best fighter in Game of Thrones universe discussion

[riseagainst]

for those of you who are GoT fanatics. Prime Jaime Lannister was considered the one of the best fighters in Westeros at that time. Jaime himself has said that there were really only 3 people who gave him a run for his money in a fight, but he never mentioned their names.

This got me thinking. Who are these 3 people and are there others who are just as powerful or even better than Jaime?

One off the top of my head: Barristan Selmy. Jaime speaks highly of him and he trained Jaime.

[LexiKhan]

Well, I haven't read the books, but the show pretty much established that Martell dude as top dog, he owned the mountain before derping it up and looks like he could the same to just about anyone.

Jaime looked underwhelming most of the time. Didn't really impose himself against Ned and got owned by brianne (yes he was far from being 100% but still didn't show much). All the others is just hearsay since they'll probably never show selmy or other older dudes and sirio forell is dead.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Well, I haven't read the books, but the show pretty much established that Martell dude as top dog, he owned the mountain before derping it up and looks like he could the same to just about anyone.

Jaime looked underwhelming most of the time. Didn't really impose himself against Ned and got owned by brianne (yes he was far from being 100% but still didn't show much). All the others is just hearsay since they'll probably never show selmy or other older dudes and sirio forell is dead.

He wasn't 100%? He only had one hand :lol How tf can you even mention that, and it was his off hand that he was left with.

[alenleomessi]

spoiler:

varys

[Droid101]

He wasn't 100%? He only had one hand :lol How tf can you even mention that, and it was his off hand that he was left with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj-PcSfURd8

Two hands, but tied.

[riseagainst]

here is who i think could beat Jaime in his prime. BTW Jaime in his prime is not in the current story/show. Currently, even before he lost his hand, the Jaime in the story is at least near 10 years removed from his prime.

Barristan Selmy, in his prime.
Oberyn Martell. RIP
Loras Tyrell.

[Droid101]

here is who i think could beat Jaime in his prime. BTW Jaime in his prime is not in the current story/show. Currently, even before he lost his hand, the Jaime in the story is at least near 10 years removed from his prime.

Barristan Selmy, in his prime.
Oberyn Martell.
Loras Tyrell.
How about current? Now that the Mountain and Oberyn are dead and Jaime is lame, who is left at the top?

Edit: White texted a spoiler if you're not up to date on the show.

[riseagainst]

How about current? Now that the Mountain and Oberyn are dead and Jaime is lame, who is left at the top?

Probably Selmy still, and Brienne. Out of the central characters.

Then you have guys like Jaqen Hghagar, who probably could beat Brienne in a 1v1. But who knows.

I actually forgot about Kal Drogo originally, I think he could easily beat the Mountain 1v1 and hence Jaime and others.

[Droid101]

Probably Selmy still, and Brienne. Out of the central characters.

Then you have guys like Jaqen Hghagar, who probably could beat Brienne in a 1v1. But who knows.

I actually forgot about Kal Drogo originally, I think he could easily beat the Mountain 1v1 and hence Jaime and others.
Where does Lord Friendzone and Daario fall in line? And Grey Worm?

Someone needs to make a big ass chart with all the warriors by skill level.

[Trollsmasher]

I'll take prime Bobby B on the day of the battle of Trident over anyone

No mortal man was beating Demon of the Trident

[B-hoop]

Its not Loras, Jaime mentions in the books that Loras could best him with the lance but he thought he would win in a fight

[ZeN]

Aemon Targeryan

[Rodmantheman]

Don't sleep on Bronn.

[KingBeasley08]

Prime Robert Baratheon would shit on everyone

Best current fighter is probably Barristan even though dudes like 60. Fcking Tim Duncan out there

[MavsSuperFan]

Well, I haven't read the books, but the show pretty much established that Martell dude as top dog, he owned the mountain before derping it up and looks like he could the same to just about anyone.

Jaime looked underwhelming most of the time. Didn't really impose himself against Ned and got owned by brienne (yes he was far from being 100% but still didn't show much). All the others is just hearsay since they'll probably never show selmy or other older dudes and sirio forell is dead.

oberyn is not the best. Mountain is a very flawed fighter.
Jaime could not kill ned because it would have meant the death of tyrion, who he does care about. Also brianne is a very good fighter, much better than your average knight.

Prime Jaime, Arthur dayne, Duncan the tall, Drogo (mounted) and Young Selmy were imo the highest tier.

#1 Arthur Dayne

Next tier: Young Robert, Drogo (on foot), Oberyn, Areo Hotah, Syrio, Smiling knight, Victarion, Garlan Tyrell, Gerald Hightower, Current Selmy, Gerold Dayne (aka darkstar), Knight of the Laughing Tree (maybe)

Next Tier: the mountain, the Hound, Mance Rayder, Lewyn Martell, Rhaegar Targaryen, Jon Umber, Archibald Yronwood, Brandon Stark, Knight of the Laughing Tree (other possibility), Rodrik Cassel, Strong belwas

Next Tier: Jon Snow, Brienne of tarth, Tormund Giantsbane, Jorah Mormont, loras tyrell, Grey Worm (as an individual fighter, in a unit he would be more effective), Gerris Drinkwater, Beric Dondarrion, Jory Cassel, Daario, Bronn

Next Tier: Obara sand, lyn corbray, Dacey Mormont

No other individual fighter is significant.
Ned Stark, Randyll Tarly, Stannis baratheon, Robb Stark, Roose Bolton, Paxter Redwyne Tywin Lannister, are good generals, but not exceptional fighters.

Notes:
- I could see an argument for moving mance and brandon stark to the 2nd tier. also the Knight of the Laughing Tree is either 2nd or 3rd tier imo
-No one on my highest tier is currently alive or at peak, and besides drogo (mounted) and jaime no one was active or at peak at the time of Jon Arryn's death

[Shade8780]

Olenna Tyrell.

[KingBeasley08]

^ Young Robert should be top tier as well. Dude was unbeatable in his prime. He used his hammer instead of his sword but still kicked ass

Also, at one point he took some dude's soldier and almost killed one of Rhaeger's top commanders in single combat despite never using a sword :bowdown:

[KyleKong]

Loras Tyrell

[MavsSuperFan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj-PcSfURd8

Two hands, but tied.
he was a POW for about a year. He was badly malnurtured and his muscles had significant atrophy

[MavsSuperFan]

^ Young Robert should be top tier as well. Dude was unbeatable in his prime. He used his hammer instead of his sword but still kicked ass

Also, at one point he took some dude's soldier and almost killed one of Rhaeger's top commanders in single combat despite never using a sword :bowdown:
:lol why are you acting like a warhammer is some sort of handicap?

[robert de niro]

for those who know more about this, where would daario naharis rank?

[MavsSuperFan]

for those who know more about this, where would daario naharis rank?
4th tier imo

[The_Yearning]

for those of you who are GoT fanatics. Prime Jaime Lannister was considered the one of the best fighters in Westeros at that time. Jaime himself has said that there were really only 3 people who gave him a run for his money in a fight, but he never mentioned their names.

This got me thinking. Who are these 3 people and are there others who are just as powerful or even better than Jaime?

One off the top of my head: Barristan Selmy. Jaime speaks highly of him and he trained Jaime.

Jaime was not trained by anyone in particular. He was a prodigious natural swordsmen. He was also knighted by Ser Arthur Dayne, the best swordsmen ever in GoT lore.

I'm assuming this topic is for show characters only. In a 1v1 fight, Oberyn is #1. Dude is a matchup-up nightmare for anyone.

But as an overall fighter, in the same vein as Lebron is the best player in the NBA, prime Jaime Lannister is the best.

Barristan Selmy... is overrated. He is one of those characters in the books who I consider to be an unreliable narrator. I would take everything he says with a grain of salt. I would go as far to say that even Bronn would take this dude out.

But if we are talking books, right now, it's Darkstar.

[Andrei89]

Not gonna rank in Tiers but....


Robert Baratheon > All

Arthur Dayne and Barristan Selmy are also legendary fighters.


Honorable mentions: Khal Drogo, Jamie Lannister, Oberyn Martell, The Mountain ,Brienne of Tarth

Now, if we were talking about battle generals

Stannis of the House Baratheon, first of his name, King of the Andals and of the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms and Protector of the Realm.

1: Withstood a 1 year siege from the Tyrells and the Redwynes
2. Crushed the Grejoy fleet during the Greyjoy rebellion
3. Conquered Dragonstone from the remaining Targaryens
4. Almost conquered Kings Landing if it wasn't for the back rape of the Tyrells and Lannisters
The next numbers are Spoilers in white

5. Crushed the Wildling army with significant lower numbers ( 4000 v 100000)
6. Seems to have a nice surprise in store for the Bolton Vanguard in the next Winds of Winter book

Stannis! Stannis! Stannis!

[MavsSuperFan]

I agree with most of this except for Garlan Tyrell.

He should belong in the conversation with the greats, in terms of personal combat. Oberyn should be considered in that top tier as well, considering all the information about his duels and his travels in Essos.

I think the GOAT fighter of all time is Arthur Dayne, Selmy, or Azor Ahai
2nd tier is no insult considering who is on the first tier

[Rubio2Gasol]

Top level is interesting.

General consensus is the DragonKnight, then Dayne. If we're going by what we heard, Drogo was also seens as one of the greatest warriors ever. Then you have the Smiling Knight.

Robert is up there too.

Current guys:

Selmy and the Hound.

[MavsSuperFan]

Jaime was not trained by anyone in particular. He was a prodigious natural swordsmen. He was also knighted by Ser Arthur Dayne, the best swordsmen ever in GoT lore.

I'm assuming this topic is for show characters only. In a 1v1 fight, Oberyn is #1. Dude is a matchup-up nightmare for anyone.

But as an overall fighter, in the same vein as Lebron is the best player in the NBA, prime Jaime Lannister is the best.

Barristan Selmy... is overrated. He is one of those characters in the books who I consider to be an unreliable narrator. I would take everything he says with a grain of salt. I would go as far to say that even Bronn would take this dude out.

But if we are talking books, right now, it's Darkstar.
Where do you get that Selmy is overrated or an unreliable narrator? To me he doesnt come off as braggadocious at all. many characters other than himself refer to him as one of the greats. In fact I think he is quite humble, honest and noble in his POV chapters.

The few times we see him in action he has lived up to his legend. He is not showy and just does the bare minimum to win. Also that stuff with the staff.

[MavsSuperFan]

Not gonna rank in Tiers but....


Robert Baratheon > All

Arthur Dayne and Barristan Selmy are also legendary fighters.


Honorable mentions: Khal Drogo, Jamie Lannister, Oberyn Martell, The Mountain ,Brienne of Tarth

Now, if we were talking about battle generals

Stannis of the House Baratheon, first of his name, King of the Andals and of the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms and Protector of the Realm.

1: Withstood a 1 year siege from the Tyrells and the Redwynes
2. Crushed the Grejoy fleet during the Greyjoy rebellion
3. Conquered Dragonstone from the remaining Targaryens
4. Almost conquered Kings Landing if it wasn't for the back rape of the Tyrells and Lannisters
The next numbers are Spoilers in white

5.
6.

Stannis! Stannis! Stannis!

agreed that stannis is a great general, and my favorite character.

He is like Ned but much smarter and much less nice.

you forgot to mention how he conquered the largest of the iron islands great wyk

about point 4: the wildfire/chain trick also hurt his invasion forces
about point 5: not that impressive, their threat is greatly overrated. They look good because of weak opposition. Stannis' least impressive accomplishment.

[MavsSuperFan]

A lot of people seem to think young robert baratheon was the greatest fighter. Personally I think he was great.

However, how do you guys explain that in killing rhaegar his injuries were enough that he left conquering kings landing to Ned?

[D-Rose]

agreed that stannis is a great general, and my favorite character.

He is like Ned but much smarter and much less nice.

about point 4: the wildfire/chain trick also hurt his invasion forces
about point 5: not that impressive, their threat is greatly overrated. They look good because of weak opposition. Stannis' least impressive accomplishment.
Stannis is so mundane and lame. I haven't read the books though, so maybe he's different there. The only interesting part of his entire story arc is the lady Melissandre (sp?) showing off that body. Oh and the battle @ Blackwater. But that was all Tyrion.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Loras Tyrell is one of the best? Gtfooooooo, maybe in the books, but he don't got cred in the show.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Stannis is so mundane and lame. I haven't read the books though, so maybe he's different there. The only interesting part of his entire story arc is the lady Melissandre (sp?) showing off that body. Oh and the battle @ Blackwater. But that was all Tyrion.

So him using leeches to kill Jeoffry, Robb, and eventually Balon is not interesting to you? I personally like Stannis.

[The Big Skinny]

What is with people's obsession with Stannis Baratheon? He isn't that great of a character in my opinion. Must be much better portrayed in the book, because there is not much depth to him in the show.

[MavsSuperFan]

Loras Tyrell is one of the best? Gtfooooooo, maybe in the books, but he don't got cred in the show.
Probably slightly better than Jon Snow, they both are 4th tier imo, you're just underrating him cause he enjoys sucking dick :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnLUrGt2114
lannister soldier talking about the best fighters. They mention loras :lol

Seriously though in the show, he loses to brienne but they were in the finals of that melee. Is one of the better swordsmen in the show. Especially since so many characters have been omitted from the books.

[MavsSuperFan]

Stannis is so mundane and lame. I haven't read the books though, so maybe he's different there. The only interesting part of his entire story arc is the lady Melissandre (sp?) showing off that body. Oh and the battle @ Blackwater. But that was all Tyrion.


What is with people's obsession with Stannis Baratheon? He isn't that great of a character in my opinion. Must be much better portrayed in the book, because there is not much depth to him in the show.

he is about the same

At this point in the books (where the show currently is) I didnt like stannis either.

Spoilerish in white

Stannis sort of becomes the last hope for those that want justice and hate dany.

Stannis' accomplishments and strength as a commander is also impressive, he isnt some spoiled stupid girl

Stannis doesnt want to be king, its his duty to be king, for his bloodline and for his daughter. The crown is also his by right

Stannis has gotten screwed his whole life:

- his is barely younger than robert
-stannis doesnt even think rebelling against areys is right. Stannis just supports Robert because robert is his older brother.
- after holding out against the combined tyrell army and navy and never surrendering His and Robert's home of storms end, Robert doesnt give him any credit for fighting off the siege. This is imo the largest reason why robert's rebellion succeeds. Mace Tyrell is warden of the south and High Marshal of the Reach. The Reach is the agricultural heart of westeros and for this reason has by far the highest population and is the second richest region (only the gold mines of the Westerlands is richer). When Mace Tyrell combines his armies with that of his bannermen they form the single largest force (to put it in perspective mace is able to give renly 100,000 troops, literally just putting them at his disposal, Robb Stark marches south with about 20,000 soldiers)

Mace's mother is (olenna tyrell) was born olenna redwyne. This makes the redwynes and tyrells very close allies. In fact the lord of the arbor, Paxter Redwyne is the 1st cousin of mace tyrell and his brother in law (Paxter married mace's sister). House Redwyne controls an area where they grew the best grapes for making wine. In fact arbor gold is a world famous white wine. and through trade in wine have become extremely wealthy. The redwyne fleet consists of 200+ warships and 1000+ trading ships.

Stannis manages to tie up all of the military forces of the reach by holding out against their siege. Had stannis surrendered (his troops were starving and badly outnumbered (robert had taken the majority of the baratheon forces with him)) the tyrell forces and redwyne fleet would have won the war for the targaryens. and Robert and Ned would be dead.

Robert doesnt give stannis an ounce of credit. He gives Ned the credit for lifting the siege of storm's end. After kings landing is taken Robert forgets his little brother is starving and under siege, lucky for stannis ned remembers and ned takes an army to aid stannis. Mace tyrell seeing that the targaryens have lost (and being a coward) surrenders to ned without a fight.

- Stannis is given the job of conquering dragonstone and defeating the last remnants of targaryen power. Stannis goes and does so. However robert only blames stannis for not capturing dany and viserys.

-Robert gives control of the stormlands/storm's end to renly, his and stannis's younger (at this time kid) brother. Stannis gets dragonstone and the island. The stormlands can generate much more income and support a much larger population. To be fair to robert putting renly in charge of subduing and controlling former targaryen loyalists might have gotten the kid killed. Stannis fully subdues dragonstone.

-After robert becomes king, he chooses Jon Arryn as his hand, instead of his brother.

- during the greyjoy rebellion, stannis basically wins the war and gets zero credit. The greyjoy's rule the iron islands (GoT vikings), and their strength is in their navy. They start the war by attacking the Lannister fleet and Lannisport (tywin at this point is robert's father-in-law). Despite the fact that tywin is a military genius, his fleet is caught totally off guard. the lannister navy is destroyed at anchor.

the iron islands declare independence and are now the strongest navy on the sunset sea (west of westeros), since the lannister fleet is wrecked. Robert tasks stannis with the job of defeating the greyjoy's navy. He takes the royal fleet across the south of westeros and joins his force with paxter redwyne's fleet. Stannis sets a trap off Fair Isle and destroys the iron born fleet. Once the Greyjoy navy is sunk, the war was over. The iron born have a great navy, but they have the smallest population and the least resources. Once robert could transport ground troops to the iron islands they were finished.

Robert insults stannis by having his BFF Ned finish the war at his side by making balon bend the knee. He relegates stannis to conqueror great wyk, instead of the capital pike. Stannis obeys.

-When jon arryn becomes hand of the king, stannis becomes the master of ships and is responsible for maintaining the royal navy. He also works alongside jon arryn to rule westeros in roberts name (who was too drunk and lazy to actually attend small council meetings) and jon arryn comes to respect stannis enough that he wants to send his and lysa's son to foster with stannis. Jon arryn thinks his wife is making his son weak, and separating them would be good for the boy. He thinks stannis would whip the softness out of his son. Its a major factor in lysa killing jon arryn. Robert of course gave him no credit for doing his job.

-Stannis was actually the one who suspected that joffrey, tommen and myrcella weren't roberts kids. he confided this in jon arryn and they investigated the case together. Stannis thought that robert wouldnt believe him if he told him cersei's kids werent his. Robert didnt love stannis and would have thought stannis was trying to make himself the heir. Stannis thought robert would believe it if jon arryn, who he loved as a surrogate father, told him the truth. Stannis took Arryn to visit roberts bastards and pointed out they all had dark hair. Arryn then looked up the histories of the great houses of westeros and discovered that anytime a baratheon and lannister married the kids always had black hair.

Jon arryn died soon after (his wife killed him, for an unrelated reason) and stannis believed the lannisters had killed jon arryn and escaped the capital. He was sure Robert wouldnt believe him. and he didnt have the military forces to challenge the lannisters by himself.

-after jon arryn's death robert goes to his bff ned to offer him the position of hand of the king, further insulting stannis.

-later on after robert dies, renly has the nerve to claim the throne and ask stannis to follow him. Punkass, ingrate renly who stannis made sure didnt starve to death when he was kid and the tyrells were besieging their home. Has the nerve to betray stannis his older brother. The younger brother is supposed to obey the older brother, its why stannis followed robert in rebellion and refused to surrender in the face of overwhelming odds. Even though robert always treated him like dirt (eg on stannis' wedding night Robert bangs his wife's sister (stannis' sister-in-law) on stannis martial bed), this of course humiliated house florent (stannis' wife's family), and by extension stannis, robert acted like it was no big deal. Renly who without stannis would have starved to death or been captured by the tyrells and given to the mad king for burning, betrays him



One key difference though in the books they talk about stannis' actions/accomplishments/battles won before the beginning of the story (death of jon arryn)

[eliteballer]

In the books the mountain is supposed to be described as being near 8 feet tall, with a 6 foot sword and the strength to cut a man in half with one swing, on top of wearing armor so heavy no other man could even move in it...

So how could anyone beat him without a weapon like a spear or arrow? A sword and they'd have to get in so close it would be suicide.

[knickballer]

In the books the mountain is supposed to be described as being near 8 feet tall, with a 6 foot sword and the strength to cut a man in half with one swing, on top of wearing armor so heavy no other man could even move in it...

So how could anyone beat him without a weapon like a spear or arrow? A sword and they'd have to get in so close it would be suicide.

You have to use Oberyn tactics to counter the goon. Backflips, somersaults, etc.

[The_Yearning]

-TV Show wise, right now, it's Oberyn or Loras

-Selmy is overrated? :wtf: dude killed Maelys in single combat when he was a squire and killed countless other great fighters sense then.

-Jamie was one of the greats, but never the best in his prime. I'd take Garlan Tyrell or Loras Tyrell over him.

Garlan Tyrell... what do we really know about this dude? Just because he trains 2vs1? C'mon man.

As for Loras... you trolling.

[D-Rose]

So him using leeches to kill Jeoffry, Robb, and eventually Balon is not interesting to you? I personally like Stannis.
No.

[GimmeThat]

shot gun or sniper?

it's a serious question.

[Graviton]

Wouldn't Jaqen just kill any of these people since he uses magic, poison and other techniques that honorable knights don't expect? Especially when he seemed to kill people without them even realizing wtf was going on. If Arya named the Mountain, Hound and Jaime wouldn't he kill them all?

From what I read those faceless assassins are the most feared faction in the GoT universe, doesn't matter who is the target they always succeed. So technically wouldn't Jaqen or any of their top assassins be the best killers?

[miller-time]

Wouldn't Jaqen just kill any of these people since he uses magic, poison and other techniques that honorable knights don't expect? Especially when he seemed to kill people without them even realizing wtf was going on. If Arya named the Mountain, Hound and Jaime wouldn't he kill them all?

From what I read those faceless assassins are the most feared faction in the GoT universe, doesn't matter who is the target they always succeed. So technically wouldn't Jaqen or any of their top assassins be the best killers?

But assassination isn't fighting. It isn't like he would challenge them to a duel to kill them.

[MavsSuperFan]

Loras, trolling? :wtf:

He beat 3 members of the Kingsguard, Robar the Red, The Mountain, and Jamie in the Tourney of the Hand.
jousting doe
and he never beats jaime.
Also he cheats to beat the mountain.

Jaime loses to sandor (the hound) in a joust

Jaime even says that jousting is mostly about horsemanship. The better rider wins 9/10 times.

[MavsSuperFan]

Ya'll upset because Loras likes the dick.
I have loras ranked in my 4th tier. :confusedshrug:

Jousting is not the same as fighting.

Jousting is not even the same as mounted combat.

Jaime even says jousting is basically just a test of horsemanship.

[Derka]

Arthur Dayne, The Sword of the Morning

[Trollsmasher]

A lot of people seem to think young robert baratheon was the greatest fighter. Personally I think he was great.

However, how do you guys explain that in killing rhaegar his injuries were enough that he left conquering kings landing to Ned?
Who knows what kind of injury was it. You could get a shallow cut on your ass and still die of sepsis after attending what Ned described as a race to KL. Robert also arrived not too much later. And it's not like the Rainman was some slouch.


:lol why are you acting like a warhammer is some sort of handicap?

Also this. When two guys in full plate go at it, the one with warhammer has an immense advantage.

[Rodmantheman]

Ya'll upset because Loras likes the dick.

He can't even beat that tall girl forgot her name.

Edit Brienne

[mika]

But if we are talking books, right now, it's Darkstar.
He failed to kill a child:confusedshrug:

I like how he's hyped up and all, but he's gonna have to do something crazy and heroic to redeem himself for sucking.

[The_Yearning]

He failed to kill a child:confusedshrug:

I like how he's hyped up and all, but he's gonna have to do something crazy and heroic to redeem himself for sucking.

He "failed" to kill a girl in the same vein Oberyn failed to kill the Mountain.

We are also told he "failed" but we are never told his intentions either so your point is moot.

[KingBeasley08]

Darkstar got no feats. Horrible character, all talk no walk

[The_Yearning]

:durantunimpressed:

Howland Reed made him his bitch

:oldlol:

On a side note.

Does anyone think Arthur actually died, and his sword was really lost?

I feel like GRRM has something planned for at least him or the sword.

7vs3

Arthur is dead. Ned took Dawn to Starfall.

Darkstar will end up wielding Dawn.

[East_Stone_Ya]

http://biffbampop.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/syrio_forel.png

[knickballer]

http://biffbampop.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/syrio_forel.png


This!

Was just about to post this. Did you ****** forget about Syrio Forel?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcjQ4rQQ8H8


"There is only one god; Death. There is only one thing we say to death, not today"

Probably the most underrated clip in the series.

[longtime lurker]

Arthur Dayne, Jaimie Lannister, Selmy are on a God tier by themselves

[Gr]

Arthur Dayne, Jaimie Lannister, Selmy are on a God tier by themselves

Jaime Lannister struggled with old Eddard Stark. :lol

[BoogieWoogieMan]

[QUOTE=Gr

[Kblaze8855]

They are about the same age. Jaime was like 17 when he killed the king and Ned and robert were considered boys. They were still in the Vale growing up with Jon Aryn when the war began. If Ned is older than Jaime its by 2-3 years. Robb was born during the war which was 17 years ago in the show and I think 15 in the books. And they have established that Jaime is about 40.

They were all in the 17-21 range during the war.

[longtime lurker]

[QUOTE=Gr

[Pointguard]

Is there a reason nobody said the Red Viper? Was that for spoiler reasons? The Mountain took every possible precaution... And would have lost every round.

[Andrei89]

Is there a reason nobody said the Red Viper? Was that for spoiler reasons? The Mountain took every possible precaution... And would have lost every round.

Many people put the Viper in their top tiers.

He is a legendary fighter and he schooled 8 foot Mountain (in the books)

[MavsSuperFan]

They never fought in the book.
they did, it wasnt shown, but thats how ned's leg got damaged.

After tyrion gets caught, jaime leads lannister men against ned's men, after neds meeting with robert's bastard daughter. Its how jory cassel dies.

Just because something isnt shown in the books, doesnt mean it didnt happen. Eg. Robb's victories and battles

[MavsSuperFan]

[QUOTE=Gr

[Kblaze8855]

Ned was thrown by his horse to hurt his leg in the books. Jaime was there but not involved in the actual injury. THe books say he had trotted off and told his men to kill Neds men so he wouldnt leave entirely unchastened.

He didnt want Ned hurt at all because Ned said if they killed him Cat would kill Jaimes brother.

[Bobby13]

they did, it wasnt shown, but thats how ned's leg got damaged.

After tyrion gets caught, jaime leads lannister men against ned's men, after neds meeting with robert's bastard daughter. Its how jory cassel dies.

Just because something isnt shown in the books, doesnt mean it didnt happen. Eg. Robb's victories and battles

Wrong
In the books Jamie gets his men to rough Ned up, and walks away

[Kblaze8855]

And I suspect that in the show it wasnt Ice ned had. Ice was much bigger than that sword he fought with. It was like 6 feet long. He wouldnt wear it just going out.

[jamal99]

And I suspect that in the show it wasnt Ice ned had. Ice was much bigger than that sword he fought with. It was like 6 feet long. He wouldnt wear it just going out.
Definitely wasn't Ice and they didn't fight in the book...

[fsvr54]

Jorah Mormont

Once cut down 20 Targaryean soldiers by himself after deafeating the nearly 7 foot tall machine Ser Alario Mendone

[BoogieWoogieMan]

they did, it wasnt shown, but thats how ned's leg got damaged.

After tyrion gets caught, jaime leads lannister men against ned's men, after neds meeting with robert's bastard daughter. Its how jory cassel dies.

Just because something isnt shown in the books, doesnt mean it didnt happen. Eg. Robb's victories and battles

Did you even read the book? :lol


The scene in which Ser Jaime attacks Eddard is significantly different in the series. In the book, Eddard and his guards are horseback, and are away from the brothel when encountering the Lannisters. Jaime wants only to frighten Eddard and orders his men to attack Eddard's guards. Eddard then gets his leg crushed by his injured horse when it falls, as he tries to come to the rescue of his men. In the series, Jaime orders them to capture Eddard alive, and he personally kills Jory by stabbing him through the eye with a dagger. Then he and Eddard attack each other while the Lannister guards are watching. The fight ends when Eddard is stabbed in the leg by a Lannister guard.

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