If The Heat Lose The Finals, should the big 3 joining up be considered a success?

[coin24]

Where does bran rank all time? And was the collusion worth it??

2-4 in the finals,


2011: L
2012: W
2013: W
2014: L (for this arguments sake..)

Promising not 6, not 7 etc.. 2 out of 4 for the collusion, was it worth it??

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

what a waste of a sunday for the nba. would be tits if the series started tonight.

[NumberSix]

Better than he would if he didn't make the finals at all.

[LBJ4MVP23]

Better than he would if he didn't make the finals at all.

Dont you know? Its better to get destroyed in the first round than lose in the finals. The further you go the worse you are.

[greymatter]

These forums will be so much better after all the whiny Kobetards commit sepuku in 2.5 weeks.

[All Net]

OP thread edited because it's the only way this topic would of stayed.

what the OP highlighted was clearly agenda and troll bait for Lebron stans. Hense why it was edited.

this can be a discussion worth talking about but the OP clearly made it to get Lebron fans angry.

[Bandito]

OP thread edited because it's the only way this topic would of stayed.

what the OP highlighted was clearly agenda and troll bait for Lebron stans. Hense why it was edited.

this can be a discussion worth talking about but the OP clearly made it to get Lebron fans angry.
:biggums:

[All Net]

:biggums:

Well it can, talking about the success of the big 3 joining up.Should 2 titles be enough? Should they get more e.t.c...If it does end on two titles is that ok?

[Bandito]

Well in that case no. They should win a lot more considering they have three top players that colluded to win more championships than the MJ's Bulls.

[coin24]

Ok re-edited it:cheers:

[JohnFreeman]

4 trips to the finals is great

[coin24]

4 trips to the finals is great


Kind of proves the weak east theory though.
Especially for bran going 2-5 personally and even 2-4 for the heat since team up..

[FLDFSU]

I know I am going to regret asking this, but OP where to you get 2-5 from?

[JohnFreeman]

Kind of proves the weak east theory though.
Especially for bran going 2-5 personally and even 2-4 for the heat since team up..
Any trip to the finals is good

[beastee]

4 in a row is something not even the GOAT did (although it would have happened), so heck yes its been a success. They have dominated the headlines and won pretty easily since they got together.

[Doranku]

Given how shitty the average Eastern Conference opponent is and how stacked the Heat have been compared to the rest of the Conference, it would be a failure if they lost this year.

I don't know how you could consider winning two rings in four years while being heavy favorites each year a success.

[plowking]

Given how shitty the average Eastern Conference opponent is and how stacked the Heat have been compared to the rest of the Conference, it would be a failure if they lost this year.

I don't know how you could consider winning two rings in four years while being heavy favorites each year a success.

They weren't favourite against the Thunder.

They were favourites two times out of three, and they have won 2 out of 3. Seems pretty spot on.

[coin24]

I know I am going to regret asking this, but OP where to you get 2-5 from?


Read the title... IF THE HEAT LOSE THE FINALS THIS YEAR..
Lebron is already 2-4 so another loss would be 2-5...
Making it 2-4 for the colluded team. It's a 2 part question.:cheers:



I think it shows they steamroll the east, then when they face a real opponent from the west it's not so easy..
2-4. Not impressive

[Mr Feeny]

They weren't favourite against the Thunder.

They were favourites two times out of three, and they have won 2 out of 3. Seems pretty spot on.

Reaching the finals every single year and winning atleast half of them is a success either way. Don't mind the bitter Kobe bumlicker.

[Mr Feeny]

Read the title... IF THE HEAT LOSE THE FINALS THIS YEAR..
Lebron is already 2-4 so another loss would be 2-5...
Making it 2-4 for the colluded team. It's a 2 part question.:cheers:



I think it shows they steamroll the east, then when they face a real opponent from the west it's not so easy..
2-4. Not impressive

Awww Kobe is 2 for his last 4 in the finals:lol
Weak west apparently by ur logic:applause:

[coin24]

Reaching the finals every single year and winning atleast half of them is a success either way. Don't mind the bitter Kobe bumlicker.


If the current spurs or thunder switched places with the heat they'd make the finals every year also. Winning the east is not an achievement..

[coin24]

Awww Kobe is 2 for his last 4 in the finals:lol
Weak west apparently by ur logic:applause:

:roll:

5-7. Top 5 GOAT.


And no. The east is a joke anyone with half a brain can see this..

[west_tip]

The team was constructed to win championships and given their promise to win "not one, not two............ etc" you'd have to feel that two from four was a disappointing return.

At this stage Bron's legacy is in tatters anyway, the 2011 choke job (game 4 in particular) and last years game 6 showed he's just not worthy of the Jordan comparisons. On the biggest stage in crunch time Bron looked shook.

[Mr Feeny]

:roll:

5-7. Top 5 GOAT.


And no. The east is a joke anyone with half a brain can see this..

Err no. Top 12 though:applause:

Meanwhile Lebron and Duncan continue to pull away :cheers:

[JohnFreeman]

The team was constructed to win championships and given their promise to win "not one, not two............ etc" you'd have to feel that two from four was a disappointing return.

At this stage Bron's legacy is in tatters anyway, the 2011 choke job (game 4 in particular) and last years game 6 showed he's just not worthy of the Jordan comparisons. On the biggest stage in crunch time Bron looked shook.
Exaggeration much?

[FLDFSU]

Read the title... IF THE HEAT LOSE THE FINALS THIS YEAR..
Lebron is already 2-4 so another loss would be 2-5...
Making it 2-4 for the colluded team. It's a 2 part question.:cheers:



I think it shows they steamroll the east, then when they face a real opponent from the west it's not so easy..
2-4. Not impressive


Oh you mean 2/4 and 2/5...not two wins and four loses.

Carry on with your trolling.

[gts]

Yes they would be considered a success.. even if they all (big3) decided to pack it up after this season and go their separate ways they'd still have had one of the better runs in NBA history.

[coin24]

Oh you mean 2/4 and 2/5...not two wins and four loses.

Carry on with your trolling.


No trolling just facts.

I'm guessing you find 2/4 impressive? After the big celebration and promises they made??

[west_tip]

Exaggeration much?

No, its a valid characterization. That tacky "Not one not two" unveiling was like something out of the Vince McMahon playbook. Jordan would never have cheapened his legacy with such a crappy stunt.

I mean watch it again, its impossible to watch it and not cringe with embarrassment, why Riley gave the green light to it I'll never know: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT-I8jQDQ7c&feature=kp

[BigTicket]

This is one of the dumbest threads I have ever read.

Every single team in the league would love to have the record that Miami has had these last 4 years, whether they win this finals or not.

[JohnFreeman]

This is one of the dumbest threads I have ever read.

Every single team in the league would love to have the record that Miami has had these last 4 years, whether they win this finals or not.
Pretty much. Laker fans wouldn't bat an eye lid if this was Kobe.

[Mr Feeny]

No trolling just facts.

I'm guessing you find 2/4 impressive? After the big celebration and promises they made??

Definitely impressive. Stay shook:lol

[Mr Feeny]

Pretty much. Laker fans wouldn't bat an eye lid if this was Kobe.

Except Kobe never could lead his team to 4 finals in a row:no:

[jazz873]

It was a success after they won their first championship.

[JohnFreeman]

Except Kobe never could lead his team to 4 finals in a row:no:
That's true.

[BigBoss]

Lebron James 2/5 in NBA finals.

#striveforgreatness

[Mr Feeny]

Lebron James 2/5 in NBA finals.

#striveforgreatness

2 FMVPs and 4 MVPs > 2 FMPs and 1 MVP

#StayShook:lol

[Asukal]

4 in a row is something not even the GOAT did (although it would have happened), so heck yes its been a success. They have dominated the headlines and won pretty easily since they got together.

Wow. Last year's finals was easy? I wonder why people act like Rayray didn't save bran's legacy last year. :rolleyes:

[Mr Feeny]

Wow. Last year's finals was easy? I wonder why people act like Rayray didn't save bran's legacy last year. :rolleyes:

Awww hush little hater. You're thinking of Horry game 4 against the Kings:cheers:

[Asukal]

Awww hush little hater. You're thinking of Horry game 4 against the Kings:cheers:

I'm a hater when I'm stating facts? If Ray didn't hit that shot, your idol would be 1 out of 4 in the finals. But please go on and tell me again how easy last year's finals was... :rolleyes:

[Mr Feeny]

I'm a hater when I'm stating facts? If Ray didn't hit that shot, your idol would be 1 out of 4 in the finals. But please go on and tell me again how easy last year's finals was... :rolleyes:

1-Lebron James is not my idol. I am not even a Miami Heat fan.

2-I never said last season was easy.

3-Kobe is "luckier" than any star in history and had his butt saved more than any superstar in the history of this league.

:cheers:

[gts]

I'm a hater when I'm stating facts? If Ray didn't hit that shot, your idol would be 1 out of 4 in the finals. But please go on and tell me again how easy last year's finals was... :rolleyes:

Just ignore him, not worth the time, he's a troll baiting posters... he'll be banned in a week at this rate..

[Mr Feeny]

Just ignore him, not worth the time, he's a troll baiting posters... he'll be banned in a week at this rate..

Say gts? That's grand:oldlol:
Carry on trolling Kobtards:applause:

[Kingwillball]

IMO a semi success cause they did what they were supposed to getting there but u need to finish as well..win or lose Miami needs to retool roster i expect them to look slightly different at least role players come next season. I hope Allen plays one or two more seasons.. Dude great in his role. Need to add a younger athletic wing who can take some minutes from Lebron Allen or Wade in regular season and contribute in playoffs. Love to see bird back but adding another big would be great. Not sure Miami wants to go away from small ball lineups added traditional center and moving bosh to 4 would change there dynamic.

[ALBballer]

Semi-success. If the Heat pulled this off in the West I would be much more impressed. Indiana has been the biggest threat to them in the East the past two years and they would be a bottom half playoff seed in the West. Spurs had to go through teams like Dallas, Portland, OKC to get to the championship. These teams would be top seeds in the East.

Even teams like the Cavs and the Magic have made it to the finals in the East in these past few years. The East is a joke.

[Hey Yo]

Given how shitty the average Eastern Conference opponent is and how stacked the Heat have been compared to the rest of the Conference, it would be a failure if they lost this year.

I don't know how you could consider winning two rings in four years while being heavy favorites each year a success.
Right before tip-off of the Finals, they were the favorites in 2011, underdogs 2012, last year and so far again this year.

Losing as the underdog isn't nearly as bad as losing being the favorite.

[Mr Exlax]

1 championship made it a success. They joined up to win and they won.

[B-hoop]

1 championship made it a success. They joined up to win and they won.

If 1 championship is success then why the hell did Lebron collude? He probably would have won at least one championship in Cleveland considering how weak the East is. His would-be main competition (wade) is a shell of himself, and he is playing in a stacked team, imagine if he had to carry the heat all by himself going against Lebron Cavs.. he would have retired last year.

[TheCorporation]

Insecure Kobe fans coming out in droves :lol

[Hey Yo]

If 1 championship is success then why the hell did Lebron collude? He probably would have won at least one championship in Cleveland considering how weak the East is. His would-be main competition (wade) is a shell of himself, and he is playing in a stacked team, imagine if he had to carry the heat all by himself going against Lebron Cavs.. he would have retired last year.
collusion - noun

secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others.

LeBron did the above definition?

[Mr Feeny]

collusion - noun

secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others.

LeBron did the above definition?

No sir!

[Basketball Fan]

1 championship made it a success. They joined up to win and they won.


I agree and I hate LeBron and Wade


Its not easy to win a title in any sport there are so many great players who never win one championship.

[coin24]

collusion - noun

secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others.

LeBron did the above definition?


Secretly discussed with bosh and wade to conspire the team up and cheat us fans out of competitive eastern conference playoff matchups, thus creating an easy path to the finals every year.

Also deceiving cavs fans by promising Cleveland a ring.

[B-hoop]

Well if you dont think Lebron secretly cooperated with Wade and Bosh to join the same team and deceived Cleveland when he told them he would win a championship there, then i dont know what you think happened.

[HOoopCityJones]

Been a damn success , they've already won twice outta three trips.

[Hey Yo]

Secretly discussed with bosh and wade to conspire the team up and cheat us fans out of competitive eastern conference playoff matchups, thus creating an easy path to the finals every year.

Also deceiving cavs fans by promising Cleveland a ring.
None of the above is illegal or against NBA rules.

If you wanna go that route, then why is it well documented (in June of 2010) that James was trying to get Bosh to come to Cleveland?

[Hey Yo]

Well if you dont think Lebron secretly cooperated with Wade and Bosh to join the same team and deceived Cleveland when he told them he would win a championship there, then i dont know what you think happened.
: secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/collusion

What did they do that was illegal or against NBA rules?

[houston]

no it wouldn't

[Papaya Petee]

If the Heat going 2 out of 4 isn't a success, then I guess Bird's Celtics were a fail as well.