Is Pau Gasol a Hall of famer without his fiba spanish titles?

[kennethgriffin]

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[fpliii]

Yeah (maybe slightly biased since he played for us). Would've been nice if he gave us a fourth good year though, 2011 playoffs were brutal. :facepalm

[Im Still Ballin]

yes.

agenda spotted. get ****ed fakkit

[kennethgriffin]

i vote NO

why? theres a sh*t ton of guys with more all nba teams and allstar games with the same career average or better that arent in the hall of fame

and i only count championships if a guy is a defensive anchor, epic rebounder, scores over 20ppg, or is the main playmaker in the regular season and playoffs

gasol is none of these things

[robert de niro]

yes

[Smook A.]

Yes he's definitely a Hall of Famer.

He has enough accomplishments and he's played like an all-star every year since entering the league. The last 2 years for him have been bad but that doesn't mean he shouldn't make it.

[navy]

Dude beat kobe bryant in winshares. HOF bruh

[Lebronxrings]

most underrated player in history of the nba. He is a top 10 PF, who helped lead the lakers to ringz.

[LeBron 06]

without Gasol,no titles for the lakers in 2009 and 2010....

[kennethgriffin]

Yes he's definitely not a Hall of Famer.

He has enough accomplishments and he's played like an all-star 4 times since entering the league. The last 4 years for him have been bad but that doesn't mean he shouldn't make it. the fact that theres probably 40 guys not in the hall of fame with better resumes is..... 0 for 16 as leader in the playoffs shows his true value. and the only reason people want him in th e hall of fame is because they dont want kobe to be the only guy with multiple titles and no HOF sidekick











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[SwayDizzle]

Gasolina's peak is worthy of entry

[Clyde]

yes

[kennethgriffin]

without Gasol,no titles for the lakers in 2009 and 2010....


so.. without horry. no titles for a few teams. doesnt make him a hofer

some guys are key to winning a title here and there... but thats just part of the job


IMO a hof'er must have atleast

8-10 allstar games

6-7 all nba teams with atleast multiple a 1st or multiple 2nd teams

have an impact as leader ( if given the opportunity )

be a great scorer, or a great play maker, or a great rebounder, or a great defender




GASOL IS NONE OF THESE THINGS

[Im Still Ballin]

so.. without horry. no titles for a few teams. doesnt make him a hofer

some guys are key to winning a title here and there... but thats just part of the job


IMO a hof'er must have atleast

8-10 allstar games

6-7 all nba teams with atleast multiple a 1st or multiple 2nd teams

have an impact as leader ( if given the opportunity )

be a great scorer, or a great play maker, or a great rebounder, or a great defender




GASOL IS NONE OF THESE THINGS
Gasol has a FMVP though

[kennethgriffin]

gasol better send kobe a thankyou card in the mail if he should ever luck out a HOF nomination


if not for the hate for kobe around the world. nobody would think twice about gasol

:lol

[kennethgriffin]

Gasol has a FMVP though

ya and kobe has a world series mvp

[dubeta]

Basically put the Lakers on his back to win 2 championships in 2009 and 2010

He is in the Hakeem Olajuwon level of back to back championships with a mediocre suporting cast

Heck if those FMVP's werent stolen from him he would be Top 25 all time.

Greatest Laker of this generation :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Kblaze8855]

Gasol is going to the hall of fame and he wont be the least accomplished players there by a long long long shot. You really need to make this topic again?

Also...one sign of someone not actually interested in the subject matter as much as furthering an agenda(Ive come to hate that word) is actually asking people not to explain themselves. Not that it was needed to see why you would make such a topic.

[kennethgriffin]

Basically put the Lakers on his back to win 2 championships in 2009 and 2010

He is in the Hakeem Olajuwon level of back to back championships with a mediocre suporting cast

Heck if those FMVP's werent stolen from him he would be Top 25 all time.

Greatest Laker of this generation :bowdown: :bowdown:


nobody stole kobes finals mvps

:biggums:

[LeBron 06]

so.. without horry. no titles for a few teams. doesnt make him a hofer

some guys are key to winning a title here and there... but thats just part of the job


IMO a hof'er must have atleast

8-10 allstar games

6-7 all nba teams with atleast multiple a 1st or multiple 2nd teams

have an impact as leader ( if given the opportunity )

be a great scorer, or a great play maker, or a great rebounder, or a great defender




GASOL IS NONE OF THESE THINGS


Horry was never an all-star

The lakers were one of the best team in rebounds for several years with Gasol....When Gasol began his decline in the 2011 playoffs, the Lakers were never the same after

[kennethgriffin]

4 time reserve allstar, a few third team all nbas = no hall of fame


i said without his glorious fiba spanish titles...


i'm not asking if you guys think a guy should be hall of fame out of spite for kobe


i'm asking


is gasols resume HOF material?

if if it is... whos isnt LOL


the baseball HOF is so much more prestigious. they actuall care who gets in lol

[ArbitraryWater]

yes..

so everyone said yes so far?

gtfoh op

[LeBron 06]

4 time reserve allstar, a few third team all nbas = no hall of fame


i said without his glorious fiba spanish titles...


i'm not asking if you guys think a guy should be hall of fame out of spite for kobe


i'm asking


is gasols resume HOF material?

if if it is... whos isnt LOL


the baseball HOF is so much more prestigious. they actuall care who gets in lol


Of course, Gasol was not a starting all-star, since Garnett, Duncan, Dirk was in the west....And secondly, sometimes the starting all-star is a popularity contest


Nobody will tell me that Kobe deserved to be an all-star in 2014, same thing for Iverson, Ming or McGrady in 2010 or 2011

[kennethgriffin]

Of course, Gasol was not a starting all-star, since Garnett, Duncan, Dirk was in the west....And secondly, sometimes the starting all-star is a popularity contest


Nobody will tell me that Kobe deserved to be an all-star in 2014, same thing for Iverson, Ming or McGrady in 2010 or 2011


still.. he lacks credentials... nobody would go into a doctors office and wanna schedule an operation if all he had was a highschool diploma or G.E.D hanging on the wall


gasol has less accomplishments individually than penny hardaway

[LeBron 06]

still.. he lacks credentials... nobody would go into a doctors office and wanna schedule an operation if all he had was a highschool diploma or G.E.D hanging on the wall


gasol has less accomplishments individually than penny hardaway



C'mon man

[kennethgriffin]

C'mon man





Penny Hardaway

1992-93 NCAA AP All-America (1st)
1993-94 NBA All-Rookie (1st)
1994-95 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1995-96 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1996-97 NBA All-NBA (3rd)

All-Star Games
1995 NBA
1996 NBA
1997 NBA
1998 NBA

3 times over 20ppg




Pau Gasol


2001-02 NBA All-Rookie (1st)
2008-09 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2009-10 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2010-11 NBA All-NBA (2nd)

All-Star Games
2006 NBA
2009 NBA
2010 NBA
2011 NBA

2 times over 20ppg

[LeBron 06]

Penny Hardaway

1992-93 NCAA AP All-America (1st)
1993-94 NBA All-Rookie (1st)
1994-95 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1995-96 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1996-97 NBA All-NBA (3rd)

All-Star Games
1995 NBA
1996 NBA
1997 NBA
1998 NBA

3 times over 20ppg




Pau Gasol


2001-02 NBA All-Rookie (1st)
2008-09 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2009-10 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2010-11 NBA All-NBA (2nd)

All-Star Games
2006 NBA
2009 NBA
2010 NBA
2011 NBA

2 times over 20ppg





Penny was not the same player after than Shaq leave Orlando

Gasol was very good in Memphis.....

[6 for 24]

Kenneth:

I see what you are trying to do here, and, as a fellow Kobe "stan", I am here to tell you that it is totally unnecessary. One needn't downgrade Pau Gasol in order to elevate the great Kobe Bean! In fact, I would argue just the opposite.

As we both know, basketball is an individual sport, like track & field or tennis. In the end, the goal is to put up as many shots as possible in the allotted time period. However, this isn't so simple as it may sound. Unlike those parlor games like "pop a shot", the NBA introduces many obstacles to make the contest more interesting. To hoist baskets, the player has to overcome the other 9 players on the court. Now consider how many great players Kobe has had as teammates-- players like Pau who surely desired the ball themselves. And yet, through this, Kobe was able to consistently lead the league in PER (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=324201)

[kennethgriffin]

Penny was not the same player after than Shaq leave Orlando

Gasol was very good in Memphis.....


i bet penny without shaq has a better playoff record than 0-16

and penny has 2 allstar games without shaq. gasol has 1 without kobe

[Hizack]

Pau Gasol is a lock for the HOF.

How many players with 2 championships, 4 all-star selections and 3 all-nba teams selections are still not yet in the HOF?
(excluding active players and ex-players retired for less than 5 years)

[kennethgriffin]

Pau Gasol is a lock for the HOF.

How many players with 2 championships, 4 all-star selections and 3 all-nba teams selections are still not yet in the HOF?
(excluding active players and ex-players retired for less than 5 years)


probly a shit ton

lol

[LeBron 06]

i bet penny without shaq has a better playoff record than 0-16

and penny has 2 allstar games without shaq. gasol has 1 without kobe



Basketball is a team sport, not an individual sport

Gasol was a better player without Kobe than Penny was without Shaq and it's not even close

[LeBron 06]

probly a shit ton

lol


Name me 5 players

[kennethgriffin]

Basketball is a team sport, not an individual sport

Gasol was a better player without Kobe than Penny was without Shaq and it's not even close


i'l take 96-97 penny over any version of grizzlies gasol

[GODbe]

He has 0 chance of making the hall of fame regardless.

[kennethgriffin]

Name me 5 players





dunno about titles.. but these guys have 4 allstar games and 3 all nba's and arent HOF


Ralph Simpson
Larry Jones
Jimmy Jones
Marques Johnson
Anfernee Hardaway

[LeBron 06]

dunno about titles.. but these guys have 4 allstar games and 3 all nba's and arent HOF


Ralph Simpson
Larry Jones
Jimmy Jones
Marques Johnson
Anfernee Hardaway



So Gasol is a NBA HOF....4 all-stars,3 all nba's and 2 titles=HOF!

[kennethgriffin]

So Gasol is a NBA HOF....4 all-stars,3 all nba's and 2 titles=HOF!


i guess titles any way you win them + a few allstar games = HOF lol

:lol :roll: :oldlol:

i stand corrected... NBA HOF = EASIEST HOF EVER TO MAKE


while guys like roger maris ( 7 time allstar, 61 homerun season, 2 time mvp, 3 time champion ) cant get in the baseball HOF LOL


:cheers: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[iznogood]

[QUOTE=6 for 24]Kenneth:

I see what you are trying to do here, and, as a fellow Kobe "stan", I am here to tell you that it is totally unnecessary. One needn't downgrade Pau Gasol in order to elevate the great Kobe Bean! In fact, I would argue just the opposite.

As we both know, basketball is an individual sport, like track & field or tennis. In the end, the goal is to put up as many shots as possible in the allotted time period. However, this isn't so simple as it may sound. Unlike those parlor games like "pop a shot", the NBA introduces many obstacles to make the contest more interesting. To hoist baskets, the player has to overcome the other 9 players on the court. Now consider how many great players Kobe has had as teammates-- players like Pau who surely desired the ball themselves. And yet, through this, Kobe was able to consistently lead the league in PER (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=324201)

[Unbiased_one]

[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]4

[BoutPractice]

No, but let's not act like these "Fiba spanish titltes" were nothing. They're great achievements, worthy of the highest praise.

[HurricaneKid]

so.. without horry. no titles for a few teams. doesnt make him a hofer

some guys are key to winning a title here and there... but thats just part of the job


IMO a hof'er must have atleast

8-10 allstar games

6-7 all nba teams with atleast multiple a 1st or multiple 2nd teams

have an impact as leader ( if given the opportunity )

be a great scorer, or a great play maker, or a great rebounder, or a great defender




GASOL IS NONE OF THESE THINGS

Of COURSE.


You do realize the HoF is FAR more inclusive than this right?

Also, ASG? WTF cares? Thats a popularity contest. He did all the dirty work. He outplayed HoF Dwight Howard in 09, led the Lakers in Reg season, Postseason, and Finals WS in 2010. Thats 1A/1B stuff. If you are going to give Kobe credit for the first threepeat you have to give Gasol credit for those two Championships.

[6 for 24]

Dear Sir,
would you be so kind as to once again post the link to the excellent youtube video showing mr. Bryant's exquisite shot selection and his ability to make those difficult shots?

Best regards

Absolutely! Here it is: http://youtu.be/QZbgoC6MiSM

Look at how well Kobe dictates the offense even with future HOFer Pau Gasol demanding the ball time and time again!

[iznogood]

Absolutely! Here it is: http://youtu.be/QZbgoC6MiSM

Look at how well Kobe dictates the offense even with future HOFer Pau Gasol demanding the ball time and time again!
Thank you very much, this is one of my favourite videos on the web. The song you chose is very appropriate as well. Our god is without a doubt truly the greatest!

[navy]

[QUOTE=6 for 24]Kenneth:

I see what you are trying to do here, and, as a fellow Kobe "stan", I am here to tell you that it is totally unnecessary. One needn't downgrade Pau Gasol in order to elevate the great Kobe Bean! In fact, I would argue just the opposite.

As we both know, basketball is an individual sport, like track & field or tennis. In the end, the goal is to put up as many shots as possible in the allotted time period. However, this isn't so simple as it may sound. Unlike those parlor games like "pop a shot", the NBA introduces many obstacles to make the contest more interesting. To hoist baskets, the player has to overcome the other 9 players on the court. Now consider how many great players Kobe has had as teammates-- players like Pau who surely desired the ball themselves. And yet, through this, Kobe was able to consistently lead the league in PER (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=324201)

[jaybee682]

IMO Nope. But in this Basketball HOF he would probably make it.

[jstern]

Yeah (maybe slightly biased since he played for us). Would've been nice if he gave us a fourth good year though, 2011 playoffs were brutal. :facepalm

I haven't read this thread, but somehow I'm expecting the exact opposite from "Laker fans."

[stalkerforlife]

Yes.

In large part due to KOBE BRYANT.

[jzek]

Without a doubt. http://i.imgur.com/f3sWTiP.gif (http://www.mcc.commnet.edu/redirect.php?url=http://blogerr.net)