prime kobe> 2nd 3 peat jordan

[inclinerator]

as a player

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig0Ms3spYKw

look at that defense and all the soft fouls mj got as a player, most of the shots he took were 1 on 1
kobe dominates 1 on 1
the reason kobe has worse finals number is cuz of the competition he faced

mj is good but let's not believe he's untouchable like some claim

[Magic 32]

Maybe 2008.

Maybe.

[inclinerator]

Now post a video of the sonics defense on him in 96
yea mj struggled when he faced the sonics

[Magic 32]

Now post a video of the sonics defense on him in 96

And Jordan struggled against them.

[kamil]

yea mj struggled when he faced the sonics

Did he win though?

[Magic 32]

Did he win though?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOMKqwsEm8g&t=3m34s

[DonDadda59]

What is this, 2008 all over again? :wtf:

Anyway, choke on this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSe80qSgXVA) :cheers:

[Cold soul]

Maybe 2008.

Maybe.

It's super close, I might give Kobe slight edge over MJ during 96-98. MJ much higher over Kobe during his first three championships not that close when comes to peak/prime play.

[inclinerator]

i dont even like kobe, but after 1000 hrs of extensive research i came to the conclusion, they are very similar players and had kobe been defended like how mj was defended vs the jazz, prime kobe would also have put up big numbers

[andgar923]

Prime Kobe >>>wizards MJ

Fixed

[inclinerator]

Who do you think had the better playoff run

96-98 MJ or 08-10 Kobe?
mj but he did face the jazz twice while kobe faced boston twice

id say orlando's defense were comparable to the jazz

[DonDadda59]

i dont even like kobe, but after 1000 hrs of extensive research i came to the conclusion, they are very similar players and had kobe been defended like how mj was defended vs the jazz, prime kobe would also have put up big numbers

1000 hrs of extensive research :oldlol:

Here's a bit you may have missed.

Bean vs the Jazz in '97 Playoffs: 8.8 PPG (31.6% FG) including the clutch time airballs posted above. *Lakers lost 4-1*

And before the inevitable buh buh buh he was just a newborn baby and that's why he couldn't do a damn thing except launch airballs against that same defense.... he got another crack at them the following year (he was an all star and led the league in bench scoring at 15.4 PPG)

Vs the Jazz in '98 Playoffs: 10 PPG on 36.7% FG *Lakers swept 4-0*

It's 2014 brah, this shit was played out years ago. You guys lost.

[Cold soul]

Who do you think had the better playoff run

96-98 MJ or 08-10 Kobe?

Kobe

[K Xerxes]

Only time this MJ lite got close to the real deal was when MJ was 39-40 years old and maybe as a rookie.

[inclinerator]

1000 hrs of extensive research :oldlol:

Here's a bit you may have missed.

Bean vs the Jazz in '97 Playoffs: 8.8 PPG (31.6% FG) including the clutch time airballs posted above. *Lakers lost 4-1*

And before the inevitable buh buh buh he was just a newborn baby and that's why he couldn't do a damn thing except launch airballs against that same defense.... he got another crack at them the following year (he was an all star and led the league in bench scoring at 15.4 PPG)

Vs the Jazz in '98 Playoffs: 10 PPG on 36.7% FG *Lakers swept 4-0*
It's 2014 brah, this shit was played out years ago. You guys lost.

i am unbiased, i dont root for the lakers or kobe brah, just stating facts that prime kobe and 2nd 3 peat jordan are very comparable players

[Magic 32]

1000 hrs of extensive research :oldlol:

Here's a bit you may have missed.

Bean vs the Jazz in '97 Playoffs: 8.8 PPG (31.6% FG) including the clutch time airballs posted above. *Lakers lost 4-1*

And before the inevitable buh buh buh he was just a newborn baby and that's why he couldn't do a damn thing except launch airballs against that same defense.... he got another crack at them the following year (he was an all star and led the league in bench scoring at 15.4 PPG)

Vs the Jazz in '98 Playoffs: 10 PPG on 36.7% FG *Lakers swept 4-0*

It's 2014 brah, this shit was played out years ago. You guys lost.

He also got a crack at them in 2008, 2009 and 2010.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2008_WCS.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2009_WC1.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2010_WCS.html

[DFish24]

Who do you think had the better playoff run

96-98 MJ or 08-10 Kobe?

Easily Kobe.

[Droid101]

Did he win though?
He did but many people argued at the time that Dennis Rodman should have won FMVP in that series.

[Denitron]

Rapist Kobe>>>Prime Jordan>>>Wizards Jordan>>>all legal forms of Kobe

Rapist Kobe was truly unstoppable :bowdown:

[Warfan]

mj but he did face the jazz twice while kobe faced boston twice

id say orlando's defense were comparable to the jazz

Yeah. IMO -

96 finals > 08 finals
97 finals > 09 finals
98 finals > 10 finals

I think u could argue 09 > 97, maybe 10 > 98 but i think thats a bit of a stretch mainly because of the closeout game...

Kobe was a beast in all 3 conference finals though IIRC, while mike struggled against Zo and the Heat in 97 (i think that was the year)

[Droid101]

He also got a crack at them in 2008, 2009 and 2010.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2008_WCS.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2009_WC1.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2010_WCS.html
Jesus in 2008 he wrecked the Jazz.

[DFish24]

He did but many people argued at the time that Dennis Rodman should have won FMVP in that series.

Agreed. Rodman got robbed in that '96 Finals series.

[Droid101]

Rapist Kobe>>>Prime Jordan>>>Wizards Jordan>>>all legal forms of Kobe

Rapist Kobe was truly unstoppable :bowdown:
I know you're joking but that season they had graphics of Kobe's stats the games right after his court dates and he actually averaged much higher than his season averages those games.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

so what.
LeBron is better than any version of them both

[DonDadda59]

He also got a crack at them in 2008, 2009 and 2010.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2008_WCS.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2009_WC1.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2010_WCS.html

We're talking about the Jazz with Malone, Stockton & Co. when physicality on the perimeter was allowed. Not the no touching, 3 second violation era Boozer/Williams scrub squad. They're not even remotely the same team :biggums:

Bean couldn't do shit in the physical era except launch airballs in the clutch :lol

[Magic 32]

We're talking about the Jazz with Malone, Stockton & Co. when physicality on the perimeter was allowed. Not the no touching, 3 second violation era Boozer/Williams scrub squad. They're not even remotely the same team :biggums:

Bean couldn't do shit in the physical era except launch airballs in the clutch :lol

And that era ended......when Kobe turned 20???

[Droid101]

We're talking about the Jazz with Malone, Stockton & Co. when physicality on the perimeter was allowed. Not the no touching, 3 second violation era Boozer/Williams scrub squad. They're not even remotely the same team :biggums:

Bean couldn't do shit in the physical era except launch airballs in the clutch :lol
Scrub squad?

Some people were picking the Jazz to win. They were very, very good. Selective memories on this forum, damn.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2008/series?series=uthlal Abbott picked the Jazz :roll:

Looks like ESPN deleted their 2010 picks page for that series. Weird, they have all the other series' picks.

[Heavincent]

We're talking about the Jazz with Malone, Stockton & Co. when physicality on the perimeter was allowed. Not the no touching, 3 second violation era Boozer/Williams scrub squad. They're not even remotely the same team :biggums:

Bean couldn't do shit in the physical era except launch airballs in the clutch :lol

Funny because that Jazz team was better than any team Lebron faced on his way to the Finals this year. I only bring this up because I know you're a closet Bran stan :lol

[DonDadda59]

And that era ended......when Kobe turned 20???

Nah, when the NBA started cracking down hard on hand-checking and removing all impediments to perimeter scorers. So around '03 is when the process started but the main catalyst was Bean choking in '04 vs the Pistons. After that the league went overboard with the rule changes which culminated in the summer of '05 3 sec violation/no touching rules. Just compare the scoring leaders in the '04-'05 season to the scoring leaders in '05-'06. Then look at who won the finals MVP and how that same year.

Then go back 10 years to the '95-'96 season (when the Bulls won an NBA record 72 games) and look at who the scoring leaders were then. Couldn't be any more blatant.

[Droid101]

Funny because that Jazz team was better than any team Lebron faced on his way to the Finals this year. I only bring this up because I know you're a closet Bran stan :lol
Yep. That 2008 Jazz team gave the Lakers more trouble than the 56 win Spurs team that year.

I swear, why do Kobe haters have to lie to make a point? It's so sad.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Funny because that Jazz team was better than any team Lebron faced on his way to the Finals this year. I only bring this up because I know you're a closet Bran stan :lol

What gave you that impression? :lol

[DonDadda59]

Funny because that Jazz team was better than any team Lebron faced on his way to the Finals this year. I only bring this up because I know you're a closet Bran stan :lol

:oldlol:

Sherlock Holmes on the case. Keep up the good work, detective :cheers:

http://www.mhpbooks.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/sherlock-holmes.jpg

[Droid101]

Nah, when the NBA started cracking down hard on hand-checking and removing all impediments to perimeter scorers.
You do realize that after they implemented the ability to zone up (somewhat), it became much easier to defend elite wings. You can no longer "clear out." Meaning, back in the day, Jordan would be on one side of the floor with the ball, and all four teammates would be on the other side of the floor. Nobody could shade on the strong side of the paint, you had to stick to your man back then, it was called illegal defense. You could straight up send a double team, but that almost always led to a cutter getting hit with a pass for an easy layup so it almost never happened in those clear out type plays.

Tell me, did you watch the NBA pre-zone? Or are you just pulling shit out of your hat?

[Calabis]

1000 hrs of extensive research :oldlol:

Here's a bit you may have missed.

Bean vs the Jazz in '97 Playoffs: 8.8 PPG (31.6% FG) including the clutch time airballs posted above. *Lakers lost 4-1*

And before the inevitable buh buh buh he was just a newborn baby and that's why he couldn't do a damn thing except launch airballs against that same defense.... he got another crack at them the following year (he was an all star and led the league in bench scoring at 15.4 PPG)

Vs the Jazz in '98 Playoffs: 10 PPG on 36.7% FG *Lakers swept 4-0*

It's 2014 brah, this shit was played out years ago. You guys lost.

http://i.imgur.com/wUFn861.gif

DonDadda blowing up stans bs theories...end this thread

[DonDadda59]

You do realize that after they implemented the ability to zone up (somewhat), it became much easier to defend elite wings. You can no longer "clear out." Meaning, back in the day, Jordan would be on one side of the floor with the ball, and all four teammates would be on the other side of the floor. Nobody could shade on the strong side of the paint, you had to stick to your man back then, it was called illegal defense. You could straight up send a double team, but that almost always led to a cutter getting hit with a pass for an easy layup so it almost never happened in those clear out type plays.

Tell me, did you watch the NBA pre-zone? Or are you just pulling shit out of your hat?

:rolleyes:

Let's play a game. Something similar to what they do in Kindergarten classes all across the country.

One of these is not like the others. Can you spot it?

95-96 Scoring Leaders

1) Michael Jordan 30.6
2) Hakeem Olajuwon 26.9
3) Shaquille O'Neal 26.6
4) Karl Malone 25.7
5) David Robinson 25

05-06 Scoring Leaders (*See summer of '05 rule changes)

1) Kobe Bryant 35
2) Allen Iverson 33
3) LeBron James 31.4
4) Gilbert Arenas 29.3
5) Dwyane Wade 27.2

But yeah, it became easier to guard perimeter players, right?

http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/1374288755_mj-laughing.gif

Stop typing, son.

[Calabis]

You do realize that after they implemented the ability to zone up (somewhat), it became much easier to defend elite wings. You can no longer "clear out." Meaning, back in the day, Jordan would be on one side of the floor with the ball, and all four teammates would be on the other side of the floor. Nobody could shade on the strong side of the paint, you had to stick to your man back then, it was called illegal defense. You could straight up send a double team, but that almost always led to a cutter getting hit with a pass for an easy layup so it almost never happened in those clear out type plays.

Tell me, did you watch the NBA pre-zone? Or are you just pulling shit out of your hat?

Ricky Rubio early 2012:

It’s basketball, so in the end of the day, it’s the same thing. But, over here, maybe, you can run more. There are more spaces because there is a defensive 3 second zone. And it’s easy to play here, because of all the spaces you have, and they can’t be more than 3 seconds in the zone. So that it looks easier going to the rim.

published April 2009

Since 1990, the NBA has instituted a series of rules changes to increase the offensive player's flow and make physical play costly. First came increased penalties for flagrant fouls (1990) and fighting (1993), the implementation of the "five points" rule that called for automatic suspensions of players who amassed a certain number of flagrants (1993). Hand checking was eliminated in 1994. Using the forearm to defend players facing the basket went away in 1997.

In 1999, the league eliminated contact by a defender with his hands and forearms both in the backcourt and frontcourt, except on offensive players who caught the ball below the free throw line extended. Defenses were also prohibited from "re-routing" players off the ball. This freed up perimeter players who used screens to get open. Nor were defenders able any more to grab or impede offensive players setting screens. In 2001, the defensive three-second rule eliminated defenders camping out in the lane away from their offensive man to help.

From 05/13/2012

The most significant change in recent years are frequently referred to as the "hand-check rules," but they are not rule changes at all. Instead, based on the advice of a special 2001 committee led by then-Suns owner Jerry Colangelo, the league ended the boring, grind-it-out defensive style of the Pat Riley Knicks by instructing referees to more tightly enforce existing rules against impeding the progress of offensive players, especially with hand-checking. Since then, any contact that affects an offensive player's speed, rhythm, balance or quickness is a foul -- a change that has goosed up the league's offensive numbers; inspiring some of the greatest offenses in NBA history (including this year's Spurs and the Phoenix Suns of a few years ago); and emboldening rim-attacking players like Derrick Rose, Rajon Rondo, Dwyane Wade and Russell Westbrook.


NBA.com: Since the hand-checking rule was interpreted differently beginning in the 2004-05 season, the game has opened up. Players are penetrating and the floor is spread. As a result, scoring has risen every season. Was this anticipated back in 2004?

Stu Jackson: No. The scoring increase was not our goal. Our objective was to allow for more offensive freedom by not allowing defenders to hand-, forearm- or body-check ball handlers. By doing so, we encouraged more dribble penetration. As players penetrated more, it produced higher quality shots for the ball handler as well as shots for teammates on passes back out to perimeter. When NBA players get higher quality shots -- having more time to shoot -- they tend to make more of them.

NBA.com: Shooting percentages have risen since 2004-05 regardless of location -- at-the-rim shots, short- and deep-mid range and 3-pointers. Does this surprise you, especially the higher percentages from 3-point range?

SJ: It doesn't. With the rule and interpretation changes, it has become more difficult for defenders to defend penetration, cover the entire floor on defensive rotations and recover to shooters. This has provided more time for shooters to ready themselves for quality shots. With more dribble penetration, ball handlers are getting more opportunities at the rim. Additionally, teams now realize the 3-point shot is a great competitive equalizer, so they are taking more; they have improved their skill level on threes and are making them at a higher rate.

In a recent interview, Thorn said that the NBA had changed the rule to give an advantage to the offensive player.

“It’s more difficult now to guard the quick wing player who can handle the ball,” Thorn said of the change. “I think it helps skilled players over someone who just has strength or toughness. What the NBA is trying to do is promote unimpeded movement for dribblers or cutters.”


From the horses mouth who played in this era

“It’s more of a finesse game. It’s more small ball. Which, personally, I don’t really care much for,” Bryant said. Like so many from the old-school – even at 35, Bryant qualifies – he is befuddled at the soft stuff now that passes for physical play. “Makes me nauseous,” he said. “You can’t touch a guy….

“Nowadays, anybody can get out there and get to the basket – you can’t touch ‘em,” he said. “Back then, if you have guys putting their hands on you, you have to have the skills to be able to go both ways, change directions, post up and have that mid-range game, because you didn’t want to go all the way to the basket because you’d get knocked [down].”

[DonDadda59]

^Don't waste your energy. We've been down this road how many times over the years? This was all settled a long time ago. Bean stans are just feeling sensitive right now because either Bron or Old Man Duncan are walking away with another ring in a few weeks. They need to lie to themselves like old times to take the pain away. Feel kind of bad doin em like that now :(
























Sike.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/1374288755_mj-laughing.gif

[Carter_17]

Kobe > M.J but M.J is the idol NBA needed thats why he is so out of criticism and comparison. In fact OP is right, M.J had worse competition and that's why his stats are better. Also keep in mind that Kobe had to put so much effort in some seasons in order to keep the team on track , specially in the time between Shaq trade and Pau trade. He had to play more minutes, defend more , be the playmaker , be the leader , be the scorer. M.J always had somebody to Rebound and play def .

[Rocketswin2013]

1000 hrs of extensive research :oldlol:

Here's a bit you may have missed.

Bean vs the Jazz in '97 Playoffs: 8.8 PPG (31.6% FG) including the clutch time airballs posted above. *Lakers lost 4-1*

And before the inevitable buh buh buh he was just a newborn baby and that's why he couldn't do a damn thing except launch airballs against that same defense.... he got another crack at them the following year (he was an all star and led the league in bench scoring at 15.4 PPG)

Vs the Jazz in '98 Playoffs: 10 PPG on 36.7% FG *Lakers swept 4-0*

It's 2014 brah, this shit was played out years ago. You guys lost.
Byron Russell must have stolen Kobe's soul.

[andgar923]

People are still using the 'zone' argument? :oldlol: :oldlol:

That shit's been debunked a number of times.

BTw... the league started to crack down on hand checking in the late 90s, naturally star players were the biggest beneficiaries of the new enforcement. Young kobe being one of them.

[Calabis]

^Don't waste your energy. We've been down this road how many times over the years? This was all settled a long time ago. Bean stans are just feeling sensitive right now because either Bron or Old Man Duncan are walking away with another ring in a few weeks. They need to lie to themselves like old times to take the pain away. Feel kind of bad doin em like that now :(
























Sike.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/1374288755_mj-laughing.gif

Yeah but you see how its like a light to roaches.....the scatter and hide when we do it :oldlol:

[Calabis]

Byron Russell must have stolen Kobe's soul.

Look at the video..the "New Era" athletic Kobe, couldn't shake the piss poor Russell:lol

[Calabis]

Kobe > M.J but M.J is the idol NBA needed thats why he is so out of criticism and comparison. In fact OP is right, M.J had worse competition and that's why his stats are better. Also keep in mind that Kobe had to put so much effort in some seasons in order to keep the team on track , specially in the time between Shaq trade and Pau trade. He had to play more minutes, defend more , be the playmaker , be the leader , be the scorer. M.J always had somebody to Rebound and play def .

^^^^Ignore all facts^^^^^

and keep

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http://static.foxsports.com/content/fscom/img/2013/06/04/060413-NBA-You-Lose-Kobe-PI-AA_20130604235246227_660_320.JPG

Kobestan Nation butthurt

[andgar923]

Kobe > M.J but M.J is the idol NBA needed thats why he is so out of criticism and comparison. In fact OP is right, M.J had worse competition and that's why his stats are better. Also keep in mind that Kobe had to put so much effort in some seasons in order to keep the team on track , specially in the time between Shaq trade and Pau trade. He had to play more minutes, defend more , be the playmaker , be the leader , be the scorer. M.J always had somebody to Rebound and play def .

How old are you?

[Calabis]

How old are you?

https://i.imgur.com/ez0wIBP.jpg

Now he's going to act like he saw the Jordan era:roll:

[Carter_17]

^^^^Ignore all facts^^^^^

and keep

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http://static.foxsports.com/content/fscom/img/2013/06/04/060413-NBA-You-Lose-Kobe-PI-AA_20130604235246227_660_320.JPG

Kobestan Nation butthurt

Facts? Judging impact only on stats is facts? Then NBA teams should fire their scouts , no point wasting money on them , while they can just look at the box scores and decide who's the better player.

[moe94]

Jordan stans going in. Kobe stans bit off more than they could chew.

[mehyaM24]

Jordan stans going in. Kobe stans bit off more than they could chew.

jordan stans are a funny bunch. you got them coming outta the woodwork here lead by dondadda, yet they're nowhere to be found in the lebron/jordan threads.

these bitchass fools dont wanna see bron....they got zilch! :oldlol:

[f0und]

jordan led his team to his team to 72 wins and 69 wins in consecutive years, along with winning the titles.

if you switched out jordan for kobe, can you really picture kobe doing as good or better? my answer is hell to the *ucking no. im not sure theyd even win the title. actually im pretty dam sure they wouldnt. jordan doesnt a big front line to win the ship. kobe has always needed it.

[Calabis]

jordan stans are a funny bunch. you got them coming outta the woodwork here lead by dondadda, yet they're nowhere to be found in the lebron/jordan threads.

these bitchass fools dont wanna see bron....they got zilch! :oldlol:

:facepalm

this mf'er had to much to drink today

http://i.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/tumblr_m67hygavqx1qaoq6yo2_250.gif

[moe94]

jordan stans are a funny bunch. you got them coming outta the woodwork here lead by dondadda, yet they're nowhere to be found in the lebron/jordan threads.

these bitchass fools dont wanna see bron....they got zilch! :oldlol:

Dadda shits on LeBron from time to time. :coleman:

[DonDadda59]

jordan stans are a funny bunch. you got them coming outta the woodwork here lead by dondadda, yet they're nowhere to be found in the lebron/jordan threads.

these bitchass fools dont wanna see bron....they got zilch!

I like this guy :oldlol:

If you wanted your boy to visit some threads, all you had to do was ask. I stopped by the MJ/LeBron finals comparison thread, had a good laugh then moved on though. The OP kinda spoke for itself on that one. If you can point me to a non comedy thread I might stop in and say hello. :cheers:

[andgar923]

Facts? Judging impact only on stats is facts? Then NBA teams should fire their scouts , no point wasting money on them , while they can just look at the box scores and decide who's the better player.

Not sure if see ri ouhs

[andgar923]

Just to make things clear.

I think I speak for most MJ fans (or ball fans with a sense or reality)

Bron>>>> kobe

Kobe is the more versatile scorer and closest to MJ in that regard.

But Bron is a more dominant and better player no question

[poido123]

Pretty close IMO.

Too close to call, I really wouldn't mind if you said Kobe.

[Carter_17]

jordan led his team to his team to 72 wins and 69 wins in consecutive years, along with winning the titles.

if you switched out jordan for kobe, can you really picture kobe doing as good or better? my answer is hell to the *ucking no. im not sure theyd even win the title. actually im pretty dam sure they wouldnt. jordan doesnt a big front line to win the ship. kobe has always needed it.


:lol :lol :lol

Pippen got bulls to the ECF in 94 without Jordan . Now add Kobe to that and you tell me that they can't win titles :lol

Edit: My bad it was EC semi finals

[Calabis]

:lol :lol :lol

Pippen got bulls to the ECF in 94 without Jordan . Now add Kobe to that and you tell me that they can't win titles :lol

http://www.digitalelite.net/Pages/DigitalElite/Images/BreakingNews.gif

No he didn't

[mehyaM24]

Just to make things clear.

I think I speak for most MJ fans (or ball fans with a sense or reality)

Bron>>>> kobe

Kobe is the more versatile scorer and closest to MJ in that regard.

But Bron is a more dominant and better player no question

bron also >>> jordan, who faced trash in the 90s

id also take 2nd 3peat jordan over any version of kobe. the thing with kobe is...he actually faced legit swingmen. same with lebron obviously.

jordan? not so much

[Carter_17]

http://www.digitalelite.net/Pages/DigitalElite/Images/BreakingNews.gif

No he didn't


My bad it was EC semi finals . Still they lost from Knicks at game 7 and I really can't see Reggie or Hakeem be able to stop a pippen + kobe duo.

[andgar923]

bron also >>> jordan, who faced trash in the 90s

id also take 2nd 3peat jordan over any version of kobe. the thing with kobe is...he actually faced legit swingmen. same with lebron obviously.

jordan? not so much
The same ones that MJ embarrassed as a 40 year old? :lol :lol

[mehyaM24]

The same ones that MJ embarrassed as a 40 year old? :lol :lol

...40 year old jordan shot the lowest TS% of any player averaging 20ppg:roll:

[andgar923]

Bowen, Artest, Battier some of the best defenders of today's era if not the best wing defenders have all said MJ was the best and hardest player they've ever guarded. And they had to guard him when he was 40. :confusedshrug:

Actually when MJ was working out for his Wizards comeback and before he broke his ribs he was wrecking shit. He was embarrassing them so badly that Artest had to break his ribs.

When a relatively healthy Wiz MJ (whatever one might consider a 39 year old) was playing, he was killing the competition.

So much for modern day advanced players and defense :oldlol:

[Calabis]

My bad it was EC semi finals . Still they lost from Knicks at game 7 and I really can't see Reggie or Hakeem be able to stop a pippen + kobe duo.

I agree

[Calabis]

...40 year old jordan shot the lowest TS% of any player averaging 20ppg:roll:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vsj_61lhpew

[andgar923]

...40 year old jordan shot the lowest TS% of any player averaging 20ppg:roll:

His production suffered because his body couldn't perform on a consistent level, NOT because he couldn't play.

Name the top defenders of today's era and MJ got his way with them when matched up.

[eliteballer]

Bowen, Artest, Battier some of the best defenders of today's era if not the best wing defenders have all said MJ was the best and hardest player they've ever guarded. And they had to guard him when he was 40. :confusedshrug:

Actually when MJ was working out for his Wizards comeback and before he broke his ribs he was wrecking shit. He was embarrassing them so badly that Artest had to break his ribs.



Stop making sh!t up:roll:

...and late 90's through 2004 were the best defenses the league has seen.

[Calabis]

Stop making sh!t up:roll:

...and late 90's through 2004 were the best defenses the league has seen.

And here we go again

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[andgar923]

Stop making sh!t up:roll:

...and late 90's through 2004 were the best defenses the league has seen.

I actually talked to Q Rich before the season started at a Clips event.

[riseagainst]

Jordan stans vs Kobe stans.

Lebron is better.

you mad?

:lol