Starting your franchise.....Dirk or KG?

[Rocketswin2013]

Let's say it's some hypothetical draft or whatever....Who do you pick? Your team needs a franchise PF.....

[NumberSix]

Right now? Dirk.

[MP.Trey]

KG. Always take offense + defense over just offense.

[COnDEMnED]

Tough call..I think it would depend on what the supporting cast would be like.

[iTare]

KG.

[bukowski81]

I guess it depends on who is your other big man. If it is elite defensively ill go with Dirk.

If you dont know or your other big sucks Ill go with KG

[Milbuck]

Dirk's teams are at their best when he's next to an elite defensive center. KG is at his best when he's playing with offensively capable perimeter players.

There's an abundance of offensive-minded perimeter players...but a limited amount of elite defensive centers. If we had no knowledge of who we were getting, or we had just an empty team to build off of, KG would be easier to build around and I'd probably choose him.

But if my team was guaranteed to have a young, future elite defensive anchor/rim protector to build alongside Dirk...say it was the Detroit Pistons from last season (pre-Jennings/JSmoove) with Andre Drummond, I'd pick Dirk.

[j3lademaster]

KG. He's probably the easiest superstar to build around. However, I'd switch to Dirk in a heartbeat if I had to give KG the same franchise crippling contract.

[Rose'sACL]

KG. Not even any doubt. Shame he wasted all those years playing for the wolves.

[fpliii]

No question this is KG. One of the most underrated players on here and in general.

[Meticode]

Kevin Garnett

[DFish24]

Close, but with KG I would still need to find a #1 option on offense. Give me Dirk.

[Dr. Ice]

Dirk. My opinion of kg was ruined the moment he had to force himself to make a superteam.

He's nothing but a small step above elton brand in my opinion.

[JellyBean]

KG. No question.

[Im Still Ballin]

KG.

[ProfessorMurder]

KG

[ArbitraryWater]

No question, Dirk

[DMAVS41]

Dirk...

So much of Dirk's impact seems to remain hidden to posters here.

This article gives some insight into why Dirk still today remains one of the toughest offensive riddles to solve in NBA history;

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/steve-nash-george-karl-and-others-on-dirk-nowitzki-and-the-unguardable-play/

[Smoke117]

Kevin Garnett.

[Smook A.]

I don't know... This is kinda tough but I'd probably take Kevin Garnett.

Dirk Nowitzki has always been an elite offensive player and if you get him on your team you get instant offense. Dirk has a silky smooth jumper. He has those nice fadeaways and turn around jumpers. Such a plessure to watch.

With Kevin Garnett, you get a 6'11 Power Forward that could do everything. Elite defense, great offense, tremendous passing for a guy his size. Not to mention, he hustled when the ball was lose. KG was just a complete player. Amazing all-around skill.

Dirk is the better offensive player, but Kevin Garnett could rebound better, pass better and most importantly defend better. At the end both are great players but if I had to chose one out of the two I would have to pick KG.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Not tough and I choose KG.

[masonanddixon]

I'll go with Dirk in just about every scenario.

[Kblaze8855]

Glancing at the teams now....if I were the gm of the team...id rather have rookie Dirk for the next 15 years over rookie KG on 9 of them....11 max. IT varies by team...but most of the time id take what KG brings.

[nathanjizzle]

KG. if choosing two players who are almost equal, choose the blacker one.

[dirkdiggler41]

Dirk took a team with Josh Howard and Jason Terry to the finals. Give him Wally, Cassell and Latrell and he makes it to the finals.

[nathanjizzle]

Dirk took a team with Josh Howard and Jason Terry to the finals. Give him Wally, Cassell and Latrell and he makes it to the finals.

i hate hypothetical arguments like these. i dont care how good you think a player is, they arnt "taking" a team to the finals themselves.

[Kevin_Garnett_5]

Dirk took a team with Josh Howard and Jason Terry to the finals. Give him Wally, Cassell and Latrell and he makes it to the finals.
You could argue KG would've taken those guys to the Finals if they were healthy. Wally missed most of the Kings series and Cassell missed most of the WCF. KG and Spree carried them to two victories over the Lakers.

[SuperCereal]

Dirk!

[Dro]

KG. Always take offense + defense over just offense.
This.....

[dirkdiggler41]

You could argue KG would've taken those guys to the Finals if they were healthy. Wally missed most of the Kings series and Cassell missed most of the WCF. KG and Spree carried them to two victories over the Lakers.

Oki. But do you think KG would be able to make it to the finals with Howard and JT as the second options?

[fos]

Dirk. I'll take the guy who won it as the man with Jason Terry as the second best player over fake tough guy Garnot.

[Rodmantheman]

original thread give me KG.

[Kevin_Garnett_5]

Oki. But do you think KG would be able to make it to the finals with Howard and JT as the second options?
There's no way of answering that so I don't see the point. I don't even think it really matters. Obviously you can't build around two completely different players the same way. Bottom line is, KG more than maximized what he could've gotten out of those Wolves & Celtics teams.

[knicksman]

Its like comparing lebron to jordan. One is a winner while the other is an overrated statpadder. Cannot win as the man and multiple superstars/allstars while the other could have 2 rings as the man if not for dwhistle.. Its not close really..

[MavsSuperFan]

KG has one ring and the Finals MVP was pierce

[Cone]

Dirk no question. Just the better player and is capable of leading any squad to the playoffs. His impact >>>> KGs

As I said. Dirk. No. Question.

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[Pushxx]

KG because it's a little easier to build around him, and he's slightly more versatile on the basketball court.

[atljonesbro]

Dirk. What he has seems to translate to championships more than what KG has. Ability to take over games. Not to mention the crazy match up issues he throws at a defense. He honestly impacts the game more than KG's all around game.

[macpierce]

If I wanted to win a championship, I think I'd had to give Dirk the advantage due to his scoring output near the end of games. He is a closer without question.

Garnett is definitely more versatile but you need buckets in the 4th quarter of playoff games to advance. Garnett has always been an unselfish player but you need that scoring mentality to lead a team to a championship.

[ProfessorMurder]

Dirk no question. Just the better player and is capable of leading any squad to the playoffs. His impact >>>> KGs

As I said. Dirk. No. Question.

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The only time the Wolves made the playoffs in FRANCHISE HISTORY was when KG was there. He took every one of those shit teams to the playoffs.

[Kblaze8855]

Cannot win as the man

So when you are 3rd in MVp voting, all NBa first team, the DPOY on a defense first team, lead the team in playoff scoring and rebounds....and 4th quarter scoring...and put up 27/16 to win the ring sparking a massive first half blowout to seal the title in game 6...

You arent the man if someone has 38 points in a loss to raise his averages enough to win finals MVP?

Please. The DPOY is also your leading scorer...hes the man. Even if someone else wins finals MVP. Jojo White was not the man over Dave Cowens due to a finals MVP.

And thats exactly what KG was to those celtics.

The do it all bigman...who also happened to be their leading scorer in the playoffs.

Isnt much question who the one guy was on that team if you have to name one.

[Carbine]

KG is one of the best defensive players in history and can give you +20 points in the playoffs and great passing.

He's just easier to build around. That's why I would take him.

[MavsPoke]

Dirk will get just about any team to the playoffs. Can't say that about KG.

I'd have to go with Dirk.



The only time the Wolves made the playoffs in FRANCHISE HISTORY was when KG was there. He took every one of those shit teams to the playoffs.

The Mavs were the worst team in all professional sports before Dirk got there. Cuban and Dirk are the only 2 parts of 10 years of 50 win teams.

Dirk will get you 50 wins and the playoffs. KG wasn't able to do that year in and year out like Dirk was.

It would be foolish to not take Dirk over KG to start your franchise if you just look at what they did.

[rhowen4]

I like LeBron and I would go with KG.

[Kblaze8855]

Dirk will get you 50 wins and the playoffs. KG wasn't able to do that year in and year out like Dirk was.

And this is where it always gets ugly and turns into a 25 page argument.


Trent Hassell, Marko Jaric, Wally and Ricky(40 and 36 games...traded), Mccants, Eddie Griffin, Banks, Blount, 36 games of Troy Hudson, Kandiman, Justin Reed, Mark Madsen, Ronald dupree, Anthony Carter, and Richie Frahm arent doing anything that matters no matter who the top guy is.

Michael Jordan isnt doing shit with that team.

A magical Larry Bird Hakeem hybrid might win 48 games and lose in the first round.

No KG team really underachieved for...9-10 years or so.

[nathanjizzle]

KG and its not really a hard choice.

[MavsPoke]

And this is where it always gets ugly and turns into a 25 page argument.


Trent Hassell, Marko Jaric, Wally and Ricky(40 and 36 games...traded), Mccants, Eddie Griffin, Banks, Blount, 36 games of Troy Hudson, Kandiman, Justin Reed, Mark Madsen, Ronald dupree, Anthony Carter, and Richie Frahm arent doing anything that matters no matter who the top guy is.

Michael Jordan isnt doing shit with that team.

A magical Larry Bird Hakeem hybrid might win 48 games and lose in the first round.

No KG team really underachieved for...9-10 years or so.

Yeah...that's really hard to argue. It starts to involve WAY too many variables.

All I know is the Mavs sucked big time, worse than any other franchise in all 4 major US sports before Dirk got there. After he got there they became a perennial playoff team. The pieces around him switched year after year. But still they won 50 games. Every year. Coaches changed. 50 wins. I don't see that with KG. I have to question his impact. I can't question Dirks impact.

The article linked a couple pages back is just so good when trying put in words Dirks impact. I want to quote the whole thing. Dirk just being on the floor just impacts the entire game plan for every opposing team. He is truly one of the most unique impact players ever.

The way I think about Dirk on offense is its like having a dominant back to the basket center than can post up at 15 feet. It just spaces out the floor so much that it almost doesn't matter who else is on the floor they are gonna get a shot.

If you watched the Thunder/Spurs game 1 and 2 without Ibaka you see what happens even with 2 of the best offensive players in the game if they cannot drive. As soon as Ibaka stepped on the court and could hit a 15 footer things changed. Now multiply that x10 for Dirk. He has an enormous impact and that makes him easy to build around.

Also, he is the only player I can think of beside Kobe to stay with his team when free agency comes around. KG did not. I would want Dirk if I were a GM.

[knicksman]

LOL at kg being unselfish. The guy was a statpadder thats why no one wants to play with him which results in him being a loser

[GimmeThat]

Dirk's teams are at their best when he's next to an elite defensive center. KG is at his best when he's playing with offensively capable perimeter players.

There's an abundance of offensive-minded perimeter players...but a limited amount of elite defensive centers. If we had no knowledge of who we were getting, or we had just an empty team to build off of, KG would be easier to build around and I'd probably choose him.

But if my team was guaranteed to have a young, future elite defensive anchor/rim protector to build alongside Dirk...say it was the Detroit Pistons from last season (pre-Jennings/JSmoove) with Andre Drummond, I'd pick Dirk.

This.

But I think if we were to go with Larry Birds model, we might even be able to argue that Dirk never really played his natural position at the 3 until the arrival of Marion.

How many coaches would have put out the line up of Dirk/Haslem+Center, even if they had the roster to do it?


Would Larry Brown had done it? I'd be intrigued to know.


I think we are back to the "do you build your franchise with versatile players, or players who play their position exceptionally well" question.

You can probably do both if you separated it into Front court and back court.

Exhibit A: Olympics basketball (even argue college basketball post U.S. dominance)

Exhibit B: Recent modified NBA All Star game.

[ProfessorMurder]

KG. He's probably the easiest superstar to build around. However, I'd switch to Dirk in a heartbeat if I had to give KG the same franchise crippling contract.

KG's contract wasn't crippling until the league went to a new CBA. Not his fault for accepting the money at the time.

[Kevin_Garnett_5]

LOL at kg being unselfish. The guy was a statpadder thats why no one wants to play with him which results in him being a loser
I hope you're trolling. Literally none of what you said in that post is true. KG was always popular amongst NBA all stars throughout his prime, Minnesota's FO just couldn't put together a solid team. His Celtic years proved he was anything but a statpadder, he had no problem being a 2nd or 3rd option, he sacrificed his rebounding in favor of Doc's get back on D system, and he let Rondo do 95% of the playmaking/handling. And he's a loser, yet he still has the same amount of rings and Finals appearances as Dirk despite spending his entire prime with an inept organization?

[Pushxx]

So when you are 3rd in MVp voting, all NBa first team, the DPOY on a defense first team, lead the team in playoff scoring and rebounds....and 4th quarter scoring...and put up 27/16 to win the ring sparking a massive first half blowout to seal the title in game 6...

You arent the man if someone has 38 points in a loss to raise his averages enough to win finals MVP?

Please. The DPOY is also your leading scorer...hes the man. Even if someone else wins finals MVP. Jojo White was not the man over Dave Cowens due to a finals MVP.

And thats exactly what KG was to those celtics.

The do it all bigman...who also happened to be their leading scorer in the playoffs.

Isnt much question who the one guy was on that team if you have to name one.

No doubt KG consistently had some of the worst basketball players around him ever.

All I thought of every year back then is how much that guy's career and talent is rotting away on that team for nothing.

[Kblaze8855]

All I know is the Mavs sucked big time, worse than any other franchise in all 4 major US sports before Dirk got there. After he got there they became a perennial playoff team. The pieces around him switched year after year. But still they won 50 games. Every year. Coaches changed. 50 wins. I don't see that with KG. I have to question his impact. I can't question Dirks impact.

The Clippers won 40 games 3 times from 1976 to 2006. Aside from a couple fluke years that were still not noteworthy the Clippers were pretty much rebuilding for the 40 years before Blake arrived.

Paul came the next year.

They will be good as long as they are healthy and together.

It wont mean Blakes impact is ____. It will mean the team got good players, hired new personel, and built a winning culture.

Much better players than Dirk(or KG for that matter) have been in bad situations.

Dirk isnt gonna magic away a shitty team, a bad coach, a half interested fanbase, and an owner looking to save money.

Some players land where they need to be when they need to be there. Some dont.

To apply the blame or praise of a franchises ability to do whatever for a decade to any one person is just unrealistic.

As I said better players than both of them have had teams suck for years. Sometimes teams with a reasonable level of talent. Far too much goes into it to lay at the feet of one person.

Besides its not like in the end anyone cares about 54 wins and a second round loss or 48 and a first. Its a difference for fanbases to argue over and the rest of the world to not care about.

Its being the Grizzlies this year or the Blazers. There is a difference...but not one worth a discussion. Nobody hanging up .610 winning percentage banners. Just another example of our love of round numbers.

I dont care if the Bulls win 47 games or 52 next year. I care if we can win the title and if we get it done.

KG had one team that should have been able to approach that in Minny. And they had the best record in the west and went to the WCF injured and lost.

Then in Boston he had a team that should have been able to compete....won 66 games and the ring. Got hurt...Magic wiped them out. Came back even old and diminished...back to game 7 of the finals.

Showed enough.

Im not docking a guy for what nobody does.

And nobody wins with Trent Hassell playing the second most minutes on their team.

If someone could win 5 more games...thats great for them.

Team doesnt matter either way,

[Cold soul]

I would have to say KG here. Garnett is more versatile player on both sides of the ball especially on defense as an anchor, rebounding, blocking, etc. KG is one of the best defensive players in history and Dirk isn't as good as player overall due to his defense liability big part of his career, he just doesn't have the same impact. I'll take Dirk over KG come postseason time though...

[knicksman]

I hope you're trolling. Literally none of what you said in that post is true. KG was always popular amongst NBA all stars throughout his prime, Minnesota's FO just couldn't put together a solid team. His Celtic years proved he was anything but a statpadder, he had no problem being a 2nd or 3rd option, he sacrificed his rebounding in favor of Doc's get back on D system, and he let Rondo do 95% of the playmaking/handling. And he's a loser, yet he still has the same amount of rings and Finals appearances as Dirk despite spending his entire prime with an inept organization?

KG is past his prime so its time for him to sacrifice stats for a ring. And KG had beefs with his teammates because of his ashole and statpadding attitude. And dirk won as the man with lesser help and he couldve 2 if not for dwhistle

[Kblaze8855]

Dirk being a defensive liability has always been overblown. Well maybe not always. But it was only true till like 2004 or 2005. 06 on he was at least accaptable. And he wasnt worthy of worst in the league talks like he got before that.

Before they knew what to do with him he would get caught in some bad spots to fail kinda visibly and people noticed him being hidden on non factors and ran with it.

But he hasnt been just....awful to have out there for a long long time. Just became a reputation issue.

Like KG not making big plays. Making a video on him I found so many I had to cut most out for time. Game winners vs Portland, the Pistons, the Nuggets, back to back 3s to force OT vs the Kings, game winning steals, blocks, and deflections....game winning putbacks. A GW putback dunk I believe.

Neither of them has ever been as bad as their reputation in the areas they were lacking. But reputation rarely follows reality too close.

[ProfessorMurder]

KG stats for three seasons combined: 02-03 to 04-05

23.1 ppg / 13.6 reb / 5.6 ast / 1.5 stl / 1.6 blk 2.7 to 2.5 fouls
50 fg% / 78.4 ft% / 39.3 mins / 82 gms
18.1 FGA / 6.2 FTA
153-93 regular season / 12-12 playoffs

Dirk stats for three seasons combined: 04-05 to 06-07

25.8 ppg / 9.2 reb / 3.1 ast / .8 stl / 1.1 blk 2.1 to 2.3 fouls
48 fg% / 89 ft% / 37.7 mins / 79 gms
18.3 FGA / 7.9 FTA
185-61 regular season / 22-20 playoffs

Like Kblaze just said, Dirk's lack of defense is overblown, but KG's offense is underrated. Look at those assist numbers, and the fact that he's only averaging 2.7 less ppg on less shots and less ft on a higher fg%. Dirk's elite offense really isn't shitting on KG's.

[miles berg]

Dirk all day, they built multiple teams around him. 3 coaches, 5 (Nash, Jet, Devin, Kidd, Calderon), multiple guys used in the batman role (Fin, JHo, Jet, Monta), 6 different starting Cs, etc...and all he does is keep on winning. Worst year he had in the 14 year run was 41-41 and that was the only year he got hurt and missed a huge part of the season.

No doubt Dirk. KG is the kind of piece that you add to the already existing main piece, Dirk is the main piece that other pieces are added to.

[Kblaze8855]

Dirk all day, they built multiple teams around him. 3 coaches, 5 (Nash, Jet, Devin, Kidd, Calderon), multiple guys used in the batman role (Fin, JHo, Jet, Monta), 6 different starting Cs, etc...and all he does is keep on winning. Worst year he had in the 14 year run was 41-41 and that was the only year he got hurt and missed a huge part of the season.

No doubt Dirk. KG is the kind of piece that you add to the already existing main piece, Dirk is the main piece that other pieces are added to.

I think I may literally have told you 10 years ago history wouldnt much care about alot of the points Mavs fans make in these discussions. And it usually is Mavs fans. At least 3 of the 4 really on the Dirk side in here are.

It actually used to be kinda 50/50. these days its probably 75/25 KG. And I could see it going even more in that direction. Which is funny because its happened after Dirk finally won.

You are not going to like what history has to say about this as the years go by.

I bet you will pop up in 2021 to complain when KG is listed #19 all time and Dirk #31 in some hyped top 75 players of all time list when the NBA turns 75.

Im not sure it will get that wide...but the gap is getting wider in basketball circles it seems.

I wish this defense matters trend kicked in when I was having Nique vs Pippen arguments 20 years ago.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

t actually used to be kinda 50/50. these days its probably 75/25 KG. And I could see it going even more in that direction. Which is funny because its happened after Dirk finally won.

You are not going to like what history has to say about this as the years go by.

I bet you will pop up in 2021 to complain when KG is listed #19 all time and Dirk #31 in some hyped top 75 players of all time list when the NBA turns 75.

Im not sure it will get that wide...but the gap is getting wider in basketball circles it seems.


Actually it is the opposite. It USED to be 75-25 KG. Now? Not so much.

But I wonder what Absolut Prince would say about it now. Wonder if his opinion changed from back in 99/00.

I know lots of other people's opinions have changed. And I'm not talking about just "message board fans."

[GimmeThat]

No doubt KG consistently had some of the worst basketball players around him ever.

All I thought of every year back then is how much that guy's career and talent is rotting away on that team for nothing.

He's a defensive minded player who because of his ability to hit the 10 footer, as well as some of his turn away J's that resulted in him averaging 20+

I think that on the offensive end, even himself wouldn't be able to differentiate what/who is a good/great guard. But he would be able to tell you on the defensive end.

[nathanjizzle]

id take KG for sure.

[Cone]

id take KG for sure.

you realized you posted in this thread about 5 times saying the same thing?

now gtfo you retarded ****-sucker

dirk > kg. deal with it

[Rodmantheman]

KG

[Rodmantheman]

KG> Dirk

[DMAVS41]

I think I may literally have told you 10 years ago history wouldnt much care about alot of the points Mavs fans make in these discussions. And it usually is Mavs fans. At least 3 of the 4 really on the Dirk side in here are.

It actually used to be kinda 50/50. these days its probably 75/25 KG. And I could see it going even more in that direction. Which is funny because its happened after Dirk finally won.

You are not going to like what history has to say about this as the years go by.

I bet you will pop up in 2021 to complain when KG is listed #19 all time and Dirk #31 in some hyped top 75 players of all time list when the NBA turns 75.

Im not sure it will get that wide...but the gap is getting wider in basketball circles it seems.

I wish this defense matters trend kicked in when I was having Nique vs Pippen arguments 20 years ago.


Like you said...reality and perception don't often match.

Any list with KG 12 spots ahead of Dirk...does not map with reality.

I'm surprised you are 75% in favor of KG though...that seems awfully strong.

I actually disagree. Care to wager where Bill Simmons ranks Dirk in relation to KG in the next edition of his rankings? I bet he ranks Dirk higher...or at least within a few spots. And he's a KG guy and Celtics fan.

I think people will look back on Dirk's career once it's over and more accurately analyze it with all the BS perceptions about the horrible defense or choking...etc. It's essentially been an emotional arguments from Americans that largely relates to the inability to give a European player proper credit...and the 07 Warriors series.

You get into an intellectual discussion or analysis and Dirk will wind up higher on lists. It's the emotions that get in the way.

[knicksman]

kg is the all around type of player and ill take an all around player if I have a dumb FO but if I have great FO, ill take dirk. Dirk provides something that only few can provide whereas what KG can do can be provided by other players although 2 or more players combined. Defensive rebounding bigs are easy to find as proven by ben wallace same with playmakers whereas the dirks are rare. Its about quality over quantity.

Same logic applies to bran and kobe. Lebron has lots of skills but kobe has skills that are rare to find. Basketball is a 5 man game and not 2 man game so who cares if he has lots of skills when those can be easily provided by other players. Dirk/kobe just provides unique skills to the table compared to common skills provided by bran/KG and that what makes them more valuable.

[ImKobe]

KG.

[knicksman]

id take KG for sure.


coming from someone who thinks drose>dirk.. LOL what an idiot

[IcanzIIravor]

I'll go with Dirk. Great offensive player, okay defensive player, but in a close game in the 4th quarter, I can get him the ball and know he can close it out whether I need free throws, a three or a bucket to tie or win. No disrespect to what KG brings to the game on both ends.

[VIntageNOvel]

i think the differences between

KG, Duncan, and Dirk is so marginal, that you could argue if you swap places between em, their franchise would win the same amount of ring

[Sakkreth]

Dirk, it's not like Dirk on defense is liability, he has an edge offensively, clutch and he's better as a leader.

[Johnny Jones]

I actually disagree. Care to wager where Bill Simmons ranks Dirk in relation to KG in the next edition of his rankings? I bet he ranks Dirk higher...or at least within a few spots. And he's a KG guy and Celtics fan.

Bill Simmons is terrible :oldlol:

[pastis]

Dirk without any question.

Dirks defense way way way better than haters think. Dirk is one of the clutchest players in nba history. give me dirk all day.

[StephHamann]

kg won shit with his timberwovles loser franchise

dirk turned dallas into a 00 powerhouse

[moe94]

lol Dirk is so overrated

[iamgine]

I would pick KG just because but...

How about Dirk's rep as an offensive mismatch nightmare that no teams really have answer to.

Basically how it goes is...if you build a team around Dirk, then no matter how good the opponent's defense is, your offense aren't affected that much and will still get good offense due to the sheer presence of Dirk. Whereas with Garnett, while you get his great defense, your offense would fluctuate more depending on if the other team is good or bad defensively.

[DMAVS41]

Bill Simmons is terrible :oldlol:

In some ways I agree, but that isn't relevant to the point.

The point was that I don't think the trend amongst people that influence all time rankings...and Simmons definitely is one. Is moving towards the thinking that KG was clearly better than Dirk...or that Dirk wall fall out of the top 30 all time.

Dirk just came off an amazing season given his age as well.

I have absolutely no problem with someone taking KG for his career over Dirk...I only have issue with someone saying it isn't a real decision...either way.

Putting KG 12 spots ahead of Dirk on an all time list...well, is just absurd no matter who does it. It's not a defendable position. And again...I don't see it trending that way.