Tim Duncan top 5 GOAT possible?

[Kiddlovesnets]

Since the Spurs are winning the trophy, the real question is whether Duncan, Parker, Ginobili or even Green wins FMVP. Assuming Duncan wins it, do you think hes considered a top 5 GOAT? Or is it too much to surpass legends like Bird and Magic?

[NBASTATMAN]

Since the Spurs are winning the trophy, the real question is whether Duncan, Parker, Ginobili or even Green wins FMVP. Assuming Duncan wins it, do you think hes considered a top 5 GOAT? Or is it too much to surpass legends like Bird and Magic?



I can't put him in the top 5 cuz he played in one of the weakest eras for bigs ever.. But he will be the best in his generation without a doubt.. :rockon:

[T_L_P]

I can't put him in the top 5 cuz he played in one of the weakest eras for bigs ever.. But he will be the best in his generation without a doubt.. :rockon:

Prime Shaq, Dirk, Garnett every year is weak? Or do you just mean this one potential ring?

[RichieW]

I can't put him in the top 5 cuz he played in one of the weakest eras for bigs ever.. But he will be the best in his generation without a doubt.. :rockon:

Shaq, Dirk, Garnett make a weak era?

[Milbuck]

If Tim Duncan wins, I don't understand how you could rank Bird ahead of him. I'd have him in my top 5.

MJ
Kareem
Russell
Magic
Duncan

If he wins FMVP and plays exceptional throughout the series, you could argue he's ahead of Magic. The top 3 is out of the question as far as this season is concerned.

[stalkerforlife]

I can see Duncan being top 5.

[atljonesbro]

Easily top 5. The only thing that would hold him back is nostalgia of older players.

[Kiddlovesnets]

If Tim Duncan wins, I don't understand how you could rank Bird ahead of him. I'd have him in my top 5.

MJ
Kareem
Russell
Magic
Duncan

If he wins FMVP and plays exceptional throughout the series, you could argue he's ahead of Magic. The top 3 is out of the question as far as this season is concerned.

Id replace Russell by Wilt, but overall good list.

[Roundball_Rock]

He would have no case over:

Kareem
Wilt
Jordan
Russell


He would have only a weak case over:

Shaq
Magic
Bird

[Cocaine80s]

inb4 kennethgriffin

[T_L_P]

He would have no case over:

Kareem
Wilt
Jordan
Russell


He would have only a weak case over:

Shaq
Magic
Bird

More MVPs and rings than Shaq, potentially more Finals MVPs, at least 4 won as the best player on his team, and yet he'd have only a weak case?

[joeyjoejoe]

If he wins fmvp I think he has a very good case for top 5

[Roundball_Rock]

More MVPs and rings than Shaq, potentially more Finals MVPs, at least 4 won as the best player on his team, and yet he'd have only a weak case?

Fair points. It should be noted it would be only 1 more ring and 1 more MVP--and Shaq had a much better peak but the additional accolades and the superior longevity would give him a case.

As a note, I have Shaq in my top 5 all-time so my view of Shaq is higher than the general view on ISH.

[kennethgriffin]

this team is like the 2004 pistons in terms of depth and equality

its manu and parker who drive the car anyway

if duncan won finals mvp averaging 15 points i wouldnt be impressed


i say he moves past shaq. thats about it... top 6-7 behind kobe

[T_L_P]

Fair points. It should be noted it would be only 1 more ring and 1 more MVP--and Shaq had a much better peak but the additional accolades and the superior longevity would give him a case.

As a note, I have Shaq in my top 5 all-time so my view of Shaq is higher than the general view on ISH.

Yeah, I'm not saying Duncan would automatically be ahead of Shaq (though I do already, and I have Duncan in my top 5), the two are almost inseparable.

Duncan's peak, for me, is right up there with Shaq's though. Shaq's 2000 title run and Duncan's 2003 title run are easily among the five greatest ever. :cheers:

[Roundball_Rock]

Indeed. The truth is when you get to players of that caliber--the 10 best out of the thousands who have played in six decades--there is not much of a gap between them. You could argue a certain player as #3 while another person could make a perfectly legitimate case for that player being #8.

[T_L_P]

this team is like the 2004 pistons in terms of depth and equality

its manu and parker who drive the car anyway

if duncan won finals mvp averaging 15 points i wouldnt be impressed


i say he moves past shaq. thats about it... top 6-7 behind kobe

Duncan: leading the team in PER, WS, WS/48, last in Turnover %, second in scoring, first in rebounding, 5th in assists, 1st in blocks.

Yeah, Manu and Tony really are the ones who lead this team. I agree that it's like the Pistons though, but Duncan is still the best. most consistent player and the leader.

[LeBird]

Love Timmy, but he just isn't in the GOAT debate for me. Right under it, in the Shaq, Hakeem, etc, tier.

[kennethgriffin]

Duncan: leading the team in PER, WS, WS/48, last in Turnover %, second in scoring, first in rebounding, 5th in assists, 1st in blocks.

Yeah, Manu and Tony really are the ones who lead this team. I agree that it's like the Pistons though, but Duncan is still the best. most consistent player and the leader.


manu and parker are the play makers and make up more of a scoring percentage. do more things than duncan

without those 2 guys duncan would be lost

all duncans doing right now is taking advantage of being defended by batter,bosh

hes hitting gimmys

watch the games dude ... jesus you're more biased than i am for god sake


i had no idea there were hardcore duncan fans out there like this lol

manu and parker are the engine and drive the car.... duncans the bumper lol

[tpols]

He's top 5 already.. Bird has no case gets smoked in longevity. Magic is arguable because of longevity.. Kobe and Shaq are behind. Hakeem is clearly behind as he didnt do shit outside of a two years stretch.

[T_L_P]

manu and parker are the play makers and make up more of a scoring percentage. do more things than duncan

without those 2 guys duncan would be lost

all duncans doing right now is taking advantage of being defended by batter,bosh

hes hitting gimmys

watch the games dude ... jesus you're more biased than i am for god sake


i had no idea there were hardcore duncan fans out there like this lol

manu and parker are the engine and drive the car.... duncans the bumper lol

So, the guys who run the offense are the guys who are the best players?

You see how stupid that sounds? I can give you Manu in the last series and even tonight, but if you think what Parker has done over the last 7 games is more important than what Duncan has done, you're a complete idiot. Parker is having a historically poor Playoff run. :facepalm

[Cocaine80s]

Duncan>>> Kobe

deal with it kenneth

[kennethgriffin]

So, the guys who run the offense are the guys who are the best players?

You see how stupid that sounds? I can give you Manu in the last series and even tonight, but if you think what Parker has done over the last 7 games is more important than what Duncan has done, you're a complete idiot. Parker is having a historically poor Playoff run. :facepalm

man give it a rest

hes 40 and isnt even 3rd team all nba.. hes averaging 15ppg in the playoffs and manu just dropped a double double and splashed a ton of 3's while duncan hit a few wide open layups over shane battier

the last time duncan won a finals mvp kobe and shaq just split up the year before.. and even then manu averaged more ppg in the 4 spurs victories in 2005

[T_L_P]

man give it a rest

hes 40 and isnt even 3rd team all nba.. hes averaging 15ppg in the playoffs and manu just dropped a double double and splashed a ton of 3's while duncan hit a few wide open layups over shane battier

Regular season means shit in the Playoffs. He's averaging 17 PPG on just 32 minutes (hardly anything to scoff at), and he still anchors the defense.

It's funny how it's easy layups for Tim but not for any other player in the league. Maybe it's because he sets some of the best screens in the league and anticipates passes like no other. :rolleyes:

[kennethgriffin]

Duncan>>> Kobe

deal with it kenneth
all time record 11 time 1st team all nba

all time record 9 time 1st team all defense

all time record most consecutive allstar games

all time record 12 three pointers in one game

all time record most 50+ win teams beatin in playoffs by a HOF'r ( 24 )

all time record most game winning shots

2nd most points scored in a game

4th all time in regular season points

3rd all time in playoff points

2000 nba champion ( 21/5/5 playoff average )

2001 nba champion ( 30/7/6 playoff average )

2002 nba champion ( 27/6/5 playoff average )

2009 nba champion ( 30/6/5 playoff average )

2010 nba champion ( 30/6/5 playoff average )

2009 nba finals mvp

2010 nba finals mvp

2008 nba mvp

2002 nba allstar game mvp

2007 nba allstar game mvp

2009 nba allstar game mvp

2010 nba allstar game mvp

career 28ppg average as starter ( 25/5/5 career )

4 straight 50 point games

only player to outscore another team by himself

[Cocaine80s]

all time record 11 time 1st team all nba

all time record 9 time 1st team all defense

all time record most consecutive allstar games

all time record 12 three pointers in one game

all time record most 50+ win teams beatin in playoffs by a HOF'r ( 24 )

all time record most game winning shots

2nd most points scored in a game

4th all time in regular season points

3rd all time in playoff points

2000 nba champion ( 21/5/5 playoff average )

2001 nba champion ( 30/7/6 playoff average )

2002 nba champion ( 27/6/5 playoff average )

2009 nba champion ( 30/6/5 playoff average )

2010 nba champion ( 30/6/5 playoff average )

2009 nba finals mvp

2010 nba finals mvp

2008 nba mvp

2002 nba allstar game mvp

2007 nba allstar game mvp

2009 nba allstar game mvp

2010 nba allstar game mvp

career 28ppg average as starter ( 25/5/5 career )

4 straight 50 point games

only player to outscore another team by himself

didnt read

[kennethgriffin]

Regular season means shit in the Playoffs. He's averaging 17 PPG on just 32 minutes (hardly anything to scoff at), and he still anchors the defense.

It's funny how it's easy layups for Tim but not for any other player in the league. Maybe it's because he sets some of the best screens in the league and anticipates passes like no other. :rolleyes:


duncans averaging 16.5 in 32.6 minutes

kobe averaged 15.4 in 26.0 minutes back when he was a 19 year old 6th man


if it wasnt for duncans legendary defense ( that isnt even 1st or 2nd team anyway ) against the worst crop of big men in nba history ... i wouldnt know what to say about his impact


other than... its mediocre

its an all around team. tims just one piece of the puzzle


give it a rest......... its over........ tims not the player he once was. hes still good. but not great

[tpols]

duncans averaging 16.5 in 32.6 minutes

kobe averaged 15.4 in 26.0 minutes back when he was a 19 year old 6th man


if it wasnt for duncans legendary defense ( that isnt even 1st or 2nd team anyway ) against the worst crop of big men in nba history ... i wouldnt know what to say about his impact


other than... its mediocre

its an all around team. tims just one piece of the puzzle


give it a rest......... its over........ tims not the player he once was. hes still good. but not great

Be real though.. if kobe was givin similar impact to uncle duncan right now, say 24/5/5 w/ poorer defense but more scoring, you'd give kobe full props for a title.. especially if he won the fmvp.

[Real14]

TOP 50, definitely not 5. Spurs not winning by tha way.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

He's top 5 already.. Bird has no case gets smoked in longevity. Magic is arguable because of longevity.. Kobe and Shaq are behind. Hakeem is clearly behind as he didnt do shit outside of a two years stretch.

You ain't neva tol' a lie.

:cheers:

[D-Wade316]

He's top 5 already.. Bird has no case gets smoked in longevity. Magic is arguable because of longevity.. Kobe and Shaq are behind. Hakeem is clearly behind as he didnt do shit outside of a two years stretch.
Shaq is not behind. I think TD, Shaq, and Wilt could be placed over each other and I wouldn't have no complain. He's over Magic that's for sure. Better prime, longer career. I agree with Bird being behind. His peak was better too. Hakeem is way way behind. Him and Duncan shouldn't even be a debate. :lol

Right now this is how i feel:
1. Russell
2. Jordan
3. Kareem
4. Shaq
5. Wilt
6. Duncan

I could place him as high as #4.

[tpols]

Shaq is not behind. I think TD, Shaq, and Wilt could be placed over each other and I wouldn't have no complain. He's over Magic that's for sure. Better prime, longer career. I agree with Bird being behind. His peak was better too. Hakeem is way way behind. Him and Duncan shouldn't even be a debate. :lol

Right now this is how i feel:
1. Russell
2. Jordan
3. Kareem
4. Shaq
5. Wilt
6. Duncan

I could place him as high as #4.

I agree with 4.. bu shaq and wilt have no case as winners or leaders.. shaq wouldnt play if he wasnt being fed and didnt have half the late career leadership duncan had.

[D-Wade316]

I agree with 4.. bu shaq and wilt have no case as winners or leaders.. shaq wouldnt play if he wasnt being fed and didnt have half the late career leadership duncan had.
Yeah they don't match Duncan in terms of leadership but at their peak and prime both were better than Duncan. So that equalizes the three IMO. Right now that's just how I feel. :cheers:

[tpols]

Yeah they don't match Duncan in terms of leadership but at their peak and prime both were better than Duncan. So that equalizes the three IMO. Right now that's just how I feel. :cheers:

true that.. you have your criteria and I have mine. Duncan may not have been as dominant at his peak but hes realll close and gives superior intangibles

[Psileas]

Unless he flat-out dominates, his subjective ranking shouldn't change, maybe unless you were already really on the fence before the Finals started. Playing fine against the Miami frontline is no big feat, regardless of whether this happens in the first round or in the Finals.

[Magic 32]

My list has been like this since 2010.


1. MJ (greatest player)
2. Russell (greatest winner)
3. Wilt (greatest individual force)
4. Kareem (greatest longevity)
5. Magic (greatest playmaker)
6. Bird (greatest basketball mind)

7. Kobe (greatest player part 2)
8. Duncan (greatest winner part 2)
9. Shaq (greatest individual force part 2)
10 Hakeem (greatest longevity part 2)
11. Lebron (greatest playmaker part 2)
12. Oscar (greatest basketball mind Part 2)

He could take Kareem's spot if he does something special in this series.

[BoutPractice]

He already is in my book, but I suppose it would become less of a fringe opinion.

Both LeBron and Duncan can make a decisive play into the top 5 with this series. They won't surpass Jordan, Kareem, Russell, etc. but they can both make a strong case over Bird and Magic.

[Springsteen]

i say he moves past shaq. thats about it... top 6-7 behind kobe

:facepalm

[DMAVS41]

He's top 5 already.. Bird has no case gets smoked in longevity. Magic is arguable because of longevity.. Kobe and Shaq are behind. Hakeem is clearly behind as he didnt do shit outside of a two years stretch.

tpols....:applause:

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Just2McFly]

Indeed. The truth is when you get to players of that caliber--the 10 best out of the thousands who have played in six decades--there is not much of a gap between them. You could argue a certain player as #3 while another person could make a perfectly legitimate case for that player being #8.
This is what I've been saying

[Legends66NBA7]

Subjective, depending who you are. I've seen some say Duncan is Top 2 and some say Duncan is not Top 10 and arguably not Top 15 either.

[DMAVS41]

At a certain point...it just becomes opinion...in my opinion...haha.

I think Duncan was objectively surpassed the likes of Shaq, Kobe, and Hakeem in terms of the all time rankings at this point no matter what happens in this series.

This type of longevity, consistency, and team first play is extremely rare. We have officially entered Kareem and Malone territory here with Duncan after these last 2 years.

If Duncan continues to play well and the Spurs win...he enters the conversation for the 2nd to 5th ranked player ever for me.

I didn't see Russell or Wilt...and I missed early and mid 70's Kareem.

So those three guys will always remain very tough to rank for me.

From players I have seen. Jordan is the only guy I for sure take over Duncan. Magic is really close...I still would probably take Magic, but Duncan's longevity has been so great at this point...I just don't know what to do. Obviously so much has changed and players play longer now...but even grading on a curve...Duncan's longevity can't be ignored.

Going into this year my GOAT list looked like this;

1. MJ
2. Russell
3. Magic
4. Duncan
5. Kareem
6. Wilt
7. Bird
8. Shaq
9. Hakeem
10. Kobe


If Duncan were to win and play like he has....especially with a finals mvp...my list would probably go to this;

1. MJ
2. Russell
3. Duncan
4. Magic
5. Kareem
6. Wilt
7. Bird
8. Shaq
9. Hakeem
10. Kobe/Lebron

I'm still not ready to put Lebron over Kobe/Hakeem/Shaq if Lebron doesn't win this year. 2 titles in 4 years isn't enough given the 11 collapse and Lebron's history of weird shit happening in crucial moments (again last night with the cramps)...

I'm not some idiot claiming he should have played, but Lebron has this pattern of weird shit happening in huge moments...and if they lose this series because of moments like that...it has to factor in.

Last night was huge. That could have been the series. Heat win that game and they are huge favorites to win the series. Now? If they lose game 2...I think they are done.

Can't wait until Sunday.

Go Spurs Go!!!!

[Jlamb47]

Mj
Kareem
Duncan
Kobe
Shaq
Magic
Bird
Hakeem
Lebron

[Magic 32]

Going into this year my GOAT list looked like this;

1. MJ
2. Russell
3. Magic
4. Duncan
5. Kareem
6. Wilt
7. Bird
8. Shaq
9. Hakeem
10. Kobe


Can't agree with Duncan over Kareem or Hakeem over Kobe. Not at this moment

[Jlamb47]

man give it a rest

hes 40 and isnt even 3rd team all nba.. hes averaging 15ppg in the playoffs and manu just dropped a double double and splashed a ton of 3's while duncan hit a few wide open layups over shane battier

the last time duncan won a finals mvp kobe and shaq just split up the year before.. and even then manu averaged more ppg in the 4 spurs victories in 2005


Duncan shot 9/10
with a double double

Duncan is our defens anchor
he has alot of responsibilities

Manu is out playmaker when Tony isnt and a good off ball player getting open shots

you trippin

[r0drig0lac]

He's top 5 already.. Bird has no case gets smoked in longevity. Magic is arguable because of longevity.. Kobe and Shaq are behind. Hakeem is clearly behind as he didnt do shit outside of a two years stretch.:applause:

[Kiddlovesnets]

this team is like the 2004 pistons in terms of depth and equality

its manu and parker who drive the car anyway

if duncan won finals mvp averaging 15 points i wouldnt be impressed


i say he moves past shaq. thats about it... top 6-7 behind kobe

lol seriously Kobe has no business in top 5, not even top 10 lmao(I have him at 12-13 atm). Duncan has always been above Kobe on all time ranking with or without the last two finals trips, its not even debatable. Stop trolling in threads irrelevant to your idol alright? Also how is Kobe above Shaq? It never happened lol.
:facepalm

[Big#50]

He already is. This is my list in order.
MJ
DUNCAN
SHAQ
LEBRON
KAJ
BIRD
MAGIC
RUSSELL
WILT
Hakeem
Lebron is also top 5 already.