Kobe 2003

[Jacks3]

30 PPG
7 RPG
6 APG
2.2 SPG
0.8 BPG
57.1% TS (adjusted for league average)
23 double-doubles
5 triple-doubles
20 40+ point games

Did it in the GOAT defensive era. :eek: :eek:

Easily better than Wade has ever been.

[riseagainst]

adjusted for league average?

Kobe stans will do anything to prop up this overrated chucker.

:roll:

[Jacks3]

adjusted for league average?

Kobe stans will do anything to prop up this overrated chucker.

:roll:
So it doesn't matter that the league-average TS% in 03 was much lower than it was 09?

:confusedshrug:

[Clyde]

30 PPG
7 RPG
6 APG
2.2 SPG
0.8 BPG
57.1% TS (adjusted for league average)
23 double-doubles
5 triple-doubles
20 40+ point games

Did it in the GOAT defensive era. :eek: :eek:

Easily better than Wade has ever been.

Not sure why anyone would argue this.....unless they were a hater, or stupid.

[Jameerthefear]

Wade>>>
Lebron>>>
Duncan>>>
OP is a headass

[Cocaine80s]

2009 wade>>> any version of Kobe

[Warfan]

None of Kobe seasons is easily better than Wade's peak. Kobe was a monster that year tho, 9 straight 40 point games :bowdown:

[atljonesbro]

Kobe stans have to be the least knowledgeable stans.

[Ne 1]

Nothing against Wade, but I'd agree. You can probably make a case for '09 Wade, but IMO Wade is a just a notch below prime Bryant. Actually, speaking of 2003 Kobe, 2003 T-Mac is better than any version of Wade IMO. Not only was he considerably more skilled, but he put up his numbers in a tougher defensive era.

T-Mac was the better offensive player. He scored more on equal efficiency, did a much better job taking care of the ball, and was a more naturally gifted passer. Wade is a slightly better play-maker due his quickness advantage, but that doesn't make up for all the areas T-Mac has him beat.

[atljonesbro]

Nothing against Wade, but I'd agree. You can probably make a case for '09 Wade, but IMO Wade is a just a notch below prime Bryant. Actually, 2003 T-Mac is better than any version of Wade IMO. Not only was he considerably more skilled, but he put up his numbers in a tougher defensive era.

T-Mac was the better offensive player though. He scored more on equal efficiency, did a much better job taking care of the ball, and was a more naturally gifted passer. Wade is a slightly better play-maker due his quickness advantage, but that doesn't make up for all the areas T-Mac has him beat.
Wade more efficient than both of them and a far better defender than both of them. Kobe being an elite defender is one of the biggest myths in NBA history, Wade was actually elite.

[FlashDwyaneWade3]

2009 wade>>> any version of Kobe
As a Wade fan, I disagree.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Wade more efficient than both of them and a far better defender than both of them. Kobe being an elite defender is one of the biggest myths in NBA history, Wade was actually elite.

Prime Kobe was such an elite lock down defender that he consistently made 1st teams over Wade based off his prime defensive reputation alone

Kobe has consistently been a great deader for a decade and makes D teams over wade because of it

Pick your poison, either way you slice it Kobe> Wade defensively.

Plus there are 2 guard spots on the all defensive teams, enough room for both Kobe & Wade.. It isn't just Kobe who's "holding wade down" from all defensive teams

[Rose'sACL]

So it doesn't matter that the league-average TS% in 03 was much lower than it was 09?

:confusedshrug:
it was lower because it was the "i want to be like MJ era". Everyone wanted to be like MJ while forgetting that MJ shot 50% from the field instead of low 40s.

[ArbitraryWater]

adjusted for league average???????

WHAT THE ****

[navy]

57.1% TS (adjusted for league average)

:roll:

[Levity]

Not sure why anyone would argue this.....unless they were a hater, or stupid.


Wade>>>
Lebron>>>
Duncan>>>
OP is a headass


2009 wade>>> any version of Kobe


If you call them, they will come

[Dresta]

:lol

OP is one of the biggest losers on this site, and that's saying something.

[ArbitraryWater]

Prime Kobe was such an elite lock down defender that he consistently made 1st teams over Wade based off his prime defensive reputation alone

Kobe has consistently been a great deader for a decade and makes D teams over wade because of it

Pick your poison, either way you slice it Kobe> Wade defensively.

Plus there are 2 guard spots on the all defensive teams, enough room for both Kobe & Wade.. It isn't just Kobe who's "holding wade down" from all defensive teams

http://www.miscupload.com/upload/78455095513815159892848.gif

[DonDadda59]

2003 T-Mac>2003 Bean.

[HOoopCityJones]

Kobe > Your Ton Ten.

[Deuce Bigalow]

http://www.miscupload.com/upload/78455095513815159892848.gif

http://i.imgur.com/t3MHnEY.gif

[Dresta]

Also, Kobe's 2003 season is overrated by looking at raw stats like OP. He played an unnecessary 42 mpg for some reason when he had prime Shaq on his team and they'd just won the last 3 titles, yet still managed only to win 50 games.

He later stunk things up in the playoffs, and against the Spurs chucked 50% MORE shots than Shaq, on much lower efficiency, as the Spurs won 4-2. Typical, and it happened again in 04.

Wade's 3rd NBA season was better than that by a distance. Regular season stats:

Kobe: 30/7/6 55TS% in 42mpg and PER of 26.2

Wade: 27/6/7 58TS% in 39mpg and PER of 27.6

Playoffs:

Kobe: 32/5/5 53TS% in 44mpg and PER of 22.2

Wade: 28/6/6 59TS% in 42mpg and PER of 27 on the way to a title and finals MVP.

3rd year Wade with old Shaq > 2003 Kobe with prime Shaq.

Unlucky Jacks.

[Rocketswin2013]

Also, Kobe's 2003 season is overrated by looking at raw stats like OP. He played an unnecessary 42 mpg for some reason when he had prime Shaq on his team and they'd just won the last 3 titles, yet still managed only to win 50 games.

He later stunk things up in the playoffs, and against the Spurs chucked 50% MORE shots than Shaq, on much lower efficiency, as the Spurs won 4-2. Typical, and it happened again in 04.

Wade's 3rd NBA season was better than that by a distance. Regular season stats:

Kobe: 30/7/6 55TS% in 42mpg and PER of 26.2

Wade: 27/6/7 58TS% in 39mpg and PER of 27.6

Playoffs:

Kobe: 32/5/5 53TS% in 44mpg and PER of 22.2

Wade: 28/6/6 59TS% in 42mpg and PER of 27 on the way to a title and finals MVP.

3rd year Wade with old Shaq > 2003 Kobe with prime Shaq.

Unlucky Jacks.

:lebronamazed:

[PickernRoller]

If you call them, they will come

This.

[atljonesbro]

Also, Kobe's 2003 season is overrated by looking at raw stats like OP. He played an unnecessary 42 mpg for some reason when he had prime Shaq on his team and they'd just won the last 3 titles, yet still managed only to win 50 games.

He later stunk things up in the playoffs, and against the Spurs chucked 50% MORE shots than Shaq, on much lower efficiency, as the Spurs won 4-2. Typical, and it happened again in 04.

Wade's 3rd NBA season was better than that by a distance. Regular season stats:

Kobe: 30/7/6 55TS% in 42mpg and PER of 26.2

Wade: 27/6/7 58TS% in 39mpg and PER of 27.6

Playoffs:

Kobe: 32/5/5 53TS% in 44mpg and PER of 22.2

Wade: 28/6/6 59TS% in 42mpg and PER of 27 on the way to a title and finals MVP.

3rd year Wade with old Shaq > 2003 Kobe with prime Shaq.

Unlucky Jacks.
RIP Kobetards. Wade >>>>

[PickernRoller]

2003 T-Mac>2003 Bean.

Not w/ the way Kobe torched him. T-Mac tried tho...

[crisoner]

really you kids are putting Wade over Kobe?

SMH

[atljonesbro]

really you kids are putting Wade over Kobe?

SMH
Yeah. How about you prove us wrong. Will be a difficult task as there is nearly nothing in Kobe's favor.

[fpliii]

HGHbe (doubt he was juicing but homie was huge :bowdown: :bowdown: )

[Droid101]

Yeah. How about you prove us wrong. Will be a difficult task as there is nearly nothing in Kobe's favor.
:roll:

[Deuce Bigalow]

HGHbe (doubt he was juicing but homie was huge :bowdown: :bowdown: )
We need pics brah

[AlphaWolf24]

This looks like fun...can I join in?

Wade: 1 season of 28+ ppg, 3 seasons of 5+ rpg, 6 seasons of 6+ apg but also 3 seasons of 4+ TO per game, and a 56.5 career TS%.

Kobe: 5 seasons of 28+ppg, 12 seasons of 5+ rpg, 8 seasons of 5+ apg with one 6+ (in the triangle) with only one season of 4+ TO, and a 55.7 career TS%.

Now for the playoffs:
Wade's top runs -
33/6/7 for 5 games
29/5/5 for 7 games
28/6/6 for 23 games
27/6/7 for 14 games

Kobe's top runs -
33/5/4 for 5 games
32/5/5 for 12 games
30/5/6 for 23 games
30/6/6 for 21 games
29/7/6 for 16 games
29/6/6 for 23 games
28/6/5 for 7 games
27/6/5 for 19 games

Kobe>Wade and it's not close....

am I doin it right?????

[Dresta]

really you kids are putting Wade over Kobe?

SMH
To win a game? Without a doubt. Kobe has had the better overall career though because of his longevity, and his luck in getting to play with the best player in the league at a time when he could've just been putting up T-Mac like 'empty stats' on another team.

If Gasol hadn't saved his arse in 10 i'd be forced to choose Wade even career wise though, because that would have been 3 potential titles that Kobe had shot his team out of by hijacking his team's offense for narcissistic reasons (03, 04, 10).

[Levity]

This looks like fun...can I join in?

Wade: 1 season of 28+ ppg, 3 seasons of 5+ rpg, 6 seasons of 6+ apg but also 3 seasons of 4+ TO per game, and a 56.5 career TS%.

Kobe: 5 seasons of 28+ppg, 12 seasons of 5+ rpg, 8 seasons of 5+ apg with one 6+ (in the triangle) with only one season of 4+ TO, and a 55.7 career TS%.

Now for the playoffs:
Wade's top runs -
33/6/7 for 5 games
29/5/5 for 7 games
28/6/6 for 23 games
27/6/7 for 14 games

Kobe's top runs -
33/5/4 for 5 games
32/5/5 for 12 games
30/5/6 for 23 games
30/6/6 for 21 games
29/7/6 for 16 games
29/6/6 for 23 games
28/6/5 for 7 games
27/6/5 for 19 games

Kobe>Wade and it's not close....

am I doin it right?????

love me some alphawolf. yes suspect. yes homo.

[fpliii]

We need pics brah
On my phone so it'll be tough to look ATM, but I remember this one picture where he's next to Wizards MJ and is double his size. :eek:

He was like 230 or 235 that year.

[Dresta]

This looks like fun...can I join in?

Wade: 1 season of 28+ ppg, 3 seasons of 5+ rpg, 6 seasons of 6+ apg but also 3 seasons of 4+ TO per game, and a 56.5 career TS%.

Kobe: 5 seasons of 28+ppg, 12 seasons of 5+ rpg, 8 seasons of 5+ apg with one 6+ (in the triangle) with only one season of 4+ TO, and a 55.7 career TS%.

Now for the playoffs:
Wade's top runs -
33/6/7 for 5 games
29/5/5 for 7 games
28/6/6 for 23 games
27/6/7 for 14 games

Kobe's top runs -
33/5/4 for 5 games
32/5/5 for 12 games
30/5/6 for 23 games
30/6/6 for 21 games
29/7/6 for 16 games
29/6/6 for 23 games
28/6/5 for 7 games
27/6/5 for 19 games

Kobe>Wade and it's not close....

am I doin it right?????Arbitrarily chosen stats are arbitrary. We were comparing single seasons and here you are comparing career raw totals :facepalm

You're doing it very wrong. 32/5/5 doesn't mean very much when you shoot your team out of the series in the process now does it? Posting raw stats doesn't account for things like when Miami were 2-1 down in that Indiana series in 2012, and Bosh was injured, and people were counting the Heat out, he put up 30/9/6 on 13-23 in game 4, 28/3/2 on 10-17 in game 5, and 41/10/3 on 17-25 shooting (Kobe almost never seems to have big games on this kind of efficiency) in game 6 as Miami won 4-2.

Compare Kobe in a similar position: 2-1 against the Spurs in 2003. Game 4: 35/7/3 10-24, Game 5: 36/7/6 on 15-31, Game 6: 20/2/6 on 9-19 with 7 TO's as well.

That's the difference between the two: Wade when he's healthy always seems to come through, but when things are going against Kobe he tends to shoot your team out of the game

[Deuce Bigalow]

To win a game? Without a doubt. Kobe has had the better overall career though because of his longevity, and his luck in getting to play with the best player in the league at a time when he could've just been putting up T-Mac like 'empty stats' on another team.

If Gasol hadn't saved his arse in 10 i'd be forced to choose Wade even career wise though, because that would have been 3 potential titles that Kobe had shot his team out of by hijacking his team's offense for narcissistic reasons (03, 04, 10).
Lakers as a team shot 32.5% in game 7. Kobe grabbed 15 rebounds and went to the line 15 times.

He averaged 29/6/6 on 57%TS/51%eFG during the entire 2010 Playoffs and 29/8/4 on 53%TS/45%eFG% in the Finals and 34/7/8 on 64%TS/59%eFG in the WCF.

Carried or saved my ass.

[AlphaWolf24]

Arbitrarily chosen stats are arbitrary. We were comparing single seasons and here you are comparing career raw totals :facepalm

You're doing it very wrong. 32/5/5 doesn't mean very much when you shoot your team out of the series in the process now does it?


where have you been?....it's 2014

winning or Losing doesn't matter anymore....it comes down to non "team" accomplishments....( which happen to only be ISO situations on offense and defense)


Kobe was clearly the better ISO offensive player....in ISO scenario's...and Kobe was clearly the better ISO defender ( hello all defensive NBA)

eye test and years of ISO scoring and ISO defensive assignments...


Kobe> Wade and it's not close.



next

[Dresta]

Lakers as a team shot 32.5% in game 7. Kobe grabbed 15 rebounds and went to the line 15 times.

He averaged 29/6/6 on 57%TS/51%eFG during the entire 2010 Playoffs and 29/8/4 on 53%TS/45%eFG% in the Finals and 34/7/8 on 64%TS/59%eFG om the WCF.
6-24 in game 7.

Next.

[Dresta]

where have you been?....it's 2014

winning or Losing doesn't matter anymore....it comes down to non "team" accomplishments....( which happen to only be ISO situations on offense and defense)


Kobe was clearly the better ISO offensive player....in ISO scenario's...and Kobe was clearly the better ISO defender ( hello all defensive NBA)

eye test and years of ISO scoring and ISO defensive assignments...


Kobe> Wade and it's not close.



next
I can't understand whatever language it is you are writing in, sorry.

[Deuce Bigalow]

6-24 in game 7.

Next.
23 points, 10 in the 4th quarter
15 rebounds
11-15 FT

29/8/4 53%TS for the series
29/6/6 57%ST for the playoffs

Next.

[fpliii]

We need pics brah
This isn't the one I was talking about, but gets the point across :applause: :

http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/hi-res-1911292_crop_exact-1024x932.jpg

[Deuce Bigalow]

Buffbe

[ArbitraryWater]

This looks like fun...can I join in?

Wade: 1 season of 28+ ppg, 3 seasons of 5+ rpg, 6 seasons of 6+ apg but also 3 seasons of 4+ TO per game, and a 56.5 career TS%.

Kobe: 5 seasons of 28+ppg, 12 seasons of 5+ rpg, 8 seasons of 5+ apg with one 6+ (in the triangle) with only one season of 4+ TO, and a 55.7 career TS%.

Now for the playoffs:
Wade's top runs -
33/6/7 for 5 games
29/5/5 for 7 games
28/6/6 for 23 games
27/6/7 for 14 games

Kobe's top runs -
33/5/4 for 5 games
32/5/5 for 12 games
30/5/6 for 23 games
30/6/6 for 21 games
29/7/6 for 16 games
29/6/6 for 23 games
28/6/5 for 7 games
27/6/5 for 19 games

Kobe>Wade and it's not close....

am I doin it right?????


... arbitrary is arbitrary...

ever heard of efficieny?

[fpliii]

InTheBuffbe
http://theatozshow.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/pic1_kobe_bryant_naked_001.jpg
:applause:

[DFish24]

Jordan>Kobe>West>Wade

[Cold soul]

Jordan>Kobe>West>Wade

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[fpliii]

Kobe>Jordan>West>Wade
:applause:

[Rocketswin2013]

The disrespect for Dwyane Wade.

[Deuce Bigalow]

http://theatozshow.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/pic1_kobe_bryant_naked_001.jpg
:applause:
http://www.grafxhq.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/kobebryantshirtless1.jpg

http://www.grafxhq.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/kobe-bryant-shirtless.jpg

http://www.grafxhq.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/kbryant.jpg

Cantswimbe?

[fpliii]

Cantswimbe?
Nah, Swimminginpussbe.:rockon: Remember the Olympics?

http://www.sportsgrid.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/0727-kobe-bryant-girls-1-tmz-wm-3.jpg
http://www.whatsonshenzhen.com/news_images/a7b2ea6090e0ca3226b44dc0_Kobe%20Bryant%20and%20Ste ph%20Rice.jpg
http://www.unsportsmanlike.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/kobe-bryant-is-with-stephanie-rice-and-michelle-obama.jpg























































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[Ne 1]

What's funny is that prime Kobe was more athletic than Wade, and had a much, much better skill-set. That's why he's still been great late into his career despite losing about 3 steps compared to his prime ('01-'09).

[fpliii]

really dude?
lol no, just having fun here. MJ is the GOAT 2 guard and Wade can be argued as having an equal or better peak than Kobe (I won't compare the two, like both). Kobe is possibly the most skilled offensive player ever (up there with Bird).

[Micku]

I personally liked 2001 Frobe more than 2003 Kobe, but 03 Kobe was a beast. That's when the gap closed a bit with who is the best on the team with Shaq and Kobe.


What's funny is that prime Kobe was more athletic than Wade, and had a much, much better skill-set. That's why he's still been great late into his career despite losing about 3 steps compared to his prime ('01-'09).

I don't think he was more athletic than Wade, but Kobe had a better skill set on the offensive end with this footwork, post game, and jump shot since he was like 20 or something. Kobe just had bad shot selection. Always had trouble with that.

[fpliii]

I personally liked 2001 Frobe more than 2003 Kobe, but 03 Kobe was a beast. That's when the gap closed a bit with who is the best on the team with Shaq and Kobe.
01 Kobe was more consistent defensively, and didn't have the off-the-court shit to worry about (though the Shaq-Kobe feud was pretty bad that year).

In 03 though, they ran the offense through Kobe a lot more though, so he was automatically more impressive on that end IMO.

[Kblaze8855]

57.1% TS (adjusted for league average)

Please....

[eliteballer]

Kobe was more athletic than Wade:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvWy9liwC7U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-tXvMriU0Y

[Young X]

Kobe was more athletic than Wade:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvWy9liwC7U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-tXvMriU0YAll this proves is that Kobe has better dunks.

Show me a more explosive drive to the rim than this in terms of quickness: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Oq__IYL-e8

[Kblaze8855]

Wade on Laettner, Sideshow Bob, and Perkins are all right up there with Kobes top dunks. Id say his most athletic looking dunks are the one hand reverses he used to do in traffic. One vs the Twolves in 04 is one of the most underrated dunks ever to me.

But Kobe made a lot of pretty looking dunks that didnt require much in the way of leaping ability or physicality. His aggression set him apart.

He wasnt really more athletic than Wade. Similar level.

[eliteballer]

All this proves is that Kobe has better dunks.

Show me a more explosive drive to the rim than this in terms of quickness: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Oq__IYL-e8

Watch that 2nd video too...you see some of the layups/body control Kobe could do.

Keep in mind Wade uses a lot of screens to help get a step on his defender.

Here's 3 clips that show Kobe's quickness:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lle3rUNH0_U&t=9m36s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcOSJhH9tm8&t=3m28s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnuTM0kpcek&t=0m02s

[Ne 1]

01 Kobe was more consistent defensively, and didn't have the off-the-court shit to worry about (though the Shaq-Kobe feud was pretty bad that year).

In 03 though, they ran the offense through Kobe a lot more though, so he was automatically more impressive on that end IMO.
He was awesome in '01, but even back then, I felt like '03 was the best year of his career at that point. He clearly expanded his skill-set and became a legit 3-point shooter in addition to showing more craftiness... Also added strength too, him and T-Mac were almost identical that year.

[fpliii]

He was awesome in '01, but even back then, I felt like '03 was the best year of his career at that point. He clearly expanded his skill-set and became a legit 3-point shooter in addition to showing more craftiness... Also added strength too, him and T-Mac were almost identical that year.
How much do you think he weighed? I think 230 or 235 was thrown out, but he looked huge. Maybe a bit more.

[Dave3]

57.1% TS (adjusted for league average)

Did it in the GOAT defensive era. :eek: :eek:

You adjust his percentages, then talk about how he did it in a specific era. If you're going to pre adjust his shooting percentage based on era, you can't then go on to say "...and he did it in that era"

Honestly, it would've looked a lot better if you put 55% TS% (which is fine) rather than 57% and add "adjusted" - that makes it look more sketch.

[eliteballer]

He added too much weight. His jumper was off in the beginning of the season and it took him a while to adjust his speed/explosiveness. Not to mention it ws directly responsible for his knee injury he had to go to colorado for.

[fpliii]

He added too much weight. His jumper was off in the beginning of the season and it took him a while to adjust his speed/explosiveness. Not to mention it ws directly responsible for his knee injury he had to go to colorado for.
Maybe, but he lost too much weight the following offseason.

He got huge again in 04-05.

[Ne 1]

How much do you think he weighed? I think 230 or 235 was thrown out, but he looked huge. Maybe a bit more.
This is what I found: From 2000-2002, Kobe weighed in at a solid 210 pounds. After the 2002 Finals, Kobe hit the weight room and gained 15 pounds of pure muscle to reach 225 pounds. Kobe's vertical also seemed to have improved this season despite the extra weight (maybe his legs were a lot stronger?). His lateral quickness, explosiveness, and speed were in prime condition this season, and probably the best of his career. His endurance and durability improved over the last season as well. Kobe's Vertical, Strength, Quickness, Endurance, Explosiveness, and Speed all peaked this season. Sadly Kobe would never reach this level of athleticism ever again for the rest of his career.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Have said this about a million times now.. But 09' Wade is better than ANY version of Kobe. More efficient, productive and a greater athlete.

That version of Wade also had an ELITE mid-range game..

[fpliii]

This is what I found: From 2000-2002, Kobe weighed in at a solid 210 pounds. After the 2002 Finals, Kobe hit the weight room and gained 15 pounds of pure muscle to reach 225 pounds. Kobe's vertical also seemed to have improved this season despite the extra weight (maybe his legs were a lot stronger?). His lateral quickness, explosiveness, and speed were in prime condition this season, and probably the best of his career. His endurance and durability improved over the last season as well. Kobe's Vertical, Strength, Quickness, Endurance, Explosiveness, and Speed all peaked this season. Sadly Kobe would never reach this level of athleticism ever again for the rest of his career.
Good stuff, thanks.

Anything on 04-05? He got big that season too. Also, how much did he put on after starting up with Grover (summer 07 I believe)?

[TheNaturalWR]

This is what I found: From 2000-2002, Kobe weighed in at a solid 210 pounds. After the 2002 Finals, Kobe hit the weight room and gained 15 pounds of pure muscle to reach 225 pounds. Kobe's vertical also seemed to have improved this season despite the extra weight (maybe his legs were a lot stronger?). His lateral quickness, explosiveness, and speed were in prime condition this season, and probably the best of his career. His endurance and durability improved over the last season as well. Kobe's Vertical, Strength, Quickness, Endurance, Explosiveness, and Speed all peaked this season. Sadly Kobe would never reach this level of athleticism ever again for the rest of his career.

lol @ you thinking Kobe gained 15 pounds of pure muscle.....If you know anything, you would know that is pretty ****ing hard to do/close to impossible without gear. You guys do know that 6'5 225 lean is basically the equivalent to Andre Johnson and Calvin Johnson of the NFL right? And they DWARF Kobe in terms of overall mass.

[eliteballer]

That version of Wade also had an ELITE mid-range game..

:oldlol: Why don't you check the actual numbers on that...hoopdata.com

[eliteballer]

Maybe, but he lost too much weight the following offseason.

He got huge again in 04-05.


That's because he had two surgeries in the offseason(knee/shoulder) and the Colorado stuff messed up his conditioning program.

[fpliii]

That's because he had two surgeries in the offseason(knee/shoulder) and the Colorado stuff messed up his conditioning program.
Yeah. He looked brutal at the beginning of the season, unhealthy even at times. :facepalm

[TheNaturalWR]

:oldlol: Why don't you check the actual numbers on that...hoopdata.com

Uhm, he shot 42% from 16-23 feet which is the same as Kobe's highest percentage from that distance in any season of his career....But you idiots would call Kobe an elite mid range shooter in a heartbeat. :facepalm

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

:oldlol: Why don't you check the actual numbers on that...hoopdata.com

:confusedshrug:

45% from 10-16 feet and 41% from 16 feet and out. Those are basically Kobe's career averages from the same distance..

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Uhm, he shot 42% from 16-23 feet which is the same as Kobe's highest percentage from that distance in any season of his career....But you idiots would call Kobe an elite mid range shooter in a heartbeat. :facepalm

The greatest myth in modern NBA history, is that Kobe is a better player than DWade. Nobody sane would argue about their careers.. Kobe is a borderline top 10 player ALL TIME..

Their in-game impact though? As players? Nothing separates them. Wade had the better peak, equal prime and worse longevity.

[Ne 1]

More on '03 Kobe: Kobe's combined lateral quickness and strength made this Kobe's best individual season as a defender. He rose from (2002)All-Defensive 2nd Team to (2003)All-Defensive 1st-Team. He had career highs(still career highs) in steals per game, total steals, and total blocks. In addition, his strength made him a far more effective post-defender. On the perimeter, almost every single player in the league was having a hard time getting by him.
Kobe's Endurance and Durability Improved tremendously this season as well. Career highs(still career highs) in minutes played and minutes per game. For the first time in his career, Kobe played all 82 games during the regular season this year. With Shaq struggling with injures, Kobe Bryant became a legitimate Triple-Double Threat every night for the First Half of the Season:
Kobe's Vertical had peaked this season. As mentioned earlier, he had more total blocks this season than any other season. His vertical and strength also allowed him to have career highs in rebounds and rebounds per game for his career. Lastly, he had his most impressive "dunking" year this season. Kobe dunked on Yao this season. He had 2 baseline reverse windmill dunks this season. One over Kevin Garnett and the other on Latrell Sprewell. He had a behind-the-back 360 dunk. He had multiple dunks where he was jumping behind the dotted line. He iced a game with a 360 dunk while being guarded by Jason Williams in Memphis as the last bucket of the game. There were just so many memorable dunks from this season that show up in a bunch of highlight reels for Kobe's career.
Kobe's first step this season did not take a seat back. He was just as explosive and quick as he was in 2001 and 2002 this season. In fact, he was probably faster due to his improvements to his already stellar defense.
Kobe was the best 2-way perimeter player in the league this season. There were perimieter players who were arguably just as good or better on offense (Tracy Mcgrady). There were perimeter players who were as good or better on defense (Bruce Bowen). But as a 2-way perimeter player, no one was better than Kobe Bryant.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

More on '03 Kobe: Kobe's combined lateral quickness and strength made this Kobe's best individual season as a defender. He rose from (2002)All-Defensive 2nd Team to (2003)All-Defensive 1st-Team. He had career highs(still career highs) in steals per game, total steals, and total blocks. In addition, his strength made him a far more effective post-defender. On the perimeter, almost every single player in the league was having a hard time getting by him.
Kobe's Endurance and Durability Improved tremendously this season as well. Career highs(still career highs) in minutes played and minutes per game. For the first time in his career, Kobe played all 82 games during the regular season this year. With Shaq struggling with injures, Kobe Bryant became a legitimate Triple-Double Threat every night for the First Half of the Season:
Kobe's Vertical had peaked this season. As mentioned earlier, he had more total blocks this season than any other season. His vertical and strength also allowed him to have career highs in rebounds and rebounds per game for his career. Lastly, he had his most impressive "dunking" year this season. Kobe dunked on Yao this season. He had 2 baseline reverse windmill dunks this season. One over Kevin Garnett and the other on Latrell Sprewell. He had a behind-the-back 360 dunk. He had multiple dunks where he was jumping behind the dotted line. He iced a game with a 360 dunk while being guarded by Jason Williams in Memphis as the last bucket of the game. There were just so many memorable dunks from this season that show up in a bunch of highlight reels for Kobe's career.
Kobe's first step this season did not take a seat back. He was just as explosive and quick as he was in 2001 and 2002 this season. In fact, he was probably faster due to his improvements to his already stellar defense.
Kobe was the best 2-way perimeter player in the league this season. There were perimieter players who were arguably just as good or better on offense (Tracy Mcgrady). There were perimeter players who were as good or better on defense (Bruce Bowen). But as a 2-way perimeter player, no one was better than Kobe Bryant.

You gonna give Laronprofit credit for this post?

http://207.58.151.151/forum/showthread.php?t=194820

[dubeta]

Anytime Kobe stans try and use stats just counter with PER and suddenly they run and hide

[Dresta]

What's funny is that prime Kobe was more athletic than Wade, and had a much, much better skill-set. That's why he's still been great late into his career despite losing about 3 steps compared to his prime ('01-'09).
So Kobe is bigger than Wade, more skilled than Wade, AND more athletic than Wade, but for some unknown reason Wade has always been a good deal better than Kobe at finishing around the basket.

You make no sense.

[AintNoSunshine]

Size of my dikk:

11 inches in length (adjusted by your mom's opinion)

3 inches in girth(adjusted by your mom's opinion)

Hardness of steel(adjusted by your mom's opinion)

Erection time 10 hrs(adjusted by your mom's opinion)

[Deuce Bigalow]

The greatest myth in modern NBA history, is that Kobe is a better player than DWade. Nobody sane would argue about their careers.. Kobe is a borderline top 10 player ALL TIME..

Their in-game impact though? As players? Nothing separates them. Wade had the better peak, equal prime and worse longevity.
A myth as equal as Magic and Bird being better than Chuck and Dirk. In-game impact? Check the stats. Chuck and Dirk are greater than Magic and Bird ever were.