why couldnt michael jordan beat orlando magic in 1995?

[mark henson 123]

totally chocked at the end
got ball stolen from
him
turn the ball over
magic beat bulls in six
what a chocked artist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:coleman:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

:coleman: :coleman:

[20Four]

totally chocked at the end
got ball stolen from
him
turn the ball over
magic beat bulls in six
what a chocked artist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:coleman:
http://i.minus.com/ibgti7AVKxzTxu.gif

[mark henson 123]

http://i.minus.com/ibgti7AVKxzTxu.gif


I don't hate Michael Jordan
he needs to shut up and quit talking about LeBron james!
he also lost Detroit twice in 90 and 89!
he not the greatest
bill russel won 11 rings!:coleman:

[Smook A.]

http://i.minus.com/ibgti7AVKxzTxu.gif
Hey this is off topic but are you Johnny R?

[SamuraiSWISH]

Lack of stamina, and baseball legs to keep up his 30 point half performances. He had two of them in that series. He was rusty, bad timing, new teammates.

Oh, and Luc Longely blew a beautiful gift wrapped assist from MJ to end game 6 that would've sent the series to a 7th game.

[20Four]

Hey this is off topic but are you Johnny R?
lol Whos Johnny R son?

[Smook A.]

lol Whos Johnny R son?
Bro you guys look like twins

http://i.imgur.com/Vx0AQd3.png

[Roundball_Rock]

Horace Grant left--for Orlando--before the 1995 season. That left big void at PF--the Bulls did not even have a real PF (they started Kukoc at PF :roll: ). This is why the Bulls were desperate enough to gamble on the volatile Rodman before the 1996 season. The 90's Bulls formula was always Jordan+Pippen+a good PF+solid role players.

[Magic 32]

http://siextramustard.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/140207114946-michael-jordan-001284027final-single-image-cut.jpg?w=600&h=596

[20Four]

Bro you guys look like twins

http://i.imgur.com/Vx0AQd3.png
hahaha oh shit hahah his arms way too small mang, nah mang im not lol ill put my avy up again for you so you can see

Edit:

Hes also Mexican I think and I'm pacific Islander

[JT123]

Because contrary to what ESPN and Jordan stans would like you to believe, Jordan was human. People will try and say he wasn't in basketball shape, but his averages in that series were right on par with his career playoff averages. He simply lost his confidence in that Orlando series, and refused to shoot the ball down the stretch of game 6 as Orlando made their rally. People always wanna accuse Lebron of playing hot potato with the ball down the stretch of close games, well that is exactly what Jordan did in 95 when he kept trying to force the ball the Longley instead of taking matters into his own hands.

[Paul George 24]

Because contrary to what ESPN and Jordan stans would like you to believe, Jordan was human. People will try and say he wasn't in basketball shape, but his averages in that series were right on par with his career playoff averages. He simply lost his confidence in that Orlando series, and refused to shoot the ball down the stretch of game 6 as Orlando made their rally. People always wanna accuse Lebron of playing hot potato with the ball down the stretch of close games, well that is exactly what Jordan did in 95 when he kept trying to force the ball the Longley instead of taking matters into his own hands.

let's wait lebron take a year rest and didn't touch basketBALL :oldlol:

[JT123]

let's wait lebron take a year rest and didn't touch basketBALL :oldlol:
I never claimed Lebron would do better in a similar situation. :confusedshrug:
I'm just pointing out that Jordan wasn't some basketball god who never lacked confidence on the court, as the media is always trying to make people believe.

[jzek]

Retired for two years + No training camp + Came back in the middle of the year = out of basketball shape

The better question is -- what happened next year?

[pauk]

Lack of stamina, and baseball legs to keep up his 30 point half performances. He had two of them in that series. He was rusty, bad timing, new teammates.

Oh, and Luc Longely blew a beautiful gift wrapped assist from MJ to end game 6 that would've sent the series to a 7th game.

If you can play, you can play, if you are playing, you are playing... there is no excuse... its not like it was his 1st game since baseball anyways... and that bad timing, new teammates is an even worse excuse... hell, take Lebron who just recently had an entirely new roster, coach, offensive strategy, new role and chemistry problems etc. and nobody cared about that having a factor in 11' Finals.... he didnt do enough to win and neither did Jordan in 95... its as simple as that...

[Soundwave]

You can't take that much time off basketball, especially in your 30s and just come back playing with a lot of new teammates.

That and the Magic were a *DAMN* good team. They would win the title in this year's NBA pretty easily IMO.

Without Rodman, the Magic were better than the Bulls as a team from top to bottom.

[Legends66NBA7]

hell, take Lebron who just recently had an entirely new roster, coach, offensive strategy, new role and chemistry problems etc. and nobody cared about that having a factor in 11' Finals

James had a full training camp to get used to it, along with playing an entire season's worth of games and pretty unchallenged stretch in the East. Not remotely close to the same thing.

[oh the horror]

Because contrary to what ESPN and Jordan stans would like you to believe, Jordan was human. People will try and say he wasn't in basketball shape, but his averages in that series were right on par with his career playoff averages. He simply lost his confidence in that Orlando series, and refused to shoot the ball down the stretch of game 6 as Orlando made their rally. People always wanna accuse Lebron of playing hot potato with the ball down the stretch of close games, well that is exactly what Jordan did in 95 when he kept trying to force the ball the Longley instead of taking matters into his own hands.



Did you watch that series? I mean the entire series.


If you did, Mike looked to be the same Mike we saw just the next season when they continued to once again 3-peat ?


I suspect you did not.


Dude played 17 or so games coming into the playoffs. His averages being "about on par" doesn't mean shit dude. Yes he was human.



Is this the next agenda for Lebron stans? Attack Jordan ?

[Nuff Said]

Bro you guys look like twins

http://i.imgur.com/Vx0AQd3.png
Exposed

[Hey Yo]

Retired for two years + No training camp + Came back in the middle of the year = out of basketball shape

The better question is -- what happened next year?
No, the better question is why did he quit 2x when he had a chance to 4peat?

My guess is that the first time he did was because of money. He was still under his 8yr 25mil dollar contract, which was pennies compared to what others were starting to make. The Bulls wouldn't restructure, so he said fug it, I quit.

No sure why he quit the 2nd time with a chance to 4peat.

[TheMarkMadsen]

No, the better question is why did he quit 2x when he had a chance to 4peat?

My guess is that the first time he did was because of money. He was still under his 8yr 25mil dollar contract, which was pennies compared to what others were starting to make. The Bulls wouldn't restructure, so he said fug it, I quit.

No sure why he quit the 2nd time with a chance to 4peat.

the lock out played a massive part in this

[kamil]

Oh, and Luc Longely blew a beautiful gift wrapped assist from MJ to end game 6 that would've sent the series to a 7th game.

Here's the play:

http://youtu.be/ntwR8ZGmLJg?t=5m31s

MJ fvcked up on two plays as well though, got an airball and what looked like a bad pass to Longley.

[Hey Yo]

the lock out played a massive part in this
Yeah, you're probably right. Forgot about that.

[kamil]

No sure why he quit the 2nd time with a chance to 4peat.

There's a lot of reasons of why things went downhill in 1998 for the Bulls, but MJ actually wanted to keep the team together. Phil wanted out (which started it all), Pippen wasn't happy with how much he was making and lots of tension between Reinsdorf and Krause and the players.

[JT123]

Did you watch that series? I mean the entire series.


If you did, Mike looked to be the same Mike we saw just the next season when they continued to once again 3-peat ?


I suspect you did not.


Dude played 17 or so games coming into the playoffs. His averages being "about on par" doesn't mean shit dude. Yes he was human.



Is this the next agenda for Lebron stans? Attack Jordan ?
And scored 55 points in one of those games, so don't try and give me that "he wasn't in basketball shape" excuse. :rolleyes:
And if by attacking Jordan you mean not kissing his ass and making a bunch of weak excuses for him having some bad moments in the playoffs, then yes, I guess I am attacking him. :lol Jordan stans get so sensitive every time someone doesn't bow down to their god.

[jzek]

No, the better question is why did he quit 2x when he had a chance to 4peat?


The first 3-peat, he was bored of dominating, he had basketball burnout after the 3-peat and then the Olympics, his father was murdered the same year, plus there's also that David Stern tin foil hat theory (the one where Jordan was going to be banned due to [illegal] gambling so he stepped away so the investigation will be dropped in order to save his and the NBA's reputation). Add this all up and you can just imagine it's too much for one person in one year.

The second 3-peat, the Bulls owner (Reinsdorf?) was going to disband the team after the championship (think of what Cuban did to the Mavs after winning) because they were old and wanted to rebuild.

You would know this if you watched the NBA in the 90s.

[Hey Yo]

The first 3-peat, he was bored of dominating, he had basketball burnout after the 3-peat and then the Olympics, his father was murdered the same year, plus there's also that David Stern tin foil hat theory (the one where Jordan was going to be banned due to [illegal] gambling so he stepped away so the investigation will be dropped in order to save his and the NBA's reputation). Add this all up and you can just imagine it's too much for one person in one year.

The second 3-peat, the Bulls owner (Reinsdorf?) was going to disband the team after the championship (think of what Cuban did to the Mavs after winning) because they were old and wanted to rebuild.

You would know this if you watched the NBA in the 90s.
Thanks for the laugh. My theory as to why is much more reasonable and makes more sense.

I've been watching since the 80's, thank you.

[97 bulls]

Lack of stamina, and baseball legs to keep up his 30 point half performances. He had two of them in that series. He was rusty, bad timing, new teammates.

Oh, and Luc Longely blew a beautiful gift wrapped assist from MJ to end game 6 that would've sent the series to a 7th game.
Longley was fouled on that play.

[97 bulls]

If you can play, you can play, if you are playing, you are playing... there is no excuse... its not like it was his 1st game since baseball anyways... and that bad timing, new teammates is an even worse excuse... hell, take Lebron who just recently had an entirely new roster, coach, offensive strategy, new role and chemistry problems etc. and nobody cared about that having a factor in 11' Finals.... he didnt do enough to win and neither did Jordan in 95... its as simple as that...
I agree with everything you stated except for the new teammates thing. Other than Pippen and Armstrong, Jordan had never played with these guys before. And seventeen games in a playoff race is not the time to try to adjust. I believe most teams start practicing in August, then theres the preseason and the regular season of 82 games.

James situation was different. He had much more time to gel with his teammates. And honestly, it took a whole season for them to get accustomed to each other.

[LeBron 06]

No Rodman

[Dragonyeuw]

hell, take Lebron who just recently had an entirely new roster, coach, offensive strategy, new role and chemistry problems etc. and nobody cared about that having a factor in 11' Finals....

Which he had an opportunity to work out over the course of a full season. Don't know how good your memory is, but the Heat didn't exactly storm out of the gate over the first part of the 2011 season. What was inexplicable then, and still is, is how Lebron went from such epic play against Boston and Chicago( prompting Scottie Pippen to declare him the best ever).......... to his finals performance.

[Roundball_Rock]

Pippen never called Lebron the GOAT. What he said, which is true, is Lebron has a chance to go down as the GOAT.

It is true MJ got tired at the end of games but so did Pippen, who had not played baseball for th past 1 3/4 years. They simply had too much to do. A team is not going to win a title with their best rebounders being their SF and SG.

MJ averaged 32/7/5/2/1 on 48% in the playoffs. In his fifth game back he scored a much hyped 55 points at MSG. The Bulls lost because they were the inferior team and had no interior presence and had problems rebounding. Why do you think they gambled on Rodman? If all they needed was MJ to shake off his rust why incur such a risk?

[Young X]

He clearly wasn't himself. He averaged 27 on 41%/49 TS% when he came back. Those are not Jordan numbers, more like Wizards MJ numbers.

People don't understand that that was a close series, if the Bulls would've won game 1 they win that series. Jordan had one of his worst games in a Bulls uniform, and if it weren't for his uncharacteristic mistakes at the end they still would've won. Put a fully prepared MJ on that team and they win.

[Calabis]

If you can play, you can play, if you are playing, you are playing... there is no excuse... its not like it was his 1st game since baseball anyways... and that bad timing, new teammates is an even worse excuse... hell, take Lebron who just recently had an entirely new roster, coach, offensive strategy, new role and chemistry problems etc. and nobody cared about that having a factor in 11' Finals.... he didnt do enough to win and neither did Jordan in 95... its as simple as that...

Mfer had a whole season to play and work out those issues, ur analysis is pathetic. Jordan joined a .500 team for 17 games before playoffs, they were on the verge of not making the playoffs. But hey, blah, blah, blah

They've found that James has scored just 11 points in the fourth quarter in the Finals, which comes to an average of 2.2 points per game in that quarter, down from his average of 7.6 points in the previous three rounds this season. That means he's contributing less than a third of the scoring that he normally did heading into the series against Dallas.

But it gets worse. If we sharpen the focus to just crunch-time (less than five minutes remaining, score within five points), James' numbers fall off a cliff:
Perhaps most startling of all is LeBron James’ crunch-time absence in a series that has seen all five games decided late. When the score has been within five points in the last five minutes, James has yet to score in the series, missing all seven shots. Those numbers contrast sharply with Dirk Nowitzki's 26 crunch-time points on 8-13 shooting, not to mention the 34-point difference in plus-minus.

S & I informs us that James doesn't even have a crunch-time rebound either.

[Dragonyeuw]

Pippen never called Lebron the GOAT. What he said, which is true, is Lebron has a chance to go down as the GOAT.

?

What he said was 'Jordan is the greatest scorer, but he would go as far as to say that Lebron may be the greatest player'. He wasn't projecting down the road.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mAV32z8OxCY

[LeBird]

Because they didn't have a rebounding presence. They paid by underrating Grant a lot - he was critical to their success. The rest are just excuses.

[TheMarkMadsen]

If this doesn't convince you that Jordan isn't top 10, and that Lebron isn't goat and that the heat lost to the Mavs because of d wade then I don't know what will!!

[poido123]

I never claimed Lebron would do better in a similar situation. :confusedshrug:
I'm just pointing out that Jordan wasn't some basketball god who never lacked confidence on the court, as the media is always trying to make people believe.


This applies to any player who has a long break like MJ did and try and come back halfway through a season with no preseason. He was clearly rusty and Orlando players from that series suggested that he wasn't himself.

MJ the very next season SWEPT the same team and put any doubt to rest.

[Calabis]

Because they didn't have a rebounding presence. They paid by underrating Grant a lot - he was critical to their success. The rest are just excuses.

:applause:

Damn this is actually the truth and Jordan stated just as much, which is why he was glad to get Rodman

[poido123]

No Rodman


He won 3 titles without Rodman?

:no:

[poido123]

:applause:

Damn this is actually the truth and Jordan stated just as much, which is why he was glad to get Rodman


You guys try way too hard to find dirt on MJ. The guy won in every imaginable way and you STILL find ways to criticise the GOAT.

Just stop.

[LeBron 06]

He won 3 titles without Rodman?

:no:



No Rodman or Grant...

[navy]

He lost. Get over it. Still the GOAT.

[poido123]

No Rodman or Grant...


No wade or bosh? no Kareem or worthy? no parish or McHale?

All the greats need help. Not all the greats choked like 2011 while having great teammates like Lebron did :rolleyes: (this is directed at this poster only)

[LeBron 06]

No wade or bosh? no Kareem or worthy? no parish or McHale?

All the greats need help. Not all the greats choked like 2011 while having great teammates like Lebron did :rolleyes:



It's just that the bulls were not the same team without Grant or Rodman, which is normal...I say nothing against Michael Jordan

[Hey Yo]

This applies to any player who has a long break like MJ did and try and come back halfway through a season with no preseason. He was clearly rusty and Orlando players from that series suggested that he wasn't himself.

MJ the very next season SWEPT the same team and put any doubt to rest.
He avg. 31ppg. that series. Are you suggesting that's because he was rusty? He would have avg. like 45ppg if not rusty?

[poido123]

It's just that the bulls were not the same team without Grant or Rodman, which is normal...I say nothing against Michael Jordan


Ok.

Hard to read whether someone is trolling or just suggesting something.

Of course, I'd gather any team that had an important player missing wouldn't be the same either. It goes without saying.

Some people in this thread are trying to find something on him and discredit his unbelievable knack of winning.

[Warfan]

They didn't have an interior defensive presence nor good rebounding. Which is why rodman was key the following year, along with Horace going down.

[Calabis]

You guys try way too hard to find dirt on MJ. The guy won in every imaginable way and you STILL find ways to criticise the GOAT.

Just stop.

:facepalm

I'm a huge Jordan supporter, if you think LeBird said anything wrong about the Grant issue, then you are being silly.

First off, Jordan was not in great basketball shape

Nick Anderson comments: "No. 45 [the number Jordan wore last year] doesn't explode like No. 23 used to," Anderson said after a poor performance by Jordan during last year's playoffs. "No. 23, he could just blow by you. He took off like a space shuttle. No. 45, he revs up, but he doesn't really take off."

as far as the lack of a solid PF

The Bulls' playoff loss to the Magic last season had more to do with a lack of a power forward to bang with Orlando's Grant than Jordan's poor play. Which is why the Bulls in the off-season traded for Rodman.

[poido123]

He avg. 31ppg. that series. Are you suggesting that's because he was rusty? He would have avg. like 45ppg if not rusty?

Was all of his lateral quickness back to defend at 100%? Was he able to sustain defensive intensity like he would on the back of a preseason and full regular season?

He swept the same opponent the next year. Don't you think that counts for something?

I mean, if I had a broken leg and I was playing with no conditioning in the playoffs, don't you think I would have excuses to not performing well?

Of course I would.

Same goes for MJ. No preseaseason, 2 years out, 31 years old, comes back only 17 games before playoffs.

I don't care how good you are, you can't return all the way back to what you were with such limited preparation and time away from a physically demanding league. You just can't.

[poido123]

:facepalm

I'm a huge Jordan supporter, if you think LeBird said anything wrong about the Grant issue, then you are being silly.

First off, Jordan was not in great basketball shape

Nick Anderson comments: "No. 45 [the number Jordan wore last year] doesn't explode like No. 23 used to," Anderson said after a poor performance by Jordan during last year's playoffs. "No. 23, he could just blow by you. He took off like a space shuttle. No. 45, he revs up, but he doesn't really take off."

as far as the lack of a solid PF

The Bulls' playoff loss to the Magic last season had more to do with a lack of a power forward to bang with Orlando's Grant than Jordan's poor play. Which is why the Bulls in the off-season traded for Rodman.



I overreacted to some comments.

I realise that now, I apologise.

You get so much trolling on here SIMILAR to what he said but in slightly different form, so immediately you think someone is trolling.

As for LeBird, he's had an agenda in other discussions and threads against MJ and the Bulls, so it's hard to take him seriously.

Thanks for bringing that quote up, that was what I was alluding to when I suggested that orlando players had remarked on MJ not being himself.

[Prometheus]

because he was wearing #45

btw, what do you guys think about 15 for over/under on OP's age? lack of respect for MJ combined with his poor English tells me he's about 15

EDIT: shit I guess I was wrong. he was wearing 23 coulda sworn he didn't change back until offseason. oh well

[Roundball_Rock]

EDIT: shit I guess I was wrong. he was wearing 23 coulda sworn he didn't change back until offseason. oh well

He changed back to #23 in the midst of the Orlando series.

[Prometheus]

He changed back to #23 in the midst of the Orlando series.

Maybe the metaphysical power that his lucky number gave him takes like 4-5 weeks to have an effect, sort of like when someone starts taking anti-psychotics.

[Calabis]

I overreacted to some comments.

I realise that now, I apologise.

You get so much trolling on here SIMILAR to what he said but in slightly different form, so immediately you think someone is trolling.

As for LeBird, he's had an agenda in other discussions and threads against MJ and the Bulls, so it's hard to take him seriously.

Thanks for bringing that quote up, that was what I was alluding to when I suggested that orlando players had remarked on MJ not being himself.

Yeah I hear you, the trolling of MJ is comical on here.