LeBron James is now

[Roundball_Rock]

This article includes two interesting charts comparing them in regular season and playoff win shares.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fancy-stats/wp/2014/06/02/lebron-james-is-now-the-michael-jordan-of-our-era/

BY NEIL GREENBERG
June 2 at 9:47 am


All hail the King. LeBron James is averaging 27.1 points, 6.8 rebounds, 5.0 assists, 1.8 steals and a plus-9.9 net rating per game in the postseason and has given the Miami Heat a chance at a three-peat after its victory over the Indiana Pacers in the Eastern Conference finals.


Perhaps the comparisons of James to Jordan were premature before. Not now.


James got a two-year head start on his NBA career, debuting as a 19-year-old with the Cleveland Cavaliers, but if we look at their campaigns from ages 21 through 29 (at the start of Feb. 1 of that season) we see almost an identical match in terms of win shares, an estimate of the number of wins contributed by a player.



Their raw totals over that time span are also incredibly similar. Jordan appeared in 667 regular season games, James has played in 683. Jordan tallied 32.3 points per game in a league where the average team scored 108 per contest; James scored 28.3 in a 98.3-points-per-game environment. Jordan had an effective shooting percentage, which adjusts for the fact that a three-point field goal is worth one more point than a two-point field goal, of 52.6 percent; James is 54.4 percent. Jordan had a net rating (an estimate of net points allowed per 100 possessions) of plus-18 during this nine-season stretch; James plus-16.

In the playoffs, James has the edge over Jordan in win shares, and a victory over the San Antonio Spurs in a rematch of last year’s NBA Finals could equal Jordan’s championship total up to age 29: three, also in a row.

By the time James’s career winds down we could see him surpass Jordan as the greatest NBA player of all time. He certainly will best Jordan in terms of raw numbers, and could quite possibly match him in championship rings.

[MastaKilla]

I'm not buying this Jordan hype. Jordan always upped his game come playoff time.

Since Lebron has joined the heat


3/4 playoffs runs with the heat his scoring has gone down in the playoffs compared to regular season.

In 2011 his assist & scoring both went down from regular season to playoffs

In 2012 his assist went down from regular season to playoffs

In 2013 his assist & scoring went down from regular season to playoffs

[jzek]

So he's ahead of Kobe now already?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

:no:

Have you seen their finals performances? I'll save you the trouble and lyk Bron's numbers are nowhere near Jordan's on the biggest stage.

[pauk]

Different players / type of games, but yes...

[Roundball_Rock]

Different players / type of games, but yes...

Different players, similar impact.


So he's ahead of Kobe now already?

He is on another level than Kobe in terms of impact. As far as the all-time list goes, if he has 4 MVP's and 3 rings after this season I will put him past Kobe and Kobe's 1 MVP and 5 rings.

[inclinerator]

:no:

Have you seen their finals performances? I'll save you the trouble and lyk Bron's numbers are nowhere near Jordan's on the biggest stage.
bran is a different kind of player, he does what his team needs to get the win

[dreamwarrior]

I don't know how long Lebron can last playing like he does. Jordan played 15 seasons and Kobe 17. Lebron might be on pace to become the GOAT but can he keep this up for another 4-6 seasons? If he fizzles out after 2 more seasons he won't have the cumulative stats to rank among the GOATS and instead would be compared to Chris Webber who had 13 good seasons or Allen Iverson who only had 10 good seasons. Both Jordan and Kobe were able to limit the beating their bodies took. I don't see Lebron doing the same to prolong his career.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

bran is a different kind of player, he does what his team needs to get the win
Like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_yUXniGf5c

[Beastmode88]

jordan was remembered for winning, bran for lebroning

[ImKobe]

:no:

Have you seen their finals performances? I'll save you the trouble and lyk Bron's numbers are nowhere near Jordan's on the biggest stage.

This.

2007 & 2011 Finals alone destroy whatever chance Lebron has in passing Michael + MJ never needed anyone to bail him out because he was never in position to be eliminated from the Finals, he made sure it stayed that way in 98 :bowdown:

[poido123]

This article includes two interesting charts comparing them in regular season and playoff win shares.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fancy-stats/wp/2014/06/02/lebron-james-is-now-the-michael-jordan-of-our-era/

BY NEIL GREENBERG
June 2 at 9:47 am



Just so everyone is clear where your bias is, who do you follow and who is your favourite player?

This is the second attempt you've made to discredit jordan in two different threads.

[Warfan]

Lebron is the MJ of our era, but it doesn't mean he's as good as him. Mike raised his game in the playoffs and the finals to a level no one has reached. He made the big plays and hit clutch shots continuously. There is a slim to none chance that Lebron surpasses Jordan, and even if people would consider placing him above MJ, it's hard to disregard his shortcomings that he has had so far in his career.

[Roundball_Rock]

bran is a different kind of player, he does what his team needs to get the win

:applause:


Just so everyone is clear where your bias is, who do you follow and who is your favourite player

Jack Haley.


it's hard to disregard his shortcomings that he has had so far in his career.

Why not? MJ gets a free pass for his shortcomings. There are other examples, i.e. Magic getting a pass for 81' and 84'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ1bd2g3p1Y

[ArbitraryWater]

This.

2007 & 2011 Finals alone destroy whatever chance Lebron has in passing Michael + MJ never needed anyone to bail him out because he was never in position to be eliminated from the Finals, he made sure it stayed that way in 98 :bowdown:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=338657

[Beastmode88]

:applause:



Jack Haley.



Why not? MJ gets a free pass for his shortcomings. There are other examples, i.e. Magic getting a pass for 81' and 84'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ1bd2g3p1Y

example why in our society this happens?

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lebroning

[poido123]

:applause:



Jack Haley.



Why not? MJ gets a free pass for his shortcomings. There are other examples, i.e. Magic getting a pass for 81' and 84'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ1bd2g3p1Y



Team you root for? Why Jack Haley?

[ImKobe]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=338657

This link contains a virus. Reported.

[Beastmode88]

Team you root for?

Probably a "heat" fan :roll: :roll:

[ImKobe]

Probably a "heat" fan :roll: :roll:

Duh.

[Roundball_Rock]

Team you root for? Why Jack Haley?

72-10. :bowdown:

[poido123]

72-10. :bowdown:


Ok, so you're a Bulls fan but you're a pippen fan and not jordan?

I'm ok with that, jordan isn't everyone's cup of tea and I know some other Bulls fnas that dislike jordan also.

[ArbitraryWater]

Ok, so you're a Bulls fan but you're a pippen fan and not jordan?

I'm ok with that, jordan isn't everyone's cup of tea and I know some other Bulls fnas that dislike jordan also.

He's a Bulls Fan... PERIOD.

He doesn't need to suck MJ Cawk as bad as you guys do... you do it bad enough.

I'm sure he's thankful for everything Jordan did for his franchise... he just happens to appreciate other Individuals aswell.

[Rose'sACL]

example why in our society this happens?

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lebroning
because no one cares when anyone else does it. Players have slept with team mate's wives,cheated multiple times on their wives, hit their team mates, thrown team mates under the bus after a loss and even bought guns to the locker rooms.
Lebron is hated more than players who did things i listed above. how do you explain that other than the fact that most people who hate lebron even now are just kids who never grew up.Most sports fans i meet would cheat on their wives if opportunity prsents itself but cry about loyalty when a players leaves the privately owned basketball/baseball/football club they like.
This shit happens in our society because people like having fun and those who do this just because of hate have their priorities wrong.

[Mr. Jabbar]

lol, he's this era wilt if anything...

[poido123]

He's a Bulls Fan... PERIOD.

He doesn't need to suck MJ Cawk as bad as you guys do... you do it bad enough.

I'm sure he's thankful for everything Jordan did for his franchise... he just happens to appreciate other Individuals aswell.


Is sucking MJ's **** anything to do with idiots like yourself making stupid nitpicking remarks against his greatness?

Am I not allowed to have an opinion on something MJ without being called a dckrider? I actually loathe having to mention him, since he is the most talked about basketball player of the last 20 years or so.

I can tell you that nobody s.ucks on Lebon's appendage harder than you and your other circle-jerking brethrens.

[Roundball_Rock]

Ok, so you're a Bulls fan but you're a pippen fan and not jordan?

I'm ok with that, jordan isn't everyone's cup of tea and I know some other Bulls fnas that dislike jordan also.

Correct. I was pro-MJ when I joined ISH. I even created a couple of pro-MJ threads. I went at it with AlphaWolf several times on behalf of MJ. It was MJ fans' stupidity, revisionism that turned me off on MJ.


He's a Bulls Fan... PERIOD.


Yup. Here is some evidence:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3772124#post3772124

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3772124#post3772124

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3772124#post3772124

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=153675

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=153675

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=182466

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=182466

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=182466

In 2009-2010 I had NBA League Pass when I did not have the same job responsibilities I do now. I routinely posted in Bulls game threads (and Suns threads). I rarely saw MJ stans (Poido is a MJ fan but also a Bulls fans) in there outside of Samuri...most MJ stans have no current team.

Yet MJ fans kept claiming I was a closet Kobe fan. :lol

I rarely posted in 2012 and 2013 and did not come back in any regular way until recently.

[ArbitraryWater]

This is like poido asking plowking to prove himself being a Kawhi fan... :rolleyes:

Pathetic. Dude thinks this place roams around himself...

[poido123]

This is like poido asking plowking to prove himself being a Kawhi fan... :rolleyes:

Pathetic. Dude thinks this place roams around himself...



Pretty silly don't you think?

A guy who NEVER talks about Kawhi or makes threads about his "favourite" player, supports the Miami Heat who have two bigger stars than him and somehow we are lead to believe that bullshit?

Come on now :oldlol:

His favourite player is Wade, he even said so but i called him out on Leonard :no:

Plowking first became a fan of the heat when Wade was drafted.

[juju151111]

:applause:



Jack Haley.



Why not? MJ gets a free pass for his shortcomings. There are other examples, i.e. Magic getting a pass for 81' and 84'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ1bd2g3p1Y
What shortcoming? When did Mj choke with Homecourt and expected to win? When did Mj get outplayed by Role players.

[ImKobe]

He's a Bulls Fan... PERIOD.

He doesn't need to suck MJ Cawk as bad as you guys do... you do it bad enough.

I'm sure he's thankful for everything Jordan did for his franchise... he just happens to appreciate other Individuals aswell.

How convenient that you are the only poster that's vouching for this dude. I had a feeling it was you :oldlol: son of a bitch

[poido123]

Correct. I was pro-MJ when I joined ISH. I even created a couple of pro-MJ threads. I went at it with AlphaWolf several times on behalf of MJ. It was MJ fans' stupidity, revisionism that turned me off on MJ.



Yup. Here is some evidence:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3772124#post3772124

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3772124#post3772124

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3772124#post3772124

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=153675

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=153675

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=182466

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=182466

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=182466

In 2009-2010 I had NBA League Pass when I did not have the same job responsibilities I do now. I routinely posted in Bulls game threads (and Suns threads). I rarely saw MJ stans (Poido is a MJ fan but also a Bulls fans) in there outside of Samuri...most MJ stans have no current team.

Yet MJ fans kept claiming I was a closet Kobe fan. :lol

I rarely posted in 2012 and 2013 and did not come back in any regular way until recently.



I'm not going to bother arguing with you.

I have little interest to post up statistics and articles with you and your a Bulls fan and that is all that matters.

I love Pippen, I have no reason to argue with you

[poido123]

How convenient that you are the only poster that's vouching for this dude. I had a feeling it was you :oldlol: son of a bitch


Another Alt?

This guy is shameless :oldlol:

Here's the post he made to himself in another thread :roll:



LMFAOO :oldlol: Good post OP!

Go jump on if you care for more disappointments :cheers:

Tough times for these peeps




:roll: :roll:

[Roundball_Rock]

How convenient that you are the only poster that's vouching for this dude. I had a feeling it was you :oldlol: son of a bitch

:oldlol: Yeah, AW and I are comrade in arms in thread after thread! I was not even pro-Heat until this year, partly, on some level due to the Bulls not being contenders in the past 3 years and the fading of the sense of a Bulls-Heat rivalry.

Hey MJ fans, remember when you swore I was Fatal9, even though we had completely different styles?

[juju151111]

How convenient that you are the only poster that's vouching for this dude. I had a feeling it was you :oldlol: son of a bitch
No he definitely not him. He been here for years. He just a bulls fan that like to overrate Pippen and talk down Mj accomplishments.

[sd3035]

Bran James is the Larry Johnson of our era, but with ref help and a hall of fame cast

[Dengness9]

ROUNDBALL.....


Its one thing to dislike a player for whatever reasons, and to also to dislike their fan base for whatever reasons.


But you are(were?) Pro-Mj and you are gonna let some fans on ISH make you basically talk shit about the GOAT?

[poido123]

:oldlol: Yeah, AW and I are comrade in arms in thread after thread! I was not even pro-Heat until this year, partly, on some level due to the Bulls not being contenders in the past 3 years and the fading of the sense of a Bulls-Heat rivalry.

Hey MJ fans, remember when you swore I was Fatal9, even though we had completely different styles?


How many Jordan stans do you think there is?

I can tell you that most Bulls fans support the team before the player. A stan is someone who supports the player before the team with no loyalty or affiliation.

[GimmeThat]

I don't think Lebron James cares about stats yet.

Because he knew the importance of winning rings first.

I think once he gets to 4 or 5.
When people start saying "well, he was never "statistically dominant" like the other great"
He's gonna go out there and do it again.

He's not bored with winning rings yet.

But trust me, he will.



Thank goodness there's enough Jordan stans in this world that just gives him enough motivation.

[Dengness9]

I don't think Lebron James cares about stats yet.

Because he knew the importance of winning rings first.

I think once he gets to 4 or 5.
When people start saying "well, he was never "statistically dominant" like the other great"
He's gonna go out there and do it again.

He's not bored with winning rings yet.

But trust me, he will.



Thank goodness there's enough Jordan stans in this world that just gives him enough motivation.


http://www.albany.com/byesline/check%20my%20stats2.jpg

Yeah he doesn't care about his stats....GTFO

And if you are in the mindset that Jordan fans are the reason Lebron has motivation, You are a ****ing retard.

[gts]

This link contains a virus. Reported.:lol guy's too dumb to know when he was trolled

[Kingwillball]

I don't know how long Lebron can last playing like he does. Jordan played 15 seasons and Kobe 17. Lebron might be on pace to become the GOAT but can he keep this up for another 4-6 seasons? If he fizzles out after 2 more seasons he won't have the cumulative stats to rank among the GOATS and instead would be compared to Chris Webber who had 13 good seasons or Allen Iverson who only had 10 good seasons. Both Jordan and Kobe were able to limit the beating their bodies took. I don't see Lebron doing the same to prolong his career.


:biggums: :facepalm

[Roundball_Rock]

How many Jordan stans do you think there is?

I can tell you that most Bulls fans support the team before the player. A stan is someone who supports the player before the team with no loyalty or affiliation.

Yeah. That is why I referred to you as a Bulls fan. Other than Samuri Swish (a rare Bulls fan/MJ stan hybrid), I do not see Bulls fans diminishing Pippen.


No he definitely not him. He been here for years. He just a bulls fan that like to overrate Pippen and talk down Mj accomplishments.

Remember when you and pretty much every MJ fan here thought I was Fatal9years ago ? :lol


But you are(were?) Pro-Mj and you are gonna let some fans on ISH make you basically talk shit about the GOAT?

That is my current view. I am hoping the MJ stans fall by the wayside in a few years when the LeBron bandwagon becomes "the" bandwagon. Then perhaps we can have legitimate discussions.

I still have MJ #2 all-time behind Kareem. It isn't as if I am calling MJ a scrub. I just play a contrarian role vis-a-vis MJ. MJ is the only legend who receives minimal scrutiny. Until recently, with the emergence of LeBron fans who can now smell him having a shot to surpass MJ, there was no real debate on MJ on ISH (and he still is presented as the "clear GOAT" in the press--although that will change if LeBron keeps winning). That is why people thought I was Fatal9. We, along with Ne_1 and AlphaWolf, were the only ones here making arguments against MJ. I rarely posted over the past 2 years or so (which coincided with Rose's injuries and the Heat making basketball anti-climatic, in my view at the time--I was anti-Heat until recently--check my posts in 2011 and 2012). Since I have returned I have noticed LeBron fans questioning MJ. Kobe fans did not really do that, presumably because they tended to be closer in time to MJ than LeBron fans as a whole, and more importantly because Kobe was/is MJ-lite there is not much to work with when MJ did pretty much everything Kobe does better than Kobe.

To be fair, I have noticed Pippen's stock has risen over the past 2 years. It pretty much only is MJ stans who vastly underrate him at this juncture.

[GimmeThat]

http://www.albany.com/byesline/check%20my%20stats2.jpg

Yeah he doesn't care about his stats....GTFO

And if you are in the mindset that Jordan fans are the reason Lebron has motivation, You are a ****ing retard.


like how you responded to my post because of your retardation loyalty to Jordan?

He went to Miami to win rings you **** sucker

[Dengness9]

Yeah. That is why I referred to you as a Bulls fan. Other than Samuri Swish (a rare Bulls fan/MJ stan hybrid), I do not see Bulls fans diminishing Pippen.



Remember when you and pretty much every MJ fan here thought I was Fatal9years ago ? :lol



That is my current view. I am hoping the MJ stans fall by the wayside in a few years when the LeBron bandwagon becomes "the" bandwagon. Then perhaps we can have legitimate discussions.

I still have MJ #2 all-time behind Kareem. It isn't as if I am calling MJ a scrub. I just play a contrarian role vis-a-vis MJ. MJ is the only legend who receives minimal scrutiny. Until recently, with the emergence of LeBron fans who can now smell him having a shot to surpass MJ, there was no real debate on MJ on ISH (and he still is presented as the "clear GOAT" in the press--although that will change if LeBron keeps winning). That is why people thought I was Fatal9. We, along with Ne_1 and AlphaWolf, were the only ones here making arguments against MJ. I rarely posted over the past 2 years or so (which coincided with Rose's injuries and the Heat making basketball anti-climatic, in my view at the time--I was anti-Heat until recently--check my posts in 2011 and 2012). Since I have returned I have noticed LeBron fans questioning MJ. Kobe fans did not really do that, presumably because they tended to be closer in time to MJ than LeBron fans as a whole, and more importantly because Kobe was/is MJ-lite there is not much to work with when MJ did pretty much everything Kobe does better than Kobe.

To be fair, I have noticed Pippen's stock has risen over the past 2 years. It pretty much only is MJ stans who vastly underrate him at this juncture.

Does KAJ get much scrutiny? I don't think he does. And the reason MJ doesn't get scrutinized often as far as bball goes, is because he was that great. And MJ isn't the only legend who gets little scrutiny.
Guys like Magic and Bird, or Russell. They are loved and idolized. Again, because they were great.

Lebron plays in the league during an era of extreme technology and he gets crushed a lot for stuff he wouldn't have, had he played in a previous era.

That said, I find him disrespectful and more cocky than most superstars. That's my personal opinion and many others happen to feel the same way.

And I also think its sad that so many people push him past other greats on the all time list when he hasn't earned it yet. He still has time to prove it but he's not top 10 for sure yet, forget MJ comparisons. Let's see what happens in the 2014 finals first.

I respect your opinion of KAJ as Goat, though Magic saying MJ was the greatest ever period, weighs on me heavily as a legend who won chips with KAJ though Earvin didnt play with Lew ;)

[Dengness9]

like how you responded to my post because of your retardation loyalty to Jordan?

He went to Miami to win rings you **** sucker


Born in Chicago and grew up during 80-90's Bulls so yeah I have loyalty to the Goat.

He also went to Miami to choke away a finals and to choke on Wade. You two are the **** suckers.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Even as the biggest LeBron stan, I doubt LeBron will ever catch MJ. Jordan's career is just too damn perfect. It's not impossible, but MJ's finals/playoff stats are on another planet from any perimeter player we've ever seen.

LeBron is definitely the MJ of our era. He's head and shoulders above anyone else in the league

[DonDadda59]

This is a setup thread if I ever saw one...

[plowking]

Even as the biggest LeBron stan, I doubt LeBron will ever catch MJ. Jordan's career is just too damn perfect. It's not impossible, but MJ's finals/playoff stats are on another planet from any perimeter player we've ever seen.

LeBron is definitely the MJ of our era. He's head and shoulders above anyone else in the league

Exactly. MJ's career is too story book.

Even when he played like shit in a series, and had his teammates carry him, they still won. LeBron really can't afford to do that. When is the last time LeBron had an absolutely dismal series performance and the Heat still win?

[Soundwave]

There will always be a "new MJ" every few years. Even for that period where he retired the first time, I remember people saying Hakeem is the new MJ because he was the dominant player of 93-95 even if it didn't make sense positionally.

When Kobe was winning titles, he was the MJ of that specific era.

Now its LeBron.

If the Thunder ever get it together and win a couple of titles in a row, then everyone and their grandma will proclaim Durant as the MJ of his era.

It's not even in basketball it's in other sports too, if a athlete dominates their sport for long enough they get labelled the Michael Jordan of that sport. Or other professions even.

[poido123]

Exactly. MJ's career is too story book.

Even when he played like shit in a series, and had his teammates carry him, they still won. LeBron really can't afford to do that. When is the last time LeBron had an absolutely dismal series performance and the Heat still win?


Started off well, then couldn't help yourself :oldlol:

[plowking]

Started off well, then couldn't help yourself :oldlol:

Thought I was on ignore? :oldlol:

Keep lying to yourself. MJ fans get insulted when you talk about his bad series and games. :oldlol:

[poido123]

Thought I was on ignore? :oldlol:

Keep lying to yourself. MJ fans get insulted when you talk about his bad series and games. :oldlol:



I can't put you on ignore, I've already tried. :oldlol:

I get entertainment out of your insane posts, so you can stay. Plus you will be my favourite target of taunts if the Heat lose the finals :oldlol:


You got that wrong. Bulls fans get annoyed with inaccurate nitpicking and false flaws you guys like to make up :oldlol:

Then you guys proceed to make infinite "Lebron > MJ" threads, making ridiculous claims when it's not even close yet :lol

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Exactly. MJ's career is too story book.

Even when he played like shit in a series, and had his teammates carry him, they still won. LeBron really can't afford to do that. When is the last time LeBron had an absolutely dismal series performance and the Heat still win?

When did Jordan have an "absolutely dismal" series and the Bulls STILL won?

[plowking]

When did Jordan have an "absolutely dismal" series and the Bulls STILL won?

Knicks 93 is a perfect example.

Outside of his 54 point game, he shot 35% for that series. They won a game where he shot 3-18. :oldlol:
They didn't just win that game, they slaughtered the Knicks. :oldlol:

96 finals is another example.

Shot 41% from the field, and all up shot 39% when they switched Payton on him. He goes 5-19 in the closeout game, and they still take the closeout game in a blowout.

97 against Miami...

It wasn't an overly bad series for him, average, but he took 27 shots a game that series while shooting 39%. Can you imagine Lebron doing that and winning?

None of these series even went to 7 despite Jordan's average or poor play. Jordan's career is story book. He was on the winning end in series where he played terribly.

People harp on about Lebron's terrible playoff series' because in most he didn't have a team to take him over the top. They harp on about Bron getting help from the refs, but it sure as hell wasn't anything like what Mike got. Down 2-0 to the Knicks in 93, Jordan playing poorly, yet in game 3 he gets 16 free throws by the half, they eject John Starks for nothing...
Then you have the closeout game against Indiana. Down double digits in the 4th, Jordan shoots 9-35 for the game. They still win, and they get all these free throws in the 4th quarter no doubt.

Jordan was story book because he was protected, and because when he did fault, his team picked him up.
Does anyone honestly see Jordan ever getting called for the fouls Lebron did in the game against Indiana just recently? Seriously...

[plowking]

I can't put you on ignore, I've already tried. :oldlol:

I get entertainment out of your insane posts, so you can stay. Plus you will be my favourite target of taunts if the Heat lose the finals :oldlol:


You got that wrong. Bulls fans get annoyed with inaccurate nitpicking and false flaws you guys like to make up :oldlol:

Then you guys proceed to make infinite "Lebron > MJ" threads, making ridiculous claims when it's not even close yet :lol

Jordan has just as many bad playoff series as Lebron does. Lebron at 29 has already been to 5 finals.

Jordan jockers always used to support Bron, now its the opposite because they can see what's happening. Lebron is a threat, and a serious one. :oldlol:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Knicks 93 is a perfect example.

Outside of his 54 point game, he shot 35% for that series. They won a game where he shot 3-18. :oldlol:
They didn't just win that game, they slaughtered the Knicks. :oldlol:

You can't use the 'outside of this game' argument when we examine the totality of a series. The sample size is already too small.

Beside that 54 point game, he also had a 29/14/10 game on ~45% shooting


96 finals is another example.

Shot 41% from the field, and all up shot 39% when they switched Payton on him. He goes 5-19 in the closeout game, and they still take the closeout game in a blowout.

Averaging 27ppg on 54%TS is hardly 'dismal'

:facepalm



97 against Miami...

It wasn't an overly bad series for him, average, but he took 27 shots a game that series while shooting 39%. Can you imagine Lebron doing that and winning?

I cant imagine Lebron scoring like Jordan, so no, not really.

Going into game 7, Lebron was averaging 23ppg on 43% shooting... The Heat won games in that series where Lebron...didnt look good.


blah blah blah

That's a nice novel and all, but I'm still waiting for you to point out the 'absolutely dismal' series' Jordan played in and the Bulls STILL won.

[oh the horror]

Jordan has just as many bad playoff series as Lebron does. Lebron at 29 has already been to 5 finals.

Jordan jockers always used to support Bron, now its the opposite because they can see what's happening. Lebron is a threat, and a serious one. :oldlol:



Jordan scored 7 points in a close out game?


Jordan absolutely didn't show up for an entire finals like Lebron against dallas?



Problem is dude Jordan didn't have massive "WTF IS WRONG WITH THIS GUY?" moments.


Lebron has looked as dominant at points and then had completely out of body experiences where everyone is wondering what the hell his problem was. Those are a part of his legacy and continue to rear it's head at times. He looks completely rattled sometimes.


Mike didn't have a lot of those moments were you questioned the dude's heart.

[nnn123]

Knicks 93 is a perfect example.

Outside of his 54 point game, he shot 35% for that series. They won a game where he shot 3-18. :oldlol:
They didn't just win that game, they slaughtered the Knicks. :oldlol:

96 finals is another example.

Shot 41% from the field, and all up shot 39% when they switched Payton on him. He goes 5-19 in the closeout game, and they still take the closeout game in a blowout.

97 against Miami...

It wasn't an overly bad series for him, average, but he took 27 shots a game that series while shooting 39%. Can you imagine Lebron doing that and winning?

None of these series even went to 7 despite Jordan's average or poor play. Jordan's career is story book. He was on the winning end in series where he played terribly.

People harp on about Lebron's terrible playoff series' because in most he didn't have a team to take him over the top. They harp on about Bron getting help from the refs, but it sure as hell wasn't anything like what Mike got. Down 2-0 to the Knicks in 93, Jordan playing poorly, yet in game 3 he gets 16 free throws by the half, they eject John Starks for nothing...
Then you have the closeout game against Indiana. Down double digits in the 4th, Jordan shoots 9-35 for the game. They still win, and they get all these free throws in the 4th quarter no doubt.

Jordan was story book because he was protected, and because when he did fault, his team picked him up.
Does anyone honestly see Jordan ever getting called for the fouls Lebron did in the game against Indiana just recently? Seriously...

Honestly, if you analyze how those series progressed, the KEY moments of the series, to me MJ has only had one bad series - 93 Knicks.

In 96 - he played well in the 1st 3 games. Played especially well in game 3 @ Seattle - had nearly 30 points in the 1st half. They went up 3-0. Then he started playing like garbage. Yes, that's when GP switched on him ... but they were up already 3-0 lol (no offense to GP). Series over.

Same story in the 97 against Miami. Jordan played well in the 1st 3 games. Especially well in game 3, went HAM. They went up 3-0. Then, MJ had 2 god awful games - when the series was already over lol.

I think Jordan has had 1 ....check it TWO bad series in his career. The 93 Knicks series and 95 semifinals vs. Magic. His stats were phenomenal in that series, but he choked hard at the end of games 1 and 6.

[TheMan]

Jordan has just as many bad playoff series as Lebron does. Lebron at 29 has already been to 5 finals.

Jordan jockers always used to support Bron, now its the opposite because they can see what's happening. Lebron is a threat, and a serious one. :oldlol:

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[Young X]

Jordan has just as many bad playoff series as Lebron does. Lebron at 29 has already been to 5 finals.No he doesn't. Bron has the '07 finals, '11 finals, '10 Celtics, and '08 Celtics. All those series are terrible not just for Lebron but any star player period. Jordan has ONE "bad" series against the '97 Heat. That's it. Below average isn't "bad".

[plowking]

No he doesn't. Bron has the '07 finals, '11 finals, '10 Celtics, and '08 Celtics. All those series are terrible not just for Lebron but any star player period. Jordan has ONE "bad" series against the '97 Heat. That's it. Below average isn't "bad".

How old was Lebron in 07?

11 Finals were terrible, as was the 08 series against the Celtics.

You're counting the 10' Celtics as a bad series for Bron despite him averaging 27/9/7 on 45% shooting? You gotta count Jordan's series then where he went 4-8 from the field in a game against the Pistons. Gave up just as much as Bron did, if that is your criteria.

Bron has 3 or 4, and so does Jordan. Only difference, Jordan had teammates to step up.

[poido123]

How old was Lebron in 07?

11 Finals were terrible, as was the 08 series against the Celtics.

You're counting the 10' Celtics as a bad series for Bron despite him averaging 27/9/7 on 45% shooting? You gotta count Jordan's series then where he went 4-8 from the field in a game against the Pistons. Gave up just as much as Bron did, if that is your criteria.

Bron has 3 or 4, and so does Jordan. Only difference, Jordan had teammates to step up.


Jordan's main help Pippen and later an older Rodman.

Lebron's main help Wade, Bosh and Allen.

I think I see who did more with less.

[Micku]

In terms of being equal to MJ legacy from the media, I thought it was over in 2011.

In 2013 as well because the Spurs were playing "begging you to shoot" defense on LBJ and he didn't play that well from 1-5. It was almost like 2011 all over again until game 6 and 7. It's something that wouldn't work on Kobe, Durant, and MJ. But from what I listen to radio shows and watch the shows about basketball, they don't seem to mention that much. Winning pretty much solves everything I guess. That's the same for MJ and Kobe in their bad series, but LBJ is a bit worst imo.

But in terms of level of play, LBJ is really right up to me. Just different styles of playing. You ask me who is the most skilled? I would say MJ without a doubt because his more polished post game, off the ball movement, catch and shoot off screens and scoring versatility. While LBJ become very excellent at those as well, it doesn't seem as good. There are other skills that you can mention and some things that LBJ is better at too.

But the point is that LBJ is the "MJ" of this era. Before him it was Kobe. And before Kobe, ppl consider AI or Vince Carter and etc. This is a problem. I know the media and everyone really wants to find the next MJ, but they don't give room for the players to be themselves. I understand the constant need to comparing this era best player with the past best players. But when you constantly do that with someone like MJ legacy that the media constantly throw at your face, you are bound to be disappointed. I wonder if Bird and Magic come later, they would compare them to MJ despite them having completely different games. Media ppl don't even compare centers that much.

As people said, MJ basically had a story book tale. He ended his career as a Bull with a game winner shot in the Finals. Hard to live up to that. But ppl should let the players be their own players.

[Legends66NBA7]

How old was Lebron in 07?

Great players have stepped up at that age too. It wasn't long ago in that postseason when he did something historic in game 5 vs the Pistons. James didn't play well, it happens, but he could have also gone off and at least had a good/great series.

[plowking]

Jordan's main help Pippen and later Rodman.

Lebron's main help Wade, Bosh and Allen.

I think I see who did more with less.

Jordan had... the greatest rebounder ever in Rodman, the greatest perimeter defender ever in Pippen, the most efficient 3 point shooter ever in Kerr and then he had 6th man of the year Toni Kukoc off the bench. Not to mention his team had size and rebounding, something the Heat don't.

Typical player only fan, completely negating all the other players on the team.

[plowking]

Great players have stepped up at that age too. It wasn't long ago in that postseason when he did something historic in game 5 vs the Pistons. James didn't play well, it happens, but he could have also gone off and at least had a good/great series.

Undoubtedly, they have. I'm not even sure how old Lebron was; 21? I don't particularly care, since he wasn't a part of the Heat.
I just find it hilarious that the 07 series is some knock on Lebron at that age when MJ wasn't even making it past the first round until 23 or 24.

[poido123]

Jordan had... the greatest rebounder ever in Rodman, the greatest perimeter defender ever in Pippen, the most efficient 3 point shooter ever in Kerr and then he had 6th man of the year Toni Kukoc off the bench. Not to mention his team had size and rebounding, something the Heat don't.

Typical player only fan, completely negating all the other players on the team.


Context.

Kerr the most efficient 3pt shooter ever? Or did you just make that up. I think Ray Allen has something to say about that, you know, the guy on your team? :rolleyes:

Glen rice, Reggie Miller, Peja Stojakovic, Larry Bird were all better 3point shooters than Kerr ever was.

Rodman was 34 when he joined the Bulls. A great rebounder and then what? He fit the team well, bcause that's essentially what they needed him for and defense.

I think you are pointing out how well the pieces fit together, rather than drawing a conclusion about the greatness of the individuals.

Pippen you could say was a legitimate year in year out allstar that Jordan could count on. Other than that, he had some very good role players.

Miami on the other hand...

[plowking]

Context.

Kerr the most efficient 3pt shooter ever? Or did you just make that up. I think Ray Allen has something to say about that, you know, the guy on your team? :rolleyes:

Glen rice, Reggie Miller, Peja Stojakovic, Larry Bird were all better 3point shooters than Kerr ever was.

Rodman was 34 when he joined the Bulls. A great rebounder and then what? He fit the team well, bcause that's essentially what they needed him for and defense.

I think you are pointing out how well the pieces fit together, rather than drawing a conclusion about the greatness of the individuals.

Pippen you could say was a legitimate year in year out allstar that Jordan could count on. Other than that, he had some very good role players.

Miami on the other hand...

Kerr has the highest shooting % from 3 out of any player ever to play in the NBA.
Yes, a great rebounder, the best, who would always bring down the boards. Something the Heat can't do.

Miami on the other hand, what? Wade? Who was injured throughout the playoffs all last year, and even sat out a game.
Bosh? Who was injured the year before?

[poido123]

Kerr has the highest shooting % from 3 out of any player ever to play in the NBA.
Yes, a great rebounder, the best, who would always bring down the boards. Something the Heat can't do.

Miami on the other hand, what? Wade? Who was injured throughout the playoffs all last year, and even sat out a game.
Bosh? Who was injured the year before?


The Heat have 2 dynamic and explosive players Wade and Lebron to more than make up for their rebounding deficiency. Then you add Bosh and Allen, you have almost and allstar team :lol:

You are aware that you have 3 allstars in your team? You always talk like it's Lebron and a team of scrubs.

[plowking]

The Heat have 2 dynamic and explosive players Wade and Lebron to more than make up for their rebounding deficiency. Then you add Bosh and Allen, you have almost and allstar team :lol:

You are aware that you have 3 allstars in your team? You always talk like it's Lebron and a team of scrubs.

Nothing makes up for lack of rebounding apart from rebounding. Why do you think the Heat have to shoot such a high percentage? Because they get killed on the boards.

I don't talk about the Heat like that at all. We're a great top heavy team, with several flaws and a weak bench. The team gets carried by Bron, Wade and Bosh.

[poido123]

Nothing makes up for lack of rebounding apart from rebounding. Why do you think the Heat have to shoot such a high percentage? Because they get killed on the boards.

I don't talk about the Heat like that at all. We're a great top heavy team, with several flaws and a weak bench. The team gets carried by Bron, Wade and Bosh.


You have guys that can circulate the rebounding load. Lebron, Birdman, Bosh(when he can be bothered), Wade chips in, they are all capable rebounders and Miami's rebounding woes do come up, but not as much as you like to think.

Heat shoot a high percentage because they have 3 superstars who can deflect attention away from the role players, the best player in the game who can bulldoze his way close to the hoop for high percentage shots. Ray Allen is also has a high FG% for a guy who shoots a lot of 3s.

[Jacks3]

Jordan isn't losing MVP's to 3rd-tier stars like Rose or one-dimensional players like Durant. Get the **** outta here.

[KungFuJoe]

Nobody is ever taking the title of GOAT from Jordan.

He's got it all. The look, the scoring, the defense, the tenacity, the grace, the accolades, could jump out of the gym, posters, crazy clutch moments, the baggy jeans, the Be Like Mike....

And you could toss all out the window and based on stats and rings alone, make an argument for him to be GOAT.

[Rondo]

And you could toss all out the window and based on stats and rings alone, make an argument for him to be GOAT.

Wouldn't Kareem beat him in this case?

[Marlo_Stanfield]

LEBron never chucked and stat padded like MJ and wasnt as ref protected.
also he plays in an era where teams score 10 less per game.
all tjhese facts bring me to the conclusion that LeBron= MJ scoring wise.
hes better in every other aspect tho:banana: :banana:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Knicks 93 is a perfect example.

Outside of his 54 point game, he shot 35% for that series. They won a game where he shot 3-18. :oldlol:
They didn't just win that game, they slaughtered the Knicks. :oldlol:

96 finals is another example.

Shot 41% from the field, and all up shot 39% when they switched Payton on him. He goes 5-19 in the closeout game, and they still take the closeout game in a blowout.

97 against Miami...

It wasn't an overly bad series for him, average, but he took 27 shots a game that series while shooting 39%. Can you imagine Lebron doing that and winning?

None of these series even went to 7 despite Jordan's average or poor play. Jordan's career is story book. He was on the winning end in series where he played terribly.

People harp on about Lebron's terrible playoff series' because in most he didn't have a team to take him over the top. They harp on about Bron getting help from the refs, but it sure as hell wasn't anything like what Mike got. Down 2-0 to the Knicks in 93, Jordan playing poorly, yet in game 3 he gets 16 free throws by the half, they eject John Starks for nothing...
Then you have the closeout game against Indiana. Down double digits in the 4th, Jordan shoots 9-35 for the game. They still win, and they get all these free throws in the 4th quarter no doubt.

Jordan was story book because he was protected, and because when he did fault, his team picked him up.
Does anyone honestly see Jordan ever getting called for the fouls Lebron did in the game against Indiana just recently? Seriously...
Holy shit. didnt know MJ was THIs overrated.
i might have to put Magic above him again on the GOAT list.
the only time LeBron played terrible since he joined the Heat they lost in 6 and got ripped to pieces by the media.
Mj on the other hand:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :roll: :roll:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Jordan's main help Pippen and later an older Rodman.

Lebron's main help Wade, Bosh and Allen.

I think I see who did more with less.
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this post right here should be enough for a perma IP ban for this fakkit:biggums:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Jordan isn't losing MVP's to 3rd-tier stars like Rose or one-dimensional players like Durant. Get the **** outta here.
LeBron didnt either
he was better than Rose in 11 and better than Durant this year.
without the crazy rigging for Urant LeBron would have 5 or 6 MVPS by now( that Rose one was a travesty and only received because the NBA thought it was cool to hate on Bron)

[Marlo_Stanfield]

:biggums:
MJ is the most ref protected superstar in NBA history.
Only durant ahs a chance to catch him in that department:biggums:

[Collie]

Win shares? Really?

[knicksman]

jordan was a winner. lebron was a statpadder. The best comparison of him is robertson. If jordan wants to be a statpadder, he couldve remained his 32 8 8 but he knows he was a cancer at that time like robertson. Meanwhile lebron, instead of foregoing stats, chose to cheat so he could retain his stats.

[knicksman]

LEBron never chucked and stat padded like MJ and wasnt as ref protected.
also he plays in an era where teams score 10 less per game.
all tjhese facts bring me to the conclusion that LeBron= MJ scoring wise.
hes better in every other aspect tho:banana: :banana:


jordan only statpadded for 1 season and thats his 32/8/8 season. And he realized his impact is lesser than the season before because of being a cancer. And guess who plays like that jordan? Bran and robertson:lol

[AirFederer]

LEBron never chucked and stat padded like MJ and wasnt as ref protected.
also he plays in an era where teams score 10 less per game.
all tjhese facts bring me to the conclusion that LeBron= MJ scoring wise.
hes better in every other aspect tho:banana: :banana:

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[Jlamb47]

MJ > Bron

Lebrons 2011 n 2007 will make it where he will never surpass jordan

[Adam2k9]

interesting but Derrick Rose is the G.O.A.T

[TheMan]

LEBron never chucked and stat padded like MJ and wasnt as ref protected.
also he plays in an era where teams score 10 less per game.
all tjhese facts bring me to the conclusion that LeBron= MJ scoring wise.
hes better in every other aspect tho:banana: :banana:
MJ playoffs FTA avg...9.8
LeFlop...9.7

You can't be this dumb :facepalm

[Marlo_Stanfield]

MJ playoffs FTA avg...9.8
LeFlop...9.7

You can't be this dumb :facepalm
got you mad by saying LeFlop:banana: :banana:
Lebron is way harder to stop on the rim attack than Jordan and bigger and stronger.
MJ averaging 0,1 more FTA while shooting more Jumpers than Bron is a travesty:banana:

[TheMan]

Great players have stepped up at that age too. It wasn't long ago in that postseason when he did something historic in game 5 vs the Pistons. James didn't play well, it happens, but he could have also gone off and at least had a good/great series.
See rookie Magic, 1980 Finals GM 6.

LeBron could've at least have had ONE good game that avoided the sweep in that 07 Finals, was that too much to ask :confusedshrug:

[TheMan]

got you mad by saying LeFlop:banana: :banana:
Lebron is way harder to stop on the rim attack than Jordan and bigger and stronger.
MJ averaging 0,1 more FTA while shooting more Jumpers than Bron is a travesty:banana:
LeCollude bulldozes and offensive fouls (never gets called) his way to the rim :confusedshrug:

MJ was a slasher/post up player with a lethal jumper you idiot. MJ was so quick he'd beat his man to the rim without knocking people over. More graceful and better finisher at the rim, stop pretending he was Ray Allen. :facepalm

[Roundball_Rock]

Knicks 93 is a perfect example.

Outside of his 54 point game, he shot 35% for that series. They won a game where he shot 3-18. :oldlol:
They didn't just win that game, they slaughtered the Knicks. :oldlol:

96 finals is another example.

Shot 41% from the field, and all up shot 39% when they switched Payton on him. He goes 5-19 in the closeout game, and they still take the closeout game in a blowout.

97 against Miami...

It wasn't an overly bad series for him, average, but he took 27 shots a game that series while shooting 39%. Can you imagine Lebron doing that and winning?

None of these series even went to 7 despite Jordan's average or poor play. Jordan's career is story book. He was on the winning end in series where he played terribly.

People harp on about Lebron's terrible playoff series' because in most he didn't have a team to take him over the top. They harp on about Bron getting help from the refs, but it sure as hell wasn't anything like what Mike got. Down 2-0 to the Knicks in 93, Jordan playing poorly, yet in game 3 he gets 16 free throws by the half, they eject John Starks for nothing...
Then you have the closeout game against Indiana. Down double digits in the 4th, Jordan shoots 9-35 for the game. They still win, and they get all these free throws in the 4th quarter no doubt.

Jordan was story book because he was protected, and because when he did fault, his team picked him up.
Does anyone honestly see Jordan ever getting called for the fouls Lebron did in the game against Indiana just recently? Seriously...

:applause:

Regarding his story book, keep in mind no player in North American sports history has gotten as much hype or love from the media--even a decade plus after he retired. ESPN mentions him more than any other basketball player not named Kobe, LeBron, or Durant. How often do they mention KAJ, Wilt, or Russell?


Jordan jockers always used to support Bron, now its the opposite because they can see what's happening. Lebron is a threat, and a serious one.

Exactly.


LeBron could've at least have had ONE good game that avoided the sweep in that 07 Finals, was that too much to ask

LeBron carried scrubs to the Finals; MJ was going 40-42 and getting swept in the first round at that age. :lol

[ArbitraryWater]

:lol guy's too dumb to know when he was trolled

the moment you realize he wasnt trolling...


will probably never come on your ass

[ArbitraryWater]

Jordan scored 7 points in a close out game?


Jordan absolutely didn't show up for an entire finals like Lebron against dallas?



Problem is dude Jordan didn't have massive "WTF IS WRONG WITH THIS GUY?" moments.


Lebron has looked as dominant at points and then had completely out of body experiences where everyone is wondering what the hell his problem was. Those are a part of his legacy and continue to rear it's head at times. He looks completely rattled sometimes.


Mike didn't have a lot of those moments were you questioned the dude's heart.

LeBron's Game 5 against the Pacers... You really came away thinking WTF IS WRONG WITH THIS GUY?

Besides his 2011 Finals, I can't think of any other series :confusedshrug: Hardly even a Game, too... You want to mention that ECSF G5 vs Celtics in 2010? Well then you better mention MJ's in 1989 as well.

[Solefade]

this quote by Plowking is so true



Jordan jockers always used to support Bron, now its the opposite because they can see what's happening. Lebron is a threat, and a serious one.

:applause:

[OldSchoolBBall]

LeBron carried scrubs to the Finals; MJ was going 40-42 and getting swept in the first round at that age. :lol

Lebron carried scrubs to the Finals in an INCREDIBLY weak EC. Jordan carried a similarly bad team to the ECF in '89, handing the champion Pistons their only two losses of the postseason, and he beat better teams than Lebron did.

'88-'90 Jordan EASILY takes virtually ANY team to the Finals in the weak '07 EC.

[juju151111]

:applause:

Regarding his story book, keep in mind no player in North American sports history has gotten as much hype or love from the media--even a decade plus after he retired. ESPN mentions him more than any other basketball player not named Kobe, LeBron, or Durant. How often do they mention KAJ, Wilt, or Russell?



Exactly.



LeBron carried scrubs to the Finals; MJ was going 40-42 and getting swept in the first round at that age. :lol
You mean in the scrub east?

[TheMan]

Lebron carried scrubs to the Finals in an INCREDIBLY weak EC. Jordan carried a similarly bad team to the ECF in '89, handing the champion Pistons their only two losses of the postseason, and he beat better teams than Lebron did.

'88-'90 Jordan EASILY takes virtually ANY team to the Finals in the weak '07 EC.
Exactly

The East was so bad that the 07 Cavs 'battled' their way to the Finals only to get swept :oldlol:

[Roundball_Rock]

Scrub East? The best players of the "Jordan era" were in the West...

Western 90's legends: Magic, Drexler, Barkley, Robinson, Malone, Stockton, Hakeem, Payton

Eastern 90's legends: Pippen, Ewing

Spent significant time in both conferences: Shaq

LeBron beat a Pistons team that made 6 consecutive ECF's and 2 Finals--a team that won 58 games the following year.


Jordan carried a similarly bad team to the ECF in '89

The same team that made the ECF again the following year and then won three consecutive championships? :confusedshrug: You are comparing that squad to Larry Hughes, Daniel Gibson, and Drew Gooden?:lol


handing the champion Pistons their only two losses of the postseason

If he did not quit in Game 5 it could have been 3 losses...So MJ won two games by himself and then three the next year--but was going 38-44 and 40-42 and losing in the first round three straight years as a low seed previously? Why could he not carry the 87' team like he did the 88' team?

LeBron has a high seed and is in the conference finals or NBA finals pretty much every year, irrespective of who is or is not on his team. :bowdown:


Besides his 2011 Finals, I can't think of any other series

The 2011 Finals are overblown. Yeah, LeBron did not perform at his usual level but he still posted 18/7/7. Those are top 10 player numbers--and this is what LeBron did when he was off his game.

[TheMan]

Spin it all you want Bran stan, name me one great East team in 07, this gun' be gud.

Everyone knows those Pistons were a shell of their 04 team.

[juju151111]

Scrub East? The best players of the "Jordan era" were in the West...

Western 90's legends: Magic, Drexler, Barkley, Robinson, Malone, Stockton, Hakeem, Payton

Eastern 90's legends: Pippen, Ewing

Spent significant time in both conferences: Shaq

LeBron beat a Pistons team that made 6 consecutive ECF's and 2 Finals--a team that won 58 games the following year.



The same team that made the ECF again the following year and then won three consecutive championships? :confusedshrug: You are comparing that squad to Larry Hughes, Daniel Gibson, and Drew Gooden?:lol



If he did not quit in Game 5 it could have been 3 losses...So MJ won two games by himself and then three the next year--but was going 38-44 and 40-42 and losing in the first round three straight years as a low seed previously? Why could he not carry the 87' team like he did the 88' team?

LeBron has a high seed and is in the conference finals or NBA finals pretty much every year, irrespective of who is or is not on his team. :bowdown:



The 2011 Finals are overblown. Yeah, LeBron did not perform at his usual level but he still posted 18/7/7. Those are top 10 player numbers--and this is what LeBron did when he was off his game.
The east was garbage. He beat the wizards. LeBron beat a pistons team that already peak 3 years ago and was going downhill. They lose to Wade and Shaw last year. LeBron then proceeded to get swept in the finals. LeBron was garbage in 2011 and perform ed way below his standards. It's not only stats he was hurting the team by not taking wide open shots in the clutch and passing the ball around like hot patato.

[WindmiLL]

It's not only stats he was hurting the team by not taking wide open shots in the clutch and passing the ball around like hot patato.

He was taking shots but his jumper just wasn't falling unlike 2 series before against Boston and Chicago. And as everybody wants to talk about having a top 3 player and top 10 player by his side I don't see why he should be forcing himself shooting more jumpers if he was off and he wasn't a great jumpshooter anyway back then. It's the only logical thing to leave it to a top 3 player and a top 3 PF to finnish things off if you're struggling in that series.

It's funny that that was the year when many posters on here were saying that Lebron should be a second option to Wade anyway if he ever wants to win something. And in the finals he was excatly that and we all know how things turned out. And we also know how things turned out when roles were reversed in '12 and '13.

[Roundball_Rock]

The Pistons had the second best record--in the league--the following year (behind only the Big 3 Celtics) yet MJ stans are acting as if they were washed by 2007. :lol

LeBron was in the finals at the same age MJ was getting swept in the first round. :roll:

[SamuraiSWISH]

Lebron carried scrubs to the Finals in an INCREDIBLY weak EC. Jordan carried a similarly bad team to the ECF in '89, handing the champion Pistons their only two losses of the postseason, and he beat better teams than Lebron did.

'88-'90 Jordan EASILY takes virtually ANY team to the Finals in the weak '07 EC.
BINGO

:applause:

[DonDadda59]

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[DMV2]

:lol

[CelticBaller]

2-5

[ThePhantomCreep]

Not that Jordan lacks the stats but...

Eyeball test >>> advanced statistics

Jordan >>> LeBron

[JM720]

http://oi41.tinypic.com/34qmnat.jpg

[Roundball_Rock]

:oldlol: at people acting as if MJ would have won with this team.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

The power of the bump.. :oldlol:

[DonDadda59]

:oldlol: at people acting as if MJ would have won with this team.

Go to sleep. Come back with fresh excuse essays tomorrow :cheers:

[Roundball_Rock]

Go to sleep. Come back with fresh excuse essays tomorrow :cheers:

:cheers:


The power of the bump..


True but give me props for showing up tonight. :lol

[TheMan]

'When LeBron surpasses MJ as GOAT'...


Seriously, OP said this...
http://img.chinasmack.com/www/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/laughing-yao-ming.jpg
Sit your ass down, son :pimp:

[PickernRoller]

Getting outplayed by a role player....disgraceful. There is no adjective to describe the fraud that is Lebron James....NONE!