Duncan and LeBron both playing for a spot in the top 5 all time.

[atljonesbro]

With a championship and finals MVP I think both of these players move into the top 5. This NBA Finals could really shake up a lot of people's lists.

[gts]

no, being a top 5 is more than a ring count.

[SexSymbol]

none of those players would have a case for top5 after winning this year's finals.

[avonbarksdale]

how would lebron be top 5

[DMV2]

So Kobe can be a Top 10 All-Time via 5 > __ ? That's really all his dickriders can say. MVPs? 1. F-MVPs? 2.

But LeBron and Duncan can't move up by winning more rings? :lol

[Mr Feeny]

no, being a top 5 is more than a ring count.

That's right. That's why he said 'finals mvp':cheers:
It's the same reason Kobe > Lebron.
Glad you're beginning to understand:D

[Mr Feeny]

none of those players would have a case for top5 after winning this year's finals.

They both would though:cheers:

You mad?

[T_L_P]

none of those players would have a case for top5 after winning this year's finals.

Not having a case is absurd. If Duncan has 5 rings and 4 Finals MVPs, I don't see what case, say, Bird would have over him. And Bird is unanimously considered top 5.

[TheCorporation]

Education time:

For those that say LeBron would not move to top 5 with another chip

He would be a 4x MVP, 3x Champion, with 3x FMVP, and have the coveted 3-peat. Oh, what's that? How many players have 3-peated with 3 straight FMVP?

Jordan
Shaq
LeBron (For sake of the argument)

Oh, that's it? Well okay, then we can look at MVP totals

Jordan 5
LeBron 4
Shaq 1

So you're asking me why should someone be in the top 5 all time when he accomplished something that only two other players have ever done, and, the player in question (LBJ) only has 1 less MVP than the GOAT? Shaq is sitting light with 1 MVP, of course.

Of course, if we also consider LBJ led his team to 4 consecutive NBA Finals appearances, it makes the ranking even easier.

I can only think of a few other players that ever did it.

Birds' Celtics
Magic/Kareem's Lakers
Russell's Celtics

Hmm, don't see Shaq or Jordan on that list...

[Mr Feeny]

Education time:

For those that say LeBron would not move to top 5 with another chip

He would be a 4x MVP, 3x Champion, with 3x FMVP, and have the coveted 3-peat. Oh, what's that? How many players have 3-peated with 3 straight FMVP?

Jordan
Shaq
LeBron (For sake of the argument)

Oh, that's it? Well okay, then we can look at MVP totals

Jordan 5
LeBron 4
Shaq 1

So you're asking me why should someone be in the top 5 all time when he accomplished something that only two other players have ever done, and, the player in question (LBJ) only has 1 less MVP than the GOAT? Shaq is sitting light with 1 MVP, of course.

Of course, if we also consider LBJ led his team to 4 consecutive NBA Finals appearances, it makes the ranking even easier.

I can only think of a few other players that ever did it.

Birds' Celtics
Magic/Kareem's Lakers
Russell's Celtics

Hmm, don't see Shaq or Jordan on that list...

Fully agreed. Lebron would unquestionably be top 5 if he wins a title and finals mvp this year.

[DMV2]

Education time:

For those that say LeBron would not move to top 5 with another chip

He would be a 4x MVP, 3x Champion, with 3x FMVP, and have the coveted 3-peat. Oh, what's that? How many players have 3-peated with 3 straight FMVP?

Jordan
Shaq
LeBron (For sake of the argument)

Oh, that's it? Well okay, then we can look at MVP totals

Jordan 5
LeBron 4
Shaq 1

So you're asking me why should someone be in the top 5 all time when he accomplished something that only two other players have ever done, and, the player in question (LBJ) only has 1 less MVP than the GOAT? Shaq is sitting light with 1 MVP, of course.

Of course, if we also consider LBJ led his team to 4 consecutive NBA Finals appearances, it makes the ranking even easier.

I can only think of a few other players that ever did it.

Birds' Celtics
Magic/Kareem's Lakers
Russell's Celtics

Hmm, don't see Shaq or Jordan on that list...
Who cares....

3-4 F-MVP > 2 F-MVP
2-4 MVP > 1 MVP

[Akrazotile]

So Kobe can be a Top 10 All-Time via 5 > __ ? That's really all his dickriders can say. MVPs? 1. F-MVPs? 2.

But LeBron and Duncan can't move up by winning more rings? :lol


Shiiiiiit man, go easy on em! They sensitive bout their Kobe. Don't kill em like that man. :oldlol:

[konex]

I don't feel Spurs can win if Duncan is their best player this series.

[SexSymbol]

They both would though:cheers:

You mad?
No, I'm not mad, and I don't know why would you make that assumption.
Your gimmick is pathetic and sad, be yourself, you're not funny, nor a good troll

To T_L_P,
While I consider Duncan's resume to be worthy of top 5 if he wins a ring this year, I still think that you have to put Bird ahead due to the competition he faced.
I mean, he went to the finals against the best point guard of all time and probably the best center of all time. Winnings 3 rings in such an era and in a relatively short time has to be accounted for, it's not just amount, it's context.
I could see why you'd want to have Duncain top 5, and you'd probably have a case. I may have been wrong about him not having a case, but it still wouldn't do it for me.

[nightprowler10]

I don't think this would vault either LBJ or TD ahead of any of these guys; MJ, Russell, Wilt, Magic, Bird, Kareem...IMO. TD would be close though.

[Kvnzhangyay]

Not having a case is absurd. If Duncan has 5 rings and 4 Finals MVPs, I don't see what case, say, Bird would have over him. And Bird is unanimously considered top 5.

Bird is not even the GOAT SF anymore...

[TheCorporation]

I don't think this would vault either LBJ or TD ahead of any of these guys; MJ, Russell, Wilt, Magic, Bird, Kareem...IMO. TD would be close though.

:biggums: :biggums:

[atljonesbro]

I don't think this would vault either LBJ or TD ahead of any of these guys; MJ, Russell, Wilt, Magic, Bird, Kareem...IMO. TD would be close though.
They both definitely jump over Wilt and Bird

[lilgodfather1]

I think only three players would bave a case over James.

My current list

Jordan
Magic
Kaj
Wilt
Russ
Shaq
Duncan/Bird
James
Bryant

With 3 straight fmvps

Jordan
Magic
Kaj
James

That's it. Maybe not even KAJ.

And i think it would be safe to put Duncan over Russell imo if he wins it. He isn't supposed to win a fmvp at his age.

[inclinerator]

No, I'm not mad, and I don't know why would you make that assumption.
Your gimmick is pathetic and sad, be yourself, you're not funny, nor a good troll

To T_L_P,
While I consider Duncan's resume to be worthy of top 5 if he wins a ring this year, I still think that you have to put Bird ahead due to the competition he faced.
I mean, he went to the finals against the best point guard of all time and probably the best center of all time. Winnings 3 rings in such an era and in a relatively short time has to be accounted for, it's not just amount, it's context.
I could see why you'd want to have Duncain top 5, and you'd probably have a case. I may have been wrong about him not having a case, but it still wouldn't do it for me.
bird's team is way more stacked tho

[SexSymbol]

I think only three players would bave a case over James.

My current list

Jordan
Magic
Kaj
Wilt
Russ
Shaq
Duncan/Bird
James
Bryant

With 3 straight fmvps

Jordan
Magic
Kaj
James

That's it. Maybe not even KAJ.

And i think it would be safe to put Duncan over Russell imo if he wins it. He isn't supposed to win a fmvp at his age.
Russell wasn't supposed to win 11 rings too :)

[Unbiased_one]

No, I'm not mad, and I don't know why would you make that assumption.
Your gimmick is pathetic and sad, be yourself, you're not funny, nor a good troll

To T_L_P,
While I consider Duncan's resume to be worthy of top 5 if he wins a ring this year, I still think that you have to put Bird ahead due to the competition he faced.
I mean, he went to the finals against the best point guard of all time and probably the best center of all time. Winnings 3 rings in such an era and in a relatively short time has to be accounted for, it's not just amount, it's context.
I could see why you'd want to have Duncain top 5, and you'd probably have a case. I may have been wrong about him not having a case, but it still wouldn't do it for me.

Do you even know who was on bird's teams at that time?

[Mr Feeny]

Do you even know who was on bird's teams at that time?

Why would he? He's absolutely clueless. ...

[lilgodfather1]

Russell wasn't supposed to win 11 rings too :)
True, but playing with a team of HOF players, and in an era with no real competition it is far less surprising than Duncan being an actual all star level player at his age. I can't believe how good he has been. If LeBron ages like this you can forget about Jordan.

[DMV2]

4-Peat(on both rings & F-MVP), 6 MVPs and LeBron can be GOAT.

Everything else won't even matter.

[lilgodfather1]

4-Peat(on both rings & F-MVP), 6 MVPs and LeBron can be GOAT.

Everything else won't even matter.
Pretty much the way i see it too. A 30 year old GOAT.

[SexSymbol]

True, but playing with a team of HOF players, and in an era with no real competition it is far less surprising than Duncan being an actual all star level player at his age. I can't believe how good he has been. If LeBron ages like this you can forget about Jordan.
You don't know too much about Jordan's career do you?

[SexSymbol]

Why would he? He's absolutely clueless. ...
Your continuing attempts at discrediting me or any other Lakers/Kobe fan is weak.
Yes, I am very aware of what was on Bird's C's teams, but that still was in no way a match to greatest point guard and greatest center of all time, while they had top 3 defensive player and a player that could've been a superstar on any other team alongside them.
Btw, C's dealt with A LOT of injuries too, so the sole fact that Bird has three rings is amazing in itself when the competition was so vastly superior to what LBJ has today. I don't think that's even a discussion, that's just a fact.