kobe fans worst nightmare come true? nah. its a duncan/lebron fans worst nightmare

[kennethgriffin]

neither duncan or lebron can pass kobe in rings

neither duncan or lebron can pass kobe in finals

neither duncan or lebron can pass kobe in titles won with scrubs ( sasha/farmer/odumb/gasoft )

but...

no matter what...

one of them will lose. and it will be devastating to their legacy

either

a) duncan loses and he chokes away 2 finals both times with 2 better teams. once with a blown wide open layup to win it all. and another time with homecourt advantage.. basically throwing away any chance at catching kobes 5 titles with an epic career ending failure

or

b) lebron loses and he ends up being known as the guy who lost to a 40 year old tim duncan on the way to being 2 for 5 in nba finals ( a losing finals record and epic failure. leading to the break up of the miami heat )




one of either duncan or lebron will be tarnishing their legacy... kobe won his last 2 finals. his career is set in stone and hes locked in his place all time

duncan and lebron fans need to be the ones that are worried

one of them will come out on top.

but the other will be shat out the bottom down the shit pole like a sh*t covered fireman and he cant climb back up cause the polls too slippery. the harder they try and climb up. the faster they fall back down.



http://i60.tinypic.com/24xkx04.jpg

sh*t polls

[Warfan]

http://static.foxsports.com/content/fscom/img/2013/06/04/060413-NBA-You-Lose-Kobe-PI-AA_20130604235246227_660_320.JPG

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

no doubt this is driving kobe crazy

[EnoughSaid]

On one hand you have the greatest power forward to ever play the game, and on the other you have the eventual top 3 player of all time.

Nobody gives a shit about how any of this impacts Kobe. The league hasn't been about him for 4 years now. :facepalm

[kennethgriffin]

http://static.foxsports.com/content/fscom/img/2013/06/04/060413-NBA-You-Lose-Kobe-PI-AA_20130604235246227_660_320.JPG

one of them has to lose though


one of duncan or lebron will be ruining their careers

the negatives for one of them outweigh the positives for both no matter the outcome

either duncans known as a failure

or lebrons known as a failure

[kennethgriffin]

losing his last 2 chances to catch kobe = devastating

or

going 2 for 5 in finals and losing to 40 year old duncan = devastating


























pick one

[RoundMoundOfReb]

One of them has to lose every single year you ****ing idiot. This is definitely a nightmare scenario for #TeamKobe.

[T_L_P]

I love how the argument used to be "Kobe has more rings" and now it's become "rings won with scrubs."

Here's another one: rings won as the best player on their team. Duncan sits at 4, at least 3. LeBron sits on 2, could be 3. Kobe only has 2.

Kobe stans on the back foot the past two years. It's incredibly funny.

[r15mohd]

Either which way, Lebron and TD have made the distance between themselves above Kobe much greater by both being in the Finals again. They DONT decline for making a Finals :facepalm

[LeBron 06]

Being in the finals is an achievement...This is better to be in final that lose in the first round or missed the playoffs


Even if LeBron loses, his career is not over and for Duncan the fact that he plays at a very high level at age 38 with a contender is unbelievable

[kennethgriffin]

One of them has to lose every single year you ****ing idiot. This is definitely a nightmare scenario for #TeamKobe.


its the scenarios. not the fact that they didnt win


when you lose in the finals. the world takes notice.

its way more damaging to choke away 2 finals as the better team and come so close but to fail. more so than any other alternative

and its way more damaging to be known as 2 for 5 in the finals and losing to a 40 year old than any alternative


everyone brings up kobes 2004 finals

its their ammo

nobody says "remember 2003"


lol failing on the biggest stage under the worst circumstances and storylines and tarnishing legacies is hard to make up for. its hard to overcome

these last 2 black eyes will be the last thing we remember about duncan

or

this last black eye for lebron will be the last thing we remember about the heat. and all people will say is


2 for 5










2 for 5













2 for 5


:lol

[LeBron 06]

Either which way, Lebron and TD have made the distance between themselves above Kobe much greater by both being in the Finals again. They DONT decline for making a Finals :facepalm


this

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Please stop with this "losing in the finals is worse than losing in the first round" crap. It makes no sense. Funny thing is the same people who do this will make fun of other players like Melo, cp3, tmac (especially) for not making it out of the early rounds. ****ing hypocrites.

[LeBron 06]

its the scenarios. not the fact that they didnt win


when you lose in the finals. the world takes notice.

its way more damaging to choke away 2 finals as the better team and come so close but to fail. more so than any other alternative

and its way more damaging to be known as 2 for 5 in the finals and losing to a 40 year old than any alternative


everyone brings up kobes 2004 finals

its their ammo

nobody says "remember 2003"


lol failing on the biggest stage under the worst circumstances and storylines and tarnishing legacies is hard to make up for. its hard to overcome

these last 2 black eyes will be the last thing we remember about duncan

or

this last black eye for lebron will be the last thing we remember about the heat. and all people will say is


2 for 5










2 for 5













2 for 5


:lol



Magic Johnson has lost 4 times in the finals......His career is probably a failure ....

[fpliii]

griff - what do you want us to do this offseason (coaching hire, draft, FA, etc.)?

[r15mohd]

Magic Johnson has lost 4 times in the finals......His career is probably a failure ....


They'll never admit to this...you'll be bashed, I'm sure :rolleyes:

[ILLsmak]

one of them has to lose though


one of duncan or lebron will be ruining their careers

the negatives for one of them outweigh the positives for both no matter the outcome

either duncans known as a failure

or lebrons known as a failure





that bold now.

u scarin me bro.

-Smak

[r15mohd]

griff - what do you want us to do this offseason (coaching hire, draft, FA, etc.)?

Enroll Kobe in AARP :D

[kennethgriffin]

Magic Johnson has lost 4 times in the finals......His career is probably a failure ....


its all about having a winning record in the finals


magic is 5 for 9

if he was 4 for 9 he'd be a failure more often than a success


its a huge difference


and 2 for 5 is 1000000000000 times worse..

thats some wilt like choking

[LeBron 06]

its all about having a winning record in the finals


magic is 5 for 9

if he was 4 for 9 he'd be a failure more often than a success


its a huge difference


and 2 for 5 is 1000000000000 times worse..

thats some wilt like choking



so 2-0(2 rings) > 4-5(4 rings)?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

its all about having a winning record in the finals


magic is 5 for 9

if he was 4 for 9 he'd be a failure more often than a success


its a huge difference


and 2 for 5 is 1000000000000 times worse..

thats some wilt like choking


Yes 4 for 9 is worse than 5 for 9 but 5 for 12 isn't necessarily worse than 5 for 9.

[kennethgriffin]

griff - what do you want us to do this offseason (coaching hire, draft, FA, etc.)?


hire a coach that knows the triangle.

trade the draft pick to get a star player beside kobe now

sign the best available FA and pau gasol. split the cap down the middle for them both.

dump nashes contract to get more money to keep gasol

[chris02jammers]

http://static.foxsports.com/content/fscom/img/2013/06/04/060413-NBA-You-Lose-Kobe-PI-AA_20130604235246227_660_320.JPG
hahahaha

[LeBron 06]

For me 4-2 > 4-0,since 6 finals appearance is better than 4

[BasedTom]

This damage control is pathetic

And if Lebron wins, how is he 2/5? He'd be 3/5. Don't they teach math on the Worst Coast?

It's called a 3peat because you have to win it 3 times in a row, shithead.

[kennethgriffin]

Yes 4 for 9 is worse than 5 for 9 but 5 for 12 isn't necessarily worse than 5 for 9.

are you dumb?

the whole point of competition and professional sports is to win more often than you lose. if a guy is in the finals 12 times then he fails when hes expected to succeed

one might say... well but he made it to the finals... well if he made it there it means he has a great team. and if every time you reach a point where you're finally facing a comparable team and you fail. then you cant get the job done when you should.


having a great team and always losing with it is allllllllllllot worse than having a poor team and losing with it.

if a guy loses for 11 years on a crap franchise. then finally gets help and wins 1 time in the 12th year. itel show all he needed was the right pieces


but if a guy is on a great franchise and is in the finals 11 years. always losing. but flukes 1 title... its not nearly as good as a guy going 1 for 1 in the finals


why the f*ck do you think jordan is so untouchable with 6 for 6


people always bring up his undefeated finals resume


its one of the major factors for putting him #1 all time in most peoples eyes



anyone trying to defend a guy for having a losing finals record has absolutely no understanding or concept for nba historical rankings or common sense for that matter


:facepalm

[LeBron 06]

The reality is that Duncan is already better than Kobe, no matter what happens in the finals and it will be the case for LeBron too,when it career will be over

[BasedTom]

its all about having a winning record in the finals


magic is 5 for 9

if he was 4 for 9 he'd be a failure more often than a success


its a huge difference


and 2 for 5 is 1000000000000 times worse..

thats some wilt like choking
How do you feel about Jerry West?

What are your personal rankings for the top 5 SGs of all time?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

are you dumb?

the whole point of competition and professional sports is to win more often than you lose. if a guy is in the finals 12 times then he fails when hes expected to succeed

one might say... well but he made it to the finals... well if he made it there it means he has a great team. and if every time you reach a point where you're finally facing a comparable team and you fail. then you cant get the job done when you should.


having a great team and always losing with it is allllllllllllot worse than having a poor team and losing with it.

if a guy loses for 11 years on a crap franchise. then finally gets help and wins 1 time in the 12th year. itel show all he needed was the right pieces


but if a guy is on a great franchise and is in the finals 11 years. always losing. but flukes 1 title... its not nearly as good as a guy going 1 for 1 in the finals


why the f*ck do you think jordan is so untouchable with 6 for 6


people always bring up his undefeated finals resume


its one of the major factors for putting him #1 all time in most peoples eyes



anyone trying to defend a guy for having a losing finals record has absolutely no understanding or concept for nba historical rankings or common sense for that matter


:facepalm

Making the finals and losing is worse than not making the playoffs? lol

Jordan being 6 for 6 really isn't a factor for me when ranking him.

So if Tim Duncan wins and goes 5 for 6 will you admit he's better than 5 for 7 Kobe?

[kennethgriffin]

This damage control is pathetic

And if Lebron wins, how is he 2/5? He'd be 3/5. Don't they teach math on the Worst Coast?

It's called a 3peat because you have to win it 3 times in a row, shithead.


you're the f*cking sh*t head... this entire thread is about what happens to the loser. not the winner numb nuts

:facepalm

[DFish24]

Agreed OP. Lebron loses and in 2/5 in the Finals. Duncan loses and misses his opportunity to tie Kobe for the second time.

[LeBron 06]

are you dumb?

the whole point of competition and professional sports is to win more often than you lose. if a guy is in the finals 12 times then he fails when hes expected to succeed

one might say... well but he made it to the finals... well if he made it there it means he has a great team. and if every time you reach a point where you're finally facing a comparable team and you fail. then you cant get the job done when you should.


having a great team and always losing with it is allllllllllllot worse than having a poor team and losing with it.

if a guy loses for 11 years on a crap franchise. then finally gets help and wins 1 time in the 12th year. itel show all he needed was the right pieces


but if a guy is on a great franchise and is in the finals 11 years. always losing. but flukes 1 title... its not nearly as good as a guy going 1 for 1 in the finals


why the f*ck do you think jordan is so untouchable with 6 for 6


people always bring up his undefeated finals resume


its one of the major factors for putting him #1 all time in most peoples eyes



anyone trying to defend a guy for having a losing finals record has absolutely no understanding or concept for nba historical rankings or common sense for that matter


:facepalm



Sometimes you going to the final even if the team was not great


It's like saying that it would have been better for LeBron to lose against the pistons in 2007, since he would have now a winning record in the finals

[kennethgriffin]

Jordan being 6 for 6 really isn't a factor for me when ranking him.

So if Tim Duncan wins and goes 5 for 6 will you admit he's better than 5 for 7 Kobe?


:biggums:


because if jordan was 6 for 10 and lost to malone a few times or lost to barkley or drexler it would improve his legacy?


you god d*MN sh*T for brains.. all jordan fans ever do is use his 6 for 6 in debates

its their 2nd biggest argument asside from the 6 finals mvps

people always rip on kobe and lebron saying theyel never be undefeated

magic johnson used it last year in the finals telecast half time shows during the lebron comparisons and said his 6 for 6 is the reason he wont be matched.


HOLY LLOOL i'm dying right now lol

anything to fit an agenda

:oldlol: :roll: :lol :lol

[fpliii]

hire a coach that knows the triangle.

trade the draft pick to get a star player beside kobe now

sign the best available FA and pau gasol. split the cap down the middle for them both.

dump nashes contract to get more money to keep gasol
What do you think about Larry Brown?

http://tracking.si.com/2014/06/02/larry-brown-scott-skiles-lakers-coaching-candidates-nba/

Also, how hard should we try to trade for Love or Rondo?

[kennethgriffin]

i'd give anything for kobe to be 5 for 5 in finals

if kobe never loses to detroit or boston.. his legacy jumps 10 fold


it would be a major argument over magic johnson


magic is 5 for 9

kobe is 5 for 5



that would be devastating .. and nobody could rip on kobe for 2004 anymore lol


these lebron fans lol... 2007,2011 and 2014 could haunt lebron forever... and if 2014 is anywhere near as embarrassing a performance. itel be even worse


2 for 5

llool

[kennethgriffin]

What do you think about Larry Brown?

http://tracking.si.com/2014/06/02/larry-brown-scott-skiles-lakers-coaching-candidates-nba/

Also, how hard should we try to trade for Love or Rondo?

i'd trade the 7th pick for either guy

and larry brown sucks.. hes too oldschool. some players hate him

[LeBron 06]

Also, you can play great and lose

If LeBron or Duncan loses even if they have played great it not deserve to be considered as a failure

[fpliii]

i'd give anything for kobe to be 5 for 5 in finals

if kobe never loses to detroit or boston.. his legacy jumps 10 fold


it would be a major argument over magic johnson


magic is 5 for 9

kobe is 5 for 5



that would be devastating .. and nobody could rip on kobe for 2004 anymore lol


these lebron fans lol... 2007,2011 and 2014 could haunt lebron forever... and if 2014 is anywhere near as embarrassing a performance. itel be even worse


2 for 5

llool


I don't know if it matters all that much though, griff. Both teams are top 10 all-time defenses. Your star isn't going to put up big numbers against them, and they're gonna win more often than not. Sure, it'd be nice to have 5-5, but that would mean we'd get to the Finals less often. It's all about championships, but it ****ing sucks not being able to root for your team late in the season. No playoffs at all is worse than an early loss, fortunately we don't have many seasons like this.

[Ne 1]

Here's another one: rings won as the best player on their team. Duncan sits at 4, at least 3. LeBron sits on 2, could be 3. Kobe only has 2.

That would mean something if the "best player on the team was able to win without the "second best player on the team" but as we've seen aside from a few cases in the history of the league, this cannot be done. Also it's irrelevant especially for Kobe considering his production was better than or on par with some players rings won as the "best player on the team." The consensus back then was that Shaq was the best player in the league during the 3peat, but if you're going to use that to try to discredit Kobe, you have to take into account the consensus was that Kobe was the next best player in the league starting around the 2001 playoffs. Also, as dominant as prime Shaq was, any guard/swingman in the history of the league would have been the "second best player on the team." People are hypercritical about this too. Magic is considered to be a 5x champion, and many people rank him above Bird because he has 5 rings to Bird's 3, yet Magic was only clearly the "best player on the team" for 2 of his rings, yet nobody puts a qualifier on his rings. Heck, Kobe was actually much closer to Shaq in 2001 and 2002 than Magic was to Kareem in 1980, yet all 5 of Magic's rings "count" but only 2 of Kobe's rings "count?" (2009 and 2010) :oldlol: Nobody seems to penalize Dr. J, Oscar or West even though they weren't the "best player" for their championships.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

:biggums:


because if jordan was 6 for 10 and lost to malone a few times or lost to barkley or drexler it would improve his legacy?


you god d*MN sh*T for brains.. all jordan fans ever do is use his 6 for 6 in debates

its their 2nd biggest argument asside from the 6 finals mvps

people always rip on kobe and lebron saying theyel never be undefeated

magic johnson used it last year in the finals telecast half time shows during the lebron comparisons and said his 6 for 6 is the reason he wont be matched.


HOLY LLOOL i'm dying right now lol

anything to fit an agenda

:oldlol: :roll: :lol :lol

If Jordan were 6 for 10 (in the same amount of playoff runs) it would mean that he reached the finals 10/13 times which would be absurd and a plus in my book (and in any sane persons)

As far as "losing to Malone, Barkley, Drexler" how is that different than losing to Bird, Isiah, Shaq, Moncrief? Just because it's the finals? How absurd is that.

[DFish24]

That would mean something if the "best player on the team was able to win without the "second best player on the team" but as we've seen aside from a few cases in the history of the league, this cannot be done. Also it's irrelevant especially for Kobe considering his production was better than or on par with some players rings won as the "best player on the team." The consensus back then was that Shaq was the best player in the league during the 3peat, but if you're going to use that to try to discredit Kobe, you have to take into account The consensus was the Kobe was the next best player in the league starting around the 2001 playoffs. Also, as dominant as prime Shaq was, any guard/swingman in the history of the league would have been the "second best player on the team." People are hypercritical about this too. Magic is considered to be a 5x champion, and many people rank him above Bird because he has 5 rings to Bird's 3, yet Magic was only clearly the "best player on the team" for 2 of his rings, yet nobody puts a qualifier on his rings. Heck, Kobe was actually much closer to Shaq in 2001 and 2002 than Magic was to Kareem in 1980, yet all 5 of Magic's rings "count" but only 2 of Kobe's rings "count?" (2009 and 2010) :oldlol: Nobody seems to penalize Dr. J, Oscar or West even though they weren't the "best player" for their championships.

:applause:

[kennethgriffin]

I don't know if it matters all that much though, griff. Both teams are top 10 all-time defenses. Your star isn't going to put up big numbers against them, and they're gonna win more often than not. Sure, it'd be nice to have 5-5, but that would mean we'd get to the Finals less often. It's all about championships, but it ****ing sucks not being able to root for your team late in the season. No playoffs at all is worse than an early loss, fortunately we don't have many seasons like this.


as a fan of the lakers it hurt way more to see them lose in 2008 than it ever did seeing them lose in 2006 or 2007


and people never stop ripping on kobe for 2004

losing in the finals. especially when you're the favorite or have extra pressure to win is way more damaging on a legacy

people only remember the finals

its all the writers and critics rip on all offseason. its all the fans talk about

nobodies gonna be like "remember how george and the pacers couldnt make it past the heat and play sanantonio in the finals?"

no..

all people will remember is who lost in the finals..

and choking 2 in a row and retiring as the guy who came up short trying to match kobe for their generation is pretty bad

or

being known as the guy who lost to a 40 year old dinosaur and being 2 for 5 while the heat break up and getting blamed for it will totally destroy lebrons legacy

one guy might be moving up in the top 10.. who knows... thats up for debate.

but what isnt up for discussion is the fact that one of these 2 will be moving OUT of the top 10

[T_L_P]

That would mean something if the "best player on the team was able to win without the "second best player on the team" but as we've seen aside from a few cases in the history of the league, this cannot be done. Also it's irrelevant especially for Kobe considering his production was better than or on par with some players rings won as the "best player on the team." The consensus back then was that Shaq was the best player in the league during the 3peat, but if you're going to use that to try to discredit Kobe, you have to take into account The consensus was the Kobe was the next best player in the league starting around the 2001 playoffs. Also, as dominant as prime Shaq was, any guard/swingman in the history of the league would have been the "second best player on the team." People are hypercritical about this too. Magic is considered to be a 5x champion, and many people rank him above Bird because he has 5 rings to Bird's 3, yet Magic was only clearly the "best player on the team" for 2 of his rings, yet nobody puts a qualifier on his rings. Heck, Kobe was actually much closer to Shaq in 2001 and 2002 than Magic was to Kareem in 1980, yet all 5 of Magic's rings "count" but only 2 of Kobe's rings "count?" (2009 and 2010) :oldlol: Nobody seems to penalize Dr. J, Oscar or West even though they weren't the "best player" for their championships.

This guy just said the consensus was that Kobe was considered the second best player in the league from '01 on. Unless you simply meant he was the second best player in the '01 Playoffs?

Even the most blind Kobe enthusiasts know Kobe was not considered better than Duncan or Shaq in the early 2000s. Duncan was the 2002 MVP, 2003 MVP and Finals MVP, 2nd in MVP voting in 2004, 2005 Finals MVP. Kobe was better than Duncan in '01: that's it. There wasn't a single year after that where he was ahead of Duncan, and most people back then knew it.

[Cocaine80s]

typing in bold doesnt make your shitty posts any more accurate

[FPJ]

neither duncan or lebron can pass kobe in rings

neither duncan or lebron can pass kobe in finals

neither duncan or lebron can pass kobe in titles won with scrubs ( sasha/farmer/odumb/gasoft )

Neither Duncan or Lebron can pass Kobe in retarded stans.

[Adam Silver]

On one hand you have the greatest power forward to ever play the game, and on the other you have the eventual top 3 player of all time.

Nobody gives a shit about how any of this impacts Kobe. The league hasn't been about him for 4 years now. :facepalm

This. Kobe is worthless and irrelevant in the Adam Silver era.

[BoutPractice]

Not necessarily: you have to think longer term. For example, imagine the Spurs win, the Heat don't break up, and instead they win it all next year after tweaking their roster just a bit (very possible since I can't imagine the Spurs doing it again after this one).

Then Duncan would finish with 5 titles (and perhaps 4 FMVPs), and LeBron would have led his team to 5 straight Finals including 3 titles.

In any case, this talk of legacies is starting to get boring, we have Finals to enjoy.

[funnystuff]

Pau Gasol 2010 FMVP :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Big#50]

I am surprised Kobe Stans have not committed suicide. Kudos

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Kenneth has seriously gone insane the last couple of days.
crazy shit:biggums:

[ArbitraryWater]

You do realize one of them looses every single year? Why would it be devastating NOW that they meet in the Finals? If you're gonna lose, let it be the NBA FINALS FFS. How is that a failure? :facepalm

[Keno]

not sure if serious. duncan is already ahead of kobe all time, if he wins this year it just solidifies he's better than kobe and was the player of the decade in 00's and had better longetivity than kobes.

if lebron loses he's only 29. barring any major injury, he's going to win a minimum of 2 more mvps and a minimum of 3-4 finals appearances with a minimum of 3 rings. that resume is better than kobes too.

so yea, it is a lose-lose for kobe stans. deal with it.

[SCdac]

Kenneth Griffin needs help. Dude is indeed melting down

[dubeta]

The real question is how long till OP commits suicide once Bran 3 peats :roll:

[KG215]

The real question is how long till OP commits suicide once Bran 3 peats :roll:
He's already formulating the nonsensical bullshit he's going to post in his new "That Ring Doesn't Mean Anything for LeBron" thread if/when the Heat win. That's his thing. Think of the most ignorant, illogical argument possible, defend his stance with almost exclusively arbitrary nonsense, mention Kobe a few hundred times, and embarrass himself for 5+ pages in another one of his awful threads.

[alanLA92]

This thread is so pointless. :oldlol: