The 38 year old putting in work.

[1987_Lakers]

Duncan: 22 points (8-13 shooting), 12 rebounds in only 30 minutes of play in a pivotal playoff game.:applause:

Seriously what were Shaq & Hakeem doing at that age? Shaq was broken down and could barley run, Hakeem had injury problems and looked average, Russell and Chamberlain at 38 were already out of the league. KG this year at 37 looked like a scrub. Duncan at 38 is arguably the best player on a championship caliber team.

Can't believe how Duncan was disrespecting around here after game 4.

[SHAQisGOAT]

:applause:

Only a player like Karl Malone can **** with that type of longevity, and only Kareem can say he's "above".

[ihatetimthomas]

Popovich deserves a lot of credit for prolonging his longevity. He started cutting his minutes in his early 30's and it has paid off big for him. He doesn't have the wear and tear Shaq or KG had. KG is among the all time leaders in minutes played. They played high minutes for as long as they could and that broke their bodies down.

[oarabbus]

:applause:

Only a player like Karl Malone can **** with that type of longevity, and only Kareem can say he's "above".

:bowdown: :bowdown:

[zoom17]

Kobe stans disrespect Duncan the most.

[T_L_P]

Popovich deserves a lot of credit for prolonging his longevity. He started cutting his minutes in his early 30's and it has paid off big for him. He doesn't have the wear and tear Shaq or KG had. KG is among the all time leaders in minutes played. They played high minutes for as long as they could and that broke their bodies down.

Regular season minutes:

Garnett, 48910
Duncan, 43605
Shaq, 41166

Playoff minutes:

Duncan, 8668
Shaq, 8086
Garnett, 5283

Total minutes:

Garnett, 54148
Duncan, 52273
Shaq, 49252

Considering Duncan played 3000 more Playoff minutes, I'd say he has as much wear and tear (you know what they, Playoff games are about as exhausting as three regular season games).

:confusedshrug:

[1987_Lakers]

After 2008 it looked like KG would finish his career on a higher note than Duncan and have the longevity edge. The opposite happened, everyone thought Duncan was done after 2011.

[chris02jammers]

They are the Zombie Spurs, they kept on coming back even though People cross them out every year... They continue to crawl in the top of the standings

[DonDadda59]

Duncan: 22 points (8-13 shooting), 12 rebounds in only 30 minutes of play in a pivotal playoff game.:applause:

Seriously what were Shaq & Hakeem doing at that age? Shaq was broken down and could barley run, Hakeem had injury problems and looked average, Russell and Chamberlain at 38 were already out of the league. KG this year at 37 looked like a scrub. Duncan at 38 is arguably the best player on a championship caliber team.

Can't believe how Duncan was disrespecting around here after game 4.

Watching KG 'play ball' this year was absolutely cringe worthy, especially after having witnessed his monstrous peak years. I really hope he retires. He has his ring, no need to chase more.

[Carbine]

Regular season minutes:

Garnett, 48910
Duncan, 43605
Shaq, 41166

Playoff minutes:

Duncan, 8668
Shaq, 8086
Garnett, 5283

Total minutes:

Garnett, 54148
Duncan, 52273
Shaq, 49252

Considering Duncan played 3000 more Playoff minutes, I'd say he has as much wear and tear (you know what they, Playoff games are about as exhausting as three regular season games).

:confusedshrug:

Yup. Guy who you quoted didn't do his homework before talking out of his ass.

[1987_Lakers]

Popovich deserves a lot of credit for prolonging his longevity. He started cutting his minutes in his early 30's and it has paid off big for him. He doesn't have the wear and tear Shaq or KG had. KG is among the all time leaders in minutes played. They played high minutes for as long as they could and that broke their bodies down.

KG's minutes were also cut once he joined Boston, he was only a 30-32 MPG player from 2008-2013.

[chris02jammers]

Pop knows that Regular Season is not that important...

Duncan has the most minutes of the three because Spurs most of the time have a deep Playoffs run

[Just2McFly]

Considering Duncan played 3000 more Playoff minutes, I'd say he has as much wear and tear (you know what they, Playoff games are about as exhausting as three regular season games).

:confusedshrug:

Is this serious?:roll: :roll: :roll:


Yup. Guy who you quoted didn't do his homework before talking out of his ass.
Talking out of his what? He's still right.:oldlol: :oldlol:

[Roundball_Rock]

Good point but it is worth noting Shaq was an all-star as late as age 36. People underrate his longevity. His peak was from 2000-2002 but he remained a strong MVP candidate in 2005, was a top 10 player and the best player at his position while winning a championship in 2006 and was an all-star in 2007 and 2009.

[T_L_P]

Is this serious?:roll: :roll: :roll:


Talking out of his what? He's still right.:oldlol: :oldlol:

Of course it is. I'm not sure if you're being serious right now? Better teams, more intensity, more physical defense (because the games matter more).

Even if that weren't true, Duncan still would have only played 2000 less minutes, in one less season of play.

They've gone through about as much wear and tear as each other.

[ihatetimthomas]

KG's minutes were also cut once he joined Boston, he was only a 30-32 MPG player from 2008-2013.

But he came in the league out of high school and played well more minutes before that. Duncan's minutes actually started to decrease when he was 28.

[ProfessorMurder]

Of course it is. I'm not sure if you're being serious right now? Better teams, more intensity, more physical defense (because the games matter more).

Even if that weren't true, Duncan still would have only played 2000 less minutes, in one less season of play.

They've gone through about as much wear and tear as each other.


ISH where emotional tolls = physical tolls.

[T_L_P]

ISH where emotional tolls = physical tolls.
Stop acting like that's all I said. Tougher defense and better teams in the Playoffs is unquestionably a bigger physical toll.

[Anaximandro1]

Duncan: 22 points (8-13 shooting), 12 rebounds in only 30 minutes of play in a pivotal playoff game.:applause:
Duncan is a shadow of his former self, but he's going to compete until his very last day.

2013 NBA Finals

G6 -> 30 pt , 17 rb

G7 -> 24 pt, 12 rb, 4 stl, 2as, 1 rb

2014 WC Finals

G1 -> 27 pt, 7 rb, 3as

G5 -> 22 pt, 12 rb, 2as, 1 blk



Duncan at 38 is arguably the best player on a championship caliber team.
Duncan is still the best player on his team, unfortunately :(

That's why I feel uncomfortable when they face OKC, Heat , etc.



Can't believe how Duncan was disrespecting around here after game 4.
headless chickens ...

[Round Mound]

2nd Best Player of the 00s

He Has Been Playing Center for Like The Last 7 Years or so. Could He Actually Be The Best Center in the League? Or Maybe 2nd Best After Dwight?

[pastis]

it was a good game by dunancan, but seriously: if you watched the game, you can clearly see, that nearly all his points are easy layups or open jumpers from 5-8 feet due to nice assists and ball movement. i mean, you cant compare that to other players (franchise players) who have to go at 36 years old still on the 1n1 iso play for the hard earnd points.

and his defense: once again, he just stands near/under the rim and is trying to stop the big man, i just dont see any all-time defense or all-nba defense and im watching spurs since 05.
if duncan had another all-nba or all-defense playing style before 05 - ok, i didnt really watched, but im watching him since 05 and i really cant figure it out what is so good on his defense.
I wished popovic would have put duncan on dirk, cause nearly every time when he try to guard dirk since years, dirk can score so easy. but popovic is too smart.

duncans playing minutes are reduced sinc ehis mvp year, so compare this to minutes from dirk or bryant. ridiculous how he can rest. dirk and bryant also had often to play in the summer in FIBA tournaments (espacially dirk, cause he is the only man in the german national team and had and has to play several minutes, kobe is just one among other greats in the usa national team).


so form an objective point of view: where was the tough point duncan had? or the tough rebound? he had solid numbers, but once again: overrating easy layups and mediocore "in-front-therim" defense.

[bdreason]

Duncan and Kareem are in their own category.

[pastis]

Duncan is a shadow of his former self, but he's going to compete until his very last day.

2013 NBA Finals

G6 -> 30 pt , 17 rb

G7 -> 24 pt, 12 rb, 4 stl, 2as, 1 rb

2014 WC Finals

G1 -> 27 pt, 7 rb, 3as

G5 -> 22 pt, 12 rb, 2as, 1 blk



Duncan is still the best player on his team, unfortunately :(

That's why I feel uncomfortable when they face OKC, Heat , etc.


headless chickens ...

:facepalm :facepalm :biggums: :biggums:

another thing i dont understand by duncan stans: so when he is putting up solid numbers = best player on the team
when is playing poor = no criticisim (and overall he is palying poor at least since 08)

so what is the matter to put up this numers in an NBA final or WCF when the opponents defense is not focused on you? when your team is supers stacked and have multiple weapons for destroying the enemy? what is so nice on these numbers, when you havent to put the franchise and team on your shoulders and facing every fvcing game in the RS and playoffs ridiculous tough defense created only against you? if havent to face this (like duncan), these numbers are solid, but once again: overrated by his stans.

[1987_Lakers]

:facepalm :facepalm :biggums: :biggums:

another thing i dont understand by duncan stans: so when he is putting up solid numbers = best player on the team
when is playing poor = no criticisim (and overall he is palying poor at least since 08)

so what is the matter to put up this numers in an NBA final or WCF when the opponents defense is not focused on you? when your team is supers stacked and have multiple weapons for destroying the enemy? what is so nice on these numbers, when you havent to put the franchise and team on your shoulders and facing every fvcing game in the RS and playoffs ridiculous tough defense created only against you? if havent to face this (like duncan), these numbers are solid, but once again: overrated by his stans.

God, what a hater.:oldlol:

Can't even give a living legend who is playing very good on his last legs credit.

[LAZERUSS]

Duncan: 22 points (8-13 shooting), 12 rebounds in only 30 minutes of play in a pivotal playoff game.:applause:

Seriously what were Shaq & Hakeem doing at that age? Shaq was broken down and could barley run, Hakeem had injury problems and looked average, Russell and Chamberlain at 38 were already out of the league. KG this year at 37 looked like a scrub. Duncan at 38 is arguably the best player on a championship caliber team.

Can't believe how Duncan was disrespecting around here after game 4.

We'll never know what Chamberlain would have been doing at age 38. In his last NBA season, at age 36, he finished 4th in the MVP balloting; was playing 43 mpg; led the NBA by a solid margin in rebounding; was voted First Team All-Defense; averaged 5.4 bpg; set an all-time FG% mark of .727; led his team to a 60-22 record, and a trip to the Finals; averaged 47.1 mpg in his 17 post-season games; and averaged 22.5 rpg in those 17 games, in an NBA post-season that averaged 50.6 rpg, per team.

In that last season, he battled a peak Kareem in six regular games, and held him to a .450 FG% (while shooting .737 himself); averaged 20 ppg on...get this... an .836 FG% against 6-11 HOFer Bob Lanier in their H2H's; and in his very last NBA game, and against HOFer Willis Reed, he put up a 23 point, 9-16 shooting, 21 rebound game.

He always kept himself in great shape, and was still getting LEGITIMATE offers to play in the NBA even up to age 50.

[Big#50]

We'll never know what Chamberlain would have been doing at age 38. In his last NBA season, at age 36, he finished 4th in the MVP balloting; was playing 43 mpg; led the NBA by a solid margin in rebounding; was voted First Team All-Defense; averaged 5.4 bpg; set an all-time FG% mark of .727; led his team to a 60-22 record, and a trip to the Finals; averaged 47.1 mpg in his 17 post-season games; and averaged 22.5 rpg in those 17 games, in an NBA post-season that averaged 50.6 rpg, per team.

In that last season, he battled a peak Kareem in six regular games, and held him to a .450 FG% (while shooting .737 himself); averaged 20 ppg on...get this... an .836 FG% against 6-11 HOFer Bob Lanier in their H2H's; and in his very last NBA game, and against HOFer Willis Reed, he put up a 23 point, 9-16 shooting, 21 rebound game.

He always kept himself in great shape, and was still getting LEGITIMATE offers to play in the NBA even up to age 50.

Mother****er was in sick shape. How the **** did he die of heart failure? He was only 63 too. Always wondered that.

[buddha]

I wouldn't be surprised if Duncan played till he was 40 like KAJ

[Artillery]

Duncan is still the best player on his team, unfortunately :(

That's why I feel uncomfortable when they face OKC, Heat , etc.

Tony Parker is such a shitty player. He's supposed to be leading the Spurs the last couple years(youngest star on the team) and he's done nothing but choke in all the big games.

2013 Finals game 6: shot 6-24
2013 Finals game 7: shot 3-12

Crappy against Dallas in the playoffs this year too(except for game 7). Not looking too good against the Thunder either. Westbrook is dominating him every night.

[bukowski81]

Tony Parker is such a shitty player. He's supposed to be leading the Spurs the last couple years(youngest star on the team) and he's done nothing but choke in all the big games.

2013 Finals game 6: shot 6-24
2013 Finals game 7: shot 3-12

Crappy against Dallas in the playoffs this year too(except for game 7). Not looking too good against the Thunder either. Westbrook is dominating him every night.

Come on, Parker is great. He is a bit inconsistent but overall he has more great performances than shitty ones.

[Artillery]

Come on, Parker is great. He is a bit inconsistent but overall he has more great performances than shitty ones.

Parker's playoff numbers this year:

16.6 PER
.058 WS/48
.527 TS%
101 ORtg

Not exactly superstar numbers there.

Then there's this fact posted on Spurstalk the other day:

In playoff history, of players that have participated in 10 or more playoff games during their run, the only players with a comparable usage rate that have played as poorly as 2014 Parker are 1983 Andrew Toney and 2000 Allen Iverson

[annbafan]

Duncan and Kareem are in their own category.

how about Karl Malone?

[East_Stone_Ya]

simply amazing :bowdown:

[T_L_P]

:facepalm :facepalm :biggums: :biggums:

another thing i dont understand by duncan stans: so when he is putting up solid numbers = best player on the team
when is playing poor = no criticisim (and overall he is palying poor at least since 08)

so what is the matter to put up this numers in an NBA final or WCF when the opponents defense is not focused on you? when your team is supers stacked and have multiple weapons for destroying the enemy? what is so nice on these numbers, when you havent to put the franchise and team on your shoulders and facing every fvcing game in the RS and playoffs ridiculous tough defense created only against you? if havent to face this (like duncan), these numbers are solid, but once again: overrated by his stans.

Duncan since '08: 18 / 10.5 / 2.5 / 0.7 / 1.8

Yeah, he's been piss poor.

Just shut the **** up dude. It's so boring now. We get it: Duncan, top 700 if Manu and Parker and Pop (weren't there). Ez baskets, overrated defense, legayc savef. Bla bla bla.

[ArbitraryWater]

Honestly, last night didn't show me anything... it was amazing how much he fed off ginobili/parker, the penetration and such... this has been the case for quite some time. You could put an above-average PF/C in his spot, he'd probably give you similar production.

[BruceLeeBowen]

Annnd duncans teammate getting shafted again. you see lots of Kobe, durant, lebron getting carried by their teammate bs.

If you watch the game instead of the boxscore. You'll see how many easy layups he got thanks to parker and ginobili drawing the defense away from him. Gregg Papabitch is a great coach. If we ignore that he encourages cheating, he's a great coach.

[GimmeThat]

If the Spurs lose, it's because the Heat put Pop out of his comfort zone in terms of minutes. Meeeeenats Sir.


- Lebron goes Larry Bird style "Why isn't the big fundamental on the court playing against me? what is this, some American BS? I want the guy from States Virgin Islands. This is just disrespectful"

[T_L_P]

Honestly, last night didn't show me anything... it was amazing how much he fed off ginobili/parker, the penetration and such... this has been the case for quite some time. You could put an above-average PF/C in his spot, he'd probably give you similar production.

Eh, I was more impressed with Duncan on the defensive end last night. He grabbed some really tough rebounds, blocked a couple of transition shots, and he was rotating much better than he usually does.

And he had a couple of post fadeaways and mid-range shots last night too.

Anyway you slice, he had a great game for a 38-year-old.

But it's not like his role is to stand under the basket for easy layups. And besides, Duncan's screen setting (along with the ball movement) is what leads to those baskets. An average PF/C doesn't set good enough screens to roll to the basket properly.

[ArbitraryWater]

Eh, I was more impressed with Duncan on the defensive end last night. He grabbed some really tough rebounds, blocked a couple of transition shots, and he was rotating much better than he usually does.

And he had a couple of post fadeaways and mid-range shots last night too.

Anyway you slice, he had a great game for a 38-year-old.

But it's not like his role is to stand under the basket for easy layups. And besides, Duncan's screen setting (along with the ball movement) is what leads to those baskets. An average PF/C doesn't set good enough screens to roll to the basket properly.

Yeah, the Defense/Rebounding impresses me much more than the scoring..

[Carbine]

I've seen Splitter miss chances around the hoop vs. athletic defenders far too much to discredit Duncan for MAKING them.

Not like he scored 22 on uncontested lay ups.

[Jlamb47]

GOAT PF :bowdown:

[Pointguard]

We'll never know what Chamberlain would have been doing at age 38. In his last NBA season, at age 36, he finished 4th in the MVP balloting; was playing 43 mpg; led the NBA by a solid margin in rebounding; was voted First Team All-Defense; averaged 5.4 bpg; set an all-time FG% mark of .727; led his team to a 60-22 record, and a trip to the Finals; averaged 47.1 mpg in his 17 post-season games; and averaged 22.5 rpg in those 17 games, in an NBA post-season that averaged 50.6 rpg, per team.

In that last season, he battled a peak Kareem in six regular games, and held him to a .450 FG% (while shooting .737 himself); averaged 20 ppg on...get this... an .836 FG% against 6-11 HOFer Bob Lanier in their H2H's; and in his very last NBA game, and against HOFer Willis Reed, he put up a 23 point, 9-16 shooting, 21 rebound game.

He always kept himself in great shape, and was still getting LEGITIMATE offers to play in the NBA even up to age 50.

I wonder what is the oldest a player was when he lead the league in rebounding outside of Wilt and Rodman? Rebounding means the will and energy are still strong.

[Pointguard]

Regular season minutes:

Garnett, 48910
Duncan, 43605
Shaq, 41166

Playoff minutes:

Duncan, 8668
Shaq, 8086
Garnett, 5283

Total minutes:

Garnett, 54148
Duncan, 52273
Shaq, 49252

Considering Duncan played 3000 more Playoff minutes, I'd say he has as much wear and tear (you know what they, Playoff games are about as exhausting as three regular season games).

:confusedshrug:

They all log minutes very differently. Shaq was fouled and had people just lay on him. Duncan consistently played more playoff games. KG played all out most of the time, (it definitely wasn't a case of one playoff game equaling three regular season games with KG, Iverson or Jordan). Shaq and Duncan usually played in lower gears in the regular season.

[Carbine]

Just because KG has a scowl on his face and yells doesn't mean he plays harder than Duncan.

[wordsRweapons]

duncan is nowhere close to being the best player on this team, he has twice as many bad games as good ones

[T_L_P]

duncan is nowhere close to being the best player on this team, he has twice as many bad games as good ones

And yet somehow he's second in Playoff PER (.1 behind Manu), first in Win Shares (2.3), and second in Win Shares Per 48 Minutes.

Yeah, only the fifth or sixth best players on a team are so high up in those categories...not. He's second in scoring, first in rebounding, and first in blocks.

I'm not even saying he's best our best player this postseason, but he's definitely top three, which is incredible for any 38 year old.

[T_L_P]

They all log minutes very differently. Shaq was fouled and had people just lay on him. Duncan consistently played more playoff games. KG played all out most of the time, (it definitely wasn't a case of one playoff game equaling three regular season games with KG, Iverson or Jordan). Shaq and Duncan usually played in lower gears in the regular season.

I agree, and I do believe Garnett has more mileage than Duncan...but it's definitely not as lopsided as the other guy made it out to be. :confusedshrug:

[Artillery]

And yet somehow he's second in Playoff PER (.1 behind Manu), first in Win Shares (2.3), and second in Win Shares Per 48 Minutes.

Yeah, only the fifth or sixth best players on a team are so high up in those categories...not. He's second in scoring, first in rebounding, and first in blocks.

I'm not even saying he's best our best player this postseason, but he's definitely top three, which is incredible for any 38 year old.

Ginobili's probably been the Spurs best overall player but Duncan's right there with him. Parker's the overrated one. Scoring on low efficiency, not much of a playmaker this year, and some really awful defense(killed by Westbrook and Mavs guards). Take away the Portland series and Parker's been mostly trash in these playoffs.