1998 chicago bulls vs 2000 los angles lakers,who wins

[mark henson 123]

derrick fisher
kobe Bryant
glen rice
horance grant
shaquile o neal

vs:coleman:
ron harper
Michael Jordan
scottie pippen
dennis rodman
luc longely

kobe wins?

[DonDadda59]

If Kobe plays the way he did in the finals, Bulls win comfortably. Even with a dominant Shaq performance.

[TheMarkMadsen]

2001 Lakers are the GOAT playoff team and a better comparison, with that said they'd beat this Bulls team in 5 or 6 if it's the 01 Lakers

[TheMarkMadsen]

If Kobe plays the way he did in the finals, Bulls win comfortably. Even with a dominant Shaq performance.

So if Kobe gets hurt 9 minutes into game 2, misses game 3 and plays on an injured ankle the rest of the series the Bulls would win, great analysis :applause:

[Nikola_]

1996 bulls = bulls in 5/6
1997 bulls = bulls in 5/6
1998 bulls = lakers in 6/7

[SamuraiSWISH]

If Kobe plays the way he did in the finals, Bulls win comfortably. Even with a dominant Shaq performance.
Yup, just like how they beat the '96 Magic.

2001 Lakers beat the '98 Bulls however. Pippen was useless on offense, and 35 year old MJ had to carry way too much weight in those regards.

That 2001 season Kobe would've been able to produce like MJ offensively, while having a younger, higher motor every where else.

I think the '96, or '97 Bulls could beat the 2001 Lakers though.

[DonDadda59]

So if Kobe gets hurt 9 minutes into game 2, misses game 3 and plays on an injured ankle the rest of the series the Bulls would win, great analysis :applause:

:kobe:

15.6 PPG on 37% FG. Thank the basketball Gods for Shaq or LA would've been blown out of the water with their 2nd option being a complete non factor for most of the series.


Yup, just like how they beat the '96 Magic.

2001 Lakers beat the '98 Bulls however. Pippen was useless on offense, and 35 year old MJ had to carry way too much weight in those regards.

That 2001 season Kobe would've been able to produce like MJ offensively, while having a younger, higher motor every where else.

I think the '96, or '97 Bulls could beat the 2001 Lakers though.

'01 Lakers were a strange team man. They were pedestrian (by their standards) during the regular season, were downright awful on defense, they were deep in the Shaq-Kobe beef. But once the playoffs started they just kicked it into a whole new gear.

On paper, they weren't as talented as the 96 Magic. They just turned it on when it counted.

[Just2McFly]

IF you guys are picking the bulls to win seriously, what's stopping the heat from beating these laker teams?:biggums:

[DonDadda59]

IF you guys are picking the bulls to win seriously, what's stopping the heat from beating these laker teams?:biggums:

Weak front court. They'd have no answer for Shaq. Bulls at least had Rodman pestering him and challenging rebounds. You really think Bosh is challenging Shaq? :lol

[SamuraiSWISH]

'96 Bulls v.s. 2000 Lakers = Bulls in 5
'97 Bulls v.s. 2000 Lakers = Bulls in 6
'98 Bulls v.s. 2000 Lakers = Lakers in 7

'96 Bulls v.s. 2001 Lakers = Bulls in 6
'97 Bulls v.s. 2001 Lakers = Bulls in 7
'98 Bulls v.s. 2001 Lakers = Lakers in 6

[Papaya Petee]

99-00 and 00-01 Lakers teams would beat any of those 3 peat Bulls teams.

[Just2McFly]

Weak front court. They'd have no answer for Shaq. Bulls at least had Rodman pestering him and challenging rebounds. You really think Bosh is challenging Shaq? :lol
Rodman? Guarding 2000/2001 Shaq? Hmmm...

[DonDadda59]

Rodman? Guarding 2000/2001 Shaq? Hmmm...

Shaq would get his no doubt. It's not about shutting him down, it's about making him work and earn his points/boards. Rodman could somewhat take him out of his game, minimize his damage on the boards (especially putbacks/offensive boards).

He did a great job on him in '96:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg3BiOw4TWo

The Heat don't have anyone who could do that.

[Just2McFly]

Shaq would get his no doubt. It's not about shutting him down, it's about making him work and earn his points/boards. Rodman could somewhat take him out of his game, minimize his damage on the boards (especially putbacks/offensive boards).

He did a great job on him in '96:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg3BiOw4TWo

The Heat don't have anyone who could do that.
Point is...we are taking about player that took his game to new heights since Rodman "did" that. You guys are GRASPING

[DonDadda59]

Point is...we are taking about player that took his game to new heights since Rodman "did" that. You guys are GRASPING

You're acting like Shaq wasn't a dominant force when the Bulls faced him in the 90s. A lot of Shaq's dominance in the early 2000s was due to him playing Rik Smits and Todd McCollough instead of Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing, etc and even Rodman like he did in the 90s.

They went head to head with the Magic being a more talented team than Shaq's Lakers (even though they went without Grant for 3 games) and the Bulls swept them. Shaq averaged about 11 boards per game to Rodman's 16.

Where exactly am I 'grasping'?

[Just2McFly]

96 Shaq and 2000 Shaq are worlds apart. That's my point.

[Micku]

You're acting like Shaq wasn't a dominant force when the Bulls faced him in the 90s. A lot of Shaq's dominance in the early 2000s was due to him playing Rik Smits and Todd McCollough instead of Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing, etc and even Rodman like he did in the 90s.

They went head to head with the Magic being a more talented team than Shaq's Lakers (even though they went without Grant for 3 games) and the Bulls swept them. Shaq averaged about 11 boards per game to Rodman's 16.

Where exactly am I 'grasping'?

And Phil Jackson. The triangle was great for Shaq, because it allowed more ball movement and challenged Shaq to be more of a rim protector. I think Shaq's post game was always good, but he did it at more volume in during the 3peat. Shaq was always good tho. Prime Shaq started during the Magic. Peak Shaq was with the Lakers.

With that said, Rodman would battle him on the boards. Some of Shaq advantage against the frontline would be the offensive boards. Rodman was the better offensive and defensive rebounder. So, Rodman would eliminate a few second chance points. The Bulls probably won't do much to stop Shaq. They couldn't really stop Shaq in Orlando either, but Rodman did a very good job on him. He might do the same thing with the Lakers as well. But Shaq looked stronger while he was on the Lakers.

[DonDadda59]

96 Shaq and 2000 Shaq are worlds apart. That's my point.

They really weren't though. The center position had just started the slow, sad descent into what it became today.

Shaq led his team to the finals in his third season at age 23 in '95. Only difference between then and '02 was that Hakeem was waiting for him instead of Todd MacCulloch.


With that said, Rodman would battle him on the boards. Some of Shaq advantage against the frontline would be the offensive boards. Rodman was the better offensive and defensive rebounder. So, Rodman would eliminate a few second chance points. The Bulls probably won't do much to stop Shaq. They couldn't really stop Shaq in Orlando either, but Rodman did a very good job on him. He might do the same thing with the Lakers as well. But Shaq looked stronger while he was on the Lakers.

Precisely :applause:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

'96 Bulls v.s. 2000 Lakers = Bulls in 5
'97 Bulls v.s. 2000 Lakers = Bulls in 6
'98 Bulls v.s. 2000 Lakers = Lakers in 7

'96 Bulls v.s. 2001 Lakers = Bulls in 6
'97 Bulls v.s. 2001 Lakers = Lakers in 7
'98 Bulls v.s. 2001 Lakers = Lakers in 6

Fixed.. I don't see any way the 97 Bulls beat the 2001 Lakers, one of the GOAT playoff teams w/ one of the GOAT peak players.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

96 Shaq and 2000 Shaq are worlds apart. That's my point.

Agreed. 2000 Shaq was a far better defender and had more game via the post. He credited that to PJax...who said challenged him unlike any other coach.

[Element]

If Kobe is healthy, LA. Who's stopping Shaq? There's no Sabonis on that Bulls team. 98 MJ can't guard Frobe because he was old and had to carry a hugeass offensive burden. If they get Pippen to help on Shaq, who's gonna guard Glen Rice? Granted, he was pretty bad in the playoffs but you're basically inviting him to get in a rythm considering his size advantage allows him to shoot over everybody not named Pippen/Jordan on the perimeter...and I think Pip would be assigned to LA's PG to double Shaq on the catch, and not using MJ on Frobe is a huge advantage for KB...Lakers in 6 imo.

And GTFO anyone who thinks any of those Bulls teams could beat the 01 Lakers. Imo the only teams that stand a chance would be the 86 Celtics or the 08 Celtics (because of the rule changes negatively impacting the general ease and effectiveness of big man post-ups).

[Micku]

Fixed.. I don't see any way the 97 Bulls beat the 2001 Lakers, one of the GOAT playoff teams w/ one of the GOAT peak players.

I think the reason why is because the only difference between the 97 Bulls teams and the 96 Bulls team was that Rodman was out more that year. The 97 Bulls team could've beat the 96 Bulls team record.

MJ was a bit worst tho, but not by too much. Pippen was more healthy during the playoffs too.

The 98 Bulls teams had injuries and they were old. They could still beat the 2000 Lakers team and vice versa. It would be a close series I think. But realistically, 2000 Laker Phil Jackson would probably have the advantage. He knows the Bulls more and while 98 PJ don't know the Lakers as well.

[97 bulls]

You're acting like Shaq wasn't a dominant force when the Bulls faced him in the 90s. A lot of Shaq's dominance in the early 2000s was due to him playing Rik Smits and Todd McCollough instead of Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing, etc and even Rodman like he did in the 90s.

They went head to head with the Magic being a more talented team than Shaq's Lakers (even though they went without Grant for 3 games) and the Bulls swept them. Shaq averaged about 11 boards per game to Rodman's 16.

Where exactly am I 'grasping'?
I've been saying this for the longest. Shaq was great during the Lakers threepeat, but a lot of his dominance can be contributed to the lack of dominant centers during that span.

[97 bulls]

I think the reason why is because the only difference between the 97 Bulls teams and the 96 Bulls team was that Rodman was out more that year. The 97 Bulls team could've beat the 96 Bulls team record.

MJ was a bit worst tho, but not by too much. Pippen was more healthy during the playoffs too.

The 98 Bulls teams had injuries and they were old. They could still beat the 2000 Lakers team and vice versa. It would be a close series I think. But realistically, 2000 Laker Phil Jackson would probably have the advantage. He knows the Bulls more and while 98 PJ don't know the Lakers as well.
Great points. Another thing that I've been preaching for the longest. I just dont see why.some people dismiss the 97 Bulls. They won 69 games for goodness sake. That is the second best record ever. That team was their most talented. They had Brian Williams comming off the bench and Jason Caffey played well in Rodmans absence. Williams would be a starter on a large amount of teams today. As a starter for the Pistons, he avg 17/9 on 50%. Theres no doubt that with a healthy Rodman and Williams there the whole season they win 75 games.

And the league was strong. Look at how many 50 win teams there were. As well as 60 win teams.

And the league was strong.

On thing I disagree with is your assessment of Jordan. I remember players saying he was better in 97 because he intentionally lost weight to get quicker. I remmeber Jordan saying he built up a lot of muscle mass for baseball and wanted to lose it for stamina and quickness.

[Micku]

Great points. Another thing that I've been preaching for the longest. I just dont see why.some people dismiss the 97 Bulls. They won 69 games for goodness sake. That is the second best record ever. That team was their most talented. They had Brian Williams comming off the bench and Jason Caffey played well in Rodmans absence. Williams would be a starter on a large amount of teams today. As a starter for the Pistons, he avg 17/9 on 50%. Theres no doubt that with a healthy Rodman and Williams there the whole season they win 75 games.

And the league was strong. Look at how many 50 win teams there were. As well as 60 win teams.

And the league was strong.

On thing I disagree with is your assessment of Jordan. I remember players saying he was better in 97 because he intentionally lost weight to get quicker. I remmeber Jordan saying he built up a lot of muscle mass for baseball and wanted to lose it for stamina and quickness.

Yeah. Very good point.

I do think we have to agree to disagree with MJ in 97 tho. But it's not really all that much different to me, so I guess it doesn't matter. In the playoffs tho, MJ was pretty bad at the 3pt shot. Shots that he made in 96.

[dude77]

bulls never lost a damn finals .. not picking against them .. fk the lakers and their choking asses

[97 bulls]

Yeah. Very good point.

I do think we have to agree to disagree with MJ in 97 tho. But it's not really all that much different to me, so I guess it doesn't matter. In the playoffs tho, MJ was pretty bad at the 3pt shot. Shots that he made in 96.
:cheers:

I remember Da Realist posting an interview with Jordan dated during the 96 season in which he says that athletically, hes lost about percent from where he was during the first threepeat.

Thats spawned a multi page debate because people disagreed. Kinda dumb cuz bottom line, there was that much of a difference. The biggest difference was style.

[97 bulls]

bulls never lost a damn finals .. not picking against them .. fk the lakers and their choking asses
Lol

[poido123]

derrick fisher
kobe Bryant
glen rice
horance grant
shaquile o neal

vs:coleman:
ron harper
Michael Jordan
scottie pippen
dennis rodman
luc longely

kobe wins?



Mods please ban this flyby troll.

He got his 100 posts only so he can poison the board with his stupid brain.

:facepalm