no matter how many rings lebron wins with Ray/Wade/Bosh

[kennethgriffin]

kobe still will have won 2 with Sasha. odom and pauh

[J Shuttlesworth]

Heat are about to win one with Oden :lol and Beasley

[KingBeasley08]

If the Heat win one more, LeBron will easily pass Kobe on the all-time list.

[kennethgriffin]

Heat are about to win one with Oden :lol and Beasley


are oden and beasley in the rotation?


the best player on the 2nd unit for kobe was luke walton

[Draz]

Op has a point.

[IllegalD]

If the Heat win one more, LeBron will easily pass Kobe on the all-time list.

And if LeBron loses once more in the finals he drops out of the Top-10 entirely with a West-esque Finals losing record.

Fickle things these legacies...

[kennethgriffin]

If the Heat win one more, LeBron will easily pass Kobe on the all-time list.

na.. kobe wasnt passing legends winning with shaq

lebron isnt passing legends winning with 3 guys with 30 allstar games and 30 all nba teams combined

[Rodmantheman]

:hammertime:

[stalkerforlife]

Still hard to believe that Lakers team went to 3 straight finals and won b2b titles. BS stats aside, Kobe can just will you to wins, man.

[TylerOO]

Your insecurity is showing...

[K Xerxes]

Can't wait to see your meltdown if Heat 3peat and LeBron easily passes Kobe on most all time lists at the age of 29. :lol

[funnystuff]

If the Heat win one more, LeBron will easily pass Kobe on the all-time list.
That was the consensus in July 2012, where you been?

[Cocaine80s]

kobe had phil jackson,artest, and bynum. and ariza the year before

[JohnFreeman]

I love seeing Laker "fans" so insecure and worried. Lakers been handed everything on a silver platter.

[ZeN]

Kobe had Pau, Odom, and fisher as his best next players... Not comparable..

[kennethgriffin]

kobe had phil jackson,artest, and bynum. and ariza the year before

bynum didnt even play those 2 years

he averaged 6 points

and kobe won without artest

and ariza aint all that.

10 years in the nba,
9 points per game career
0 awards


oh yea that really equals an epic side kick lol

[ZeN]

kobe had phil jackson,artest, and bynum. and ariza the year before
Ariza and Artest were the epitome of role players. People forget the headaches they gave during their development. Bynum was a straight up bum in the playoffs, hardly playing due to injuries and being foul prone.

[Cocaine80s]

bynum didnt even play those 2 years

he averaged 6 points

and kobe won without artest

and ariza aint all that.

10 years in the nba,
9 points per game career
0 awards


oh yea that really equals an epic side kick lol
wow so Kobe beat the magic and celtics without perkins.

Lebron beat OKC(who were the favorites), Spurs (also favorites), and if they win again they will beat the Spurs(FAVORITES AGAIN).


Game over b. Lebron will be top 5 all time in 3 weeks. Pushing kobe to #11 just outside the top 10.

[funnystuff]

Kobe cannot and will not do anything without Phil. Dude looks like a lost puppy without him.

[kennethgriffin]

wow so Kobe beat the magic and celtics without perkins.

Lebron beat OKC(who were the favorites), Spurs (also favorites), and if they win again they will beat the Spurs(FAVORITES AGAIN).


Game over b. Lebron will be top 5 all time in 3 weeks. Pushing kobe to #11 just outside the top 10.


2010 celtics without perkins = still 4 hall of famers

lakers had 1 ( pau aint no lock with 4 asg's, 2 third team all nbas and 18ppg, best olympic silver medalist? LOL)

[ZeN]

Kobe cannot and will not do anything without Phil. Dude looks like a lost puppy without him.
Mike Dantoni and Mike Brown is as far away from Phil Jackson as it gets.

[Cocaine80s]

2010 celtics without perkins = still 4 hall of famers

lakers had 1 ( pau aint no lock with 4 asg's, 2 third team all nbas and 18ppg )
4 hall of famers? are you saying rondo will be a hall of famer and Pau wont be?

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe cannot and will not do anything without Phil. Dude looks like a lost puppy without him.
well before he got phil he was 19

and after phil left he was past his prime in 2012 with 17 years on his legs

he came back strong in 2013 but then another career ending injury happened.

how can a guy look good without phil when he spent his entire prime with phil

[ZeN]

well before he got phil he was 19

and after phil left he was past his prime in 2012 with 17 years on his legs

he came back strong in 2013 but then another career ending injury happened.

how can a guy look good without phil when he spent his entire prime with phil
Unlike MJ who looked great without Phil... Oh wait...

[funnystuff]

well before he got phil he was 19

and after phil left he was past his prime in 2012 with 17 years on his legs

he came back strong in 2013 but then another career ending injury happened.

how can a guy look good without phil when he spent his entire prime with phil
Phil is GOAT coach, you act like he had no affect on Kobes play.

[Imtheman]

are oden and beasley in the rotation?


the best player on the 2nd unit for kobe was luke walton

:biggums:

Are you talking out of your butt right now, Luke Walton was NOT the best player on the second unit. Luke was a decent passer off the bench, and could hit the 3 occassionally, nothing more.

[ZeN]

Phil is GOAT coach, you act like he had no affect on Kobes play.
How did he act that way? He said nothing about the effect phil had on him.

[kennethgriffin]

4 hall of famers? are you saying rondo will be a hall of famer and Pau wont be?


paus finished with 4 asg's, 2 third team all nba's, 0 all defensive awards

rondos just starting and has 4 allstar games, 4 all defensive awards and an all nba team


hes already had 3 seasons averaging a double/double..

guys who average 10+ assists for multiple years usually make the hall of fame




rondos on pace for 10,000 assists by age 34


yes he'l be a hall of famer baring any further injury

[ZeN]

:biggums:

Are you talking out of your butt right now, Luke Walton was NOT the best player on the second unit. Luke was a decent passer off the bench, and could hit the 3 occassionally, nothing more.
Yeah actually it was Jordan Farmar. The dude who was out of the league not long after leaving the Lakers.

[DFish24]

Wade>Gasol
Bosh>Odom
Allen>Fisher
Battier>Ariza/Metta
Birdman> Injured Bynum
Chalmers>Sasha
Cole>Farmar
Spolestra<Phil
East<West


Kobe Wins

[pauk]

and gasol (who was close to win FMVP in one of those 2 runs)
and jackson
and artest
and bynum

[ZeN]

Wade>Gasol
Bosh>Odom
Allen>Fisher
Battier>Ariza/Metta
Birdman> Injured Bynum
Chalmers>Sasha
Cole>Farmar
Spolestra<Phil
East<West


Kobe Wins
D-Fish old as dirt couldn't guard a single pg.. Odom with add/drug/candy problems.. Artest with cement blocks as feet... And Bynum was entirely a non factor.. Sasha couldn't even make the bench on the worst of NBA teams.

[kennethgriffin]

Wade>Gasol
Bosh>Odom
Allen>Fisher
Battier>Ariza/Metta
Birdman> Injured Bynum
Chalmers>Sasha
Cole>Farmar
Spolestra<Phil
East<West


Kobe Wins






also


kobe beat 23 playoff teams with 50+ wins in 11 years ( 2000-2010 )

lebron beat 5 playoff teams with 50+ wins in 11 years ( 2004-2014 )

[Akrazotile]

Op has a point.


A point? Pau was an all star and the best big in the game. Odom was a 6MoY. Phil is a HoF coach. Fisher has played in more playoff games than anyone in NBA history and is also one of the clutchest playoff performers ever. Ariza and Artest were both premiere perimeter defenders and guarded all the other teams stars. The bench was deep and played well together, only insecure kobe lovers try to downplay their impact.


That team could have won without Kome :facepalm

[ZeN]

That team could have won without Kome :
:facepalm

[Akrazotile]

:facepalm


Shaq, Tim, Bron, Dirk, Wade, Durant >>>>>> Kobe



Just try n deal with it, ok brah?

[knicksman]

If the Heat win one more, LeBron will easily pass Kobe on the all-time list.

well thats because of your low IQ

[ZeN]

Shaq, Tim, Bron, Dirk, Wade, Durant >>>>>> Kobe



Just try n deal with it, ok brah?
I have no agenda when it comes to Kobe. You can think whatever you'd like.

However speaking in terms of the team.. Its laughable and absurd to suggest that without. Kobe they would be the same team. Phil Jackson had a difficult job keeping Odom and Gasol motivated during those seasons. He and Kobe would push and prod them to continue being aggressive on the court. Both have admitted to the LA press that Kobe pushed them so as not to be complacent. Bryant was an essential part of those teams. Without him they obviously wouldn't have been the same.