2-5

[Mr. Jabbar]

is brans finals record if the spurs wins, how would you rate this from wilt to 10?

[Kblaze8855]

The 2 is all that matters. The league is 70 years old and nobody ranked people by finals losses till like...2012. And Even then it was only on the internet among people under 20 and fans like you joking about it.

Nobody is gonna give 2 shits if a guy loses 3-4 times in the finals if he has multiple rings to go with it.

Its how many times you win. Always has been. And even that is a joke much of the time.

[Mr. Jabbar]

The 2 is all that matters. The league is 70 years old and nobody ranked people by finals losses till like...2012. And Even then it was only on the internet among people under 20 and fans like you joking about it.

Nobody is gonna give 2 shits if a guy loses 3-4 times in the finals if he has multiple rings to go with it.

Its how many times you win. Always has been. And even that is a joke much of the time.

i dont know, jordan gets a lot of praise for being 6/6 and rightfully so

[GeeWiz]

I would judge LeBrons success once his stint is done in Miami, as the goal was to win championships there, Cleveland shouldnt be a negative on his career.

Assuming he loses to the Spurs, he made 4 finals and won two of them, is that a success based on the expectations?

Thats up for discussion.

[dude77]

you mean 2/5 or 2-3

[Kblaze8855]

If he were 6-7 he would be ranked exactly where he is now...only having had a better career assuming the extra finals was an unlikely early trip to the finals his team shouldnt have been able to make.

[BlkMambaGOAT]

Would you rather have a player with
11 rings out of 13 attempts

or a player with 6 rings out of 6 attempts?:confusedshrug:

[Rondo]

Would you rather have a player with
11 rings out of 13 attempts

or a player with 6 rings out of 6 attempts?:confusedshrug:

11 rings, of course.

[russwest0]

Would you rather have a player with
11 rings out of 13 attempts

or a player with 6 rings out of 6 attempts?:confusedshrug:

ah, the classic question of efficient vs dominant.

interesting, in this context lebron appears to be neither efficient nor dominant.

[Mr. Jabbar]

finals appearances/L are cool and all but we gotta be careful not to give em too much credit from nowadays east

[BlkMambaGOAT]

ah, the classic question of efficient vs dominant.

interesting, in this context lebron appears to be neither efficient nor dominant.
Exactly, basing effectiveness as a player on efficiency is like saying Perkins>>>>>>>>>Kobe.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Would you rather have a player with
11 rings out of 13 attempts

or a player with 6 rings out of 6 attempts?:confusedshrug:

I understand why you chose those numbers, but that's an even comparison. 11 is almost double 6 and 11 out of 13 is still a ridiculous Finals win percentage.

[BlazerRed]

I give it a 4/10 (doubled both figures).

[RoundMoundOfReb]

2/5* or 2-3*

[Kblaze8855]

Id like to add for the record...Russell is 11-12 and in the one loss he had a broken ankle.

[BlazerRed]

Id like to add for the record...Russell is 11-12 and in the one loss he had a broken ankle.
And Jordan is 6/6 :applause:

[Mr. Incredible]

OP isn't that bright.

[Droid101]

Nobody started counting Finals losses until 2008 when Kobe lost his second. That's when the branstans went into overdrive about Finals losses.

Now that it might turn around and bite them in the ass, they're backtracking and saying it doesn't matter.

Making the Finals at all is a big deal. I don't think losing in them tarnishes your legacy at all.

[Rondo]

And Jordan is 6/6 :applause:

Russell must be inconsolable.

[atljonesbro]

Nobody started counting Finals losses until 2008 when Kobe lost his second. That's when the branstans went into overdrive about Finals losses.

Now that it might turn around and bite them in the ass, they're backtracking and saying it doesn't matter.

Making the Finals at all is a big deal. I don't think losing in them tarnishes your legacy at all.
I agree. People on this forum think it's better off to not make the finals at all :facepalm

[DStebb716]

People clearly don't understand records. It'd be 2-3...

[navy]

Nobody started counting Finals losses until 2008 when Kobe lost his second. That's when the branstans went into overdrive about Finals losses.

Now that it might turn around and bite them in the ass, they're backtracking and saying it doesn't matter.

Making the Finals at all is a big deal. I don't think losing in them tarnishes your legacy at all.
False. In 2008 Lebron had no rings and a finals loss. No one would ever say that Finals losses matter besides Jordan stans so they can prop up 6/6.

[Hey Yo]

is brans finals record if the spurs wins, how would you rate this from wilt to 10?
If the Heat lose this year, LeBrons record will be 2-2 in the Finals as the leader

[SuperPippen]

Nobody started counting Finals losses until 2008 when Kobe lost his second. That's when the branstans went into overdrive about Finals losses.

Now that it might turn around and bite them in the ass, they're backtracking and saying it doesn't matter.

Making the Finals at all is a big deal. I don't think losing in them tarnishes your legacy at all.


This macro-analysis has got to stop. Some players' legacies are tarnished through Finals's losses. Some aren't. It depends on what ACTUALLY HAPPENED during the Finals in question. People like you need to stop ignoring the details.

Players do very well deserve to have their legacies tainted if they lose a Finals in large part because of poor play, like Kobe did in 2004 and 2008, and Lebron did in 2011, and to a lesser extent in 2007.

[ZeN]

Nobody started counting Finals losses until 2008 when Kobe lost his second. That's when the branstans went into overdrive about Finals losses.

Now that it might turn around and bite them in the ass, they're backtracking and saying it doesn't matter.

Making the Finals at all is a big deal. I don't think losing in them tarnishes your legacy at all.
This.

When only two teams make the finals each year, just getting there is a valid positive.

[Mr. Jabbar]

I don't think losing in them tarnishes your legacy at all.

unless you pull a 2011 bran

[ZeN]

and 2008, and Lebron did in 2011, and to a lesser extent in 2007.

2007, why to a lesser extent? Because he had a less than admirable supporting cast and was facing a superior team in the Spurs?

It's either a pass for Bron or an admission of the fact that just getting there for that team was a considerable positive. He was inexperienced and unable to dominate as in his prime. No one faults him for that, as they shouldn't.

[raprap]

It wont really matter. As long as he does not pull a 2011.

[russwest0]

2007, why to a lesser extent? Because he had a less than admirable supporting cast and was facing a superior team in the Spurs?

It's either a pass for Bron or an admission of the fact that just getting there for that team was a considerable positive. He was inexperienced and unable to dominate as in his prime. No one faults him for that, as they shouldn't.

getting there was a positive, sure, but the dude played like shit when they got there

[ZeN]

getting there was a positive, sure, but the dude played like shit when they got there
So the question is why do somet give him more of a pass in that situation?

[coin24]

Bran never dominates in the finals and if they lose this year he'll be 2/5.
2/4 after the big collusion. Pathetic.

2007: got destroyed and was a no show. Blame it on his team I guess.
2011: single handedly blew the series, worst choke job of all time
2012: played ok, big helping hand from refs though
2013: was pulling a 2011 again even from his stans opinions. Finally showed life in game 6 but saved by ray Allen. Game 7 was good though.
2014: prob lose

Sorry but Kobe is 5/7 and Jordan 6/6.
Don't compare beta baby d.ick bran to these big d.ick alphas:no:

[moe94]

Bran never dominates in the finals and if they lose this year he'll be 2/5.
2/4 after the big collusion. Pathetic.

2007: got destroyed and was a no show. Blame it on his team I guess.
2011: single handedly blew the series, worst choke job of all time
2012: played ok, big helping hand from refs though
2013: was pulling a 2011 again even from his stans opinions. Finally showed life in game 6 but saved by ray Allen. Game 7 was good though.
2014: prob lose

Sorry but Kobe is 5/7 and Jordan 6/6.
Don't compare beta baby d.ick bran to these big d.ick alphas:no:

Kobe's Finals stats are actually worse than LeBron's.

[Kevin_Garnett_5]

Edit: Just realized it was 2/5 and not 2-5 like the title says.

The fact that he's been to the Finals that many times in an 11 year career is impressive enough

[coin24]

Kobe's Finals stats are actually worse than LeBron's.

Kobe doesn't get left wide open and dared to shoot.:lol

[dubeta]

Then Bran would drop to only 3 spots ahead of kobe all time :bowdown:

[pauk]

Looks like Kobe's FMVP ratio....

[GimmeThat]

I raise your 6/6 argument with

6/13 6 rings out of 13 seasons played (this is not counting his Wiz days, cus I'm a nice guy like that)

to

11/13 by Russell


Lebron stands at 2/11 right now, possibly 3/11

if we count Jordan's 2 seasons with the Wizard
and the Lebron's realistic chance at exceeding more than just 6 rings.

Would lets say
7/17
be more impressive than
6/15

Who cares about 6/6 when there are years you don't even make it to the finals

Go ask Jordan that question.

[GeeWiz]

Looks like Kobe's FMVP ratio....

Wasn't one of your threads hijacked with a statement similar statement but in regards to LeBron??? Just trying to remember

[Mr. Jabbar]

Wasn't one of your threads hijacked with a statement similar statement but in regards to LeBron??? Just trying to remember

:oldlol:

"looks like lebrons finals 4th qtr ppg"