Most ISHers think Heat wouldnt get out the 1st rd in west. Are heat underdogs again? [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

ILLsmak

05-31-2014, 01:27 AM

I mean they would have to be right? If the west is so superior why wouldnt the western finalist be the favorite? :oldlol:

I think they'd be way more beat up. But yea that not making out of the first round shit is luls. The Heat are gonna make the Finals in any conference right now. but they might have a tougher time in the Finals because they wouldn't be fully rested.

-Smak

TheMarkMadsen

05-31-2014, 01:28 AM

Cocaine80s

05-31-2014, 01:29 AM

4x straight finals yeah their underdogs :facepalm

teams in the West just match up really well with the HEAT, if they had to face 3 straight rounds of LMA or Dwight, then shift over to Duncan & Splitter or BG & DJ and then play another series before they even make the finals they might have some problems
so if they dont match up well with spurs they are still the favorites?

negged.

J Shuttlesworth

05-31-2014, 01:30 AM

I think they'd be way more beat up. But yea that not making out of the first round shit is luls. The Heat are gonna make the Finals in any conference right now. but they might have a tougher time in the Finals because they wouldn't be fully rested.

-Smak
But they should have an easier time in the finals because they would be playing a team in the East, right?

True underdogs. People saying that the Heat would be knocked out of the first round are saying that they're basically a 8th seed in the west. Thus them beating the Spurs in the finals this year/last year is a TRUE underdog ring. Winning underdog rings w/ 3 FMVPs = GOAT

TheMarkMadsen

05-31-2014, 01:30 AM

so if they dont match up well with spurs they are still the favorites?

negged.

learn to read

i said if they had to go through 3 rounds of teams that match up very well against them they might run into some problems..

Each WC team had to face a fcking battle in the first round, some teams responded well to that while others lagged a little

Bandito

05-31-2014, 01:31 AM

stay mad haters

http://scontent-a.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xpf1/t51.2885-15/10413851_688545254544665_2110036577_n.jpg
Not sure if this is Lebron or Oden. Not even kidding...:lol

J Shuttlesworth

05-31-2014, 01:31 AM

4x straight finals yeah their underdogs :facepalm

teams in the West just match up really well with the HEAT, if they had to face LMA or Dwight, then shift over to Duncan & Splitter or BG & DJ and then play another series before they even make the finals they might have some problems
So you're saying they're no better than the Rockets, or Mavericks? They'd lose to Blazers or Spurs in first round?

#UNDERDOGS

And why would they have trouble in the finals? I thought the Eastern conference is absolute shit

maybeshewill13

05-31-2014, 01:34 AM

The Heat are a Finals team. Stop making excuses OP.

Im Still Ballin

05-31-2014, 01:35 AM

Underdoggin' once again!!!

Lebron family stay strong. We got this shit. Underdogs for life.

TheMarkMadsen

05-31-2014, 01:35 AM

So you're saying they're no better than the Rockets, or Mavericks? They'd lose to Blazers or Spurs in first round?

#UNDERDOGS

And why would they have trouble in the finals? I thought the Eastern conference is absolute shit

you are so dense :facepalm

Each WC team had to face a fcking battle in the first round, some teams responded well to that while others lagged a little

with Wade's health problems, and the difficulty of playing against teams that have strengths to match your weakness for 6-7 games per series, there's more of a possibility that they don't make the finals having to go through the western conference as opposed to going through the cake walk known as the eastern conference

J Shuttlesworth

05-31-2014, 01:36 AM

you are so dense :facepalm

Each WC team had to face a fcking battle in the first round, some teams responded well to that while others lagged a little

with Wade's health problems, and the difficulty of playing against teams that have strengths to match your weakness for 6-7 games per series, there's more of a possibility that they don't make the finals having to go through the western conference as opposed to going through the cake walk known as the eastern conference
So if that's the case, the Heat would have a bad record against the West, right?

Ancient Legend

05-31-2014, 01:36 AM

The Heat would have gotten out of the first round, seriously.

The Pacers on the other hand, could have been beaten by the Warriors, or even the Suns had they made the playoffs, they kicked their ass in the regular season by going small.

Bless Mathews

05-31-2014, 01:38 AM

Not sure if this is Lebron or Oden. Not even kidding...:lol
That's oden

TheMarkMadsen

05-31-2014, 01:39 AM

So if that's the case, the Heat would have a bad record against the West, right?

Nets were 4-0 against the HEAT in the regular season and how valuable was that stat again?

J Shuttlesworth

05-31-2014, 01:40 AM

Nets were 4-0 against the HEAT in the regular season and how valuable was that stat again?
What are you trying to say? Are you saying they would or would not make the finals in the West? If they wouldn't, then they are underdogs for the finals. Are they underdogs or not?

FLDFSU

05-31-2014, 01:41 AM

Don't you understand? The Heat are the most stacked team of all time...but if "ref" fairly the Heat would lose in 7 to the current Lakers team.

TheMarkMadsen

05-31-2014, 01:42 AM

What are you trying to say? Are you saying they would or would not make the finals in the West? If they wouldn't, then they are underdogs for the finals. Are they underdogs or not?

i've given you all those answers in my previous post, stop being an idiot

Cocaine80s

05-31-2014, 01:44 AM

markpha*sen getting owned as usual

J Shuttlesworth

05-31-2014, 01:47 AM

i've given you all those answers in my previous post, stop being an idiot
Well then you're logic is terrible. How can you say they're not underdogs, and then go around to say they would struggle to make the finals? Do you honestly think they would not make the finals? That's all I need to know to determine whether or not you consider them to be underdogs.

J Shuttlesworth

05-31-2014, 01:51 AM

Also Madsen, your comments indicate that you wouldn't consider the Heat stacked. You can't say a team is the most stacked team relative to their competition, and then say they won't make the finals. You'll have to pick a side. Either the Heat aren't stacked, and are underdogs would not make the finals in the West, or the Heat are stacked and would easily make the finals in the West.

TheMarkMadsen

05-31-2014, 01:52 AM

Well then you're logic is terrible. How can you say they're not underdogs, and then go around to say they would struggle to make the finals? Do you honestly think they would not make the finals? That's all I need to know to determine whether or not you consider them to be underdogs.

no the problem is you can't follow any logic

HEAT are in the eastern conference where they play a bunch of weak teams on their way to the finals, they easily beat every team.

Put the HEAT in the WC and almost every series is a toss up, just as it is for every team in the WC

HEAT have won 2 straight titles and made 4 straight finals, they are not an underdog

edit: how hard is it to realize that a stacked team can face an opponent that matches up well and therefore lead to the series being a toss up

the 98 Bulls were taken to 7 games by the Pacers and only won game 7 by 5 points, that series was a toss up, does that mean the 98 bulls weren't stacked? NO! of course they were, but they faced a team that matched up well and the series could have gone either way

FLDFSU

05-31-2014, 01:54 AM

markpha*sen getting owned as usual

Their logic contradicts from sentence to sentence. In their first sentence, the Heat are stacked, in their second sentence, the Heat would get sweep in the first round if they played Memphis.

:facepalm

J Shuttlesworth

05-31-2014, 01:55 AM

Put the HEAT in the WC and almost every series is a toss up, just as it is for every team in the WC

HEAT have won 2 straight titles and made 4 straight finals, they are not an underdog
Ok you can't have it both ways. If you're saying the Heat are stacked and are not an underdog, you can't say it's a toss up against a team like the Clippers or Blazers who haven't sniffed the Conference Finals. I understand saying they could lose to the Spurs in the WCF since they present matchup problems, but I can't see it being harder to beat the Spurs in the WCF than it was last year in the finals after having to face two physical teams in the Bulls/Pacers. Everything you're saying is contradictary. They're the 2 time defending champs who have beaten the best competition in the West the last couple years, but it's a tossup against teams like the Mavericks/Blazers? Come the **** on.

TheMarkMadsen

05-31-2014, 01:56 AM

Their logic contradicts from sentence to sentence. In their first sentence, the Heat are stacked, in their second sentence, the Heat would get sweep in the first round if they played Memphis.

:facepalm

how hard is it to realize that a stacked team can face an opponent that matches up well and therefore lead to the series being a toss up

the 98 Bulls were taken to 7 games by the Pacers and only won game 7 by 5 points, that series was a toss up, does that mean the 98 bulls weren't stacked? NO! of course they were, but they faced a team that matched up well and the series could have gone either way

FLDFSU

05-31-2014, 01:58 AM

no the problem is you can't follow any logic

HEAT are in the eastern conference where they play a bunch of weak teams on their way to the finals, they easily beat every team.

Put the HEAT in the WC and almost every series is a toss up, just as it is for every team in the WC

HEAT have won 2 straight titles and made 4 straight finals, they are not an underdog

edit: how hard is it to realize that a stacked team can face an opponent that matches up well and therefore lead to the series being a toss up

the 98 Bulls were taken to 7 games by the Pacers and only won game 7 by 5 points, that series was a toss up, does that mean the 98 bulls weren't stacked? NO! of course they were, but they faced a team that matched up well and the series could have gone either way

The Heat are the most stacked team of all time-relative to competition but at least 8 current teams in the West would be a toss up if they played in a 7 game series :biggums:

oarabbus

05-31-2014, 01:59 AM

Let's be real here. LeBron on any Western playoff team is WCF at worst. The ONLY chance of a 1st round exit is if Lebron was on the Mavs and EVERYTHING went perfect for the Spurs. But if Bron was on the Mavs they wouldn't be an 8th seed anyway (probably 2nd or 3rd seed at worst) so that matchup wouldn't happen.

TheMarkMadsen

05-31-2014, 01:59 AM

Ok you can't have it both ways. If you're saying the Heat are stacked and are not an underdog, you can't say it's a toss up against a team like the Clippers or Blazers who haven't sniffed the Conference Finals. I understand saying they could lose to the Spurs in the WCF since they present matchup problems, but I can't see it being harder to beat the Spurs in the WCF than it was last year in the finals after having to face two physical teams in the Bulls/Pacers. Everything you're saying is contradictary. They're the 2 time defending champs who have beaten the best competition in the West the last couple years, but it's a tossup against teams like the Mavericks/Blazers? Come the **** on.

According to you OKC is stacked..

OKC vs LAC was an extremely close series and could have gone either way

how is that so difficult to understand?

TheMarkMadsen

05-31-2014, 02:04 AM

so according to FLDFSU & Shuttlesworth the 98 Bulls apparently weren't stacked since they played in a series that could have gone either way

How hard is it to understand that a stacked team can face a team who matches up well and the series can go either way??

Cocaine80s

05-31-2014, 02:04 AM

According to you OKC is stacked..

OKC vs LAC was an extremely close series and could have gone either way

how is that so difficult to understand?
u said Miami wouldnt even get out the 1st round tho

J Shuttlesworth

05-31-2014, 02:05 AM

how hard is it to realize that a stacked team can face an opponent that matches up well and therefore lead to the series being a toss up

the 98 Bulls were taken to 7 games by the Pacers and only won game 7 by 5 points, that series was a toss up, does that mean the 98 bulls weren't stacked? NO! of course they were, but they faced a team that matched up well and the series could have gone either way
Dude the teams in the West DON'T matchup well against the Heat besides the Spurs. Pacers/Spurs are the most ideal team to beat the heat. The recipe to beating them is having a dominant paint presence who can keep LeBron out, as well as take advantage of Bosh's size.
-Ibaka doesn't give Bosh trouble,
-Aldridge is like Ibaka where he takes midrange shots and won't post up Bosh,
-Howard might give them trouble but Harden's choking will make up for it,
-Griffin isn't exactly a post up player
-Not even gonna mention Mavs
-Warriors without Bogut would be easy, honestly
-Grizzlies don't have the offense to beat the Heat. They have the same downsides that Indy has

J Shuttlesworth

05-31-2014, 02:07 AM

According to you OKC is stacked..

OKC vs LAC was an extremely close series and could have gone either way

how is that so difficult to understand?
If we're calling the Heat and Thunder stacked, how are the Clippers not stacked? The have all the pieces necessary to win a championship, but have a choker in Chris Paul. Of course that series is going to be close

FLDFSU

05-31-2014, 02:09 AM

how hard is it to realize that a stacked team can face an opponent that matches up well and therefore lead to the series being a toss up

the 98 Bulls were taken to 7 games by the Pacers and only won game 7 by 5 points, that series was a toss up, does that mean the 98 bulls weren't stacked? NO! of course they were, but they faced a team that matched up well and the series could have gone either way

But you are not even saying ONE opponent. You are saying an ENTIRE conference-with at least 8 teams- matches up well with them.

How in the world are you the most stacked team in NBA history on one hand, but at least 8 of those SAME teams could beat you in a 7 game series?

And for all we know, you think the Suns, T-wolves and other West Conference teams could beat "the most stacked team" of all time.

TheMarkMadsen

05-31-2014, 02:13 AM

If we're calling the Heat and Thunder stacked, how are the Clippers not stacked? The have all the pieces necessary to win a championship, but have a choker in Chris Paul. Of course that series is going to be close

oh so 2 stacked teams can play eachother in a series and it can possibly go either way, and even if a certain team loses they are still a stacked team (LAC) THANK YOU, i've been saying that this entire time :applause:

Cocaine80s

05-31-2014, 02:14 AM

J Shuttlesworth

05-31-2014, 02:16 AM

oh so 2 stacked teams can play eachother in a series and it can possibly go either way, and even if a certain team loses they are still a stacked team (LAC) THANK YOU, i've been saying that this entire time :applause:
Your definition of stacked is retarded. You're basically saying all the top teams in the West are stacked. if the Thunder are, the Clippers are since they kept up with them. The Spurs are too, since they are keeping up with the Thunder. The Grizzlies kept up with the Thunder too, so they must be stacked. The Mavs kept up with the Spurs, so they must be stacked. The Warriors kept up with the Clippers, so they must be stacked.

#STACKEDERA