Who A Better Defender Kobe(Prime) Or Lebron?

[aboss4real24]

PPL Always Talk about there o# , scoring n passing

wat about there d#

who do u guys think is the better defender ?

[fpliii]

http://www.nationalturk.com/en/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/lebron-kobe-us-olympics-basketball-team-2012-london-558x360.jpg
Tim Duncan

[LongLiveTheKing]

LeBron easily and can guard more players.

[lilteapot]

Tough. When they're both locked in, they're both terrific defenders and almost impossible to get a shot off on. I'm going with Kobe though, since Lebron gambles the passing lanes way too much for my liking and tends to get lost on defense. Kobe has the superior footwork also so it's harder for defenders to shake him in one on one situations. Kobe isn't the most engaged defender also though so it's tough.

[leMVP]

Lebron could guard Kobe, Kobe couldn't guard Lebron (and pls no Kobe stan post the crap AS blocks -it was an all star game for god sake-)

[AnaheimLakers24]

the bean

[Micku]

Kobe 2000 was his peak defensively imo.

What's LBJ peak? 2013 or 2012?

[AnaheimLakers24]

Lebron could guard Kobe, Kobe couldn't guard Lebron (and pls no Kobe stan post the crap AS blocks -it was an all star game for god sake-)
translation: doesnt count cause it proves im wrong





























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[Rocketswin2013]

Team: LeBron

On ball: Kobe

[JT123]

The one that can guard all 5 positions. Has anyone ever seen Kobe shut down big Al like Lebron did last season?

[sammichoffate]

Gimme Kobe by barely

[GODbe]

Lebron could guard Kobe, Kobe couldn't guard Lebron (and pls no Kobe stan post the crap AS blocks -it was an all star game for god sake-)
http://www.landinails.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/kobe-bryant-blocks-lebron-james-ernns1ai.gif
http://37.media.tumblr.com/fb7cda7af67162ff51b05829f44301f8/tumblr_n14euzsAHI1qcmnsoo2_400.gif
:roll: :roll:

[leMVP]

translation: doesnt count cause it proves im wrong





























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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHjtGMqm9o8

Your point?

[sportjames23]

http://www.nationalturk.com/en/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/lebron-kobe-us-olympics-basketball-team-2012-london-558x360.jpg
Tim Duncan


Damn Lebron got an ugly laugh. :oldlol:

[leMVP]

a Gif for lazy people

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/424273/lebron-blocks-kobe-dunk-o.gif

Defense isn't just blocks, Lebron when locked in can make any player's life misrable, imagine a more atheltic, bigger Scottie Pippen, that's scary.

Kobe was great also, but in his recent years playing as The man he wasn't good defensively.

Deal with it people.

[JT123]

translation: doesnt count cause it proves im wrong





























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Why didn't Kobe do this in the 2 regular season games that year in which Lebron torched the Lakers? :oldlol:
Keep bragging about some exhibition game doe. :applause:

[Mure]

LeBron.

[Kingwillball]

http://www.landinails.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/kobe-bryant-blocks-lebron-james-ernns1ai.gif
http://37.media.tumblr.com/fb7cda7af67162ff51b05829f44301f8/tumblr_n14euzsAHI1qcmnsoo2_400.gif
:roll: :roll:

Head to in real games Lebron had his way and shut Kobe down in crunch time.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Head to in real games Lebron had his way and shut Kobe down in crunch time.

oh really?

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/5-31-2014/C4DyX7.gif

game winner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcMCA_sJuTo

[zoom17]

Lebron is more versatile but Kobe was a great defender to in his prime.

[JebronLames]

Playoffs and regular season - LeBron

All star game - Bean

[zoom17]

Playoffs and regular season - LeBron

All star game - Bean

:lol

[leMVP]

There's a reason why Miami is ranked a top defensive team in last 3-4 years, With being Lebron in DPOY discussions last couple of years.

He was totally robbed of a DPOY in 2012.

Why Kobe wasn't even put there once during his prime?

[GODbe]

oh really?

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/5-31-2014/C4DyX7.gif

game winner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcMCA_sJuTo
GOAT gonna GOAT. :applause:

[PJR]

Kobe isn't even in same stratosphere as LeBron in terms of impact on defense. The main reason why the Heat can get away with playing with no size, thus allowing more shooting on the court, is because of LeBron's versatility on that end. He covers so much ground it's ridiculous.

[TheMarkMadsen]

There's a reason why Miami is ranked a top defensive team in last 3-4 years, With being Lebron in DPOY discussions last couple of years.

He was totally robbed of a DPOY in 2012.

Why Kobe wasn't even put there once during his prime?


uhh what?

Kobe was top 5 in DPOY voting multiple times, and was receiving first place votes..

in 2002 there were only 4 people on the DPOY ballot

Ben Wallace
Kevin Garnett
Kobe Bryant
Dikembe Mutombo

Kobe received a first place vote in that group..

having to battle prime Ben Wallace, KG, Duncan, Shaq, & Mutombo every year for DPOY is a lot tougher than when your main competition is Marc Gasol & Tyson chandler & Serge Ibaka

[Natureland]

Team: LeBron

On ball: Kobe
Pretty much this.

[Quickening]

What the fck does Kobe prime mean? Kobe was literally an elite defender for about 2-3 years... since 03, he has been a lazy defender, trying his hardest for 5 min bursts, as stated by his own coach and has been no where near the level Lebron has been at since he came into the league.

[Milbuck]

Lebron is an absolute nightmare as a team/help defender, but younger Kobe was the more tenacious man defender. It depends on what your team needs, you really can't go wrong with either.

[aboss4real24]

:roll:
Playoffs and regular season - LeBron

All star game - Bean

[Cold soul]

Team: LeBron

On ball: Kobe

This ^^^. But overall I give Kobe the slight edge.

[inclinerator]

kobe is the better man to man probably, lebron is more impactful overall, look at game where he doesnt score he still dominates

[sportjames23]

kobe is the better man to man probably, lebron is more impactful overall, look at game where he doesnt score he still dominates

Game 5 vs the Pacers?

[dubeta]

Simple question, if Kobe was on the Heat instead of LeBron is Miami still a good defensive team? Can Kobe hide the fact that the main interior defenders are Bosherella and 6'8 35 year old battier? Hell no, they probably get blown out every game.

Kobe has had Gilbert Arenas drop 60 on him, and has had Tmac, and A.I all have huge games on him, in his prime.

Who has even dropped 50 on LeBron?

Its LeBron and its not even close, smh kobe stans these days :facepalm

[LongLiveTheKing]

Game 5 vs the Pacers?
He had a game saving block on Hill if they would've won.
They were going to go down 6 and ended being down 1.

[Warfan]

I think this is lebron quite comfortably IMO. Good on ball defender (can arguably be the best/one of the best in the league when he is locked in) and is a GREAT team defender.

[Inferno]

What inclinerator said

[jstern]

I would have to go with Lebron. Though Kobe does step up his defense in the All Star game. No one puts as much effort in their defense during the All Star game.

[Prometheus]

People believe LeBron is a better team defender and Kobe is a better man defender, but really LeBron is better at both. He has been for a long time, even before he was known for his defense.

Kobe Stans - do me a favor. Find me some footage of Kobe scoring on LeBron. Whenever they've matched up in the RS, LBJ guards him quite a bit. I am not sure in all the years they've been in the league together that Kobe has EVER actually taken LeBron one-on-one. He scores on him by hitting contested turnaround jumpers. LeBron's defense on him, individually speaking, has been superb even since LeBron was in his second or third year.

[TheMarkMadsen]

People believe LeBron is a better team defender and Kobe is a better man defender, but really LeBron is better at both. He has been for a long time, even before he was known for his defense.

Kobe Stans - do me a favor. Find me some footage of Kobe scoring on LeBron. Whenever they've matched up in the RS, LBJ guards him quite a bit. I am not sure in all the years they've been in the league together that Kobe has EVER actually taken LeBron one-on-one. He scores on him by hitting contested turnaround jumpers. LeBron's defense on him, individually speaking, has been superb even since LeBron was in his second or third year.

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/5-31-2014/C4DyX7.gif

[J Shuttlesworth]

it really depends on who you're covering. Kobe does have good footwork/lateral movement in his prime, but LeBron has the size and is fast as ****. LeBron is a better fast break defender, and help defender in the half court, but Kobe might have been slightly better on the perimeter. However if it's a tall perimeter player like Durant, I'd rather have Bron cover him than Kobe.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Team: LeBron

On ball: Kobe

Actually agree with this, speaking of peaks/primes.

[Prometheus]

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/5-31-2014/C4DyX7.gif

Guess you didn't read the rest of my post then. Though this one isn't a turnaround, literally every time Kobe has... ever... scored on LeBron, it was on a very well-defended jumper. I'm not even hating on the bean, he might be the best "contested-shot" maker ever. My point was that LeBron always defended him very, very well even when Kobe was able to score.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Guess you didn't read the rest of my post then. Though this one isn't a turnaround, literally every time Kobe has... ever... scored on LeBron, it was on a very well-defended jumper. I'm not even hating on the bean, he might be the best "contested-shot" maker ever. My point was that LeBron always defended him very, very well even when Kobe was able to score.

you asked for a regular season game where Kobe scored on Lebron that wasn't a fadeaway or tunr around jumper

I provided you with exactly what you asked for

[JohnFreeman]

Kobe gambled way too much on defense. Played the GOAT defense against that rape charge doe

[Prometheus]

you asked for a regular season game where Kobe scored on Lebron that wasn't a fadeaway or tunr around jumper

I provided you with exactly what you asked for

lol okay okay madsen. although technically he was slightly fading on that shot :confusedshrug:

are you able to find a play in which he actually beat LeBron to get himself a shot that was not extremely well-defended? I honestly don't think it's ever happened - they were my two favorite players growing up and I have watched every game they've ever played against one another. LeBron defends him perfectly every time

[SamuraiSWISH]

Versatility: LeBron (guards PG - PF)
Rotation Team Defense: LeBron
On Ball Defender: EASILY Kobe
Overall: LeBron

[JohnFreeman]

lol okay okay madsen. although technically he was slightly fading on that shot :confusedshrug:

are you able to find a play in which he actually beat LeBron to get himself a shot that was not extremely well-defended? I honestly don't think it's ever happened - they were my two favorite players growing up and I have watched every game they've ever played against one another. LeBron defends him perfectly every time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7e4a9EFDjg

[TheMarkMadsen]

lol okay okay madsen. although technically he was slightly fading on that shot :confusedshrug:

are you able to find a play in which he actually beat LeBron to get himself a shot that was not extremely well-defended? I honestly don't think it's ever happened - they were my two favorite players growing up and I have watched every game they've ever played against one another. LeBron defends him perfectly every time

:lol you took an L on that, just accept it

and I'd really like to know how Kobe shooting these fadeaways over Lebron "doesn't count"

considering Kobe has made a career of hitting these shots

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FR4en4IEuZo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7z67RNMkKo

:confusedshrug:

[Prometheus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7e4a9EFDjg

exactly

[TheMarkMadsen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7e4a9EFDjg

according to him that doesn't count because it's a fadeaway and apparently when you hit a fadeaway on the defender it means the defender wasn't guarding you :confusedshrug:

[Prometheus]

:lol you took an L on that, just accept it

and I'd really like to know how Kobe shooting these fadeaways over Lebron "doesn't count"

considering Kobe has made a career of hitting these shots

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FR4en4IEuZo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7z67RNMkKo

:confusedshrug:

Dude you're missing the point. This thread is about their defense - there is a myth that Kobe was a better man defender, and I'm using LeBron's defense on Kobe as evidence that he is as good a man defender as we have. Kobe has been the best one-on-one scorer in the world for pretty much his entire career, and in all the games he's ever played against LeBron, he's never been able to actually BEAT him as a defender and get off a high quality shot. He hits some extremely well-defended, contested jumpers... because he's Kobe. If this thread were about their ability to hit contested shots, I would say Kobe wins in a landslide. But the clips you provided are only evidence for my case that LeBron plays almost perfect defense on Bean.

[Prometheus]

according to him that doesn't count because it's a fadeaway and apparently when you hit a fadeaway on the defender it means the defender wasn't guarding you :confusedshrug:

No it means he was defending you perfectly and you just hit a really tough shot. Don't be so dense man, when you pick Kobe over LeBron 100% of the time in every aspect of the game you are obviously just biased and ignorant. The point is that LeBron's defense on Kobe has always been excellent and you are unable to prove otherwise.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

http://www.landinails.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/kobe-bryant-blocks-lebron-james-ernns1ai.gif
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:roll: :roll:
second was such a foul
other angle showed kobrick trying to rip out lebrons shooting arm in an allstar game
dat competetivenes :facepalm :facepalm

[plowking]

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/5-31-2014/C4DyX7.gif

That is a perfectly defended play.

Anyway, I don't see why people have never given Bron credit for his man to man defense. He's a beast. You don't shut down Parker and Rose by being a average man to man defender.
He's one of the best man defenders ever.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Versatility: LeBron (guards PG - PF)
Rotation Team Defense: LeBron
On Ball Defender: EASILY Kobe
Overall: LeBron
lebron is WAY better on ball when locked in
he constantly completely shut down player who every said were unguardable when he really was locked in:applause:

[Prometheus]

That is a perfectly defended play.

Anyway, I don't see why people have never given Bron credit for his man to man defense. He's a beast. You don't shut down Parker and Rose by being a average man to man defender.
He's one of the best man defenders ever.

plowking gets it.

I'm willing to bet Madsen is furiously searching youtube and old game recaps at this very moment trying to find just one instance in which kobe actually beat LeBron with footwork or quickness to try and make me look foolish.

[Droid101]

uhh what?

Kobe was top 5 in DPOY voting multiple times, and was receiving first place votes..

in 2002 there were only 4 people on the DPOY ballot

Ben Wallace
Kevin Garnett
Kobe Bryant
Dikembe Mutombo

Kobe received a first place vote in that group..

having to battle prime Ben Wallace, KG, Duncan, Shaq, & Mutombo every year for DPOY is a lot tougher than when your main competition is Marc Gasol & Tyson chandler & Serge Ibaka
Once again, you shut up the liars. Good show.

[aboss4real24]

lebron is a better on ball defender than Kobe

[SamuraiSWISH]

lebron is WAY better on ball when locked in
As is Kobe in terms of team defense. But it's not the norm. Not to say LeBron isn't a very good man defender. Because he absolutely is ... I've seen him lock up great players. But consistently, and tenacity wise I've always considered Kobe the better on ball defender. Especially in his prime. He moved much quicker laterally than LeBron has ever been able to do.

[SamuraiSWISH]

I'm willing to bet Madsen is furiously searching youtube and old game recaps at this very moment trying to find just one instance in which kobe actually beat LeBron with footwork or quickness to try and make me look foolish.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r1VM0DIHLA

[AintNoSunshine]

When has Kobe ever anchor a defense like Lebron has for years

[Prometheus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r1VM0DIHLA

lol I stand corrected... sort of. it's like you guys are finding loopholes in my requests. I ask for footage of him scoring when it's not a turnaround or a fade... so madsen gives me a perfectly defended sort-of-fade jumper. I ask for kobe beating LeBron with footwork, and you give me kobe getting a step on him but not being able to score because LeBron still had position to recover and help was there. but whatever, you got me.

[JohnFreeman]

I don't think either of them is better then the other :confusedshrug:

[Prometheus]

It really was a nice crossover though. Not trying to hate but I think it's funny and kind of ironic that even the clip that proved me wrong kind of showed a perfect example of why LeBron is a superior player. Kobe pulls a flashy move to try and shake his defender, then takes an ill-advised shot and misses... LeBron takes the ball down the other end, makes the simple play to the open shooter for three points.

Really though, it was a good move :oldlol:

[TheMarkMadsen]

plowking gets it.

I'm willing to bet Madsen is furiously searching youtube and old game recaps at this very moment trying to find just one instance in which kobe actually beat LeBron with footwork or quickness to try and make me look foolish.

nope i'm watching the OKC game

but i can make you look foolish while i'm at it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ3C3jvTXIM

[Prometheus]

nope i'm watching the OKC game

but i can make you look foolish while i'm at it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ3C3jvTXIM

now THAT'S what I'm talking about. well played.

I stand by my original point because this is the only exception I've ever seen, but congratulations you officially proved me wrong.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Lebron. Rather easily.

[TheMarkMadsen]

now THAT'S what I'm talking about. well played.

I stand by my original point because this is the only exception I've ever seen, but congratulations you officially proved me wrong.

why'd you have to respond before i made a gif of it :cry:

[SamuraiSWISH]

I ask for kobe beating LeBron with footwork, and you give me kobe getting a step on him
Ummm, he beat LeBron precisely because of very elite footwork, and ball fake with the dribble in the post. Then ontop of it crosses him over.

Kobe literally shook him up with both footwork, post game, and his handle. I answered your question perfectly.


but not being able to score because LeBron still had position to recover and help was there.
He wasn't able to score because of help defense, not LeBron.

And in typical Kobe fashion, instead of completing the nice play of breaking LeBron's ankles, and dumping it off to the open man ...

He jacks up a stupid, fall away contested shot.


but whatever, you got me.
There ya go, that wasn't hard to admit.

It happens to the best of everyone. As a great defender, you have to risk being embarrassed by any player, not just great ones. The mental toughness to recover and still shut them down is the true worth of a great defender.

[PickernRoller]

2003-2004 Kobe Byrant. 2008 maybe.

Lebron is a great help defender but overall his one on one defense leaves a lot to be desired.

[Prometheus]

Ummm, he beat LeBron precisely because of very elite footwork, and ball fake with the dribble in the post. Then ontop of it crosses him over.

Kobe literally shook him up with both footwork, post game, and his handle. I answered your question perfectly.


He wasn't able to score because of help defense, not LeBron.

And in typical Kobe fashion, instead of completing the nice play of breaking LeBron's ankles, and dumping it off to the open man ...

He jacks up a stupid, fall away contested shot.


There ya go, that wasn't hard to admit.

It happens to the best of everyone. As a great defender, you have to risk being embarrassed by any player, not just great ones. The mental toughness to recover and still shut them down is the true worth of a great defender.

Madsen actually just gave a much better example, it was a beautiful move.

As much as I firmly believe LeBron is a much better player, I have always agreed that Kobe was more fun to watch. The move madsen linked was just sheer genius, beautiful individual basketball.

[Doctor Rivers]

I would have to go with Lebron. Though Kobe does step up his defense in the All Star game. No one puts as much effort in their defense during the All Star game.

Already done earlier in the thread. Try again.

[Xiao Yao You]

Lebron. Kobe was overrated on D.

[pauk]

Both had epic man-to-man D when truly turning it on, very smart defenders aswell, reading passing lanes, anticipating and all.... i give Lebron the edge though only because he is more versatile, the extra size/athleticism allows him to do that to almost any positions/players or just have better help defense

[SamuraiSWISH]

Madsen actually just gave a much better example, it was a beautiful move.
Dude you already admitted I was right. Then you argue otherwise? Like ... WTF is the point of that? I gave you the PERFECT example in video of what you were arguing has never happened.

And no he didn't, that was a simple behind the back dribble. Not nearly as complicated of foot work, handle or mechanics of the play I posted. One where LeBron got broke off twice in the same play.

LeBron didn't even get shook really in the clip Madsen posted. Not near like he did on the play I posted, twice. It was really just kind of a blow by move. Notice in mine the commentator mentions the multiple fancy moves, and even in MIAMI ... the crowd reacts with "ooohs and ahhhs" when he did it.

The other move didn't even get that reaction in LA. Why? Because Kobe didn't really break his ankles, or fake him out.

I could post a clip of LeBron making Kobe fall with a spin move if it makes you less salty. But it's quite clear you don't get what you're watching anyway, so I'll pass.

[Prometheus]

Dude you already admitted I was right. Then you argue otherwise? Like ... WTF is the point of that? I gave you the PERFECT example in video of what you were arguing has never happened.

And no he didn't, that was a simple behind the back dribble. Not nearly as complicated of foot work, handle or mechanics of the play I posted. One where LeBron got broke off twice in the same play.

LeBron didn't even get shook really in the clip Madsen posted. Not near like he did on the play I posted, twice. It was really just kind of a blow by move. Notice in mine the commentator mentions the multiple fancy moves, and even in MIAMI ... the crowd reacts with "ooohs and ahhhs" when he did it.

The other move didn't even get that reaction in LA. Why? Because Kobe didn't really break his ankles, or fake him out.

I could post a clip of LeBron making Kobe fall with a spin move if it makes you less salty. But it's quite clear you don't get what you're watching anyway, so I'll pass.

:blah :blah :blah

[Paul George 24]

Lebron could guard Kobe, Kobe couldn't guard Lebron (and pls no Kobe stan post the crap AS blocks -it was an all star game for god sake-)

kobe is a better lock down defender:rockon:

[Paul George 24]

The one that can guard all 5 positions. Has anyone ever seen Kobe shut down big Al like Lebron did last season?

lebron can't defend duncan,end thread

[Prometheus]

lebron can't defend duncan,end thread

He would do a better job of it than Kobe would...

Resume thread.

[andgar923]

Bron isn't a liability, nor as inconsistent as Kobe. I also don't recall Kobe having near the same impact as Bron.

Kobe is also a lazier defender more often than Bron.

And to be blunt.... The fact that they're even compared is a joke.

[Paul George 24]

He would do a better job of it than Kobe would...

Resume thread.

lebron never lock down anyone

[Prometheus]

lebron never lock down anyone

The fact that you would say this just means you either don't pay attention or you're too filled with hatred to recognize what you're seeing.

It also has nothing to do with my point, which is that LeBron would do a hell of a lot better job on Duncan than Kobe would.

You okay?

[Inferno]

Madsen actually just gave a much better example, it was a beautiful move.

As much as I firmly believe LeBron is a much better player, I have always agreed that Kobe was more fun to watch. The move madsen linked was just sheer genius, beautiful individual basketball.

LeBron is much better than Kobe?