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Artillery
06-06-2014, 02:32 AM
It's most likely from using a diuretic - either as a masking agent, or because of fluid retention (especially from HGH.) A lot of diuretics cause potassium loss, and THAT will make you cramp up like a bitch. If he's already running on the low side with potassium, being on an unexpectedly hot floor would really make it worse, and make it hard to get the potassium level back up quickly.

There are potassium-sparing diuretics, like spironolactone, but those are the things they are looking for in piss tests, for obvious reasons. None of the undetectable (or less detectable) masking agents that I know of are potassium sparing. Also, HGH causes fluid retention. If you take a serious amount of it, it IS going to cause you to retain fluid, and you pretty much have to take a diuretic. And, once again, the potassium-sparing ones will get your ass busted in a piss test.

I'm not saying LeBron is juicing. I don't know. But if he is, it would sure make sense that he would be taking a diuretic, and would get shit-hammered from the abnormal fluid loss tonight. It might also explain why he seems to have recurring problems with cramps. If he's not juicing, he should probably have his kidneys checked.

305Baller
06-06-2014, 02:33 AM
I think its from too many indoor games. Hes not used to the heat.

tanner892
06-06-2014, 02:34 AM
http://giant.gfycat.com/UglyTheseJackrabbit.gif

Dave3
06-06-2014, 02:34 AM
It's most likely from using a diuretic - either as a masking agent, or because of fluid retention (especially from HGH.) A lot of diuretics cause potassium loss, and THAT will make you cramp up like a bitch. If he's already running on the low side with potassium, being on an unexpectedly hot floor would really make it worse, and make it hard to get the potassium level back up quickly.

There are potassium-sparing diuretics, like spironolactone, but those are the things they are looking for in piss tests, for obvious reasons. None of the undetectable (or less detectable) masking agents that I know of are potassium sparing. Also, HGH causes fluid retention. If you take a serious amount of it, it IS going to cause you to retain fluid, and you pretty much have to take a diuretic. And, once again, the potassium-sparing ones will get your ass busted in a piss test.

I'm not saying LeBron is juicing. I don't know. But if he is, it would sure make sense that he would be taking a diuretic, and would get shit-hammered from the abnormal fluid loss tonight. It might also explain why he seems to have recurring problems with cramps. If he's not juicing, he should probably have his kidneys checked.
Why would they consider diuretics a form of juicing? And what benefit would lower blood pressure have for an athlete who already probably has a very low resting BP?

navy
06-06-2014, 02:36 AM
Who knows. Everyone's body is different.

Artillery
06-06-2014, 02:37 AM
Why would they consider diuretics a form of juicing? And what benefit would lower blood pressure have for an athlete who already probably has a very low resting BP?

Diuretics are products that help to eliminate fluid from the body. They cause a loss of water by partially paralyzing water reabsorption, i.e. the rate of urination is elevated. Powerful diuretics can increase the flow of urine to about 6 liters per day.

Diuretics include substances such as:
acetazolamide, amiloride, bumetanide, canrenone, chlorthalidone, etacrynic acid, furosemide, indapamide, metolazone, spironolactone, triamterene and thiazides such as bendroflumethiazide, chlorothiazide, hydrochlorothiazide
and other substances with a similar chemical structure or similar biological effects.

They are prohibited in and out of competition except for drosperinone which is legal. Diuretics and other masking agents are the fifth in frequency of use drug class by 6.7% of all adverse analytical findings worldwide. The most frequently used substances are furosemide and hydrochlorothiazide by about 30% of all diuretic occurrences.

Masking agents are compounds that are taken with the purpose of hiding or "masking" the presence of specific illegal drugs that are screened for doping testing. Masking agents have the potential to impair or conceal the banned substance in the urine. Diuretics can be regarded as "masking" agents due to the dilution of the urine, which results in lower levels of the banned substance being excreted from the body.

tanner892
06-06-2014, 02:37 AM
Who knows. Everyone's body is different.


especially juicers

305Baller
06-06-2014, 02:38 AM
especially juicers

http://www.johnnygoodtimes.com/juiceman.jpg

Artillery
06-06-2014, 02:38 AM
especially juicers

Basically. ESPN said Lebron has a history with cramps too.

Dave3
06-06-2014, 02:41 AM
Diuretics are products that help to eliminate fluid from the body. They cause a loss of water by partially paralyzing water reabsorption, i.e. the rate of urination is elevated. Powerful diuretics can increase the flow of urine to about 6 liters per day.

Diuretics include substances such as:
acetazolamide, amiloride, bumetanide, canrenone, chlorthalidone, etacrynic acid, furosemide, indapamide, metolazone, spironolactone, triamterene and thiazides such as bendroflumethiazide, chlorothiazide, hydrochlorothiazide
and other substances with a similar chemical structure or similar biological effects.

They are prohibited in and out of competition except for drosperinone which is legal. Diuretics and other masking agents are the fifth in frequency of use drug class by 6.7% of all adverse analytical findings worldwide. The most frequently used substances are furosemide and hydrochlorothiazide by about 30% of all diuretic occurrences.

Masking agents are compounds that are taken with the purpose of hiding or "masking" the presence of specific illegal drugs that are screened for doping testing. Masking agents have the potential to impair or conceal the banned substance in the urine. Diuretics can be regarded as "masking" agents due to the dilution of the urine, which results in lower levels of the banned substance being excreted from the body.
I'm familiar with diuretics in general, but thanks for the explanation. I guess your point is that he's doping. Got it.

Artillery
06-06-2014, 02:46 AM
I'm familiar with diuretics in general, but thanks for the explanation. I guess your point is that he's doping. Got it.

Lebron should probably lay off the HGH for the time being. No need to risk another cramp with the inconsistent air conditioning systems they have in San Antonio's arena.

J Shuttlesworth
06-06-2014, 02:47 AM
Is it even certain that the heat is the reason he cramped up?

Dave3
06-06-2014, 02:49 AM
Lebron should probably lay off the HGH for the time being. No need to risk another cramp with the inconsistent air conditioning systems they have in San Antonio's arena.
Sure. Any other unlikely hypothetical you'd like him to stop doing?

alanLA92
06-06-2014, 02:50 AM
Lebron has a history of cramping, unfortunately this time it was in a very important game 1 of the NBA Finals.

Artillery
06-06-2014, 02:51 AM
Is it even certain that the heat is the reason he cramped up?

This is what it comes down to. If it's heat-related, then there's a possibility it's related to HGH masking agents. A random cramp is also within the realms of possibility. No way to know which though.

BlazerRed
06-06-2014, 02:52 AM
He has a long history of cramping.. wouldn't surprise me at all.. we've all suspected it for years.

BigBoss
06-06-2014, 02:53 AM
The level of beta is directly correlated with dehydration and camping. It explains why he was the only person effected.

SwishSquared
06-06-2014, 03:04 AM
It's most likely from using a diuretic - either as a masking agent, or because of fluid retention (especially from HGH.) A lot of diuretics cause potassium loss, and THAT will make you cramp up like a bitch. If he's already running on the low side with potassium, being on an unexpectedly hot floor would really make it worse, and make it hard to get the potassium level back up quickly.

There are potassium-sparing diuretics, like spironolactone, but those are the things they are looking for in piss tests, for obvious reasons. None of the undetectable (or less detectable) masking agents that I know of are potassium sparing. Also, HGH causes fluid retention. If you take a serious amount of it, it IS going to cause you to retain fluid, and you pretty much have to take a diuretic. And, once again, the potassium-sparing ones will get your ass busted in a piss test.

I'm not saying LeBron is juicing. I don't know. But if he is, it would sure make sense that he would be taking a diuretic, and would get shit-hammered from the abnormal fluid loss tonight. It might also explain why he seems to have recurring problems with cramps. If he's not juicing, he should probably have his kidneys checked.
You're more knowledgeable than me pertaining to this subject, but do you think he takes potassium supplements mid-game? Shouldn't he, if he doesn't? I mean if he has a propensity to cramp (whether from other stuff he's taking, just his body type, etc.) wouldn't it make sense to boost potassium levels during most games? FWIW, Marcellus Wiley said this:

I played w/a broken toe b4, but couldn't even stand up w/cramps. Lebron's at a disadvantage in heat because of his level of lean muscle mass

pauk
06-06-2014, 03:24 AM
Lol dunno about that but he is definitely prone to cramps... there was a game where he had like 40 points and his team up by 20+ or something and he had cramps on/off... its pretty random at times... i dont get it, but he is extremly cramp prone... its like he made a deal with the devil, where cramps are part of the deal :P

Skyscraper
06-06-2014, 03:38 AM
also, testosterone (specifically dihydrotestosterone) is a cause of a receding hairline

ever wonder why we have never seen lebron's father? (in order to get an idea about familial male pattern baldness)

KungFuJoe
06-06-2014, 03:39 AM
Lebron's injury was legit but he's still a little bitch.

Asking to be carried when he was 5 feet from the bench? LOL WTF?!!?

Hop your sorry ass to the bench...you only had a cramp in ONE leg. Cramps don't hurt when you ain't doin shit on it. Not like he broke his leg.

Diegio
06-06-2014, 03:44 AM
I guess he couldn't handle the 'HEAT' :roll: :roll: :roll:

Ok, forget what i just said. :(

FKAri
06-06-2014, 04:10 AM
Sure. Any other unlikely hypothetical you'd like him to stop doing?

No at all. Very likely... and not just Lebron.

Relinquish
06-06-2014, 04:28 AM
Maybe he's just got so little body fat that his body needs more water to function fully than others do. :confusedshrug:

coin24
06-06-2014, 04:46 AM
also, testosterone (specifically dihydrotestosterone) is a cause of a receding hairline

ever wonder why we have never seen lebron's father? (in order to get an idea about familial male pattern baldness)


Male pattern baldness is from the mothers side..

Steroid use will accelerate it if you're prone to it. It doesn't cause it:cheers:

Blue&Orange
06-06-2014, 06:40 AM
It's most likely from using a diuretic - either as a masking agent, or because of fluid retention (especially from HGH.) A lot of diuretics cause potassium loss, and THAT will make you cramp up like a bitch. If he's already running on the low side with potassium, being on an unexpectedly hot floor would really make it worse, and make it hard to get the potassium level back up quickly.

There are potassium-sparing diuretics, like spironolactone, but those are the things they are looking for in piss tests, for obvious reasons. None of the undetectable (or less detectable) masking agents that I know of are potassium sparing. Also, HGH causes fluid retention. If you take a serious amount of it, it IS going to cause you to retain fluid, and you pretty much have to take a diuretic. And, once again, the potassium-sparing ones will get your ass busted in a piss test.

I'm not saying LeBron is juicing. I don't know. But if he is
Child please everyone knows he is doing it. diuretic's cause heat cramps and worse, heat strokes. Spurs should just keep the AC down. There was 15 other players that did just fine.

cltcfn2924
06-06-2014, 06:49 AM
Why would they consider diuretics a form of juicing? And what benefit would lower blood pressure have for an athlete who already probably has a very low resting BP?


Diuretics constantly move urine therefore flushing the urine. The BP loss is hardly noticeable, the potassium is a bigger problem, ergo the cramping.

sbw19
06-06-2014, 07:11 AM
A is a 260 lb muscular athlete
B is a 130 lb skinny athlete

scenario #1: it's 90 degrees outside, who's more likely to cramp up after 4 hours of bicycling?

scenario #2: both A and B suffer serious 3rd-degree burns in a house fire, who's less likely to succumb to his injuries?

edrick
06-06-2014, 07:42 AM
So many Google doctors on here. If you're going to Google, at least list all of the ways to get cramps, instead of the one that fits your agenda.

dynasty1978
06-06-2014, 09:40 AM
He has a long history of cramping.. wouldn't surprise me at all.. we've all suspected it for years.


Manny Pacquiao also has a history of cramping. Wouldn't surprise me at all.

r15mohd
06-06-2014, 09:53 AM
he's cramped before without there being a "heat" issue...what's the "explanation" to those instances? :rolleyes:

dreamwarrior
06-06-2014, 09:56 AM
He's not going to juice during the season. And using a diuretic during a game would be so stupid. Basketball players need water in their system. And they don't need to feel like they need to pee every 10 minutes

JUDGE WITNESS
06-06-2014, 10:05 AM
its probably cause hes bowlegged as hell

NumberSix
06-06-2014, 10:06 AM
So why didn't Wade cramp up if its because of HGH?

bingoa
06-06-2014, 10:07 AM
Manny Pacquiao also has a history of cramping. Wouldn't surprise me at all.
He was probably on something, refused to take Olympic level drug tests to fight against Mayweather

sd3035
06-06-2014, 10:12 AM
Basically. ESPN said Lebron has a history with cramps too.

history of PED abuse too

[GR]
06-06-2014, 03:35 PM
Maybe he's just got so little body fat that his body needs more water to function fully than others do. :confusedshrug:
Lebron isn't anywhere near low body fat.

hangintheair
06-06-2014, 03:54 PM
Basically. ESPN said Lebron has a history with cramps too.

And ESPN love to suck Lebron's dick

Artillery
06-07-2014, 04:03 PM
http://www.doping-prevention.sp.tum.de/substances-and-methods/diuretics-and-other-masking-agents/side-effects.html

Diuretics have the ability to increase urine production and secretion and are frequently used by athletes either to excrete the banned drug or to lose weight rapidly. However, urinary tract fluid losses caused by drug-induced diuresis may lead to intravascular volume depletion. Excessive diuretic therapy in combination with increased ephidrosis, usually leads to dehydration and hypovolemia, which is one of the major causes of hypokalemia.

Unlike medical patients, athletes do not retain excess water, thus the use of diuretics results in an abnormal and dangerous loss of water and electrolytes. Athletes with diuretic-induced dehydration, performing in heat, are more susceptible to heat exhaustion. Hypotension can be particularly troublesome sometimes. Use of diuretics commonly leads to low levels of body potassium. However, severe symptomatic hypokalemia is rare, while moderate levels of hypokalemia are common. Hypokalemia mainly causes disturbed neurological functioning and cardiac arrhythmias, even heart failure. Additionally, symptoms as muscle weakness and muscle cramps are common.


In general, all diuretics have the same side effects:
dehydration
hypovolemia
muscular cramps and
orthostatic hypotension.

NumberSix
06-07-2014, 04:04 PM
He busted too many nutts on Wednesday. Slamming chunky Mexican broads.

Milbuck
06-07-2014, 04:06 PM
He busted too many nutts on Wednesday. Slamming chunky Mexican broads.
Came here to say this