The secret in never choking in playoffs/clutch according to MJ

[played0ut]

Regardless of wherever you put MJ on your GOAT lists, no one can deny that come playoffs/finals, he always AT LEAST maintains his regular season numbers. Then there are amazing players who, for whatever reason, lose it. i.e Earlier Lebron, current Durant, James Harden.

It's actually a very stupidly ****ing simple solution, and would work for ALL of the current stars; it's how you practice.

Interview with MJ. You cant start at 1:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXdj8scRdFE



For those who can't watch the vid:


-Treat every practice like game 7. Everyday in practice, treat it like a competition. (MJ forces his team to give their all in practice, otherwise he'd kill them MJ brought that intensity to the Dream Team too).



Why practice like that?




-Because then when crunch time comes, it's nothing he hasn't done before--it's the same thing as in practice. By then it's a routine.




It's really that simple. And shows why the more ruthlessly competitive players (Bird, West) almost always step up. Interview with MJ. You cant start at 1:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXdj8scRdFE



David Robinson and Scottie talking about practicing with MJ @3:35
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSk0bbtJdug




*EDIT*

For the record, my definition of choking is having your standard level of play greatly regress in pressure situations. A loss where your play maintains your standard isn't a choke. That's just losing.

[Real14]

Jordan choked against tha pistons tho.

[AnaheimLakers24]

and the celtics

[played0ut]

Jordan choked against tha pistons tho.

He had decent numbers. He kept going at them even though he was getting clobbered. But Pistons had a better team. Jordan's team wasn't very good. He needed Pippen. No one can win by themselves.

Bill Laimbeer explicitly said (in recent pistons documentary) that they were focusing their entire defense on him, and leaving the rest of his team alone. Lol no one can win like that.

[Real14]

and the celtics
very true.

[Real14]

Lol those Celtics were maybe the best NBA team in history. I would possibly take them over even '96 bulls, let alone a really crappy '86 Bulls.
:coleman:

[played0ut]

and the celtics

Lol those Celtics were maybe the best NBA team in history. I would possibly take them over even '96 bulls, let alone a really crappy '86 Bulls. It's not choking-- it's being outplayed by a much, MUCH better team. Nothing wrong with that.



Anyhoo, my definition of choking isn't losing. It's having your 'standard' play greatly regress in pressure situations. I think you'll both (you and Real14) agree with me there.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Jordan choked against tha pistons tho.
:applause: :applause:

[lakerspng]

I hate the word choke.

The only way someone can choke is to not give their full effort.

Players miss shots. No one wins every game. Every player who's ever played has failed at times, just the nature of competition.

It seems like someone can't miss a shot or lose a game now without people saying they "choked" it's ridiculous.

[played0ut]

Anyhoo, my definition of choking isn't losing. It's having your 'standard' play greatly regress in pressure situations.


:applause: :applause:


Lol Marlo. Do you agree with my definition of choking?

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Lol Marlo. Do you agree with my definition of choking?
yeah i agree let me have a little fun.
jordan choked at times too tho.
like when he was 0-16 against the Celtics at some point.
you dont do that without choking:coleman:

[played0ut]

yeah, i think every player had those days, though. That's why I don't hold lebron's or kobe's bad days against them.

Im just imagining how the NBA would be if Lebron had that mindset from the start. He's amazing now, but if he adopted that mindset? It's a learnable trait, too. Hell, Jordan forced it onto his entire team.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

yeah, i think every player had those days, though. That's why I don't hold lebron's or kobe's bad days against them.

Im just imagining how the NBA would be if Lebron had that mindset from the start. He's amazing now, but if he adopted that mindset? It's a learnable trait, too. Hell, Jordan forced it onto his entire team.
LeBron was insanely clutch in Cleveland at times considering defenses focused jsut on him. he didnt have the consistent mindset tho.
but he had a lot of super clutch performances.
no matter his mindset he wouldnt have won in Cleveland anyway.
he COULd have 3 rings by now however:coleman:

[played0ut]

LeBron was insanely clutch in Cleveland at times considering defenses focused jsut on him. he didnt have the consistent mindset tho.
but he had a lot of super clutch performances.
no matter his mindset he wouldnt have won in Cleveland anyway.
he COULd have 3 rings by now however:coleman:

Lol not a single player in NBA history could win with that team.

[stanlove1111]

Regardless of wherever you put MJ on your GOAT lists, no one can deny that come playoffs/finals, he always AT LEAST maintains his regular season numbers. Then there are amazing players who, for whatever reason, lose it. i.e Earlier Lebron, current Durant, James Harden.

It's actually a very stupidly ****ing simple solution, and would work for ALL of the current stars; it's how you practice. For those who can't watch the vid:


-Treat every practice like game 7. Everyday in practice, treat it like a competition. (MJ forces his team to give their all in practice, otherwise he'd kill them MJ brought that intensity to the Dream Team too).



Why?



-Because when the game comes, it's nothing he hasn't done before. It's the same thing as in practice. By then it's a routine.




It's really that simple. And shows why the more ruthlessly competitive players (Bird, West) almost always step up. Interview with MJ. You cant start at 1:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXdj8scRdFE



David Robinson and Scottie talking about practicing with MJ @3:35
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSk0bbtJdug




*EDIT*

For the record, my definition of choking is having your standard level of play greatly regress in pressure situations. A loss where your play maintains your standard isn't a choke. That's just losing.

Just one more thing that shows there are a bunch of morons on this board is the constant not understanding what choking is..Its bad enough that the morons on this board shows their total lack of knowing anything about basketball with their constant harping on FMVP awards and stats obsessing, and actually thinking the only thing that matters when ranking a player is a titles..Now its the constant obsessing about choking every single time someone losing a game. Now to many morons on this board everytime you miss an important shot or lose a big game it means you are choking, not that you lose to better teams and everyone misses shots..

Does anyone know where I can find a place to talk about basketball with people who actually have IQs over 70 and actually understand basketball.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Lol those Celtics were maybe the best NBA team in history. I would possibly take them over even '96 bulls, let alone a really crappy '86 Bulls. It's not choking-- it's being outplayed by a much, MUCH better team. Nothing wrong with that.



Anyhoo, my definition of choking isn't losing. It's having your 'standard' play greatly regress in pressure situations. I think you'll both (you and Real14) agree with me there.

the 85-86 celtics had higher ratings than the 95-96 bulls in nba 2k11. I LOVED using kevin mchale. The 89 pistons (i think) were also really fun to use in that game. The 94-95 magic is ridiculous if you know how to use them.

[stanlove1111]

Lol not a single player in NBA history could win with that team.
Yeap. What he did with Cleveland was amazing and much more impressive then others winning titles with stacked teams. That's why when you rank Lebron its silly to hold him back because he only has 2 titles.

Does it show your greatness more if you lead the awful Cavs to be title contenders years after year or barely win a title with a stacked roster..I will take what he did with the Cavs or what someone like Kobe did with Shaq on his team and refs going to jail..

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Yeap. What he did with Cleveland was amazing and much more impressive then others winning titles with stacked teams. That's why when you rank Lebron its silly to hold him back because he only has 2 titles.

Does it show your greatness more if you lead the awful Cavs to be title contenders years after year or barely win a title with a stacked roster..I will take what he did with the Cavs or what someone like Kobe did with Shaq on his team and refs going to jail..
what a great human being:bowdown: :bowdown:

[Real14]

Yeap. What he did with Cleveland was amazing and much more impressive then others winning titles with stacked teams. That's why when you rank Lebron its silly to hold him back because he only has 2 titles.

Does it show your greatness more if you lead the awful Cavs to be title contenders years after year or barely win a title with a stacked roster..I will take what he did with the Cavs or what someone like Kobe did with Shaq on his team and refs going to jail..
LeBron did an impressive thing with tha cavs back then but tha reason why we hold him back cuz of how he got those 2 rings. lebronita iz way better than that. She knew better:facepalm

[HurricaneKid]

yeah, i think every player had those days, though. That's why I don't hold lebron's or kobe's bad days against them.

Im just imagining how the NBA would be if Lebron had that mindset from the start. He's amazing now, but if he adopted that mindset? It's a learnable trait, too. Hell, Jordan forced it onto his entire team.

2009 LeBron was every bit the player MJ ever was. His team was -5 pts/48 without him on the floor and +15/48min with a 66-16 record (with him on the floor). That is tied for 9th best record ever with a roster that would have been bottom 5 in the league if you extrapolate the "without LeBron stats"

He made a GW 3, avg 38/8.5/8.5 on outstanding efficiency and his team lost. They didn't lose because of "his mindset". They lost because the team around him was awful and playoff basketball allows teams to start taking things away from other teams.

Its LAZY to say someone was "weak" because they lost. The truth is the better team wins. Teams now attack the weakest point in the opposition's D relentlessly. Tiny guys like Mo, Booby, etc were asked to get out and guard Hedo, Shard, etc who ALL had 7 inches on them.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

2009 LeBron was every bit the player MJ ever was. His team was -5 pts/48 without him on the floor and +15/48min with a 66-16 record (with him on the floor). That is tied for 9th best record ever with a roster that would have been bottom 5 in the league if you extrapolate the "without LeBron stats"

He made a GW 3, avg 38/8.5/8.5 on outstanding efficiency and his team lost. They didn't lose because of "his mindset". They lost because the team around him was awful and playoff basketball allows teams to start taking things away from other teams.

Its LAZY to say someone was "weak" because they lost. The truth is the better team wins. Teams now attack the weakest point in the opposition's D relentlessly. Tiny guys like Mo, Booby, etc were asked to get out and guard Hedo, Shard, etc who ALL had 7 inches on them.
hes every bit the player Mj was since 2009 maybe even 2008 with the exception of 2011 and maybe 2010:coleman:

[Calabis]

and the celtics

:facepalm

Maybe you should try watching the series and then maybe you would realize Woolridge played like complete shit

[BasedTom]

Iverson...

dude could have been the GOAT

[atljonesbro]

Iverson...

dude could have been the GOAT
Lol

[played0ut]

2009 LeBron was every bit the player MJ ever was. His team was -5 pts/48 without him on the floor and +15/48min with a 66-16 record (with him on the floor). That is tied for 9th best record ever with a roster that would have been bottom 5 in the league if you extrapolate the "without LeBron stats"


lebron wasn't a complete player at that point. neither MJ till 98-90's.

[pauk]

No, the real secret is keep shooting at least 25-30 FGA.... even when you shoot bad and lose games, you will at least still have your PPG intact...

The ruthless competitor Bird sure was a ruthless competitor, he is my favorite player of all time but to be fair even he (just like Jordan) had his bad games/series in the playoffs, even in Finals like example the back-to-back 8 point games (Finals which Celtics won anyways and Maxwell became the FMVP)...

[played0ut]

No, the real secret is keep shooting at least 25-30 FGA.... even when you shoot bad, you will at least still have your PPG intact...


I can't tell if you're being serious or not.

If your shot isn't falling you should try to impact the game in other ways, through rebounding or assists (unless the other scorers are even worse than you).


Keeping the FGA's up isn't going to help you not choke, especially if you turn timid and start feeling the pressure. When you're not pressured and are feeling it your body gets into a rhythm-- muscle memory, if you will. If you're unused to pressure it would literally affect you physiologically-- it would literally affect your usual shooting mechanics.

You keep chucking while your mind is folding and you'll end up like Harden in this playoffs, or Lebron in the first few final games last year, amongst others.

Once you're used to the feeling by practicing under pressure like MJ said, even the clutchest moments would be routine, like getting out of bed in the morning.

[pauk]

Can you also please define "never choke in clutch"? Because even MJ had many scenarios like this in the clutch during any stage like example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=htSWwyrxUIA#t=533

[chazzy]

maybe even 2008
..no

[3LiftHeatCurse]

and the celtics

So Jordan choked when he dropped 63 on the best defensive team in the league, and one of the best of all time, in the playoffs?

I think that 63 pts in a playoff game is still the record to today.

Losing is not the same as choking.

[poido123]

Trolls, go forth and multiply! :oldlol:

[riseagainst]

lebron choked many times.