How is it that every good team from the past would "destroy" the current NBA?

[atljonesbro]

Every time someone talks about any good team from the past you always get the comments regardless of the team, "If they were in today's game they would DESTROY the league".

You can't tell me this isn't nostalgia because it's the same story whenever any good team from the past is brought up.

[JohnFreeman]

Nostalgia trips.

[dubeta]

nostalgia's a helluva drug

Actual talent comparisons

Wilt = Javale Mcgee

Jordan = Luol Deng

Shaq = Perkins

Bird = Kyle Korver

Russell = Udonis Haslem

Hakeem = Andre Blatche

Steve Nash = Kendall Marshall

[Collie]

Every time someone talks about any good team from the past you always get the comments regardless of the team, "If they were in today's game they would DESTROY the league".

You can't tell me this isn't nostalgia because it's the same story whenever any good team from the past is brought up.

The 90's Bulls aren't just "any good team". They're among the GOAT teams in NBA history.

[atljonesbro]

The 90's Bulls aren't just "any good team". They're among the GOAT teams in NBA history.
I'm not just talking about the 90's Bulls if you have basic reading skills.

[JT123]

Because some people would rather live in the past than appreciate the greatness that is currently on display. Why do you think Jordan fans are always crying about lack of parity. It's because they don't want there to be any more great players or teams. They feel like with every ring Lebron receives, the more irrelevant and forgotten their hero becomes. Notice how they used to hate on Kobe when he was winning rings, and now they hate on Lebron since he is currently on top. Many of them support Durant right now, but if he gets a ring or two they will start trying to tear him down as well. It's actually pretty pathetic when you think about it. :lol

[Akrazotile]

nostalgia's a helluva drug

Actual talent comparisons

Wilt = Javale Mcgee

Jordan = Luol Deng

Shaq = Perkins

Bird = Kyle Korver

Russell = Udonis Haslem

Hakeem = Andre Blatche

Steve Nash = Kendall Marshall


:wtf:


How can a literal GOAT like Perkins have an equal??? :facepalm

[Smook A.]

Look at the competition from the 90s compared to now.

90s had Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Shaquille O'Neal, Charles Barkley, Gary Payton, Penny Hardaway, Hakeem Olajuwon, David Robinson, John Stockton, Karl Malone, Dikembe Mutombo, Karl Malone, Clyde Drexler, Latrell Spreewell, Chris Mullin, Grant Hill, Patrick Ewing, Kevin Johnson, Tim Hardaway, Dennis Rodman, Shawn Kemp.

Thats absolutely crazy. Teams in the 90s were different. The competition was arguable tougher in that decade

Now look at the competition now. Its Kevin Durant, LeBron James, Chris Paul, Blake Griffin, Kevin Love, LaMarcus Aldridge, Paul George, Dwyane Wade, Carmelo Anthony, Russell Westbrook, Dwight Howard, Kobe Bryant, Stephen Curry. Those are the best players I can name right now.

[Milbuck]

nostalgia's a helluva drug

Actual talent comparisons

Wilt = Javale Mcgee

Jordan = Luol Deng

Shaq = Perkins

Bird = Kyle Korver

Russell = Udonis Haslem

Hakeem = Andre Blatche

Steve Nash = Kendall Marshall
:no:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVFCF_v9bwI

Hakeem = Chris Kaman

[LongLiveTheKing]

Look at the competition from the 90s compared to now.

90s had Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Shaquille O'Neal, Charles Barkley, Gary Payton, Penny Hardaway, Hakeem Olajuwon, David Robinson, John Stockton, Karl Malone, Dikembe Mutombo, Karl Malone, Clyde Drexler, Latrell Spreewell, Chris Mullin, Grant Hill, Patrick Ewing, Kevin Johnson, Tim Hardaway, Dennis Rodman, Shawn Kemp.

Thats absolutely crazy. Teams in the 90s were different. The competition was arguable tougher in that decade
A lot of players from today are as good as those players. But people think just cause they're from the 90's they're automatically better.

[Akrazotile]

Look at the competition from the 90s compared to now.

90s had Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Shaquille O'Neal, Charles Barkley, Gary Payton, Penny Hardaway, Hakeem Olajuwon, David Robinson, John Stockton, Karl Malone, Dikembe Mutombo, Karl Malone, Clyde Drexler, Latrell Spreewell, Chris Mullin, Grant Hill, Patrick Ewing, Kevin Johnson, Tim Hardaway, Dennis Rodman, Shawn Kemp.

Thats absolutely crazy. Teams in the 90s were different. The competition was arguable tougher in that decade


Have you considered that stars stood out more easily because the general competition was more scrubbish?


Im not sayin its true but it seems plausible. Basketball is more popular and global than ever. The idea that the talent pool would be less makes little sense.

[atljonesbro]

A lot of players from today are as good as those players. But people think just cause they're from the 90's they're automatically better.
Pretty much this. Not seeing what's so impressive about that list compared to today. 20 years from now people will think the same about the current players as 90s players because the nostalgia will settle in.

[JT123]

Look at the competition from the 90s compared to now.

90s had Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Shaquille O'Neal, Charles Barkley, Gary Payton, Penny Hardaway, Hakeem Olajuwon, David Robinson, John Stockton, Karl Malone, Dikembe Mutombo, Karl Malone, Clyde Drexler, Latrell Spreewell, Chris Mullin, Grant Hill, Patrick Ewing, Kevin Johnson, Tim Hardaway, Dennis Rodman, Shawn Kemp.

Thats absolutely crazy. Teams in the 90s were different. The competition was arguable tougher in that decade
How many of those players won rings in the 90's? And for the ones that didn't, what makes any of them better than today's stars?

[livinglegend]

because right now, Lebron is winning and to bring him down, they have to act like this is a weak era.

BTW, comparing teams from different eras bring nothing. They are useless discussions. People make statements that cant ever be proved. What s the point really? It s just a waste of time.

[Akrazotile]

Also, the emphasis on iso players has taken away a lot of the opportunity for high IQ team players to shine more.

[Milbuck]

Look at the competition from the 90s compared to now.

90s had Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Shaquille O'Neal, Charles Barkley, Gary Payton, Penny Hardaway, Hakeem Olajuwon, David Robinson, John Stockton, Karl Malone, Dikembe Mutombo, Karl Malone, Clyde Drexler, Latrell Spreewell, Chris Mullin, Grant Hill, Patrick Ewing, Kevin Johnson, Tim Hardaway, Dennis Rodman, Shawn Kemp.

Thats absolutely crazy. Teams in the 90s were different. The competition was arguable tougher in that decade
If you're gonna count an entire decade, should count 2004-today?

[Kovach]

Have you considered that stars stood out more easily because the general competition was more scrubbish?

Ever considered that it's much more evident today than it was back then? I don't wanna blindly take the "nostalgia" side, especially after this season which was in my mind absolutely phenomenal basketball quality-wise (mostly thanks to the stacked Western conference), but the previous 2 seasons were just utter rubbish. Boring, snooze-inducing basketball.


Im not sayin its true but it seems plausible. Basketball is more popular and global than ever. The idea that the talent pool would be less makes little sense.

90's had trash teams, but not as many as there are today. The league has much more teams than the overall talent pool can handle.

[Micku]

nostalgia's a helluva drug

Actual talent comparisons

Wilt = Javale Mcgee

Jordan = Luol Deng

Shaq = Perkins

Bird = Kyle Korver

Russell = Udonis Haslem

Hakeem = Andre Blatche

Steve Nash = Kendall Marshall

Noo. What lies are you spreading?

Jordan is a poor man Tony Allen.

[deja vu]

Jordan would be a poor man's Rudy Gay and Hakeem would be a poverty version of Roy Hibbert.

Shaq would average less than 15 points going up against Perkins and Gasol.

[MiseryCityTexas]

Have you considered that stars stood out more easily because the general competition was more scrubbish?


Im not sayin its true but it seems plausible. Basketball is more popular and global than ever. The idea that the talent pool would be less makes little sense.

90s NBA basketball is the biggest reason why basketball is so popular worldwide. 92 dream team had everyone fiending.

[poido123]

OP has been trying ever so hard to refute anything older than current era players.


At least mask your agenda a little :oldlol:

[poido123]

90s NBA basketball is the biggest reason why basketball is so popular worldwide. 92 dream team had everyone fiending.


Bingo.

A lot of the alltime greats either crossed over or played in this wonderful decade.

But of course, the amazing last 5 years lacking decent centres in the almighty, greatest of eras :oldlol:

[FPJ]

Because the 12 year olds on this site have watched every season starting with the 70'th. They know whats up.

[iamgine]

The problem is, when we hear a great player's name from the past, we automatically assume they're THAT great EVERY year. We do not do that with current players.

Kareem missed playoff, Shaq got sweeped many years, Gary Payton wasn't always his "shutting down MJ in the finals" self, Hakeem rarely play as good as '94 playoff, Stockton-Malone lost in the 1st round many many times, Jordan was better at Bulls 1st threepeat, Pippen didn't always impact the game like his '94 season.

[plowking]

People who do say it clearly don't understand product or technological advancement of a product in it's early stages.

[bdreason]

Sorry, but the Elite teams since around 2006 have been mediocre and flawed. No legit size, too much isolation, and/or too reliant upon the 3-ball. Only the Lakers and Spurs from the early 2000's should even be mentioned among the greatest teams ever.

[BasedTom]

I had a coach who swore that Oscar Robertson was the GOAT

and yes, this was after Jordan's second 3peat

[poido123]

I had a coach who swore that Oscar Robertson was the GOAT

and yes, this was after Jordan's second 3peat


We have people out there who are either nostalgic, homers, or a bit of both or neither.

Are fans opinions of these past great players any less valid than any other fans favourite player? Do they always have to be labelled nostalgic?

They are opinion.

[PickernRoller]

Only LeStans make these threads and only LeStans agree w/ each other on a circle jerk.

No one gives a sh1t. People will keep spouting the truth about this weak @ss era that Lebron happens to thrive in.

It's what it's.

[cltcfn2924]

nostalgia's a helluva drug

Actual talent comparisons

Wilt = Javale Mcgee

Jordan = Luol Deng

Shaq = Perkins

Bird = Kyle Korver

Russell = Udonis Haslem

Hakeem = Andre Blatche

Steve Nash = Kendall Marshall


Speaking of drugs, you must carry quite an arsenal?

[Artillery]

Rule changes have made superstars out of mediocre players in recent years. Harden is a good example. Not that he isn't talented but he sure as hell isn't averaging 25 ppg in the 90s. Some of the 90s stars would absolutely dominate the current NBA with all these modern rules concerning free throws. Robinson immediately comes to mind.

[cltcfn2924]

Have you considered that stars stood out more easily because the general competition was more scrubbish?


Im not sayin its true but it seems plausible. Basketball is more popular and global than ever. The idea that the talent pool would be less makes little sense.


80's and 90's quite a few teams had the heart and mental toughness to win. What do you have now? How many teams are mentally tough? If there is more talent it is being wasted big time. Let these guys try to compete with Barkley, Malone 1 &2, Shaq, Bird, Magic, Isiah, Dr.J Oakley. It would be embarrassing.

[plowking]

Rule changes have made superstars out of mediocre players in recent years. Harden is a good example. Not that he isn't talented but he sure as hell isn't averaging 25 ppg in the 90s. Some of the 90s stars would absolutely dominate the current NBA with all these modern rules concerning free throws. Robinson immediately comes to mind.

Harden most definitely scores 25ppg in any era. He may be a flopper but he is one of the most physical players in the league in terms of play style. He bullies his way to the ring.

You act like James Harden scoring 25ppg is some big deal in today's league. He is clearly a big guard, physical, athletic, and a good shooter. He has all the tools.
It's no different to me saying guys like Kiki Vandewehe were scoring 25ppg in the late 80's, yet he wouldn't do it today. A smaller SF, with not much length or athleticism.

[Milbuck]

Rule changes have made superstars out of mediocre players in recent years. Harden is a good example. Not that he isn't talented but he sure as hell isn't averaging 25 ppg in the 90s. Some of the 90s stars would absolutely dominate the current NBA with all these modern rules concerning free throws. Robinson immediately comes to mind.
Harden legit wouldn't crack an NBA roster in the 90s. Without his constant free throws, he's just an arrogant, uncoachable piece of shit that relies on stupid transition 3s, step back jumpers, and rushing to the rim waiting to flail his arms and snap his head back. With hand checking and physical defense, that's pretty much gone too. Dude would take 2 body slams and quit driving the rest of the game. His defense is already nonexistent, so there goes that. Essentially you'd have the worst basketball player in human history.

If there was a way to transport Harden back to the late 80s and make him play the Bad Boys...

[poido123]

Harden legit wouldn't crack an NBA roster in the 90s. Without his constant free throws, he's just an arrogant, uncoachable piece of shit that relies on stupid transition 3s, step back jumpers, and rushing to the rim waiting to flail his arms and **** his head back. With hand checking and physical defense, that's pretty much gone too. Dude would take 2 body slams and quit driving the rest of the game. His defense is already nonexistent, so there goes that. Essentially you'd have the worst basketball player in human history.


A SLIGHT exaggeration, but funny nevertheless :oldlol:

Continue.

[Micku]

Harden most definitely scores 25ppg in any era. He may be a flopper but he is one of the most physical players in the league in terms of play style. He bullies his way to the ring.

You act like James Harden scoring 25ppg is some big deal in today's league. He is clearly a big guard, physical, athletic, and a good shooter. He has all the tools.
It's no different to me saying guys like Kiki Vandewehe were scoring 25ppg in the late 80's, yet he wouldn't do it today. A smaller SF, with not much length or athleticism.

Kiki Vandeweghe is 6'8, so he isn't small. Small nick pick.

But I do agree with you that Harden could probably score above 20+ in any era. I do think he may find it slightly more difficult depending on the team he'll face. While I do think the league admitted to change the rules to promote more perimeter play and stars, I still think he does have all the tools to still score 20-25 ppg. Ppl do give Harden a hard time because he is a flopper who don't play any D.

[diamenz]

players of today are more athletic and that is all. skill-wise, iq-wise, team-wise, and just plain basketball-wise, players of the past win out.

not to mention the lack of presence under the rim today. we all see how much of an impact ibaka has against offenses.

[knicksman]

because past prime spurs still can compete with the best. The same spurs that hasnt made the finals when the west was so competitive.

[Straight_Ballin]

Every time someone talks about any good team from the past you always get the comments regardless of the team, "If they were in today's game they would DESTROY the league".

You can't tell me this isn't nostalgia because it's the same story whenever any good team from the past is brought up.

Oh look....another young fella upset that today's era WOULD get destroyed and using nostalgia as the basis. Why would any fan want the league that they are currently watching to be inferior to the past?!? That make 0 sense. Go watch 30 for 30 bad boys and you will find your answer.

[GimmeThat]

Because it's impossible to factor in age play as well as injury.

Besides the very few dominant teams that fans have come to memorize, and mesmerized by it.

[Calabis]

Wait....how can the guys from the 90's compete with today's stars? In the last twenty years the human basketball player has evolved a million years. Nostalgic guys acting like prime Jordan, Hakeem, Magic, Bird and Shaq could compete in this era are insane. Hell have u not seen Kevin Durant? I just saw him in a commercial the other day....guy was literally tall as a 15 foot tree house, probably weighed about 600lbs and when he jumped, he basically has a NASA type shuttle launch emitting from the bottom of his feet. How anyone can assume players of the past can compete with that is what makes this board pure asinine.

[diamenz]

Wait....how can the guys from the 90's compete with today's stars? In the last twenty years the human basketball player has evolved a million years. Nostalgic guys acting like prime Jordan, Hakeem, Magic, Bird and Shaq could compete in this era are insane. Hell have u not seen Kevin Durant? I just saw him in a commercial the other day....guy was literally tall as a 15 foot tree house, probably weighed about 600lbs and when he jumped, he basically has a NASA type shuttle launch emitting from the bottom of his feet. How anyone can assume players of the past can compete with that is what makes this board pure asinine.

LoL

[SamuraiSWISH]

OP a prisoner of the moment doe