Kobe Stan's worst fears come true tonight...

[Cocaine80s]

Both Duncan and Lebron in the finals. Whoever wins is clearly above Kobe all time no argument :oldlol:

[raprap]

Damn :oldlol:

[Beastmode88]

Damn. LOL

[Brook(lyn)Lopez]

What about D-Wade if he wins a FMVP?

[DaSeba5]

:lol

[Rocketswin2013]

What about D-Wade if he wins a FMVP?
Tony Parker with a FMVP this year:2 FMVP'S, 4 rings.

[MavsSuperFan]

somewhat a kobe and duncan stan.

If i was a kobe stan I would be rooting for the spurs. At this point I dont think a ring adds as much to duncan as it does to lebron's legacy

[theoneneo]

:lol

Fools, you Lebron stans are so petty... You spend half the the time saying Kobe isn't even top 10, then contradict yourself saying that if either Lebron or Duncan(two top ten players) wins another ring then they'll leapfrog Kobe for sure, who according to most of you Kobe haters, he isn't even a top 10 player to begin with :biggums:

So what you're really saying is that Kobe is already borderline top 5

[tpols]

Same shit was said last year:facepalm

Two words. Ray Allen.

[Cocaine80s]

:lol

Fools, you Lebron stans are so petty... You spend half the the time saying Kobe isn't even top 10, then contradict yourself saying that if either Lebron or Duncan(two top ten players) wins another ring then they'll leapfrog Kobe for sure, who according to most of you Kobe haters, he isn't even a top 10 player to begin with :biggums:

So what you're really saying is that Kobe is already borderline top 5
u stans keep overrating him. What im saying is that if either lebron or duncan wins, there is no argument of kobe being above them. So u losers cant say shit anymore :lol

[jstern]

Duncan has always been ahead of him. How is it that he was clearly ahead of him 3 years ago, then with all the sweeps, bad playoff performances, choking, and suddenly so many stans say he's ahead of Duncan?

[CelticBaller]

Same shit was said last year:facepalm

Yup

[Prometheus]

nope, okc is gonna come back. just watch

[PickernRoller]

u stans keep overrating him. What im saying is that if either lebron or duncan wins, there is no argument of kobe being above them. So u losers cant say shit anymore :lol

Sure b1sh.....logic ain't your strong suit fakkit.

Kobe is Top 6. Those two fakkits are still hoping to get a solid spot inside the Top 10. These circle jerk threads where every LeStan gathers to spout the same crap is as old as ISH itself.

[Im so nba'd out]

Both Duncan and Lebron in the finals. Whoever wins is clearly above Kobe all time no argument :oldlol:
Only on ish where winning another ring moves you above kobe all time no argument.

[theoneneo]

u stans keep overrating him. What im saying is that if either lebron or duncan wins, there is no argument of kobe being above them. So u losers cant say shit anymore :lol

You can't overrate a player with 30k points and 5 championship rings is my point. People who argue against that are insane, only two other players in league history have accomplished that, and both are sitting in the top 2, but suddenly Kobe is overrated and is borderline top10 according to you... explain.

[CelticBaller]

Only on ish where winning another ring moves you above kobe all time no argument.
Kobe is overrated

[TheMarkMadsen]

Duncan has always been ahead of him. How is it that he was clearly ahead of him 3 years ago, then with all the sweeps, bad playoff performances, choking, and suddenly so many stans say he's ahead of Duncan?


The other is Tim Duncan’s much less talked about but increasingly possible takedown of Kobe Bryant’s standing as his era’s best player.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/when-legacies-collide-lebron-james-tim-duncan-forging-theirs-as-we-watch-052714

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1999516-kobe-bryant-and-tim-duncan-chase-the-same-nba-greatness-in-very-different-ways


apparently not

Duncan is chasing Kobe, not the other way around.

[DMV2]

Both are already better than Kob ever was. :oldlol:

[Kiddlovesnets]

Duncan was always been ahead of Kobe, why would kobestan even worry about this? Its like Jordan came back to win his 7th ring, which had little to do with Kobe's legacy.

[Noob Saibot]

kobtards don't wanna admit this...

http://i.imgur.com/wnifAGi.jpg

[Quizno]

people who argue over this are straight up losers. get a better hobby. you guys are internet warriors arguing like kids over things that nobody cares about :facepalm

[Ne 1]

Kobe haters worst fear already came true June 14 2009. The whole "Kobe will never/would have never won without Shaq" argument was forever put to rest.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe haters worst fear already came true June 14 2009. The whole "Kobe will never/would have never won without Shaq" argument was forever put to rest.


b b b but that was a fluke, it will never happen again


:kobe:

[Cold soul]

b b b but that was a fluke, it will never happen again


:kobe:

Then the repeat happened. :oldlol:

[jstern]

kobtards don't wanna admit this...

http://i.imgur.com/wnifAGi.jpg

And these stans are not trying to convince the casual fan that Kobe is ahead of Duncan?

[Ne 1]

And these stans are not trying to convince the casual fan that Kobe is ahead of Duncan?
You act like it's absurd and he has no case.

6 players in NBA history have averaged 30+ ppg in the playoffs on route to a championship:

LeBron James
Kobe Bryant
Shaquille O'Neal
Hakeem Olajuwon
Michael Jordan
Kareem Abdul Jabbar

4 Players in NBA history have won back-to-back Finals MVPs:
Michael Jordan
Hakeem Olajuwon
Shaquille O'Neal
Kobe Bryant

5 players in NBA history have scored 30,000+ points
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Karl Malone
Michael Jordan
Kobe Bryant
Wilt Chamberlain

6 players in NBA history have averaged 30-5-5 for multiple seasons:
Wilt Chamberlain
Oscar Robertson
Jerry West
Michael Jordan
Kobe Bryant
LeBron James

Players in NBA history who have averaged over 35+ PPG for a season in NBA history:
Wilt Chamberlain
Elgin Baylor
Rick Barry
Michael Jordan
Kobe Bryant

Kobe has always been in the top 2-3 for shooting guards in both rebounding and assists.

Kobe is the only SG in NBA history to lead his team in assists for 10 seasons.
99-00,00-01,01-02,02-03,04-05,06-07,07-08,08-09,09-10,10-11

98-99, 03-04, 12-13: 0.4 APG/0.7 APG behind Harper/Payton/Nash - nearly 13 seasons

Playoff Assists amongst non-point guards:
Larry Bird 1062
Scottie Pippen 1048
Kobe Bryant 1040

Career playoff scoring leaders:
Michael Jordan: 5,987
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 5,762
Kobe Bryant: 5,640

Guards with the most All-Defensive 1st team selections:
Michael Jordan 9

[jstern]

[QUOTE=Ne 1]You act like it's absurd and he has no case.

6 players in NBA history have averaged 30+ ppg in the playoffs on route to a championship:

LeBron James
Kobe Bryant
Shaquille O'Neal
Hakeem Olajuwon
Michael Jordan
Kareem Abdul Jabbar

4 Players in NBA history have won back-to-back Finals MVPs:
Michael Jordan
Hakeem Olajuwon
Shaquille O'Neal
Kobe Bryant

5 players in NBA history have scored 30,000+ points
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Karl Malone
Michael Jordan
Kobe Bryant
Wilt Chamberlain

6 players in NBA history have averaged 30-5-5 for multiple seasons:
Wilt Chamberlain
Oscar Robertson
Jerry West
Michael Jordan
Kobe Bryant
LeBron James

Players in NBA history who have averaged over 35+ PPG for a season in NBA history:
Wilt Chamberlain
Elgin Baylor
Rick Barry
Michael Jordan
Kobe Bryant

Kobe has always been in the top 2-3 for shooting guards in both rebounding and assists.

Kobe is the only SG in NBA history to lead his team in assists for 10 seasons.
99-00,00-01,01-02,02-03,04-05,06-07,07-08,08-09,09-10,10-11

98-99, 03-04, 12-13: 0.4 APG/0.7 APG behind Harper/Payton/Nash - nearly 13 seasons

Playoff Assists amongst non-point guards:
Larry Bird 1062
Scottie Pippen 1048
Kobe Bryant 1040

Career playoff scoring leaders:
Michael Jordan: 5,987
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 5,762
Kobe Bryant: 5,640

Guards with the most All-Defensive 1st team selections:
Michael Jordan 9

[PsychoBe]

[QUOTE=Ne 1]You act like it's absurd and he has no case.

6 players in NBA history have averaged 30+ ppg in the playoffs on route to a championship:

LeBron James
Kobe Bryant
Shaquille O'Neal
Hakeem Olajuwon
Michael Jordan
Kareem Abdul Jabbar

4 Players in NBA history have won back-to-back Finals MVPs:
Michael Jordan
Hakeem Olajuwon
Shaquille O'Neal
Kobe Bryant

5 players in NBA history have scored 30,000+ points
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Karl Malone
Michael Jordan
Kobe Bryant
Wilt Chamberlain

6 players in NBA history have averaged 30-5-5 for multiple seasons:
Wilt Chamberlain
Oscar Robertson
Jerry West
Michael Jordan
Kobe Bryant
LeBron James

Players in NBA history who have averaged over 35+ PPG for a season in NBA history:
Wilt Chamberlain
Elgin Baylor
Rick Barry
Michael Jordan
Kobe Bryant

Kobe has always been in the top 2-3 for shooting guards in both rebounding and assists.

Kobe is the only SG in NBA history to lead his team in assists for 10 seasons.
99-00,00-01,01-02,02-03,04-05,06-07,07-08,08-09,09-10,10-11

98-99, 03-04, 12-13: 0.4 APG/0.7 APG behind Harper/Payton/Nash - nearly 13 seasons

Playoff Assists amongst non-point guards:
Larry Bird 1062
Scottie Pippen 1048
Kobe Bryant 1040

Career playoff scoring leaders:
Michael Jordan: 5,987
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 5,762
Kobe Bryant: 5,640

Guards with the most All-Defensive 1st team selections:
Michael Jordan 9

[gts]

It's not that he's a scrub, but Duncan has always been considered to be ahead of Kobe, y.

only by idiots...

[Ne 1]

It's not that he's a scrub, but Duncan has always been considered to be ahead of Kobe
By who? You can make a case for either player. That's my opinion, and the opinion of any reasonable non-delusional person.

[sportjames23]

Both Duncan and Lebron in the finals. Whoever wins is clearly above Kobe all time no argument :oldlol:

http://i.imgur.com/DwZCT.png1

[zoom17]

:lol

[Relinquish]

only by idiots...

Only by people with brains and the ability to count accolades. Guess you aren't one.

[dazzer87]

lol lakers stans pissed........:applause: :applause:

[PsychoBe]

Only by people with brains and the ability to count accolades. Guess you aren't either.

duncan is so much better than kobe that fans voted kobe as the player of the decade over him :roll: :roll: :roll:

[jstern]

By who? You can make a case for either player. That's my opinion, and the opinion of any reasonable non-delusional person.

By the vast majority of the top ten list here the last 10 years, until the Kobe stans got really, really scared after Tim went to the Finals last year and started with an anti Duncan blitz, diminishing everything he has ever done, like they do with Gasol, and any other player that Kobe has played with. It's a pathetic obsession, working so hard.


duncan is so much better than kobe that fans voted kobe as the player of the decade over him :roll: :roll: :roll:

Yeah, real big victory, an internet poll, dominated by teeny boppers.

[Doranku]

I have no problem with Duncan being ranked ahead of Kobe. Dude is a joy to watch as a basketball fan, and it's incredible what he's still doing at his age.

LeBron, on the other hand, is a colluding piece of shit who gets free trips to the finals every year and then is bailed out by his role players like Mike Miller and Ray Allen.


tldr: Duncan is an OG, LeBron is a f@ggot

[Deuce Bigalow]

Rent free

[tpols]

kobtards don't wanna admit this...

http://i.imgur.com/wnifAGi.jpg

"You miss every shot you dont take"

Michael Jordan da GOAT

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Both are already better than Kobe ever was. People really need to stop bringing up Kobe now. He's already an irrelevant player.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Both Duncan and LeBron are already above Kobe.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Only on ish where winning another ring moves you above kobe all time no argument.
ISH is the most Kobe friendly forum in thr internet (other than Lakers forums).

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe could still be arguably ahead of Duncan even if the Spurs win. Both would have 5 rings.

Bran is still behind Kobe with a 3rd ring.

Positives? Bran would be 2-3 in the NBA Finals and stuck on Wilt's ring count or Kobe 5/TOSB 4 would still be true. :lol :pimp:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

"You miss every shot you dont take"

Michael Jordan da GOAT
That was Wayne Gretzky. Missing shots in hockey is no where near the same as Basketball.

[T_L_P]

Kobe could still be arguably ahead of Duncan even if the Spurs win. Both would have 5 rings.

Bran is still behind Kobe with a 3rd ring.

Positives? Bran would be 2-3 in the NBA Finals and stuck on Wilt's ring count or Kobe 5/TOSB 4 would still be true. :lol :pimp:

It's funny, I actually think TOSB was stolen from SpursTalk...about Kobe. :oldlol:

[Ne 1]

By the vast majority of the top ten list here the last 10 years, until the Kobe stans got really, really scared after Tim went to the Finals last year and started with an anti Duncan blitz, diminishing everything he has ever done, like they do with Gasol, and any other player that Kobe has played with. It's a pathetic obsession, working so hard.


When you say "vast majority" this is an appeal to authority. Especially when you say "here " that doesn't really mean anything as ISH is a site comprised of a tiny fraction of basketball fans. The truth is these "top 10 lists" are very subjective and a matter of personal opinion.

[Deuce Bigalow]

It's funny, I actually think TOSB was stolen from SpursTalk...about Kobe. :oldlol:
I'm gonna root for TOSB tbh :cheers:

[konex]

Only on ish where winning another ring moves you above kobe all time no argument.

Especially coming from the same folks who say 3 of Kobe's rings don't count lol

[DMAVS41]

I almost feel sorry for Kobe stans right now. Two straight years missing the playoffs now and then the worst case scenario again.

Ugh...Duncan either rides off into the sunset as the clear cut post MJ era best player overall...(until Lebron era)

Or Lebron ends his 11th year with some crazy ass shit given he came out of high school to join a 17 win team in year 1.

Huge year for Lebron by the way.

3 titles and 5 finals appearances in 11 years looks a whole lot better than 2 titles and 3 finals failures.

[Cocaine80s]

Kobe could still be arguably ahead of Duncan even if the Spurs win. Both would have 5 rings.

Bran is still behind Kobe with a 3rd ring.

Positives? Bran would be 2-3 in the NBA Finals and stuck on Wilt's ring count or Kobe 5/TOSB 4 would still be true. :lol :pimp:
Lebron would have more fmvps, mvps, and better career stats. There is no argument for kobe over lebron if bron 3peats.

[PsychoBe]

I almost feel sorry for Kobe stans right now. Two straight years missing the playoffs now and then the worst case scenario again.

Ugh...Duncan either rides off into the sunset as the clear cut post MJ era best player overall...(until Lebron era)

Or Lebron ends his 11th year with some crazy ass shit given he came out of high school to join a 17 win team in year 1.

Huge year for Lebron by the way.

3 titles and 5 finals appearances in 11 years looks a whole lot better than 2 titles and 3 finals failures.

http://dimemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/DIME-71-FINAL-264x360.jpg

http://mediaoutrage.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/kobedecade.jpg

"clear cut" :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Jacks3]

You guys are obsessed.

[DFish24]

Duncan Wins: Like an '87 Kareem Title, not enough to overtake Kobe.
Duncan Loses: Kobe is cemented as the greater player all-time.

Bran Wins: Finally enters Top 10, but still not enough to overtake Kobe.
Bran Loses: 2/5 in the Finals, drops out of the Top 15.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Lebron would have more fmvps, mvps, and better career stats. There is no argument for kobe over lebron if bron 3peats.
5 championships

[tpols]

I almost feel sorry for Kobe stans right now. Two straight years missing the playoffs now and then the worst case scenario again.

Ugh...Duncan either rides off into the sunset as the clear cut post MJ era best player overall...(until Lebron era)

Or Lebron ends his 11th year with some crazy ass shit given he came out of high school to join a 17 win team in year 1.

Huge year for Lebron by the way.

3 titles and 5 finals appearances in 11 years looks a whole lot better than 2 titles and 3 finals failures.

Duncan has already passed kobe.. aint much else in his way. The injury killed him and now the lakers wont compete for a decade or more.. Duncans cooperativeness and patience paid off in the end.


With a title and FMVP he'll move into top 3-4 all time clearly ahead of bird, wilt, magic, shaq, hakeem for sure. Hopefully spurs win it. :cheers: Fvck bran.. parker needs to come back though for them to have a shot.

[Cocaine80s]

5 championships
2 fmvps doe :roll:

[PsychoBe]

Duncan has already passed kobe.. aint much else in his way. The injury killed him and now the lakers wont compete for a decade or more.. Duncans cooperativeness and patience paid off in the end.


With a title and FMVP he'll move into top 3-4 all time clearly ahead of bird, wilt, magic, shaq, hakeem for sure. Hopefully spurs win it. :cheers: Fvck bran.. parker needs to come back though for them to have a shot.

http://mediaoutrage.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/kobedecade.jpg

[r0drig0lac]

with or without ring Duncan> Kobe ... but Lebron...

[tpols]

http://mediaoutrage.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/kobedecade.jpg

Kobe's better 2000s decade.. but duncan will top it off.. kobes been out the game too long, and duncans hung around. Unless he massively chokes or seomthing hes got it.

[Deuce Bigalow]

2 fmvps doe :roll:
And?

[T_L_P]

Duncan has already passed kobe.. aint much else in his way. The injury killed him and now the lakers wont compete for a decade or more.. Duncans cooperativeness and patience paid off in the end.


With a title and FMVP he'll move into top 3-4 all time clearly ahead of bird, wilt, magic, shaq, hakeem for sure. Hopefully spurs win it. :cheers: Fvck bran.. parker needs to come back though for them to have a shot.

Damn, tpols. :applause:

[DMAVS41]

Duncan has already passed kobe.. aint much else in his way. The injury killed him and now the lakers wont compete for a decade or more.. Duncans cooperativeness and patience paid off in the end.


With a title and FMVP he'll move into top 3-4 all time clearly ahead of bird, wilt, magic, shaq, hakeem for sure. Hopefully spurs win it. :cheers: Fvck bran.. parker needs to come back though for them to have a shot.


Didn't know you felt that way.

I thought you always say I crazy over-rate Duncanwhen I have him 4th?

Totally agree about hoping the Spurs win. I don't see how any non Heat fan would be pulling for them.

Go Spurs Go:applause:


Also, I know it's just 1 game, but did you notice how well the Spurs played without Parker tonight? Did you happen to notice how they kind of looked better all series without him? I like Parker man, but I just think he's really over-rated if we start saying he's a real superstar.

[Heavincent]

Who cares about arbitrary rankings from forum trolls?

[DMAVS41]

Who cares about arbitrary rankings from forum trolls?

Clearly you do...:confusedshrug:

[Heavincent]

Clearly you do...:confusedshrug:

What makes you say that?

I was actually rooting for the Spurs tonight, and will have no problem rooting for them again in the finals. I've never said anything negative regarding Duncan. I don't give a shit about the Duncan vs Kobe comparison. Completely different players who both had their fair share of success and impact on history.

[fpliii]

Who the **** cares dude, there is no "GOAT list". Compare players if you want (we all do) but there's no one, objective truth.

[ArbitraryWater]

shiiiiiit :oldlol:

bad day for these nig nogs :lol

[tpols]

Didn't know you felt that way.

I thought you always say I crazy over-rate Duncanwhen I have him 4th?

Totally agree about hoping the Spurs win. I don't see how any non Heat fan would be pulling for them.

Go Spurs Go:applause:


Also, I know it's just 1 game, but did you notice how well the Spurs played without Parker tonight? Did you happen to notice how they kind of looked better all series without him? I like Parker man, but I just think he's really over-rated if we start saying he's a real superstar.

I said with a title and FMVP bruh.. dont get too far ahead of yourself. :lol

As it stands hes 6-7.. but with another only russell, kareem, and MJ are ahead for sure.

[Ne 1]

Who cares about arbitrary rankings from forum trolls? It does get a bit silly. I mean, the way we set artificial standards for where a player ranks is a bit weak. Like for example "if Duncan wins another ring he jumps into the top five, but if not he stays at #10." Either way, he's the same player. I'm not sure that really having five rings versus just four changes who he really is. Anyway, it seems like most the people (on this site anyway) who make these arbitrary ranking lists do so just to sing the praises of their favorite player(s)and to aimlessly bad-mouth and and criticize others. Many of the people on this website seem to not actually care about discussing basketball; rather, they seem to be content rambling on and on about any certain player's placement on "the almighty top 10 list," :eek: a completely abstract, hypothetical type of ranking system, which many people seem to regard as some sort of omnipotent, end-all be-all final judgment of a player's true merit.

[IllegalD]

Kinda sad since certain fan's favorite players aren't as good as Kobe said fans have to resort to jumping on his adversaries' bandwagons in order to try to diminish him...

Bitter much? :lol

[no pun intended]

If Kobe doesn't give a shit, I don't give a shit.

And he doesn't, so in this case, I don't.

[DMAVS41]

I said with a title and FMVP bruh.. dont get too far ahead of yourself. :lol

As it stands hes 6-7.. but with another only russell, kareem, and MJ are ahead for sure.

Yea, but you obviously have him close enough that what he does at the tail end of his career might be enough to vault him into the top 3 or 4.

Meaning you already really put him in that class...and certainly a game like tonight matters as well.

Duncan was brilliant tonight when it mattered most.

[Bandito]

I won't be able to sleep tonight, that's for sure :(

[Artillery]

Parker had the best season of his career in 2013, Killed it during every Western Conference series and then he played like shit against the Heat in the Finals. Now Parker's having one of the worst seasons of his career, a terrible playoff run and people expect him to step up against Miami? Unlikely. He was awful tonight against OKC. Spurs actually played better after he left the game at halftime. Everybody should dial down their expectations when it comes to Parker.

[Cocaine80s]

If Kobe doesn't give a shit, I don't give a shit.

And he doesn't, so in this case, I don't.
Pretty sure he does. All players want to be in the top 10 all time.

[ImKobe]

Not really...people already consider Duncan & Lebron to be above Kobe...what does this change exactly? Plus, all-time lists are subjective and Lebron/Duncan winning doesn't change my perception about Kobe. I'm excited for the Finals and I hope it goes 7 games again. People are seriously overrating all-time lists, like it's the only thing fans care about. I'm an NBA fan and I love the NBA Finals regardless of who's playing in it.

[Cold soul]

Not really...people already consider Duncan & Lebron to be above Kobe...what does this change exactly? Plus, all-time lists are subjective and Lebron/Duncan winning doesn't change my perception about Kobe. I'm excited for the Finals and I hope it goes 7 games again. People are seriously overrating all-time lists, like it's the only thing fans care about. I'm an NBA fan and I love the NBA Finals regardless of who's playing in it.

Well said, bro. In the end some people will have Kobe ranked above Duncan/Lebron while some others wont. There will never be definite answer to this question.

[fpliii]

Not really...people already consider Duncan & Lebron to be above Kobe...what does this change exactly? Plus, all-time lists are subjective and Lebron/Duncan winning doesn't change my perception about Kobe. I'm excited for the Finals and I hope it goes 7 games again. People are seriously overrating all-time lists, like it's the only thing fans care about. I'm an NBA fan and I love the NBA Finals regardless of who's playing in it.
:applause:

[ImKobe]

Well said, bro. In the end some people will have Kobe ranked above Duncan/Lebron while some others wont. There will never be definite answer to this question.

People have been putting Lebron & Duncan above Kobe for years man...even when Kobe won b2b in 2010.. It doesn't change anything.

Plus, Kobe's career isn't over, he has at least 2 years left to play.. People acting like Kobe has no chance at winning another ring, we'll see.

[NumberSix]

Both Duncan and Lebron in the finals. Whoever wins is clearly above Kobe all time no argument :oldlol:
That ship has already sailed.

[Cold soul]

People have been putting Lebron & Duncan above Kobe for years man...even when Kobe won b2b in 2010.. It doesn't change anything.

Plus, Kobe's career isn't over, he has at least 2 years left to play.. People acting like Kobe has no chance at winning another ring, we'll see.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPDZSy0MJrA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPDZSy0MJrA[/VIDEO])

[Solefade]

Came in here to say no matter what happens Duncan has been better than Kobe and when it comes to the eye-test Lebron is clearly way better than Kobe ever was

[poido123]

Came in here to say no matter what happens Duncan has been better than Kobe and when it comes to the eye-test Lebron is clearly way better than Kobe ever was


Hard to compare them. Two different positions.

Lebron is currently the second best SF of all time.

Kobe is currently the second best SG of all time.

I'd say it's tight. Kobe still has the better career.

[Solefade]

Hard to compare them. Two different positions.

Lebron is currently the second best SF of all time.

Kobe is currently the second best SG of all time.

I'd say it's tight. Kobe still has the better career.


with a 3peat lebron is clearly the best SF of all time though

[dubeta]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/10300667_10152350475838463_6156152596484511346_n.j pg

"No matter what we're both better than Kobe" :roll:

[IllegalD]

with a 3peat lebron is clearly the best SF of all time though

Kobe Era: 2000-2010

- 7 Finals Appearances
- 5 Championships
- 2 Finals MVPs
- 2 Scoring Titles
- 1 Olympic Gold Medal
- 1 Regular Season MVP

Memorable Moments:

- Alley-Oop to Shaq, Game-Winner Against Suns, 81-Point Game; 40-Point Streak, 50-Point Streak, Gold Medal Game Heroics, 62 in 3 Quarters, Colorado Game, Takeover in OT vs Pacers, Single-Game 3-Point Record

Competition:

Played entire career in Western Conference which has been stacked since 2000.

Players:
- Same era of Prime Shaq, Prime Duncan (Top 5-10 Players), Prime Wade (3rd Best SG of All Time), KG, Iverson, Kidd, Pierce, McGrady, Webber.

Teams:
- 2000s Spurs; Big 3 Celtics; 2004 Pistons; 2000 Blazers; 2002 Kings; Nash/Amare Suns; Durant/Westbrook/Harden Thunder.

*3 of the Greatest Defensive Teams of All Time

Kobe is a Top 5 GOAT candidate no matter what happens in this years Finals. Just face it, haters. :no:

[poido123]

with a 3peat lebron is clearly the best SF of all time though


I agree. 3 more MVP's together with a 3 peat will push Lebron over Kobe, even though Kobe has more titles. If Lebron lost this year, I'd say he comes back a spot all time.

Lebron wins this year? I'd say it's close between him and Bird. Like another MVP next year and Lebron surpasses Bird IMO.

[dubeta]

Kobe Era: 2000-2010

- 7 Finals Appearances
- 5 Championships
- 2 Finals MVPs
- 2 Scoring Titles
- 1 Olympic Gold Medal
- 1 Regular Season MVP

Memorable Moments:

- Alley-Oop to Shaq, Game-Winner Against Suns, 81-Point Game; 40-Point Streak, 50-Point Streak, Gold Medal Game Heroics, 62 in 3 Quarters, Colorado Game, Takeover in OT vs Pacers, Single-Game 3-Point Record

Competition:

Played entire career in Western Conference which has been stacked since 2000.

Players:
- Same era of Prime Shaq, Prime Duncan (Top 5-10 Players), Prime Wade (3rd Best SG of All Time), KG, Iverson, Kidd, Pierce, McGrady, Webber.

Teams:
- 2000s Spurs; Big 3 Celtics; 2004 Pistons; 2000 Blazers; 2002 Kings; Nash/Amare Suns; Durant/Westbrook/Harden Thunder.

*3 of the Greatest Defensive Teams of All Time

Kobe is a Top 5 GOAT candidate no matter what happens in this years Finals. Just face it, haters. :no:

Take out the rings won with Shaq and Gasol carrying the team and you're left with 1 MVP and 2 scoring titles, lol at even being top 10 all time

[IllegalD]

Take out the rings won with Shaq and Gasol carrying the team and you're left with 1 MVP and 2 scoring titles, lol at even being top 10 all time

You mean the 5 rings that Kobe won with the same amount of HOF teammates (2) that LeBron needed for just 1 ring? :confusedshrug:

[Solefade]

Kobe is a Top 5 GOAT candidate no matter what happens in this years Finals. Just face it, haters. :no:


according to who? you?

:roll:

he's not even the best player in his generation let alone top 5 all time :roll:


goddamn kobetards

[IllegalD]

according to who? you?

:roll:

he's not even the best player in his generation let alone top 5 all time :roll:


goddamn kobetards

According to pretty much everyone except Bill Simmons, and the army of *****t insecure LeBron/Jordan/Duncan Stans that frequent this board.

[Mr Feeny]

According to pretty much everyone except Bill Simmons, and the army of *****t insecure LeBron/Jordan/Duncan Stans that frequent this board.

Meltdown:banana:

[ImKobe]

according to who? you?

:roll:

he's not even the best player in his generation let alone top 5 all time :roll:


goddamn kobetards

It's his opinion...You people get riled up real easy on these boards, resorting to childish retorts filled with childish insults. You might not like his opinion, but as a grown man you should learn to respect it. If I'm a fan of Mr. Kobe Bryant, I'm obviously going to be more biased when it comes to ranking him - if he's my favorite player all-time, I'm going to put him next to Michael because his impact on my basketball life has outdone anything that anyone else did.

People here are just concerned with useless statistics and are using PER or WS/48 to label certain players. Kobe's the biggest star since Michael Jordan, prime Kobe is as good as any player has ever been regardless of the numbers you might pull up. He has more accolades than Duncan, Shaq, Bird, I don't see why you can't rank him in the top 5 by that logic. It all depends on the criteria you use to make your rankings.

[SwayDizzle]

If Duncan wins FMVP, then he moves into the #5 GOAT spot, overtaking Kobe. Kobe then falls into the #6 GOAT spot (from #5). If Bronze wins FMVP, then he solidifies the #10 spot, and we can all graciously admit he's a top10 GOAT.

[NumberSix]

If Duncan wins FMVP, then he moves into the #5 GOAT spot, overtaking Kobe. Kobe then falls into the #6 GOAT spot (from #5). If Bronze wins FMVP, then he solidifies the #10 spot, and we can all graciously admit he's a top10 GOAT.
:rolleyes:

[Artillery]

Best thing about the Finals is seeing two teams that actually play team basketball competing against each other. Duncan's the ultimate team player. Lebron's the same way. :cheers:

The era of ugly, ISO-heavy chucker basketball is over. Kobe's a cripple and Durant/Westbrook/Harden all failed to make the Finals.

[Inactive]

It's his opinion...You people get riled up real easy on these boards, resorting to childish retorts filled with childish insults. You might not like his opinion, but as a grown man you should learn to respect it. If a person publicly expresses his opinion on a contentious topic, he ought to be prepared to defend his position. That's how all parties gain insight on the topic. If your argument is founded on weak premises, you should be honest with yourself, and accept that you can't justify your opinion. If I'm unable to refute your argument, or reasonably cast doubt on it's validity, then I ought to be honest with myself, and accept that I can't justify my opposition.

If we allow each other the luxury of stupidly opining upon whatever happens to pop into one's head, then we will both lose a valuable opportunity. One will lose a chance to sharpen his critical faculties, and his powers of persuasion. The other will lose the opportunity to make others of one mind with him, or correct his own false perception. Not only do we harm ourselves in this way, but we also provide a poor example for the third parties who have yet to commit themselves to any position. We tacitly say to them "There is no right or wrong. Just say whatever you'd like, and damn the world if it contradicts you.".

If I'm a fan of Mr. Kobe Bryant, I'm obviously going to be more biased when it comes to ranking him - if he's my favorite player all-time, I'm going to put him next to Michael because his impact on my basketball life has outdone anything that anyone else did.If you know that your perception is skewed by bias, but you still contend that your perception is valid, then you're simply being dishonest.

People here are just concerned with useless statistics and are using PER or WS/48 to label certain players. Kobe's the biggest star since Michael Jordan, prime Kobe is as good as any player has ever been regardless of the numbers you might pull up. He has more accolades than Duncan, Shaq, Bird, I don't see why you can't rank him in the top 5 by that logic. It all depends on the criteria you use to make your rankings.1. You posit that statistics are useless. 2. You assert that Kobe is the biggest star since Michael Jordan, but you fail to provide any supporting evidence for this claim, or even define what you mean by it. You also fail to explain how this is relevant. 3. You assert that Kobe is as good as any player, and then preemptively dismiss any evidence to the contrary. 4. You claim that he has more more accolades than others, while again failing to define, or explain how it's relevant. 5.Then you claim that these arguments are in some way logical, and can't see how they could fail to justify ranking him top 5.

Don't you think that warrants ridicule? When you only support your claims with childish arguments, childish retorts are all you deserve.

Sorry if this post read as condescending.

[NumberSix]

If you know that your perception is skewed by bias, but you still contend that your perception is valid, then you're simply being dishonest.

I know that my opinion of LeBron being the best player is biased. I'm a Stan. I'm still right though.

[Im Still Ballin]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t1.0-9/10426630_620694684694149_873026308183473948_n.jpg

[Inactive]

I know that my opinion of LeBron being the best player is biased. I'm a Stan. I'm still right though.Cool.

You know that you are biased in favor of believing that Lebron is the best player, but is your conclusion that he is in fact the best player derived from your own biased perception? Or did you confirm that he is, based on some objective criteria by which you measure him against everyone else? If it turned out some day that he is no longer the best according to that criteria, would you accept it, or would you move the goalpost?

[Mr Feeny]

If a person publicly expresses his opinion on a contentious topic, he ought to be prepared to defend his position. That's how all parties gain insight on the topic. If your argument is founded on weak premises, you should be honest with yourself, and accept that you can't justify your opinion. If I'm unable to refute your argument, or reasonably cast doubt on it's validity, then I ought to be honest with myself, and accept that I can't justify my opposition.

If we allow each other the luxury of stupidly opining upon whatever happens to pop into one's head, then we will both lose a valuable opportunity. One will lose a chance to sharpen his critical faculties, and his powers of persuasion. The other will lose the opportunity to make others of one mind with him, or correct his own false perception. Not only do we harm ourselves in this way, but we also provide a poor example for the third parties who have yet to commit themselves to any position. We tacitly say to them "There is no right or wrong. Just say whatever you'd like, and damn the world if it contradicts you.".
If you know that your perception is skewed by bias, but you still contend that your perception is valid, then you're simply being dishonest.
1. You posit that statistics are useless. 2. You assert that Kobe is the biggest star since Michael Jordan, but you fail to provide any supporting evidence for this claim, or even define what you mean by it. You also fail to explain how this is relevant. 3. You assert that Kobe is as good as any player, and then preemptively dismiss any evidence to the contrary. 4. You claim that he has more more accolades than others, while again failing to define, or explain how it's relevant. 5.Then you claim that these arguments are in some way logical, and can't see how they could fail to justify ranking him top 5.

Don't you think that warrants ridicule? When you only support your claims with childish arguments, childish retorts are all you deserve.

Sorry if this post read as condescending.

His post more than deserves a condescending response. You just saved us the time to point out the many flaws in his last paragraph and so, we thank you for that. As you stated, he dismisses any facts/stats and brings up childish arguments to support his laughable views. It's amusing.

[ImKobe]

If a person publicly expresses his opinion on a contentious topic, he ought to be prepared to defend his position. That's how all parties gain insight on the topic. If your argument is founded on weak premises, you should be honest with yourself, and accept that you can't justify your opinion. If I'm unable to refute your argument, or reasonably cast doubt on it's validity, then I ought to be honest with myself, and accept that I can't justify my opposition.

If we allow each other the luxury of stupidly opining upon whatever happens to pop into one's head, then we will both lose a valuable opportunity. One will lose a chance to sharpen his critical faculties, and his powers of persuasion. The other will lose the opportunity to make others of one mind with him, or correct his own false perception. Not only do we harm ourselves in this way, but we also provide a poor example for the third parties who have yet to commit themselves to any position. We tacitly say to them "There is no right or wrong. Just say whatever you'd like, and damn the world if it contradicts you.".
If you know that your perception is skewed by bias, but you still contend that your perception is valid, then you're simply being dishonest.
1. You posit that statistics are useless. 2. You assert that Kobe is the biggest star since Michael Jordan, but you fail to provide any supporting evidence for this claim, or even define what you mean by it. You also fail to explain how this is relevant. 3. You assert that Kobe is as good as any player, and then preemptively dismiss any evidence to the contrary. 4. You claim that he has more more accolades than others, while again failing to define, or explain how it's relevant. 5.Then you claim that these arguments are in some way logical, and can't see how they could fail to justify ranking him top 5.

Don't you think that warrants ridicule? When you only support your claims with childish arguments, childish retorts are all you deserve.

Sorry if this post read as condescending.


:kobe:

[Mr Feeny]

:kobe:
What a well thought out response. Remarkable. A man writes 5 or 6 legitimately good points and you reply with a sarcastic smiley.

[ImKobe]

What a well thought out response. Remarkable. A man writes 5 or 6 legitimately good points and you reply with a sarcastic smiley.

:whatever:

[Anaximandro1]

1) Duncan and Shaq dominated the entire decade (1998 - 2007).

Kobe doesn't belong in the conversation.


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Rys96XL4kK4/U4sfU45vKHI/AAAAAAAAC48/jKrQnQmm8wo/s1600/25.jpg



2) Kobe only played three years at a truly elite level (2008 - 2010)

Kobe's first three rings don't count ... it would be absolutely dishonest.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VJcoUu90UcY/U4sfUkBaDXI/AAAAAAAAC44/6DX0-Yq_zhc/s1600/26.jpg


3) Duncan is TOP 6

LeBron is TOP 10

Kobe is TOP 15

[PsychoBe]

1) Duncan and Shaq dominated the entire decade (1998 - 2007).

Kobe doesn't belong in the conversation.


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Rys96XL4kK4/U4sfU45vKHI/AAAAAAAAC48/jKrQnQmm8wo/s1600/25.jpg



2) Kobe only played three years at a truly elite level (2008 - 2010)

Kobe's first three rings don't count ... it would be absolutely dishonest.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VJcoUu90UcY/U4sfUkBaDXI/AAAAAAAAC44/6DX0-Yq_zhc/s1600/26.jpg


3) Duncan is TOP 6

LeBron is TOP 10

Kobe is TOP 15

http://mediaoutrage.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/kobedecade.jpg

[Magic 32]

1) Duncan and Shaq dominated the entire decade (1998 - 2007).



lol

Is that the 192007's

[SwayDizzle]

lol

Is that the 192007's
:lol :lol

[theoneneo]

There is literally nothing either can do to hurt Kobe's impending top 5 goat status... how mad does that make you :lol that you can write such detailed post about how Kobe isn't ranked ahead of either, but yet, in a couple years he'll be ranked 6 at worst

[Mr Feeny]

There is literally nothing either can do to hurt Kobe's impending top 5 goat status... how mad does that make you :lol that you can write such detailed post about how Kobe isn't ranked ahead of either, but yet, in a couple years he'll be ranked 6 at worstAwww except that most people don't consider him top 10 and already hv Lebron and Duncan ahead of him, and they are only adding to their legacies:banana:

[BasedTom]

http://i.imgur.com/FWtzLC3.jpg

[Legends66NBA7]

Both Duncan and Lebron in the finals. Whoever wins is clearly above Kobe all time no argument :oldlol:

Deja vu ?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=302410

[FlashDwyaneWade3]

http://i.imgur.com/FWtzLC3.jpg
Efficiency means nothing. Bill Russell sucked on the offensive end and he's still better than LeBron.

[KingLeBronJames]

http://i.imgur.com/FWtzLC3.jpg
Wait...shooting 45-46% is inefficient?

[KOBE143]

LOL

Kobe fans has nothing to fear.. Kobe is already a top 5 player at worst to all fans except retarted Bran stans..

[Doctor Rivers]

I'm dumb

:coleman:

[gts]

Awww except that most people don't consider him top 10 and already hv Lebron and Duncan ahead of him, and they are only adding to their legacies:banana:

“He keeps doing it. He keeps making shots. He's a great player and deserves to be called a great player.”
—Celtics head coach Doc Rivers

“If he gets going, you won’t be able to stop him at all.”
—Former NBA All-Star Jalen Rose

Earvin Magic Johnson:
Laker Nation: Kobe is the closest thing to Michael Jordan that I have ever seen.
"I played against Larry & Michael who both had a warrior's mentality," "For the last 17 seasons I've watched Kobe play with that same mentality!”

“I've always thought he was the best player in basketball. I don't think it's even close."
—NBA coach Alvin Gentry

“I believe that Kobe Bryant is still the best player in the game, his experience and his overall talent. It’s not taking away from LeBron, it’s not taking away from Carmelo, it’s not taking away from myself,” Wade told ESPN Radio Chicago. “Kobe has been in the game longer than the rest of us, he’s older than us, he’s smart with the game. He’s the better player.”

“There's nobody in this league that can guard him.”
—NBA coach Byron Scott

“I see a lot of myself in him. No doubt about it.”
—NBA legend Michael Jordan

“He has the ability to take the game over.”
—Teammate Derek Fisher

Kobe's the only one to have done the work, to deserve comparison.- Michael Jordan


“When Kobe focuses in, he’s a good defensive player. When he decides he’s not going to give any player anything, he will be the best.”
—NBA coach Jim Cleamons

“Nobody can guard Kobe one-on-one. Nobody.”
—Former Lakers coach Del Harris

“If there’s a player in the NBA who has a chance to be Michael Jordan, I believe this is the one player. He combines the talent with the same incredible work ethic.”
—Agent Arn Tellem

“Every play, you look at him and wonder, ‘What’s next?”
—Former teammate Eddie Jones

“He doesn’t make his game a personal game anymore.”
—Former teammate Rick Fox

“I’ve seen a lot of high school basketball, but I’ve never seen anyone as good as Kobe was.”
—Kobe’s high school coach Gregg Downer

“Kobe’s a model of what a young player should aspire to be. Year by year he learned and made his game more solid, and now he’s not just a highlight-film guy but an accomplished NBA player.”
—Former NBA head coach Larry Brown

“Kobe's range is unreal, and he does it his way.”
—Hall of Famer Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

"He takes the type of shots where you don't think they're going in, but suddenly he's rolling, so he's kind of hard to stop.”
—All-Star Chris Bosh

“He's learned how to become a leader in a way in which people want to follow him. That's really important for him to have learned that because he knew that he had to give to get back in return, and so he's become a giver rather than just a guy that's a demanding leader. That's been great for him and great to watch.''
—Lakers head coach Phil Jackson

"We have a deep-seated respect for each other. I marvel at this young man's competitive drive to reach excellence all the time and what he puts into every game, his ability to drive his team forward and make the game competitive night after night even when we've had disappointing endings."
—Jackson

Well the NBA is in great hands, but if I had to pick the single greatest player on the planet, I take Kobe Bryant, without hesitation." - Michael Jordan

"Kobe, in my opinion, is the best player in the NBA" - Stephon Marbury
Stephon Marbury on Kobe: "He's the only person on 'dis earth that can do 'dat. He guards people, like shuts 'em down. Then, to do 'dat on 'da offensive end. It's like 'Damn, I can't score on him AND he about to bust my ass.

"Kobe the best in the game right now man. Who better then Kobe?" - Amare Stoudemire

"Kobe is still the best player in the game." - Phil Jackson

"He's the best player alive".- Marc Stein

Lamar Odom said, "It's like God put Kobe here for us to watch him play basketball."

Kobe is the top player in the league." - Jason Richardson

"The MVP should be, when I look at it, I think it should be the best player in the league. Kobe is the best player in the league." - Chauncey Billups

TNT's Charles Barkley on who he believes are the best athletes in the world: "Kobe is the best basketball player in the world."

"If you want to find a player to build around, he's probably it. He's got great size for a guard, he's pretty impossible to defend, and he is hard to score against when he hunkers down on defense." - Nate McMillan

"I'm not saying that he's the most valuable player, but he's certainly the best player. And it's not even close. He is utterly dominant." - Mike D'Antoni

"Kobe is the best basketball player in the world." - Charles Barkley

"It was bitter that Kobe Bryant got injured. His presence alone would have been enough to win the tournament. That's the level I see him on. To me he is the best player in the world right now. That guy doesn't know fear at all. He doesn't care. He would have won it for the Americans single-handedly." - Dirk Nowitzki

"Kobe Bryant is the most talented player in the game today; he could do anything." - Alonzo Mourning

He's the best offensive player in the league, hands down," Bulls guard Ben Gordon


"Nobody can guard Kobe one-on-one. Nobody." - Del Harris

"I see a lot of myself in him. No doubt about it.' - Michael Jordan

Clyde Drexler was asked who the game's top player is today: "I love Yao (Ming), and I love Tracy (McGrady), but Kobe Bryant is by far the best."

[gts]

"He looked wonderful," said James, who added nine assists and eight rebounds. "You didn't see him go down the middle and dunk? He looked great. I loved having him back. You always want to compete against the very best. That's my favorite player in the game."

"Of course not," James said. "They can never get back to that without Shaq and Phil (Jackson). They still have a quality team. They have the best player in basketball."

Horace Grant kept referring to Bryant as "No. 23," the number Jordan wore. It wasn't a mistake. "I knew what I was saying," Grant said.

"He's the best player in our game today, in my opinion" - Lebron James

"It's hard to guard somebody when he's feeling it. For 10 straight, he was feeling it." It?s always a big challenge battling against the best. - Vince Carter

"At the end of the day Kobe will go down as the greatest player to have ever played the game.""His mentality, his approach -- he tries to seek and destroy. There is really nothing he can't do on the basketball court. The main thing is his will. He is not satisfied with just beating you. He wants to put the dagger in you. I think that is a lost art to a certain degree in this league." - Mark Jackson

"He has no weaknesses." - Al Harrington