Ask a Basketball fan from the 50's anything.....

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Go ahead and I will be as truthful as possible.....

[LAZERUSS]

Go ahead and I will be as truthful as possible.....

What do you make of the "amateur" Bob Kurland, outplaying future NBA star George Mikan in their college H2H?

[MiseryCityTexas]

How good would Bob Pettit be in today's league?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

What do you make of the "amateur" Bob Kurland, outplaying future NBA star George Mikan in their college H2H?
Kurland was a fine player but he didn't have the passion for the game like Mikan did. I was never a big college ball fan tbh.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

How good would Bob Pettit be in today's league?
In the current NBA? A prime Pettit would be the best big man in the game.

[LAZERUSS]

Kirkland was a fine player but he didn't have the passion for the game like Mikan did. I was never a big college ball fan tbh.

Instead Kurland anchored two Olympic Gold Medal teams. But again, as we both know, he dominated Mikan on the biggest stage at the time (the NBA would not arrive until the very next season.)

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Instead Kurland anchored two Olympic Gold Medal teams. But again, as we both know, he dominated Mikan on the biggest stage at the time (the NBA would not arrive until the very next season.)
5 rings, 83.3 percent. Nuff said.

[LAZERUSS]

5 rings, 83.3 percent. Nuff said.

And yet, the reality was, he was not even the best big man on the planet in those five rings. Again...the relatively unknown Bob Kurland was the true GOAT of the "pre-shot clock-era."

[RoundMoundOfReb]

And yet, the reality was, he was not even the best big man on the planet in those five rings. Again...the relatively unknown Bob Kurland was the true GOAT of the "pre-shot clock-era."
He didn't even play pro basketball. Please stop trolling my thread and ask real questions. Also Mikan > Wilt. Deal with it.

[LAZERUSS]

He didn't even play pro basketball. Please stop trolling my thread and ask real questions. Also Mikan > Wilt. Deal with it.

Mikand admitted in 1956 that a COLLEGE Russell was the greatest player. He of course, didn't even know Wilt at the time. A Chamberlain who would shell Russell his entire career, and outvote him on First Team All-NBA's by a 7-2 margin in their 10 seasons together.

And before some clown brings up 11-2...

Wilt vs Russell in WIN -SHARES.



And, using that WIN SHARES stat, here is the yearly breakdown between Russell and Wilt, in their 10 years in the league together...

'59-60: Wilt 17.0 (1), Russell 13.8 (2)
'60-61: Wilt 18.8 (1), Russell 13.0 (5)
'61-62: Wilt 23.1 (1), Russell 15.5 (4)
'62-63: Wilt 20.9 (1), Russell 13.5 (6)
'63-64: Wilt 25.0 (1), Russell 17.3 (3)
'64-65: Wilt 15.1 (4), Russell 16.9 (2) Oscar with 17.0 was (1)
'65-66: Wilt 21.4 (1), Russell 11.7 (4)
'66-67: Wilt 21.9 (1), Russell 12.2 (4)
'67-68: Wilt 20.4 (1), Russell 8.2 (NR)
'68-69: Wilt 14.7 (1), Russell 10.9 (7) Reed tied with Wilt at (1), and as a sidenote, Baylor was NR at 8.5, and West (9), at 10.8.

And, in their 10 years in the league together, Russell had a collective post-season Win-Share of 23.1, as compared to Wilt's 22.6. BUT, Russell's came in 135 playoff games, to Wilt's 98. At the same rate, Chamberlain would have been at 31.3. Incidently, Wilt had more post-season Win Shares in their last three seasons in the league together, and they each played in 46 playoff games. In fact, Wilt led the post-season in Win Shares in those three seasons. BTW, Russell played in 165 playoff games, and his post-season Win Shares were at 27.8. Chamberlain played in 160 playoff games, and he was at 31.5.

Again, just pure dominance in every category.

[JohnFreeman]

We should just cut all achievements and championships up until 1980

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Mikand admitted in 1956 that a COLLEGE Russell was the greatest player. He of course, didn't even know Wilt at the time. A Chamberlain who would shell Russell his entire career, and outvote him on First Team All-NBA's by a 7-2 margin in their 10 seasons together.

And before some clown brings up 11-2...

Wilt vs Russell in WIN -SHARES.


You wanna bring up win shares than what about Mikan's ridiculous 4.2 while playing with a broken arm in the NBA finals in a 10 game playoff run back in '49?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

We should just cut all achievements and championships up until 1980
Did you ever see the great George Mikan play?

[LAZERUSS]

We should just cut all achievements and championships up until 1980

That would really be ridiculous, since the first FOUR MVPs of the 80's, were players who played in the 70's. The first FIVE scoring leaders...played in the 70's. The first SIX rebounding champions...played in the 70's. And the first FIVE FG% title winners...played in the 70's.

Do we just ignore their great seasons in the 70's?

[LAZERUSS]

You wanna bring up win shares than what about Mikan's ridiculous 4.2 while playing with a broken arm in the NBA finals in a 10 game playoff run back in '49?

I don't recall him facing Kurland in any of those games, do you?

Otherwise... 0.0 win shares in '49.

[JohnFreeman]

That would really be ridiculous, since the first FOUR MVPs of the 80's, were players who played in the 70's. The first FIVE scoring leaders...played in the 70's. The first SIX rebounding champions...played in the 70's. And the first FIVE FG% title winners...played in the 70's.

Do we just ignore their great seasons in the 70's?
Yes

[Rocketswin2013]

George Mikan was legit built like a Christmas tree. Probably the most unathletic "great" I've ever laid eyes on.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Now it's clearly obvious Mikan was easily greater and a better player than Wilt, but how much was the gap would you say? From my experience it was vast, what's your take?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I don't recall him facing Kurland in any of those games, do you?

Otherwise... 0.0 win shares in '49.
Mikan hater identified cant refute facts.

[Deuce Bigalow]

How mad is Lazeruss that 7 timer Mikan is greater than his little 2 timer Wilt? :oldlol: At least Laz can take pride in being younger than me as I lived to a very old age and my time is limited and his is not.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Now it's clearly obvious Mikan was easily greater and a better player than Wilt, but how much was the gap would you say? From my experience it was vast, what's your take?

Mikan is on another planet as far as i'm concerned. Mikan dominated in the '49 playoffs while playing with a broken arm in the finals. Wilt couldn't even play well in the playoffs with all his limbs in tact.

[LAZERUSS]

Now it's clearly obvious Mikan was easily greater and a better player than Wilt, but how much was the gap would you say? From my experience it was vast, what's your take?

Deuce taking back-and-forth with Deuce (RoundMound).

Deuce...the "Sybil" of ISH.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Deuce taking back-and-forth with Deuce (RoundMound).

Deuce...the "Sybil" of ISH.
Have Jeff do an IP check. We aren't the same person. Great minds just think alike I suppose.

[LAZERUSS]

Mikan is on another planet as far as i'm concerned. Mikan dominated in the '49 playoffs while playing with a broken arm in the finals. Wilt couldn't even play well in the playoffs with all his limbs in tact.

A 35 year old Chamberlain DOMINATED the '72 Finals with one badly sprained wrist, and the other wrist...FRACTURED.

He also played the '70 playoffs on basically one leg (only four months after major knee surgery) and took his under-dog Lakers, to a game seven against the Knicks, in a series in which he averaged 23.2 ppg, 24.1 rpg, and shot .625 from the field.

Just what was Mikan doing at ages 33 and 35?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

A 35 year old Chamberlain DOMINATED the '72 Finals with one badly sprained wrist, and the other wrist...FRACTURED.

He also played the '70 playoffs on basically one leg (only four months after major knee surgery) and took his under-dog Lakers, to a game seven against the Knicks, in a series in which he averaged 23.2 ppg, 24.1 rpg, and shot .625 from the field.

Just what was Mikan doing at ages 33 and 35?

Dat 19.4 ppg. Dominance :bowdown:

Unfortunately Mikan's career was cut short by injury. Doesn't really matter though since he accomplished more in 7 years than Wilt did in 13.

[LAZERUSS]

Dat 19.4 ppg. Dominance :bowdown:

Unfortunately Mikan's career was cut short by injury. Doesn't really matter though since he accomplished more in 7 years than Wilt did in 13.

Of course a "Wilt-basher" would never bring up the fact that Chamberlain slaughtered the entire Knick team on the glass in that series, and also shot .600 from the field, while blocking 7.4 shots per game. Oh, and winning the FMVP, too.

BTW, Wilt's teammates collectively shot .414 from the field in their '72 title run. How in the hell was Wilt able to overcome that, and STILL lead them to a dominating world title?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Of course a "Wilt-basher" would never bring up the fact that Chamberlain slaughtered the entire Knick team on the glass in that series, and also shot .600 from the field.

BTW, Wilt's teammates collectively shot .414 from the field in their '72 title run. How in the hell was Wilt able to overcome that, and STILL lead them to a dominating world title?
Mikan's teammates shot even worse in ALL 5 of his runs iirc.

[LAZERUSS]

Mikan's teammates shot even worse in ALL 5 of his runs iirc.

What was their collective FG% against the league average in those five?

Hmmm...I just grabbed their '52 post-season. Mikan shot .379 from the field...and the entire team shot .403. Which, of course, means that his teammates shot WAY better than he did.

BTW, Wilt had post-seasons in which his teammates collectively shot .383, .354, .352, .352, and .332.

[LAZERUSS]

Oh, and in '53...Mikan shot .366, while his entire team shot .377 (which, of course, means that his teammates shot better than .377.)

Next ridiculous argument about being "carried"...

[Deuce Bigalow]

Of course a "Wilt-basher" would never bring up the fact that Chamberlain slaughtered the entire Knick team on the glass in that series, and also shot .600 from the field, while blocking 7.4 shots per game. Oh, and winning the FMVP, too.

BTW, Wilt's teammates collectively shot .414 from the field in their '72 title run. How in the hell was Wilt able to overcome that, and STILL lead them to a dominating world title?
Willis Reed didn't even play. If he did it would have been a repeat of the '70 and '73 Finals and Wilt would have one ring.

Wilt didn't need to overcome anything. He was the 3rd leading scorer on his own team.

[Deuce Bigalow]

What was their collective FG% against the league average in those five?

Hmmm...I just grabbed their '52 post-season. Mikan shot .379 from the field...and the entire team shot .403. Which, of course, means that his teammates shot WAY better than he did.

BTW, Wilt had post-seasons in which his teammates collectively shot .383, .354, .352, .352, and .332.
Yeah we know Wilt didn't make his teammates better and did not have an impact beyond stats. This is well known, it's why he only won a measly two times. Mikan on the other hand on was the opposite, so was Bill Russell.

[Marchesk]

We should just cut all achievements and championships up until 1980

And before 2012.

[Deuce Bigalow]

A 35 year old Chamberlain DOMINATED the '72 Finals with one badly sprained wrist, and the other wrist...FRACTURED.

He also played the '70 playoffs on basically one leg (only four months after major knee surgery) and took his under-dog Lakers, to a game seven against the Knicks, in a series in which he averaged 23.2 ppg, 24.1 rpg, and shot .625 from the field.

Just what was Mikan doing at ages 33 and 35?
Mikan at age 30 was retired and at home polishing his SEVEN championship rings. Wilt was busy underperforming in the playoffs and it took him the the age of 35 years old to accumulate TWO championships.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Oh, and in '53...Mikan shot .366, while his entire team shot .377 (which, of course, means that his teammates shot better than .377.)

Next ridiculous argument about being "carried"...
First off the I never said Wilt was "carried". But as you can clearly see from the stats you posted, Wilt never made his teammates better. He was just a black-hole, unlike Mikan who had the passing ability of a prime Bird.