Westbrook vs Prime Pippen

[DFish24]

Current Westbrook or Prime Pippen, who's better?

[Micku]

Pippen:
Control/run the offense better
Better and more versatile defender
Play more in control
Better finisher

Westbrook:
Better scorer and could get any shots he wants
Better ability to drive to the basket
A better midrange pull up jumper


I think Pippen because he played much more in control and his defense is better. Westbrook tends to go 100 mph all the time when he should go at 60-70mph, which is probably why he doesn't finish well at the rim like he potentially could. That or he just doesn't get respected down there enough by the refs. And he takes a lot of bad shots.

Westbrook has a bunch of potential tho. But bottom line is that I think Pippen could play the point better than Westbrook.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

its tough but basketball IQ,efficency and defense give Pippen a clear edge.
infact imo Pippen is top 15 alltime as hes maybe the 2nd most versatile player ever after LeBron:confusedshrug:

[fiddy]

its tough but basketball IQ,efficency and defense give Pippen a clear edge.
infact imo Pippen is top 15 alltime as hes maybe the 2nd most versatile player ever after LeBron:confusedshrug:
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Dat disrespect for Magic doe.

[JohnMax]

Here are their stats

Scottie Pippen (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/663/scottie-pippen)

Russell Westbrook (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/3468/russell-westbrook)

[Marlo_Stanfield]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Dat disrespect for Magic doe.
hes not better than Magic but more versatile EASILY.
why?? because he is the GOAT perimeter defender, a good scorer AND an elite passer:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:
hes defense alone makes him more versatile than Magicbecause hes also good on offense:coleman:

[bizil]

I would rather have Pippen play the point over Westbrook for that team. U would get everything better than Westbrook other than scoring. But Pippen would still get u 23 points a night if needed. However, I'm looking at this through the prism of playing PG for OKC. If Westbrook was considered a SG (a move OKC should really consider), then I think I would take Westbrook over Pippen. Westbook in many ways reminds me of a slightly smaller version of D-Wade. I think a move to SG would really harness those skills. But at the same time, he's such a difficult matchup at PG, so I wouldn't blame OKC if they kept him at PG. And work with him in improving his floor generalship. Sure he's averaged very good assist numbers and can run a team very good. But the ELITE floor generals are epic at it. I'm talking guys like Magic, Isiah, Stockton, Big O, Kidd, Nash, CP3, etc. Some of those guys are just as devastating scoring as Westbrook but SMOKE HIM in terms of floor generalship. Hell if he could balance the two they way Steph Curry has grown to, that would be more than sufficient.

Given his freak athletic ability, I would want him to maybe study KJ and how KJ balanced scoring and passing. Given his size at 6'3 or 6'4, I would want him to maybe study Payton and Frazier. And how they were methodical at times and used their size to dominate smaller PG's while ALSO smothering them with their size on defense. If he combines this with his freakish athletic skills, his peak value at PG could possibly reach top 5 ever kind of levels. But even if he doesn't, he's still a superstar and top 10 player in the world. It's just that I put a certain premium on floor generalship at PG. Many PG's similar to Westbrook ended up shifting to SG because of their scoring dominance and score first mentality.

[Adam2k9]

Westbrook is good but 6 rings is better than none.

[atljonesbro]

Westbrook is good but 6 rings is better than none.
Lol that's literally the worst argument in sports. So lazy. Keep eating up that ESPN

[russwest0]

It would be boss as **** to see Westbrook/KD work together under Phil Jackson.

[Micku]

Given his freak athletic ability, I would want him to maybe study KJ and how KJ balanced scoring and passing. Given his size at 6'3 or 6'4, I would want him to maybe study Payton and Frazier. And how they were methodical at times and used their size to dominate smaller PG's while ALSO smothering them with their size on defense. If he combines this with his freakish athletic skills, his peak value at PG could possibly reach top 5 ever kind of levels. But even if he doesn't, he's still a superstar and top 10 player in the world. It's just that I put a certain premium on floor generalship at PG. Many PG's similar to Westbrook ended up shifting to SG because of their scoring dominance and score first mentality.

This is a good idea.

I don't think Westbrook would have the patience and IQ to run the offense as good as KJ tho. At least not right now. He's still young and could improve. You can see Westbrook actual run the offense pretty well at times. Like those games with the Clips or a game or two with the Memphis. That's something he should do more consistently. I don't really mind him scoring a ton anymore while playing the point, but he just have to learn how to run the offense, get ppl shots, and make better decisions (like don't try to shoot a 3, 5 feet behind the 3pt line with 20 secs to go on the shot clock if you are down by 3).

He could play the 2 very well tho. He's basically a 2 right now. But if he ever learned how to control his game better, he'll be great. Like he could potentially be one of the best PGs the league has ever seen.

[GimmeThat]

Current Westbrook or Prime Pippen, who's better?


Prime Pippen, because some experiences/savviness can't be taught

I think Prime Westbrook has the potential to better than a Prime Pippen

I actually think that looking at Westbrooks stats, I suspect he plays better next to a good scoring SG than a good scoring PF

Maybe its his ability to drive has made him give less thoughts on pick and rolls and its efficiency. But I'd like to think that that's an aspect of the game he would eventually develope as he age.

[beastee]

Pippen for sure.
Prime Defender. Prime Passer.
And an Alpha personality that realized Beta was the way to win with Mike.
Russell has not learned this with Durant yet, and is why I would take Pip all day long.

[East_Stone_Ya]

this ain't even a question....Pippen by a mile

[VengefulAngel]

this ain't even a question....Pippen by a mile

This just shows how underrated Scottie Pippen is. It's not even close.

[imdaman99]

Pippen for sure.
Prime Defender. Prime Passer.
And an Alpha personality that realized Beta was the way to win with Mike.
Russell has not learned this with Durant yet, and is why I would take Pip all day long.
There's a huge difference from MJ and Durant though.

Westbrook has not even peaked yet. I would still take Pippen because I already know with MJ, he won 6 rings.

[KOBE143]

This is an insult to Pippen..:facepalm If Pippen doesnt have Jordon who wasted Pippen's talent and potential, and started his career as 1st option, Pippen would probably end his career as a top ten player with 2 or more MVP and at least 2 FMVP..

[aj1987]

Inb4 97 Bulls.

[ArbitraryWater]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Dat disrespect for Magic doe.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/21/article-2251168-169BA212000005DC-260_634x304.jpg

This ***** doesn't know basketball :oldlol:

Magic was an average defender but the 2nd most versatile player ever? :lol

These youngin's don't know defense exists... no wonder its a kobetard

[JohnFreeman]

Both could lead their own team and both have players holding them back. Pippens man showed up when it mattered though.

[ArbitraryWater]

Inb4 97 Bulls.

:roll:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Pippen is top 15 alltime and may have ended top 10 had he been first option:confusedshrug:

[Roundball_Rock]

They are similar in talent levels but Pippen's high basketeball IQ compared to Westbrook's low basketball IQ give Pippen the clear edge. An underrated reason why the Bulls won 6 rings is the high IQ of Pippen and Jordan. They weren't taking dumb contested 20 foot jumpers with 20 seconds left on the shot clock. :oldlol: This is not a slight to Westbrook, who may be by favorite current player after Rose and LeBron, but is a statement of the facts.

On the beta personality point, Pippen acknowledged Jordan was the better scorer and deferred to him on offense in a way that Westbrook does not vis-a-vis Durant. However, he was not a beta to Jordan. Pippen was a leader and arguably more influential in that role (to be clear MJ stans, I am talking about leadership and not being the best player). He was always the most popular player among his teammates, he was the one they turned to when they needed inspiration or help. Jordan led more by example and rebuke.

[played0ut]

This is an insult to Pippen..:facepalm If Pippen doesnt have Jordon who wasted Pippen's talent and potential, and started his career as 1st option, Pippen would probably end his career as a top ten player with 2 or more MVP and at least 2 FMVP..


Pippen is top 15 alltime and may have ended top 10 had he been first option:confusedshrug:

Only if he started playing after having already played with MJ. He honestly learned a lot from MJ (and vice versa).

He's admitted it openly too. He learned drive and focus from playing with MJ. MJ always demanded to play against the 2nd best player in practices. They'd compete to see who'd get the most steals in games. They'd constantly play one on one. Hell, MJ asked Pippen to teach him proper footwork for a left handed layup!

They needed each other to develop and win, yes. But it was MJ's who was really the catalyst in untapping Pippen's potential.



However, he was not a beta to Jordan. Pippen was a leader and arguably more influential in that role (to be clear MJ stans, I am talking about leadership and not being the best player). He was always the most popular player among his teammates, he was the one they turned to when they needed inspiration or help. Jordan led more by example and rebuke.

he was good cop, jordan was bad cop.

[Dresta]

:roll:

Pippen by a clear margin. A much better all-around basketball player, with far more intelligence and versatility than Russell 'i can't understand i'm a PG' Westbrook.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

this ain't even a question....Pippen by a mile
This

[AirFederer]

Brick has the tools but might lack in the brains dept. For now Pip easily

[Sakkreth]

Why is Pippen compared to an imbecile ?

[Adam2k9]

Lol that's literally the worst argument in sports. So lazy. Keep eating up that ESPN

Its true though:facepalm