 6), but Lebron pretty much quit at half time.

[annbafan]

:lol

:roll: :roll:

what?

[tmacattack33]

There were actually some areas where LeBron could have stepped up in the 2009 ECF, in particular his defense. His defense was pretty poor in the '09 series vs Orlando and practically exposed. I remember people were talking about how he was a DPOY candidate that year and he showed how he wasn't even close in that ECF. They assigned him to Rafer Alston and made him sag off of him and the thing is LeBron didn't make much of an impact on help defense. He didn't really bother Dwight, though it was hard to do so because of how deep he was setting up, but I don't remember him pressuring the ball to take time off the clock. Kobe's help defense on Dwight in the Finals was a good bit better and often stripped him or forced a deflection.

He also wasn't that good in crunch time... in some of the fourth quarters like missing 5 free throws in game 3 and a whole bunch of turnovers in game 4 late in the game. Game 6 was also pretty weak, 2 points in the fourth.

He didn't get much help vs Orlando, although I don't think that his performance was as astonishing as some people consider it. That goes with saying that Mo, West, Z, Varejao actually all played well in the elimination game (not the entire series, but they were on in game 6), but Lebron pretty much quit at half time.

I see. I wasn't really serious...and I wouldn't even remember every game like you do unless i went back and looked at it.

All i meant by my rhetorical question though was "why are you comparing the 2014 ECF to 2008 WCF...Kobe and Lebron have been in multiple Conference Finals...what is the point of this random comparison?"

[Magic 32]

How about Lebron 2009 ECF vs any of Kobe's series ever?

2010 WCF

Almost the same stats. Finished the series off in style.

[Ca$H]

I see. I wasn't really serious...and I wouldn't even remember every game like you do unless i went back and looked at it.

All i meant by my rhetorical question though was "why are you comparing the 2014 ECF to 2008 WCF...Kobe and Lebron have been in multiple Conference Finals...what is the point of this random comparison?"
Same age 29 years old.

[Rose'sACL]

2010 WCF

Almost the same stats. Finished the series off in style.

http://i.imgur.com/WcyV2qp.gif

[J Shuttlesworth]

2013 ECF - 29 pts, 7.3 reb, 5 ast on 51% shooting

and that's against the #1 defensive team in the league.

Only reason Bron's averages are down is because of a fluke game where the refs took him out

[Ne 1]

I see. I wasn't really serious...and I wouldn't even remember every game like you do unless i went back and looked at it.

All i meant by my rhetorical question though was "why are you comparing the 2014 ECF to 2008 WCF...Kobe and Lebron have been in multiple Conference Finals...what is the point of this random comparison?"
Gotcha. Yeah, it does seem a little arbitrary to compare a random series to another, but OP mentioned because they were the same age at the time so I suppose it isn't completely unfair to compare them around the same age/prime years

[LongLiveTheKing]

If it wasn't for the refs the Heat would've won and Lebrons averages would be better

[Jlamb47]

Tell Lebron play better defense and stop fouling
ITs no ones fault but Lebrons that he played 24 minutes
yal be riding d1ck
if Kobe played 24 minutes yal be talking about how he cant play D so yal need to shut up

[Dresta]

Bran- 22.4 6.8 5.4 against the crap pacers. Series is still going on despite more help.
Wade- 21.2 4.0 4.4
Bosh- 14.4 5.6 1.4
Allen- 11.0 3.2 1.2



Kobe- 29.2 5.6 3.8 against Prime Duncan and Pop. Won the series in 5 games with less help.
Gasol- 13.2 9.6 3.6
Odom- 12.8 9.6 2.8
Farmar 8.4 1.8 1.0

Bran stans will avoid this thread like the plague. Bran is 29 years old and Kobe was 29 in 2008.Shooting %'s please.

[T_L_P]

OP, what do you mean by less help?

Kobe had less help than LeBron, or he had less help than the Spurs?

[Kiddlovesnets]

Spurs and Duncan were nowhere still in their prime in 2008. That Spurs team was old from its starters to the bench, the fact that it even made to WCF was kind of a miracle since the Hornets deserved more. This current Spurs team is way better.

[T_L_P]

Spurs and Duncan were nowhere still in their prime in 2008. That Spurs team was old from its starters to the bench, the fact that it even made to WCF was kind of a miracle since the Hornets deserved more. This current Spurs team is way better.

It was Duncan, Parker, hobbled Manu, and then everyone else was either old as shit (Barry, Bowen, Finley, Kurt, Horry) or just plain shit (Bonner, Udoka).

Looking back at that team, it seems really mediocre. I don't know how they beat the Horntets, especially with Duncan being sick for the first two or three games.

[Magic 32]

http://i.imgur.com/WcyV2qp.gif

Oh right. 4.8 ppg less.......but

5% better shooting, 13% better FT shooting in 17 less minutes.

and this:

http://thehoopdoctors.com/online2/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Kobe-rt-float.jpg


2010 WCF >>>>> 2009 ECF

Deal with it.

[Jlamb47]

It was Duncan, Parker, hobbled Manu, and then everyone else was either old as shit (Barry, Bowen, Finley, Kurt, Horry) or just plain shit (Bonner, Udoka).

Looking back at that team, it seems really mediocre. I don't know how they beat the Horntets, especially with Duncan being sick for the first two or three games.

I member that series. I dont think anyone thought SPurs were winning that series

[Rose'sACL]

Oh right. 4.8 ppg less.......but

5% better shooting, 13% better FT shooting in 17 less minutes.

and this:

http://thehoopdoctors.com/online2/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Kobe-rt-float.jpg
are you comparing 2010 phoenix defense to 2009 magic defense?

[riseagainst]

2010 WCF was even more dominant than his 2008 series.

34-7-8 on 53/43/88 with only 2.5 TOs a game. and he only avged 7 FTA.

:applause:

[Magic 32]

are you comparing 2010 phoenix defense to 2009 magic defense?

Didn't seem to matter to Kobe

[tpols]

are you comparing 2010 phoenix defense to 2009 magic defense?

Did you watch the 2010 WCFs?? Kobe was draining the most contested shots youll ever see.. a lot of them were comically bad as far as shot selection goes, but they were all dropping.

[LongLiveTheKing]

Didn't seem to matter to Kobe
Lebron against the Magic was way better than Kobe, if only Lebron had Derek Fisher to bail him out :oldlol:

[riseagainst]

Lebron against the Magic was way better than Kobe, if only Lebron had Derek Fisher to bail him out :oldlol:

lebron against the Magic makes Durant look like an amateur in drawing fouls.

16 FTA a game. :lol

[Magic 32]

Lebron against the Magic was way better than Kobe, if only Lebron had Derek Fisher to bail him out :oldlol:

Way better?

5 ppg more on 5% better shooting.

Thats' about it.

And were not comparing those series.

[LongLiveTheKing]

Way better?

5 ppg more on 5% better shooting.

Thats' about it.

And were not comparing those series.
Yes better.
And last game because of the refs LeBron's averages went down for this series.

[Milbuck]

Lebron was a monster against the Magic in 2009, but it played right into their defensive system. They wanted to concentrate all of Cleveland's offense to Lebron. Totally isolate his usage from his teammates. His usage was just absurd that game. Granted, his teammates were pretty bad and he was terrific when he had the ball...but there was a bit of inflating going on with his numbers. 34/7/8 on 64% TS vs 39/8/8 on 59% TS is pretty close in and of itself. But when you factor in that Lebron's usage was 8% higher, it's even closer.

[Magic 32]

And last game because of the refs LeBron's averages went down for this series.

Refs decided Lebron's game 6 ????

:hammerhead:

Let's face it, not everyone can finish of an all-time great series like this:

http://lakersblog.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c506253ef0133ef56026a970b-pi

[LongLiveTheKing]

Refs decided Lebron's game 6 ????

:hammerhead:
It was game 5 and yes the refs pretty much decided Lebron couldn't do anything or else it would've been a foul.

[Bigsmoke]

Kobe fans that bored?

[Magic 32]

It was game 5 and yes the refs pretty much decided Lebron couldn't do anything or else it would've been a foul.

Wait, are we not talking about 2009?

[LongLiveTheKing]

Wait, are we not talking about 2009?
Yes and then you changed it by saying the series being compared wasn't
2009 v 2010
I meant last game in the 2014 ECF messed up Lebrons averages because of the refs

[Magic 32]

Yes and then you changed it by saying the series being compared wasn't
2009 v 2010


Right.


We were comparing Kobe vs Suns in 2010 and Lebron vs Magic in 2009 (the best series by both).


How about Lebron 2009 ECF vs any of Kobe's series ever?

[TheMarkMadsen]

Lebron was a monster against the Magic in 2009, but it played right into their defensive system. They wanted to concentrate all of Cleveland's offense to Lebron. Totally isolate his usage from his teammates. His usage was just absurd that game. Granted, his teammates were pretty bad and he was terrific when he had the ball...but there was a bit of inflating going on with his numbers. 34/7/8 on 64% TS vs 39/8/8 on 59% TS is pretty close in and of itself. But when you factor in that Lebron's usage was 8% higher, it's even closer.


Exactly, bran played bran ball and was waaaay to ball dominant. He looked like he was playing for 40 pt triple doubles, not wins

And lol @ bran stans trying to prop up a series in which Lebron lost :roll:

Only Lebron fans would bring up a losing series and try to act like it was some goat performance

[Milbuck]

Right.


We were comparing Kobe vs Suns in 2010 and Lebron vs Magic in 2009 (the best series by both).
I think 2 of Kobe's series from 2001 deserve a mention.

First he put up 35/9/4/2/1 on 59% TS against the Kings, then put up 33/7/7/2/1 on 57% TS against the #1 defense Spurs. 2 consecutive series of just trashing a 55 win team and a 58 win team.

[Rose'sACL]

I think 2 of Kobe's series from 2001 deserve a mention.

First he put up 35/9/4/2/1 on 59% TS against the Kings, then put up 33/7/7/2/1 on 57% TS against the #1 defense Spurs. 2 consecutive series of just trashing a 55 win team and a 58 win team.
i think they are comparing both when they were the clear first options on their teams.

[aj1987]

There were actually some areas where LeBron could have stepped up in the 2009 ECF, in particular his defense. His defense was pretty poor in the '09 series vs Orlando and practically exposed. I remember people were talking about how he was a DPOY candidate that year and he showed how he wasn't even close in that ECF. They assigned him to Rafer Alston and made him sag off of him and the thing is LeBron didn't make much of an impact on help defense. He didn't really bother Dwight, though it was hard to do so because of how deep he was setting up, but I don't remember him pressuring the ball to take time off the clock. Kobe's help defense on Dwight in the Finals was a good bit better and often stripped him or forced a deflection.

He also wasn't that good in crunch time... in some of the fourth quarters like missing 5 free throws in game 3 and a whole bunch of turnovers in game 4 late in the game. Game 6 was also pretty weak, 2 points in the fourth.

He didn't get much help vs Orlando, although I don't think that his performance was as astonishing as some people consider it. That goes with saying that Mo, West, Z, Varejao actually all played well in the elimination game (not the entire series, but they were on in game 6), but Lebron pretty much quit at half time.
Yeah, Lebron was gonna lockdown 3 Magic players at the same time, while averaging 39/8/8.

Meanwhile, Kobe scores 23 points on 6/24 shooting in a Game 7 of the Finals (with EXTREME ref help).

Give Kobe LeBron's Cav's teams to Kobe and he isn't even making the Playoffs once. Yet, LeBron took them to the Finals, and 2 60+ win seasons.

[Heavincent]

i think they are comparing both when they were the clear first options on their teams.

Kobe was the first option in those series...

[Magic 32]

I think 2 of Kobe's series from 2001 deserve a mention.

First he put up 35/9/4/2/1 on 59% TS against the Kings, then put up 33/7/7/2/1 on 57% TS against the #1 defense Spurs. 2 consecutive series of just trashing a 55 win team and a 58 win team.

But WCF 2010 has great stats and a clutch ending (insanely clutch in fact).

The 2001 series were massacres.

[Magic 32]

Yeah, Lebron was gonna lockdown 3 Magic players at the same time, while averaging 39/8/8.

Meanwhile, Kobe scores 23 points on 6/24 shooting in a Game 7 of the Finals (with EXTREME ref help).

Give Kobe LeBron's Cav's teams to Kobe and he isn't even making the Playoffs once. Yet, LeBron took them to the Finals, and 2 60+ win seasons.

Talk about changing the subject :oldlol:

And yes, Kobe would make the playoffs in the east.

Just like the 2001 76'ers, the Cavs had shooters and first rate defense.

More than enough in the east.

[aj1987]

Talk about changing the subject :oldlol:

And yes, Kobe would make the playoffs in the east.

Just like the 2001 76'ers, the Cavs had shooters and first rate defense.

More than enough in the east.
Cool story, bro. Kobe missed the Playoffs in his prime. Had one of the WORST Game 7's for a "top 10 GOAT" and is an inefficient chucker, who more often than not gets bailed out by his teammates. You stan a dude who choked more times than any other all time great.

WOAT Finals performer. Which other top 15 player scored 15 PPG on sub 38% shooting in the Finals?

If the guy played on an EC team, he would have 1 ECF title at best. Probably the worst clutch performer in the league.

[Magic 32]

Kobe missed the Playoffs in his prime.

Cool story, bro.

Rudy bailed on the team and Kobe was left teaching the triangle offense during games.



WOAT Finals performer. Which other top 15 player scored 15 PPG on sub 38% shooting in the Finals?


Cool story, bro.

Well...I'm not even gonna do this again.......you already know.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Cool story, bro. Kobe missed the Playoffs in his prime.

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[Ne 1]

are you comparing 2010 phoenix defense to 2009 magic defense?
They weren't as great as Orlando was, but they were a top 5 defense after the All-Star break though.

[Milbuck]

Cool story, bro. Kobe missed the Playoffs in his prime. Had one of the WORST Game 7's for a "top 10 GOAT" and is an inefficient chucker, who more often than not gets bailed out by his teammates. You stan a dude who choked more times than any other all time great.

WOAT Finals performer. Which other top 15 player scored 15 PPG on sub 38% shooting in the Finals?

If the guy played on an EC team, he would have 1 ECF title at best. Probably the worst clutch performer in the league.
Are you just gonna ignore context in every point you make? "Missed the playoffs in his prime"...as if the dude had talent around him and just consistently choked. The dude was singlehandedly carrying Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, Chris Mihm, Brian Cook and co. to the playoffs in the West and almost took out the 2nd seed by himself. His best option was 14ppg Lamar Odom. Kwame Brown and Luke Walton were his 3rd and 4th options in the playoffs.

As for the WOAT Finals performer part..there's another point with zero context. Even setting aside the fact that he was younger than most rookies at the time, you're gonna ignore the fact that he was intentionally injured by Jalen Rose in game 2, who flat out admitted to it? He put up 23/4/5/2/2 on 55% TS before that, which is pretty damn good for his breakout year.

I hate bringing it up, but you guys force it. Lebron is literally one shot, arguably the greatest clutch shot in NBA history, away from having 3 shit finals series (for all-time great standards) out of 4. See how you can twist things to suit an agenda? Thing is, I'm not going to ignore context the way you blatantly do. Lebron was a 22 year old thoroughly inexperienced player in his first finals series against the Spurs, and the talent on both teams were like night and day. His 2013 Finals were pretty average if not mediocre until a good game 6 and Ray's shot, which gave him the opportunity to have an epic game 7...but a lot of the mediocrity before that can be attributed to Wade and Bosh playing like ass for a huge chunk of that series.

[Ne 1]

Cool story, bro. Kobe missed the Playoffs in his prime. Had one of the WORST Game 7's for a "top 10 GOAT" and is an inefficient chucker,.
Actually, Kobe's efficiency has always been excellent given his usage and volume. The league average for SG's is around 42-43%, Kobe hovered around 45-47% for most of his career, but you have it (wrongfully) drilled in your head that he's a an inefficient chucker. He's performed better than nearly every guard.

[Black and White]

Are you just gonna ignore context in every point you make? "Missed the playoffs in his prime"...as if the dude had talent around him and just consistently choked. The dude was singlehandedly carrying Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, Chris Mihm, Brian Cook and co. to the playoffs in the West and almost took out the 2nd seed by himself. His best option was 14ppg Lamar Odom. Kwame Brown and Luke Walton were his 3rd and 4th options in the playoffs.

As for the WOAT Finals performer part..there's another point with zero context. Even setting aside the fact that he was younger than most rookies at the time, you're gonna ignore the fact that he was intentionally injured by Jalen Rose in game 2, who flat out admitted to it? He put up 23/4/5/2/2 on 55% TS before that, which is pretty damn good for his breakout year.

I hate bringing it up, but you guys force it. Lebron is literally one shot, arguably the greatest clutch shot in NBA history, away from having 3 shit finals series (for all-time great standards) out of 4. See how you can twist things to suit an agenda? Thing is, I'm not going to ignore context the way you blatantly do. Lebron was a 22 year old thoroughly inexperienced player in his first finals series against the Spurs, and the talent on both teams were like night and day. His 2013 Finals were pretty average if not mediocre until a good game 6 and Ray's shot, which gave him the opportunity to have an epic game 7...but a lot of the mediocrity before that can be attributed to Wade and Bosh playing like ass for a huge chunk of that series.

:applause: Hope AJ can at least understand this and not feel the need to try prop up LeBron still.

[Ne 1]

The beauty of Kobe's game is that he has very good efficiency, but also a great skill-set, so you get the best of both worlds.

Ignorant people compare Kobe to guys like Iverson and Melo (hilarious considering Kobe was a significantly better defensive player and also a great facilitator/play-maker) mainly because of efficiency, but Kobe being inefficient over his career is a myth. He has always been efficient relative to league average, even in most of his highest-volume shooting seasons. In fact, he had excellent efficiency over his prime. He was at a excellent +3-4% relative to league average TS% from 2001-2009. That's as good as the "efficiency God" Wade or 2nd 3-peat Michael Jordan. At no point in his career has Kobe been under league average efficency and he takes many last second shots.

[K Xerxes]

Um, 2012 Bron ECF vs 2006 Kobe WCF...?

[dajadeed]

Did you watch the 2010 WCFs?? Kobe was draining the most contested shots youll ever see.. a lot of them were comically bad as far as shot selection goes, but they were all dropping.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KKJmSYaC8E

[riseagainst]

Are you just gonna ignore context in every point you make? "Missed the playoffs in his prime"...as if the dude had talent around him and just consistently choked. The dude was singlehandedly carrying Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, Chris Mihm, Brian Cook and co. to the playoffs in the West and almost took out the 2nd seed by himself. His best option was 14ppg Lamar Odom. Kwame Brown and Luke Walton were his 3rd and 4th options in the playoffs.

As for the WOAT Finals performer part..there's another point with zero context. Even setting aside the fact that he was younger than most rookies at the time, you're gonna ignore the fact that he was intentionally injured by Jalen Rose in game 2, who flat out admitted to it? He put up 23/4/5/2/2 on 55% TS before that, which is pretty damn good for his breakout year.

I hate bringing it up, but you guys force it. Lebron is literally one shot, arguably the greatest clutch shot in NBA history, away from having 3 shit finals series (for all-time great standards) out of 4. See how you can twist things to suit an agenda? Thing is, I'm not going to ignore context the way you blatantly do. Lebron was a 22 year old thoroughly inexperienced player in his first finals series against the Spurs, and the talent on both teams were like night and day. His 2013 Finals were pretty average if not mediocre until a good game 6 and Ray's shot, which gave him the opportunity to have an epic game 7...but a lot of the mediocrity before that can be attributed to Wade and Bosh playing like ass for a huge chunk of that series.


god dam. AJ getting straight ethered.

:roll:
:lol

[Inferno]

The beauty of Kobe's game is that he has very good efficiency, but also a great skill-set, so you get the best of both worlds.

Ignorant people compare Kobe to guys like Iverson and Melo (hilarious considering Kobe was a significantly better defensive player and also a great facilitator/play-maker) mainly because of efficiency, but Kobe being inefficient over his career is a myth. He has always been efficient relative to league average, even in most of his highest-volume shooting seasons. In fact, he had excellent efficiency over his prime. He was at a excellent +3-4% relative to league average TS% from 2001-2009. That's as good as the "efficiency God" Wade or 2nd 3-peat Michael Jordan. At no point in his career has Kobe been under league average efficency and he takes many last second shots.

:applause:

[Hey Yo]

Wait, are we not talking about 2009?
I think they're talking about the year Kobe demanded to be traded after another 1st round loss.

[Hey Yo]

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Actually it was 17-47

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200211070BOS.html

[ArbitraryWater]

Lebron was a monster against the Magic in 2009, but it played right into their defensive system. They wanted to concentrate all of Cleveland's offense to Lebron. Totally isolate his usage from his teammates. His usage was just absurd that game. Granted, his teammates were pretty bad and he was terrific when he had the ball...but there was a bit of inflating going on with his numbers. 34/7/8 on 64% TS vs 39/8/8 on 59% TS is pretty close in and of itself. But when you factor in that Lebron's usage was 8% higher, it's even closer.


:roll: :roll:

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight

Any time it doesn't fit, lets just say the opponent focused on the teammates and let player x get his..

[ArbitraryWater]

Its amazing how these tards ala Mark Madsen, Magic 32, etc will use ANY arbitrary garbage when it fits their agenda, but dismiss it as "stats!!!" any time, which is 90% of the time, it doesnt...

just days ago he randomly counted points/assists/rebounds up to come to the conclusion that kobe's 2009 finals game 1 was better than lebron's 2013 finals game 7............ :wtf: :banghead:

[ArbitraryWater]

:applause: Hope AJ can at least understand this and not feel the need to try prop up LeBron still.

:facepalm Oh my god,, you post like a ****in' teen on this board...

Like with Milbuck and Smook, when you were like "Oh no, I hate seing 2 good posters like you not get along... please like each other and stop with the hating!"

:biggums:

[PsychoBe]

:facepalm Oh my god,, you post like a ****in' teen on this board...

Like with Milbuck and Smook, when you were like "Oh no, I hate seing 2 good posters like you not get along... please like each other and stop with the hating!"

:biggums:

that was me :(

[HOoopCityJones]

ArbitraryPiss having a meltdown.

[aj1987]

Are you just gonna ignore context in every point you make? "Missed the playoffs in his prime"...as if the dude had talent around him and just consistently choked. The dude was singlehandedly carrying Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, Chris Mihm, Brian Cook and co. to the playoffs in the West and almost took out the 2nd seed by himself. His best option was 14ppg Lamar Odom. Kwame Brown and Luke Walton were his 3rd and 4th options in the playoffs.

As for the WOAT Finals performer part..there's another point with zero context. Even setting aside the fact that he was younger than most rookies at the time, you're gonna ignore the fact that he was intentionally injured by Jalen Rose in game 2, who flat out admitted to it? He put up 23/4/5/2/2 on 55% TS before that, which is pretty damn good for his breakout year.

This is exactly the point that Kobetards seem to miss, when they bring up LeBron's "failures" in Cleveland. Dude had scrubs around him and he carried them for years. Kobetards seem to always miss the context. The '09 Magic series? A his other scoring options shot like shit. '07 Finals? Who do you think the Spurs would concentrate on, given LeBron's teammates. etc. etc.


I actually like Kobe and supported him a bunch of time (when I first joined) against LeTards, FYI. You can look it up.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

This is exactly the point that Kobetards seem to miss, when they bring up LeBron's "failures" in Cleveland. Dude had scrubs around him and he carried them for years. Kobetards seem to always miss the context. The '09 Magic series? A his other scoring options shot like shit. '07 Finals? Who do you think the Spurs would concentrate on, given LeBron's teammates. etc. etc.


I actually like Kobe and supported him a bunch of time (when I first joined) against LeTards, FYI. You can look it up.

The Cavs offense was just as efficient as the Lakers offense against the Magic that year in the playoffs. Check the stats. Lakers just played better defense.

[aj1987]

The Cavs offense was just as efficient as the Lakers offense against the Magic that year in the playoffs. Check the stats. Lakers just played better defense.
Mo and West played like shit and the Cav's couldn't stop Dwight, Lewis, and Pietrus. Dwight scored 26 points on 69% TS against the Cav's and 15 points on 58% TS against the Lakers.

[JohnFreeman]

People thought Cleveland were going to win against the Spurs and Magic? :wtf:

[Warfan]

People thought Cleveland were going to win against the Spurs and Magic? :wtf:

Not the Spurs, but I picked the Cavs to beat Orlando. Cant really blame bron much tho, dude dropped 40 a couple times and had that crazy triple double game in game 5.

I thought Boston had a very good chance to beat Cleveland in 10' tho...

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Mo and West played like shit and the Cav's couldn't stop Dwight, Lewis, and Pietrus. Dwight scored 26 points on 69% TS against the Cav's and 15 points on 58% TS against the Lakers.

Who cares about this player or that player? I'll repeat it. OVERALL the Cavs offense was just as good as the Lakers offense against the Magic.

Who did LeBron stop defensively? I thought he was capable of guarding all 5 positions. How much physically bigger is Dwight Howard to LeBron?

[JohnFreeman]

Not the Spurs, but I picked the Cavs to beat Orlando. Cant really blame bron much tho, dude dropped 40 a couple times and had that crazy triple double game in game 5.

I thought Boston had a very good chance to beat Cleveland in 10' tho...
I always knew Orlando was going to win that series, Howard couldn't be stopped and Turkoglu, Reddick and Lewis were going to get hot.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

And if we are talking about context how about the context that LeBron only beat one team with a winning record before getting swept by the Spurs??? That playoff run is the most overrated and overhyped in NBA history.

[Rodmantheman]

And if we are talking about context how about the context that LeBron only beat one team with a winning record before getting swept by the Spurs??? That playoff run is the most overrated and overhyped in NBA history.

:coleman:

[Warfan]

And if we are talking about context how about the context that LeBron only beat one team with a winning record before getting swept by the Spurs??? That playoff run is the most overrated and overhyped in NBA history.

No one says that it's one of the best playoff runs or whatever. Hell it's not even in Lebrons top 2 runs...

But still, a 22 year old dragging scrubs to the finals while putting up one of the best performances ever and leading his team to backdoor sweep a good Detroit team is impressive.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

No one says that it's one of the best playoff runs or whatever. Hell it's not even in Lebrons top 2 runs...

But still, a 22 year old dragging scrubs to the finals while putting up one of the best performances ever and leading his team to backdoor sweep a good Detroit team is impressive.

How in the world is it dragging your team to the Finals when you are a top 5 defense team and only beat one team with a winning record? LeBron had one monster game against DET the rest were won defensively ...years before LeBron even tried on defense. You just further prove how overrated and overjoyed it is right now.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

lets take LeBrons worst CF and compare it to one of Kobes best
especially since the refs fukked up LeBrons entire EPIC playoff averages with one game.
first superstar in the history of the NBA that got actively taken out of the game for nothing because hes to good.
in other words GOAT

[Jlamb47]

lets take LeBrons worst CF and compare it to one of Kobes best
especially since the refs fukked up LeBrons entire EPIC playoff averages with one game.
first superstar in the history of the NBA that got actively taken out of the game for nothing because hes to good.
in other words GOAT

Wow 8k post in 5 months :biggums:

[3peated]

i enjoy a lebron hate thread as much as the rest, but i hate seeing him called crap, he just isn't a score first mentality player.

[AnaheimLakers24]

Wow 8k post in 5 months :biggums:
hes probably just a self running computer program designed to post shit.
no one can be that pathetic

[Prometheus]

Are you just gonna ignore context in every point you make? "Missed the playoffs in his prime"...as if the dude had talent around him and just consistently choked. The dude was singlehandedly carrying Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, Chris Mihm, Brian Cook and co. to the playoffs in the West and almost took out the 2nd seed by himself. His best option was 14ppg Lamar Odom. Kwame Brown and Luke Walton were his 3rd and 4th options in the playoffs.

As for the WOAT Finals performer part..there's another point with zero context. Even setting aside the fact that he was younger than most rookies at the time, you're gonna ignore the fact that he was intentionally injured by Jalen Rose in game 2, who flat out admitted to it? He put up 23/4/5/2/2 on 55% TS before that, which is pretty damn good for his breakout year.

I hate bringing it up, but you guys force it. Lebron is literally one shot, arguably the greatest clutch shot in NBA history, away from having 3 shit finals series (for all-time great standards) out of 4. See how you can twist things to suit an agenda? Thing is, I'm not going to ignore context the way you blatantly do. Lebron was a 22 year old thoroughly inexperienced player in his first finals series against the Spurs, and the talent on both teams were like night and day. His 2013 Finals were pretty average if not mediocre until a good game 6 and Ray's shot, which gave him the opportunity to have an epic game 7...but a lot of the mediocrity before that can be attributed to Wade and Bosh playing like ass for a huge chunk of that series.

This is why I like you Milbuck. So much truth all packaged neatly into a few short paragraphs.

Anyway, this thread is pretty asinine. Way to jump on the opportunity to show LeBron's stats as they are deflated due to epic foul trouble in game 5.

[Jlamb47]

hes probably just a self running computer program designed to post shit.
no one can be that pathetic

yeah thats crazy he probably got 2 acounts to

[Ca$H]

LOL. What is so hard to understand? I am comparing conference finals performances when both players are 29 years old. Seems pretty straightforward to me.

[chazzy]

People thought Cleveland were going to win against the Spurs and Magic? :wtf: They were heavy favorites to beat Orlando going in. They were cruising through the first 2 rounds and KG was injured. Were you watching the NBA at the time?

And why are people excusing his game 5 Wednesday? He put himself in position to be in foul trouble. It's not like he missed most of a game due to injury like '00 Kobe.

[LakersFan626]

Cool story, bro. Kobe missed the Playoffs in his prime. Had one of the WORST Game 7's for a "top 10 GOAT" and is an inefficient chucker, who more often than not gets bailed out by his teammates. You stan a dude who choked more times than any other all time great.

WOAT Finals performer. Which other top 15 player scored 15 PPG on sub 38% shooting in the Finals?

If the guy played on an EC team, he would have 1 ECF title at best. Probably the worst clutch performer in the league.

4th year LeBron is SO much better than 4th year Kobe in the Finals:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01/gamelog/2007/

Oh, wait. And Kobe is SO unclutch his game winners boosted the team from an 8th seed to the 1st seed and a championship in 2010.