Why do alot of people care more about animals than humans in poverty?

[waseem780]

Really whats the deal with that? A lot of people have straight up said they would be sadder if a dog died then a starving child. Humans come before Animals and its sad how a lot of people care about animals more than their own species.

[Derka]

Because f*ck this species, that's why.

[waseem780]

Next thread, attack those loons who argue that rape is worse than murder.
That is arguable , rape fcuks up the victims mind not just body , murder fcuks up the victims family mentally and sometimes even the murderer themselves get fcuked up mentally.

Edit: Actually murder is way worse , A living victim of rape can get over it and live a normal life.

[n00bie]

Really whats the deal with that? A lot of people have straight up said they would be sadder if a dog died then a starving child. Humans come before Animals and its sad how a lot of people care about animals more than their own species.

Because humans can fend for themselves. Dogs cannot.

Your child is hungry? Get a job to feed it.

A puppy is hungry? Dies without the care of a human.

[n00bie]

Because f*ck this species, that's why.

I agree. I've owned a golden retriever for 12 yrs, and I can honestly say she was way more loyal than any human could be.

You can beat the living shit out of a dog, it'll still stand by your side.

On the flip side, you take an ipod away from a kid.. they will murder you.

Dogs > Humans

[Droid101]

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[Swaggin916]

There are a lot of reasons that go into it though. People may have strong desires but they know what they are doing and what causes kids so responsibility is a big factor... Some people just don't like people that much... Some people really love animals... Animals are much more helpless... a multitude of reasons.

[Graviton]

There are 7 billion humans on Earth, they are not in danger of extinction. But certain animals that are vital to the ecosystem are being wiped out thanks to human greed. We are slowly but surely destroying the planet, we need to protect those important life forms in order to protect our own future. Humans dying has no effect on the planet, hell it's probably better for its survival.

[The Iron Sheik]

There are 7 billion humans on Earth, they are not in danger of extinction. But certain animals that are vital to the ecosystem are being wiped out thanks to human greed. We are slowly but surely destroying the planet, we need to protect those important life forms in order to protect our own future. Humans dying has no effect on the planet, hell it's probably better for its survival.

kill yourself then. you'd be doing everyone a favor.

[BasedTom]

Have any of you guys ever encountered really poor homeless people? I use the word real because I'm not talking about gypsy thieves or those people at train stations who give you sob stories but then pull out the latest smartphone later.

It's ****ing disturbing and a bit unreal/disgusting. I once saw a homeless guy wearing rags that had an osama bin laden beard, skinny as **** limbs, and looked like he would die very soon. There are countries where shit like that isn't even too uncommon.

It's so much easier to look away than to do something about it

[senelcoolidge]

I don't get this crap either. This animal obsession. I think it's becoming unhealthy. I think pets can help people..especially the elderly or sick with accompaniment or helping in doing simple activities. But people these days are putting animals on pedestals..on the level of human beings or higher..which is bizarre. Sure there are a lot of crappy people in the world, but you know what you can do...start with yourself. Be a better person to your fellow man. People sleeping with their animals..for me it's just weird. I wouldn't even let an animal into my home. I like animals and I respect their space, but they don't come before mankind. If a child or a dog was drowning I would save the child.

[tmacattack33]

There are 7 billion humans on Earth, they are not in danger of extinction. But certain animals that are vital to the ecosystem are being wiped out thanks to human greed. We are slowly but surely destroying the planet, we need to protect those important life forms in order to protect our own future. Humans dying has no effect on the planet, hell it's probably better for its survival.

So why/how do you care about the future of humans if you don't care about current humans dieing?

Do you only like futuristic humans who will be driving flying cars? LOL. So you're a current era human hater?

[Just2McFly]

Because they are stupid.

[BlazerRed]

Because people like OP exist. Would rather take the chance on the animal.

[Nanners]

I would be sadder if a dog died than I would be if OP was starving

[waseem780]

I would be sadder if a dog died than I would be if OP was starving
I dont care if you wouldn't be sad if i died , but ima feel bad for your mom cause she sure loved my D

[miller-time]

Probably because we see humans as having their own agency. We believe that they are able to both understand why something is happening and therefore are able to pull themselves out of it (this view I've seen is particularly held more right wing people). Unfortunately this isn't the case. Most poor people around the world neither have the knowledge or the ability or the resources to pull themselves out of poverty (especially when part of what keeps them in poverty is exploitation by other people).

However this is the case for animals and people understand that. There is nothing a dog can do about being forced to fight. It doesn't understand why it is doing what it is doing nor does it have a choice. The same with animals that are poached or even farmed. I don't see a problem with people caring for animals. But instead of seeing other humans as animals that need to be cared for too we tend to assume that they are able to take care of themselves (at least over time). "They might be poor now but with a little bit of effort they will be fine." No. They won't.

[Heavincent]

Next thread, attack those loons who argue that rape is worse than murder.

Rapists are worse than murderers imo. Murder is often a crime of passion. For instance, a guy comes home to find his wife ****ing some dude. As a result, the husband gets pissed and kills them both. I'm not gonna judge a man for that.

Rapists are ****ed in the head though.

[GimmeThat]

because I adore stray dogs and its ability to survive in a shitty world.

Good news, rich people actually don't mind house pets.

[Patrick Chewing]

Humans have the power to change their outcomes. Animals either live or die based on our decisions. We are the dominant species on this planet, yet we are the most wretched.

[GimmeThat]

Rapists are worse than murderers imo. Murder is often a crime of passion. For instance, a guy comes home to find his wife ****ing some dude. As a result, the husband gets pissed and kills them both. I'm not gonna judge a man for that.

Rapists are ****ed in the head though.


If Raping someone who has no idea of what they are doing, or conscious of the choice they are making then yes. Rapists are worse than murderers.

Similar to what miller-time said about some of the people that are in poverty. They have somehow lost the ability or knowledge to pull themselves out of poverty. To have sex with someone who doesn't have the ability to comprehend anything and use it to YOUR advantage, it's terrible.

As for murder. Reactionary murder may be passion. But proactive murder, such as capital punishment amongst those who have the choice to pull themselves out of poverty who yet continuously makes the conscious decision of not to.

Isn't that rape?

[miller-time]

Humans have the power to change their outcomes. Animals either live or die based on our decisions. We are the dominant species on this planet, yet we are the most wretched.

So do many humans though. That is what we need people to understand. Being human doesn't equal having complete access to every social and technological benefit in society. In most cases it is the opposite.

[GimmeThat]

So do many humans though. That is what we need people to understand. Being human doesn't equal having complete access to every social and technological benefit in society. In most cases it is the opposite.

Being human doesn't equate to having the nessecity to access every social and technological benefit in society.

Because if that was our only vew point on the society.

We would have never went through the Civil war and live in the society in which we live in today.

[ace23]

kill yourself then. you'd be doing everyone a favor.
This

[gigantes]

i think most people think of animals as children, friends and representatives of nature. all very deep needs in us.


humans? we're f-cking drowning in humans, already.

[Graviton]

i think most people think of animals as children, friends and representatives of nature. all very deep needs in us.


humans? we're f-cking drowning in humans, already.
Except deers, they can go **** themselves.

[gigantes]

Except deers, they can go **** themselves.
i'm scared to go near deers because of deer ticks... lyme disease

[RedBlackAttack]

i'm scared to go near deers because of deer ticks... lyme disease
Did you know Daryl Hall of Hall & Oats fame contracted Lyme Disease from a deer tick?

Random trivia.

[Graviton]

i'm scared to go near deers because of deer ticks... lyme disease
They just randomly try to murder people by running in front of cars too, just total dickheads in general.

But seriously in a few more decades when we get to 8 billion and overpopulation/lack of resources become even bigger issues, then people will start panicking.

[Megabox!]

I'd rather help a starving child or baby than an animal any day of the week.

[Lamar Doom]

My girl is an LA native and I've brought her back to my motherland, the I-wide (Iowa) several times. We drove out one christmas and brought the dog, I took them to some woods near my childhood house that are beautiful to walk through, we got to the mouth of the woods and I saw two deers clashing antlers, perfect scene of nature to show off the good ole midwest charm to my metropolitan city girl. Turns out the deers had gotten their antlers tangled in some plastic fencing and were stuck together and had been for days, I tried to approach them to help but they were scared shitless and bucking like crazy. I called animal control to help me. Animal control told me all he would do was call the police who would shoot them. I tried to sooth them and approach with a knife to cut them loose but it was just too treacherous. I begged the animal control guy to help me but he wouldn't. Some big butch policewoman showed up and I pleaded with them that we could easily handle this together. She gave me some shit about how we could get hurt and it wasn't going to happen and shot them both with a shotgun. God damn cops, god damn deer.


Your question has been answered already but it's because animals are more helpless and voiceless in our eyes. We all have to have our cause though, I volunteer with ASPCA but haven't even considered homeless shelters. I'm sure there's people who help the homeless who don't give a shit about stray dogs. I'm sure you don't do shit for animal or man so why don't you ease up on trying to quantify the value of each life you sanctimonious piece of f*cking shit

[gigantes]

Did you know Daryl Hall of Hall & Oats fame contracted Lyme Disease from a deer tick?

Random trivia.
damn, poor guy. from my home town, too. but hopefully they got it relatively early.



They just randomly try to murder people by running in front of cars too, just total dickheads in general.

But seriously in a few more decades when we get to 8 billion and overpopulation/lack of resources become even bigger issues, then people will start panicking.
haha i don't think you have to worry about that too much :P

[iamgine]

Really whats the deal with that? A lot of people have straight up said they would be sadder if a dog died then a starving child. Humans come before Animals and its sad how a lot of people care about animals more than their own species.
Here's the real deal. We like all dogs and we like our own kids.

[ace23]

They just randomly try to murder people by running in front of cars too, just total dickheads in general.

But seriously in a few more decades when we get to 8 billion and overpopulation/lack of resources become even bigger issues, then people will start panicking.
We'll be at 8 billion in 10 years. Lol @ "a few decades"

[Graviton]

We'll be at 8 billion in 10 years. Lol @ "a few decades"
Yea just checked, some scientist said life expectancy has been growing by 6 hours a day since 1900 and isn't stopping. So we will have people living longer on top of population growing. And since the wars and diseases that kept our numbers down in the past 1000 years are no longer a threat, we are ****ed.

I think it's up to China and India to fix this, they are the biggest issue. They make up like 40% of the planet.

[Patrick Chewing]

I'd rather help a starving child or baby than an animal any day of the week.


What is your reason?

[Patrick Chewing]

I volunteer with ASPCA


You're a good man. Don't let anyone tell you different.

[GimmeThat]

What is your reason?


I'd like a .gif with Neal Patrick Harris going

"homo sapiens" please.


none of that Adam Sandberg shiet

[miller-time]

Being human doesn't equate to having the nessecity to access every social and technological benefit in society.

Because if that was our only vew point on the society.

We would have never went through the Civil war and live in the society in which we live in today.

What?

[gigantes]

What?
sounds like a six-pack of malt liquors, there. :P

[chosen_one6]

Humans are easily corruptible and therefore are not to be trusted. Animals are not as intelligent and therefore more innocent.

[GimmeThat]

What?

you know, instagram, facebook, whatsapp.

I am unaware that using more apps make us more "human"

I bet someone borned today, can never chatted with a cam model, yet still live a happy healthy life for however long.

Unless you want to tell me that makes them less human.

[GimmeThat]

Humans are easily corruptible and therefore are not to be trusted. Animals are not as intelligent and therefore more innocent.

Because even amongst humans we have to be aware of our heiarchy.

but with animals, with it being a separate heiarchy from us, it becomes much easier for us to identify the role between them.

I guess its because the lack of communication besides that of interaction, gives us the ability to observe and provide an objective perspective.

Which you know, still can be false, but since they can't communicate with us. We will never know.


Dreamworks and Pixar made a sh*t ton of money because of this

[Dresta]

They just randomly try to murder people by running in front of cars too, just total dickheads in general.

But seriously in a few more decades when we get to 8 billion and overpopulation/lack of resources become even bigger issues, then people will start panicking.:rolleyes:

Population can't properly outgrow resources you nitwit. Why can't you understand that the two values (population & resources) are interdependent, and that one cannot grow without the other for long? More people means more production; a deficit of resources, on the other hand, means the shrinking of unsustainable populations. If people keep breeding beyond the capacity to sustain themselves, then they won't do so for very long, so it seems you're getting so very worked up over a non-problem.

Why do you think population has grown so rapidly over the past 150 years? Because capitalism has increased our productive capacity enough to sustain such a large growth. When people are starving it's almost always a result of local politics and corruption, and not the result of a lack of resources. We comfortably produce enough to feed every human being on the planet, and production methods will only continue to improve. Overpopulation is a myth that has persisted for hundreds of years now, and it stems from people living in cities and thinking the population density of their city is replicated on a global scale, and from them being wowed by large numbers they have no literal comprehension of ('OMG 8 billion! how will we survive! Animals ftw!!!).

[Dresta]

Probably because we see humans as having their own agency. We believe that they are able to both understand why something is happening and therefore are able to pull themselves out of it (this view I've seen is particularly held more right wing people). Unfortunately this isn't the case. Most poor people around the world neither have the knowledge or the ability or the resources to pull themselves out of poverty (especially when part of what keeps them in poverty is exploitation by other people).

However this is the case for animals and people understand that. There is nothing a dog can do about being forced to fight. It doesn't understand why it is doing what it is doing nor does it have a choice. The same with animals that are poached or even farmed. I don't see a problem with people caring for animals. But instead of seeing other humans as animals that need to be cared for too we tend to assume that they are able to take care of themselves (at least over time). "They might be poor now but with a little bit of effort they will be fine." No. They won't.So do many animals. Perhaps not so much dogs, but certainly chimps have a thought process and the capability to reason and work out a problem.

[Dresta]

Humans are easily corruptible and therefore are not to be trusted. Animals are not as intelligent and therefore more innocent.
Animals aren't corruptible? Ever had a monkey steal a banana out of you bag? I have, and that ****er knew exactly what he was doing.

So intelligence is inversely proportional to innocence now? That doesn't make any sense either.

[miller-time]

So do many animals. Perhaps not so much dogs, but certainly chimps have a thought process and the capability to reason and work out a problem.

I'm not saying animals don't have any reasoning powers. I'm saying that the things we do to animals is both outside of their comprehension to understand and out of their ability to escape from. A chimpanzee doesn't want to be in a travelling zoo, it might be able to steal your banana but it doesn't know what a zoo is or why it is stuck in a cage in one.

But this situation can be extended to humans also. People all the time are exploited and they lack the ability, tools and understanding to escape their situation. The problem is that people who live in their comfortable middle class bubbles often don't realise that it is this kind of exploitation (or rather the systems that enable exploitation) is keeping other people down and it isn't just laziness or stupidity.

[JohnnySic]

Animals > people. And its not close.

[Dresta]

I'm not saying animals don't have any reasoning powers. I'm saying that the things we do to animals is both outside of their comprehension to understand and out of their ability to escape from. A chimpanzee doesn't want to be in a travelling zoo, it might be able to steal your banana but it doesn't know what a zoo is or why it is stuck in a cage in one.

But this situation can be extended to humans also. People all the time are exploited and they lack the ability, tools and understanding to escape their situation. The problem is that people who live in their comfortable middle class bubbles often don't realise that it is this kind of exploitation (or rather the systems that enable exploitation) is keeping other people down and it isn't just laziness or stupidity.
Yeah, but the same thing might be said about the entirety of human existence really. No one wants to be trapped inside a body which after a certain time gradually deteriorates and disintegrates into nothingness, while also watching the same process at work on those one loves or cares for (while also having no real understanding of why this is happening, or what is causing it - aside from physiological reasons of course, but these offer little comfort or existential understanding of one's position in life). Most people barely even leave their hometowns their entire lives, so much are their lives determined by forces they have little understanding and knowledge of.

Cage as reality, cage as metaphor, it's more or less the same thing when we're talking about a total lack of understanding of what has made an individual the person he is, decided how his life is to be lived, the morality and conventions he will live by and support, the family he will spawn, and the profession that will dominate his life etc.

This is all still very true even for those who live in middle-class bubbles. In fact (this only just occurred to me), i think that may be what Kafka's story 'The Hunger Artist' is about; i don't know if you've read it but it's definitely worth a read and only 10 pages or so.

edit: having re-read it i think this might actually be right (though it is never possible to tell for sure with Kafka).

I think all animals (including humans) are a product of their nature and environment, even the ones who irrationally value the life of another species over those of its own, and think it wrong to conduct scientific experiments on animals, but ok to kill and threaten the scientists who conduct such experiments (perhaps the rather docile and safe 'middle class bubble' contributes to things like this).

[Graviton]

:rolleyes:

Population can't properly outgrow resources you nitwit. Why can't you understand that the two values (population & resources) are interdependent, and that one cannot grow without the other for long? More people means more production; a deficit of resources, on the other hand, means the shrinking of unsustainable populations. If people keep breeding beyond the capacity to sustain themselves, then they won't do so for very long, so it seems you're getting so very worked up over a non-problem.

Why do you think population has grown so rapidly over the past 150 years? Because capitalism has increased our productive capacity enough to sustain such a large growth. When people are starving it's almost always a result of local politics and corruption, and not the result of a lack of resources. We comfortably produce enough to feed every human being on the planet, and production methods will only continue to improve. Overpopulation is a myth that has persisted for hundreds of years now, and it stems from people living in cities and thinking the population density of their city is replicated on a global scale, and from them being wowed by large numbers they have no literal comprehension of ('OMG 8 billion! how will we survive! Animals ftw!!!).

Overpopulation may not be the issue, but do you think the productive capacity is limitless? We use more and more of the environment and the oceans, we keep taking with no care for the long term consequences. We slowly destroy the ecosystem, which causes small ripples that in the future will turn into bigger problems that we won't be able to fix.

[miller-time]

Yeah, but the same thing might be said about the entirety of human existence really. No one wants to be trapped inside a body which after a certain time gradually deteriorates and disintegrates into nothingness, while also watching the same process at work on those one loves or cares for (while also having no real understanding of why this is happening, or what is causing it - aside from physiological reasons of course, but these offer little comfort or existential understanding of one's position in life). Most people barely even leave their hometowns their entire lives, so much are their lives determined by forces they have little understanding and knowledge of.

You could almost call it being a victim of privilege. Even though someone lives in relative comfort, this comfort also stagnates or limits their ability to explore, empathise, and grow as human beings.

But getting back to the original point. I understand we all have limitations (humans and non-human animals alike) and we are all ultimately trapped. But I am talking in the every day social-psychological sense. Not necessarily the big universal objective reality sense. The ability for animals to understand every day abuse and exploitation (by people) is orders of magnitude less than the average human. So we tend to sympathise with them more. However there are people out there who are just about as incapable of understanding the systems that oppress them (as well as incapable of escaping those systems) as their non-human animal cousins are. The problem is that people who don't live in that situation often don't realise that. It isn't irrationally preferring another species your own, it believing that all of the members of another species are incapable of understanding and escaping (which is most likely correct) while your own species are capable to function on their own (which is wrong - they need sympathy and help too even though they are human).

[Dresta]

Overpopulation may not be the issue, but do you think the productive capacity is limitless? We use more and more of the environment and the oceans, we keep taking with no care for the long term consequences. We slowly destroy the ecosystem, which causes small ripples that in the future will turn into bigger problems that we won't be able to fix.
Exactly, overpopulation isn't the issue. And is it limitless? well, theoretically there is no reason to think it isn't. Why do you think it will suddenly stop? Slow down, sure, stop completely, no.

It's the consumer's fault that so much innovation is currently directed at improving gadgets and other frivolous electronic devices, so there's a lot of surplus wealth that could be directed in improving food production technology, making production more efficient etc.

You are simply making the same assumption that Malthus did 200 years ago when he thought people would only be able to increase food production arithmetically, completely ignoring the possibility of scientific innovation and the ability of people to opt for birth control. Your belief that innovation is suddenly going to halt has no historical precedent.

[Draz]

Personal attachment. Animals can't hurt us the way people hurt us. People don't have love or friendship so they bond with their animals.

[DCL]

if i see a bum begging for change, i'll just walk by and forget about him by the time i reach the next street. if i see a street dog, i'll probably toss half a sandwich if i'm holding one. and by the next street, i'll probably wonder if that dog is lost or needs help.

random dog > random human :oldlol: