Kobe is the most entertaining player ever.

[ImKobe]

He literally gave you everything you'd want out of a player when it comes to entertainment:

- high-flying dunks
- fancy layups
- crazy circus shots you see no one else attempting
- 30-feet fadeaways
- complete post game, from Kareem skyhook to MJ's fadeaway to Dirk's one-legged fadeaway, Hakeem's dream shake
- clutch games - he will have 15-20 point 4th quarters, where he might dump three straight 3's in a row, they can be all contested and off-balance
- passing - probably the most underrated part of his game, he will give you 8+ assist games with crazy behind-the-back or between the legs passes
- dribbling - his dribbles are very deceptive, he can dribble with the best of them, some of his crossovers are just godlike
- drama - you know Kobe will always speak his mind and say things that will crash down the forums due to server overload, not a day goes by when you don't see another Kobe thread(hey-oh!)

You can watch his highlights for days, they are all spectacular:

Clutch shots/tough shots(that big balls dance on the Spurs :oldlol: )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us5QIvuahx4
Passing highlights from the 2012-13 season, when he played point guard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQljOAaAdrM
crazy dunks(the man can fly)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_lMX39ASls
crossovers(don't get no better than this), ankle insurance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF7sVsEgsp4
15 minutes of Kobe's defensive highlights (that perimeter D)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uglEL2GLnAU
Twelve 3-pointers & 45 points against Seattle in 03
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeKCkBQ1GWE

only nikka that can come close to this is MJ in terms of highlights & entertainment value.

[ArbitraryWater]

Too bad you can't make a thread called "Kobe is the GOAT" otherwise you'd be quick labeled an Idiot... soooo you're left with "most entertaining" ..

http://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/obamanotbad.jpg

[ImKobe]

Too bad you can't make a thread called "Kobe is the GOAT" otherwise you'd be quick labeled an Idiot... soooo you're left with "most entertaining" ..

http://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/obamanotbad.jpg

Too bad you can't make a thread called "Lebron is the GOAT" otherwise you'd be quick labeled an Idiot...

[ArbitraryWater]

Too bad you can't make a thread called "Lebron is the GOAT" otherwise you'd be labeled an Idiot...

But I can make a thread "LeBron might go down as GOAT" and it would be true :cheers:

[ImKobe]

But I can make a thread "LeBron might go down as GOAT" and it would be true :cheers:

Any top 10 all-time player still active "might" go down as GOAT. Timmy wins this year and he still has two good-great years in him? He could possibly win at least as many titles as MJ, he might not be consensus GOAT, but you'd be able to make a case for him with let's say 6 rings 4 FMVPs and the fact that he's a big man, which instantly makes his impact greater than a wing player's.

Lebron obviously has a chance because he could have 3 titles & a 3-peat before he even turns 30

Kobe could also get back into the race if he returns to his 2012-13 form at 35 years old & with a decent cast, it would give him 3-5 years to win more titles if healthy.

People think short term, you should look at the bigger picture and see that not all is set in stone.

[ArbitraryWater]

Any top 10 all-time player still active "might" go down as GOAT. Timmy wins this year and he still has two good-great years in him? He could possibly win at least as many titles as MJ, he might not be consensus GOAT, but you'd be able to make a case for him with let's say 6 rings 4 FMVPs and the fact that he's a big man, which instantly makes his impact greater than a wing player's.

Lebron obviously has a chance because he could have 3 titles & a 3-peat before he even turns 30

Kobe could also get back into the race if he returns to his 2012-13 form at 35 years old & with a decent cast, it would give him 3-5 years to win more titles if healthy.

People think short term, you should look at the bigger picture and see that not all is set in stone.


Yes, yes it is... You think the gap between MJ and Kobe/Duncan is close? ITS NOT.

Unless they do something better than they did their entire careers, which is entirely out of the room of possibility, they have NO CHANCE AT GOAT...

the gap is huge. Why would Timmy go up with what he's doing right now?

You're one of his biggest haters and now go bi-polar mode once again saying he could have a case for GOAT?

You're obviously very confused. I worry about your future.

[moe94]

Yes, yes it is... You think the gap between MJ and Kobe/Duncan is close? ITS NOT.

Unless they do something better than they did their entire careers, which is entirely out of the room of possibility, they have NO CHANCE AT GOAT...

the gap is huge. Why would Timmy go up with what he's doing right now?

You're one of his biggest haters and now go bi-polar mode once again saying he could have a case for GOAT?

You're obviously very confused. I worry about your future.
I think it's a wrap for Bron being GOAT. :whatever:

[SexSymbol]

Yes, yes it is... You think the gap between MJ and Kobe/Duncan is close? ITS NOT.

Unless they do something better than they did their entire careers, which is entirely out of the room of possibility, they have NO CHANCE AT GOAT...

the gap is huge. Why would Timmy go up with what he's doing right now?

You're one of his biggest haters and now go bi-polar mode once again saying he could have a case for GOAT?

You're obviously very confused. I worry about your future.
You do? Awww how sweet of you.

[ImKobe]

Yes, yes it is... You think the gap between MJ and Kobe/Duncan is close? ITS NOT.

Unless they do something better than they did their entire careers, which is entirely out of the room of possibility, they have NO CHANCE AT GOAT...

the gap is huge. Why would Timmy go up with what he's doing right now?

You're one of his biggest haters and now go bi-polar mode once again saying he could have a case for GOAT?

You're obviously very confused. I worry about your future.

umm hello? Duncan leading teams to titles at age 38+? That's something no other all-time great has done in a leading role, Kareem did win a Finals MVP at 37 years of age, but we all knew Magic was the best player on that team. Plus, Duncan would be winning rings by beating guys like Dirk, KD, Lebron in the Playoffs, those guys are all top 20-30 by the time they retire with Dirk & Lebron obviously in the top 20 already.

Kobe already has 5 rings & 7 Finals appearances and has led a team to 3 straight Finals with only one all-star (2008 he led a team to a Finals with no other all-star on the roster). If he manages to win 7 rings with 4 FMVPs and he has some all-time great series performances in him, he's going to be on that level. It only takes one great season for Kobe to already be in that convo and you know it.

Kobe & Duncan are closer to getting to MJ's tier than Lebron is while Lebron is obviously on a much better pace, but he has to get to at least 4 before we seriously start discussing it. 3 rings & a 3-peat will not put you on MJ's level, especially after what happened in 2011.

[masonanddixon]

From 2005-2007 Kobe was better than peak/prime Jordan.

[Warfan]

He literally gave you everything you'd want out of a player when it comes to entertainment:

- high-flying dunks
- fancy layups
- crazy circus shots you see no one else attempting
- 30-feet fadeaways
- complete post game, from Kareem skyhook to MJ's fadeaway to Dirk's one-legged fadeaway, Hakeem's dream shake
- clutch games - he will have 15-20 point 4th quarters, where he might dump three straight 3's in a row, they can be all contested and off-balance
- passing - probably the most underrated part of his game, he will give you 8+ assist games with crazy behind-the-back or between the legs passes
- dribbling - his dribbles are very deceptive, he can dribble with the best of them, some of his crossovers are just godlike
- drama - you know Kobe will always speak his mind and say things that will crash down the forums due to server overload, not a day goes by when you don't see another Kobe thread(hey-oh!)

You can watch his highlights for days, they are all spectacular:

Clutch shots/tough shots(that big balls dance on the Spurs :oldlol: )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us5QIvuahx4
Passing highlights from the 2012-13 season, when he played point guard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQljOAaAdrM
crazy dunks(the man can fly)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_lMX39ASls
crossovers(don't get no better than this), ankle insurance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF7sVsEgsp4
15 minutes of Kobe's defensive highlights (that perimeter D)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uglEL2GLnAU


only nikka that can come close to this is MJ in terms of highlights & entertainment value.

:bowdown: :bowdown:

I liked watching AI, mj, wade and tmac more than kobe, but prime kobe was amazing to watch :applause:

[ImKobe]

From 2005-2007 Kobe was better than peak/prime Jordan.

It's debatable. He was certainly on that level. I know Lebron stans will only care about box scores and they will disregard the game footage itself. Kobe from 05-07 hands down GOAT entertainment. We talk about his 60+ point games from that era, but check this shit out: 52 pts on 73% shooting (30 pts in the 3rd) against Utah(80%TS, 162 ORTG) :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: on prime AK47

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax42Lbc-igs

[ArbitraryWater]

From 2005-2007 Kobe was better than peak/prime Jordan.



































































































































































































































































































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[ImKobe]

I want more Kobe highlights

Well let me help you out lil nikka

40 points in one half against the Clippers after a horrible 1st half (50 points total) :bowdown: :bowdown: and he also hits the game-winner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCiLuE2twKk

this nikka hands down plays like a GOAT when you piss him off

[ArbitraryWater]

Well let me help you out lil nikka

40 points in one half against the Clippers after a horrible 1st half (50 points total) :bowdown: :bowdown: and he also hits the game-winner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCiLuE2twKk

this nikka hands down plays like a GOAT when you piss him off

:oldlol: :cheers:

Tbh I love that game... those shots he made in the 2nd half DAYUMMMMMM should have included that in the OP..

Of course I was a bit disappointed when I realized that he still shot just 17-41 41% to get 50 but I guess that's Kobe lmfao

[masonanddixon]

It's debatable. He was certainly on that level. I know Lebron stans will only care about box scores and they will disregard the game footage itself. Kobe from 05-07 hands down GOAT entertainment. We talk about his 60+ point games from that era, but check this shit out: 52 pts on 73% shooting (30 pts in the 3rd) against Utah(80%TS, 162 ORTG) :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: on prime AK47

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax42Lbc-igs

04-05 he had that string of 40 point games
Then 05-06 he had 81 and then 63 against dallas (I saw that game at Staples).

Pretty much all the players were saying he was at Jordan's level at that point.

He could do it at all. Incredible footwork and fundamentals.

[K Xerxes]

It's debatable. He was certainly on that level. I know Lebron stans will only care about box scores and they will disregard the game footage itself. Kobe from 05-07 hands down GOAT entertainment. We talk about his 60+ point games from that era, but check this shit out: 52 pts on 73% shooting (30 pts in the 3rd) against Utah(80%TS, 162 ORTG) :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: on prime AK47

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax42Lbc-igs

It's not.

You can drivel on about GOAT entertainment all you want, but peak Jordan was another few levels above peak Kobe in terms of actual ability and impact.

Ever notice how all of Kobe's worshipped high scoring games are in the regular season?

[aj1987]

From 2005-2007 Kobe was better than peak/prime Jordan.
Altfag pretending to be a surgeon. :oldlol:

Peak MJ would've made Kobe cry, btw.

[ArbitraryWater]

04-05 he had that string of 40 point games
Then 05-06 he had 81 and then 63 against dallas (I saw that game at Staples).

Pretty much all the players were saying he was at Jordan's level at that point.

He could do it at all. Incredible footwork and fundamentals.

Kobe was shit in 04-05.. that string came in 03, youngin'

[Warfan]

It's not.

You can drivel on about GOAT entertainment all you want, but peak Jordan was another few levels above peak Kobe in terms of actual ability and impact.

Ever notice how all of Kobe's worshipped high scoring games are in the regular season?

I think bran has the same amount of 40 point games in the playoffs than bean. Kind of funny since lebron isn't considered a scorer by a lot of people while kobe is constantly praised for his scoring prowess.

[ImKobe]

It's not.

You can drivel on about GOAT entertainment all you want, but peak Jordan was another few levels above peak Kobe in terms of actual ability and impact.

Ever notice how all of Kobe's worshipped high scoring games are in the regular season?

Kobe plays more all-around in the Playoffs and doesn't attempt as many shots in general. Kobe had back-to-back 45+ point 10+ rebound games while playing with Shaq in the 2001 Playoffs. FOH with the Kobe hate.

30/6/6/2 for his 3 straight Finals runs from 08-10. Kobe could do what MJ did, impact is surely debatable because the eras & the rules are different, but Kobe was already balling before the handchecking rules were changed. The early 2000s was a tough defensive era and Kobe put up 33/7/7 on the 2nd best defensive team of that era in the Playoffs.

I never said that Kobe was better than MJ or that he had an identical impact. I just said he was the most entertaining player to watch during his prime, which I believe to be true because a) MJ's most entertaining games are from the 80s and early 90s, a lot of them are forgotten and many of the available are not in great quality and b) Kobe was a one man show during his full prime, we saw every bit of him and he had so many classic games

[ImKobe]

I think bran has the same amount of 40 point games in the playoffs than bean. Kind of funny since lebron isn't considered a scorer by a lot of people while kobe is constantly praised for his scoring prowess.

Half of Kobe's playoff career he shared touches with another 25+ ppg scorer, it's hard to have more 40+ point games when you play in a tougher conference and you have to share touches with another player getting a near equal usage rate. You're not going to score 40+ that many times.

Lebron has the luck of playing in a weaker conference, where he could chuck a lot of shots against poor EC teams in the POs. For instance, the 06 Lakers would have been at least a 5th seed in the EC POs, he would have certainly had many chances to score 50+ on those teams on the way to the ECF. I think the Lakers would have won 50+ games in the RS during that period because EC only had two good teams and you give LA more games against poor EC teams, they are going to win at least 5 more games than they did in the West.

[Mr Feeny]

Too bad you can't make a thread called "Kobe is the GOAT" otherwise you'd be quick labeled an Idiot... soooo you're left with "most entertaining" ..

http://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/obamanotbad.jpg

:applause:

[ArbitraryWater]

Half of Kobe's playoff career he shared touches with another 25+ ppg scorer, it's hard to have more 40+ point games when you play in a tougher conference and you have to share touches with another player getting a near equal usage rate. You're not going to score 40+ that many times.

Lebron has the luck of playing in a weaker conference, where he could chuck a lot of shots against poor EC teams in the POs. For instance, the 06 Lakers would have been at least a 5th seed in the EC POs, he would have certainly had many chances to score 50+ on those teams on the way to the ECF. I think the Lakers would have won 50+ games in the RS during that period because EC only had two good teams and you give LA more games against poor EC teams, they are going to win at least 5 more games than they did in the West.


This entire post is just.. ughhhhh

How about the fact that Kobe takes more shot attempts?

Damn, that burden playing among the most dominant player of all time.. what a shame. How bad would LeBron look next to Shaq?

[Mr Feeny]

Half of Kobe's playoff career he shared touches with another 25+ ppg scorer, it's hard to have more 40+ point games when you play in a tougher conference and you have to share touches with another player getting a near equal usage rate. You're not going to score 40+ that many times.

Lebron has the luck of playing in a weaker conference, where he could chuck a lot of shots against poor EC teams in the POs. For instance, the 06 Lakers would have been at least a 5th seed in the EC POs, he would have certainly had many chances to score 50+ on those teams on the way to the ECF. I think the Lakers would have won 50+ games in the RS during that period because EC only had two good teams and you give LA more games against poor EC teams, they are going to win at least 5 more games than they did in the West.

The EC? Like the Pistons and T.Prince who held Kobe to 38% shooting only to be torched by Wade and Kobe?

Or 2009 Magic, who again Lebron played much better against than Kobe did?

[alexd]

He literally gave you everything you'd want out of a player when it comes to entertainment:

- high-flying dunks
- fancy layups
- crazy circus shots you see no one else attempting
- 30-feet fadeaways
- complete post game, from Kareem skyhook to MJ's fadeaway to Dirk's one-legged fadeaway, Hakeem's dream shake
- clutch games - he will have 15-20 point 4th quarters, where he might dump three straight 3's in a row, they can be all contested and off-balance
- passing - probably the most underrated part of his game, he will give you 8+ assist games with crazy behind-the-back or between the legs passes
- dribbling - his dribbles are very deceptive, he can dribble with the best of them, some of his crossovers are just godlike
- drama - you know Kobe will always speak his mind and say things that will crash down the forums due to server overload, not a day goes by when you don't see another Kobe thread(hey-oh!)

You can watch his highlights for days, they are all spectacular:

Clutch shots/tough shots(that big balls dance on the Spurs :oldlol: )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us5QIvuahx4
Passing highlights from the 2012-13 season, when he played point guard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQljOAaAdrM
crazy dunks(the man can fly)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_lMX39ASls
crossovers(don't get no better than this), ankle insurance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF7sVsEgsp4
15 minutes of Kobe's defensive highlights (that perimeter D)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uglEL2GLnAU
Twelve 3-pointers & 45 points against Seattle in 03
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeKCkBQ1GWE

only nikka that can come close to this is MJ in terms of highlights & entertainment value.
although i m not a big fan of his i gotta say he had some amazing highlights.i still remember watching him vs the suns and the shot he made on G.Hill was freaking amazing
he has to be one of the best at making unbelievable shots.He can make you go wow but when he misses you are like wtf is he doing.He has a mentality of swings big misses big

[JohnMax]

How is Kobe more entertaining than:

Derrick Rose
Russell Westbrook
Blake Griffin
Kevin Durant
Steph Curry

[Uncle Drew]

Entertainment is subjective. I for one prefer fundamental plays over dunks, fancy layups and iso's.

[K Xerxes]

Kobe plays more all-around in the Playoffs and doesn't attempt as many shots in general. Kobe had back-to-back 45+ point 10+ rebound games while playing with Shaq in the 2001 Playoffs. FOH with the Kobe hate.

He's put up virtually the same numbers in the playoffs as the regular season, but in higher minutes. Meanwhile Jordan upped his production across the board in the playoffs, and has a lot more memorable scoring and all round games in the playoffs. This isn't even debatable. Kobe's lack of post season scoring outbursts isn't based on his sudden desire to play all round basketball; it's that he just wasn't good enough like Jordan when everything was on the line and defenses clamped down. No shame in that.


30/6/6/2 for his 3 straight Finals runs from 08-10. Kobe could do what MJ did, impact is surely debatable because the eras & the rules are different, but Kobe was already balling before the handchecking rules were changed. The early 2000s was a tough defensive era and Kobe put up 33/7/7 on the 2nd best defensive team of that era in the Playoffs.

On an average of 41%. Jordan put up an average of 36-7-8 on 53% in his first 3 finals (all wins), and you're telling me Kobe could do what MJ did? Please, anyone who watched both their prime and peaks knows this isn't a close discussion. And how did the rules and era hurt Kobe's production?

I commend Kobe for balling in 2001 and 2002, especially in the 2001 EC playoffs. But what happened in the 2001 finals?

Kobe doesn't have ONE series close to ANY of Jordan's first 3 finals. Statistically or impact-wise. And it's arguable these are not even the best Jordan series.


I never said that Kobe was better than MJ or that he had an identical impact. I just said he was the most entertaining player to watch during his prime, which I believe to be true because a) MJ's most entertaining games are from the 80s and early 90s, a lot of them are forgotten and many of the available are not in great quality and b) Kobe was a one man show during his full prime, we saw every bit of him and he had so many classic games

For sure, Kobe was one of the most entertaining players in the league, I won't deny that. No one in the 2000s really came close to the incredible scoring outburts he had, and he should be admired for that.

[Warfan]

Half of Kobe's playoff career he shared touches with another 25+ ppg scorer, it's hard to have more 40+ point games when you play in a tougher conference and you have to share touches with another player getting a near equal usage rate. You're not going to score 40+ that many times.

Lebron has the luck of playing in a weaker conference, where he could chuck a lot of shots against poor EC teams in the POs. For instance, the 06 Lakers would have been at least a 5th seed in the EC POs, he would have certainly had many chances to score 50+ on those teams on the way to the ECF. I think the Lakers would have won 50+ games in the RS during that period because EC only had two good teams and you give LA more games against poor EC teams, they are going to win at least 5 more games than they did in the West.

Im not trying to downplay kobes scoring ability or anything. I just think lebrons scoring ability is underrated, a lot of people think he's not that good of a scorer when the guy averages 28ppg (5th best all time, and he has played twice as many games as KD & AI who are ahead of him) on good efficiency in the postseason.

And Lebron has scored 40+ against very good defenses like 07 pistons, 08 Celtics, 09 Magic (I think 3 times), 12 Pacers and the 12 Celtics. So 7/12 of lebrons 40+ playoff games have come against very good defenses. And im pretty sure all those teams won 50+ games.

edit:

just to add, the only teams I can think of that kobe scored 40+ against that were good defensive teams were San Antonio, Orlando in the finals and Sacramento, which totals to like 4 games...

[IMObjective]

It's not.

You can drivel on about GOAT entertainment all you want, but peak Jordan was another few levels above peak Kobe in terms of actual ability and impact.

Ever notice how all of Kobe's worshipped high scoring games are in the regular season?
Because his team was shitty those years during his absolute peak and never had a chance to show off during the playoffs. Yes, it was his own damn fault for running future great sidekick Shaq off the team and gifting him to wade. :mad:

[KOBE143]

Most handsome and sexiest player too.. :bowdown:

[Walker]

Hmm, seem to remember some dude with the nickname "The Human Highlight Film".. wiki it OP, you're clearly not old enough to have ever heard of him :facepalm

[FPJ]

:no:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPVzvf3nPxQ

[Mr Feeny]

:no:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPVzvf3nPxQ

4:10 to 6:10 is just DISGUSTUNG. He's a sick bast@rd:bowdown:

[red1]

in his prime yes he was one of the most entertaining

[aj1987]

:no:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPVzvf3nPxQ
He was so ****ing quick. Even last year, before his knee injury, he was amazing. Especially during the 27 game win streak.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ykWo3TpB40

SMH! If only he hadn't gotten his meniscus removed. :facepalm


How is Kobe more entertaining than:

Derrick Rose
Russell Westbrook
Blake Griffin
Kevin Durant
Steph Curry
Yeah, you've never seen Kobe play. At all. Heck, '13 Kobe was more entertaining then most of those players.

[moe94]

:no:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPVzvf3nPxQ

Wade stans in full effect in the comment section :roll:

[Pointguard]

He literally gave you everything you'd want out of a player when it comes to entertainment:

- high-flying dunks
- fancy layups
- crazy circus shots you see no one else attempting
- 30-feet fadeaways
- complete post game, from Kareem skyhook to MJ's fadeaway to Dirk's one-legged fadeaway, Hakeem's dream shake
- clutch games - he will have 15-20 point 4th quarters, where he might dump three straight 3's in a row, they can be all contested and off-balance
- passing - probably the most underrated part of his game, he will give you 8+ assist games with crazy behind-the-back or between the legs passes
- dribbling - his dribbles are very deceptive, he can dribble with the best of them, some of his crossovers are just godlike
- drama - you know Kobe will always speak his mind and say things that will crash down the forums due to server overload, not a day goes by when you don't see another Kobe thread(hey-oh!)

You can watch his highlights for days, they are all spectacular:

Clutch shots/tough shots(that big balls dance on the Spurs :oldlol: )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us5QIvuahx4
Passing highlights from the 2012-13 season, when he played point guard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQljOAaAdrM
crazy dunks(the man can fly)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_lMX39ASls
crossovers(don't get no better than this), ankle insurance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF7sVsEgsp4
15 minutes of Kobe's defensive highlights (that perimeter D)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uglEL2GLnAU
Twelve 3-pointers & 45 points against Seattle in 03
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeKCkBQ1GWE

only nikka that can come close to this is MJ in terms of highlights & entertainment value.

This board (overall) isn't really into entertainment (acrobatics, crossovers, twist, aerial displays, great blocks, stellar penetration, etc): Wade gets no play, Rose is hated on, AI and DocJ get little recognition... . I love those players along with Kobe.

[Dragonyeuw]

Entertainment is subjective. I for one prefer fundamental plays over dunks, fancy layups and iso's.

Agreed. As I've gotten older and appreciate the nuances a little better, I actually appreciate the 'older' Jordan and Kobe more than their younger, highflying selves, even if the latter style is more 'entertaining' to watch( as you say subjective).

[Dragonyeuw]

:no:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPVzvf3nPxQ

Damn, it feels like so long since that I've seen 'that' D-Wade, forgot how explosive he was.

[NuggetsFan]

How is Kobe more entertaining than:

Derrick Rose
Russell Westbrook
Blake Griffin
Kevin Durant
Steph Curry

#8 Kobe was more exciting than those guys IMO. I'm not a Kobe fan, actually the opposite. I have Duncan over him, LeBron will eventually pass him sooner rather than later & he'd be on the backside of my top 10 but you can't deny Kobe has been ridiculous exciting.

I mean people freaked out over Durant's scoring this year, you'd literally expect Kobe to hit 50 at some points in his career every week. He didn't care how much he had to shoot. In his 17 years he's kinda showcased it all. Lockdown D early in his career, flashy chuck fest, elite athletic ability, big shots etc. I mean even as recent as last year I would have laughed at myself saying this but now that he's hurt and kinda irrelevant alot easier to appreciate him as a Nuggets fan :lol

Iverson/Shaq/Vince Carter are some names I'd have over Kobe in his own era in terms of excitement personally.

[VIntageNOvel]

Most handsome and sexiest player too.. :bowdown:

should..not...fap..

[VIntageNOvel]

rather than entertaining OP you should say beautiful,
i mean, you got people who looks awkward as hell when doing their thing

with kobe, everything seems so smooth, his shooting form, dribbling, dunk, even simple lay up is aesthetic, he should replace the logo, kid should watch his video to learn how to do it right

[SCdac]

not as entertaining as this player

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/964507/michael-jordan-o.gif

[Bandito]

It's kinda funny how Kobe is still talked about this board and he's barely played this season:lol

[GODbe]

It's kinda funny how Kobe is still talked about this board and he's barely played this season:lol
GOAT gonna GOAT:pimp:

[kennethgriffin]

But I can make a thread "LeBron might go down as GOAT" and it would be true :cheers:


kobe is 35

lebron is 30


the gap from kobe to 7 rings is 2

the gap from lebron to 7 rings is 5


in 16 healthy seasons before the achillies injury that forced him to miss the last 2 playoffs.... kobe has a championship average of 1 per 3.2 years

in 11 healthy seasons lebron has a championship average of 1 per 5.5 years

meaning lebron is on pace for 7 rings by age 57

kobe is on pace for 7 rings by age 41


odds are....... kobe is the only one out of the 2 with a realistic shot at goat. "with it coming true"

[dubeta]

kobe is 35

lebron is 30


Lmao lebron is 29 while Kobe is turning 36 next month

Nearly 7 years age difference

LeBron already has same number of FMVP and 3 more MVPs while putting up considerably better stats

Even right now its a stretch to say Kobe > LeBron all time, once LeBron is 35 he will already be top 3 all time minimum, while Kobe would be 10-12 and dropping depending on what Duncan, Durant, Anthony Davis do

Deal with it

[kennethgriffin]

Lmao lebron is 29 while Kobe is turning 36 next month

Nearly 7 years age difference

LeBron already has same number of FMVP and 3 more MVPs while putting up considerably better stats

Even right now its a stretch to say Kobe > LeBron all time, once LeBron is 35 he will already be top 3 all time minimum, while Kobe would be 10-12 and dropping depending on what Duncan, Durant, Anthony Davis do

Deal with it


oh i see.. so you're counting kobes age for next season. but not lebrons age for next season.


ok.. its 29 to 35 or 30 to 36


kobes on pace for 7 rings by age 43

lebrons still on pace for 7 rings by age 57



kobes still ahead by an ever loving f*ck load you nitpicking a**clown


:lol

[ArbitraryWater]

kobe is 35

lebron is 30


the gap from kobe to 7 rings is 2

the gap from lebron to 7 rings is 5


in 16 healthy seasons before the achillies injury that forced him to miss the last 2 playoffs.... kobe has a championship average of 1 per 3.2 years

in 11 healthy seasons lebron has a championship average of 1 per 5.5 years

meaning lebron is on pace for 7 rings by age 57

kobe is on pace for 7 rings by age 41


odds are....... kobe is the only one out of the 2 with a realistic shot at goat. "with it coming true"


Solid logic.. can't dispute that. It IS an individual sport.. fact I was gladly reminded of :cheers:

[Heavincent]

How is Kobe more entertaining than:

Derrick Rose
Russell Westbrook
Blake Griffin
Kevin Durant
Steph Curry

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

What are you, 10 years old? Kobe was on 50 point watch every night when he was in his prime. None of those guys come close to what he was doing in the mid 2000's. Durant had that one ridiculous month, but call me when he drops 4 straight 50+ point games, 81 points, or outscores a championship contender all by himself through 3 quarters.

People go apeshit when somebody drops 50 these days. With Kobe, it was just another game.

[ArbitraryWater]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

What are you, 10 years old? Kobe was on 50 point watch every night when he was in his prime. None of those guys come close to what he was doing in the mid 2000's. Durant had that one ridiculous month, but call me when he drops 4 straight 50+ point games, 81 points, or outscores a championship contender all by himself through 3 quarters.

People go apeshit when somebody drops 50 these days. With Kobe, it was just another game.

Ugh, you do know he's saying they're MORE ENTERTAINING, NOT BETTER, more ENTERTAINING.. You can't argue that.

[HOoopCityJones]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

What are you, 10 years old? Kobe was on 50 point watch every night when he was in his prime. None of those guys come close to what he was doing in the mid 2000's. Durant had that one ridiculous month, but call me when he drops 4 straight 50+ point games, 81 points, or outscores a championship contender all by himself through 3 quarters.

People go apeshit when somebody drops 50 these days. With Kobe, it was just another game.

Yup.

Durant said as much during an interview earlier this year, thats how I know the half of ISH who like to talk shit is full of phucking kids, they really think these guys have made any type noise in this league , this dude actually put D-Rose as more exciting, who's arguably the next Brandon Roy. Can't be entertaining from the bench.

Curry better tread lightly , right now he still has momentum from going to that conference Finals a year ago, yet he didn't elevate his Team at all in the Playoffs this year, there were times where Clay looked like more of a factor out there than him. Plus he stunk up the joint in the League's main entertainment event, All Star Game.

I laugh at the notion Blake or Westbrook is more entertaining than Kobe, one is fast and the other can jump out the building, Kobe's been there and done that as far as Dunking , and Westbrook can have the speed , he'll just end up like Rose if he doesn't change his game sooner rather than later, hell Blake too if he keeps trying to headbutt the rim.

Durant's the only one who's done anything of note, making a Finals a coupe years ago, and now an MVP , but as we saw with Lebron that shit wont be enough for long, people only respect rings and FMVPs.

[ralph_i_el]

He literally gave you everything you'd want out of a player when it comes to entertainment:

- high-flying dunks
- fancy layups
- crazy circus shots you see no one else attempting
- 30-feet fadeaways
- complete post game, from Kareem skyhook to MJ's fadeaway to Dirk's one-legged fadeaway, Hakeem's dream shake
- clutch games - he will have 15-20 point 4th quarters, where he might dump three straight 3's in a row, they can be all contested and off-balance
- passing - probably the most underrated part of his game, he will give you 8+ assist games with crazy behind-the-back or between the legs passes
- dribbling - his dribbles are very deceptive, he can dribble with the best of them, some of his crossovers are just godlike
- drama - you know Kobe will always speak his mind and say things that will crash down the forums due to server overload, not a day goes by when you don't see another Kobe thread(hey-oh!)

You can watch his highlights for days, they are all spectacular:

Clutch shots/tough shots(that big balls dance on the Spurs :oldlol: )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us5QIvuahx4
Passing highlights from the 2012-13 season, when he played point guard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQljOAaAdrM
crazy dunks(the man can fly)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_lMX39ASls
crossovers(don't get no better than this), ankle insurance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF7sVsEgsp4
15 minutes of Kobe's defensive highlights (that perimeter D)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uglEL2GLnAU
Twelve 3-pointers & 45 points against Seattle in 03
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeKCkBQ1GWE

only nikka that can come close to this is MJ in terms of highlights & entertainment value.

Then you actually watch a game instead of youtube clips and he takes :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm shots


Also the amount of "Ringz!!!!!1!" in this thread is appalling

[Soundwave]

His game is 90% patterned after Jordan's so sure, it's going to obviously lend itself to a good entertainment value.

But to say that he plays like Kareem or something is just laughable because he maybe did a sky hook four times in his career. That's like saying Shaq combined the best of Magic and Wilt because he did a no look pass a few times in his career.

[Nevaeh]

Agreed. As I've gotten older and appreciate the nuances a little better, I actually appreciate the 'older' Jordan and Kobe more than their younger, highflying selves, even if the latter style is more 'entertaining' to watch( as you say subjective).


This Jordan 5 hour video ends any discussion on who was more "entertaining" imo. College MJ damn near had a career's worth of highlights himself, when compared to the average player. Great great tribute video.

I also favor "fade away MJ" as well. He was just smooth with it, while still maintaining his college fundamentals.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42OzpZB0bqA

[Heavincent]

Ugh, you do know he's saying they're MORE ENTERTAINING, NOT BETTER, more ENTERTAINING.. You can't argue that.

Anybody who says those guys are more entertaining than Kobe are most likely new to the NBA. Blake does some cool dunks, Westbrook does...Westbrook stuff, and Curry is a lights out shooter, but none of them are doing the type of shit that Kobe was doing.

Kobe kind of reminds me of Barry Bonds when he was hitting all of those home runs into the pacific ocean and shit. ESPN would stop whatever they were doing and cut to the game when Bonds was at the plate. It was the same type of thing with Kobe. 50 point watch every night.

[Real14]

I say Iverson and Jordan are:applause:

[ImKobe]

I say Iverson and Jordan are:applause:

I definitely think AI, Kobe, Wade, Jordan are in the same tier in terms of entertainment value. You want to see every second of them when you know the game is on. I love me some Wade.

This thread itself shows how relevant Mr.Bryant is - he played 6 sorry ass games about 7 months ago and he gets talked about at least as much as the best player in the league who's currently on a "historic" playoff run.

People can't stop and won't stop talking about this man.

While you Lebron fans are waiting for Kobe's return, peep this near 30-minute Playoff highlight video from Kobe's 08-12 Playoff runs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy5csF3Mc20




This thread is not about Kobe vs. your favorite player, it's about Kobe being the most entertaining player ever, which is obviously my opinion and it's okay if you think differently, but I stated my reasons as to why and I think it's a pretty good pick.

this is priceless - Kobe crosses scottie, the supposed GOAT perimeter defender while MJ's smiling from the sidelines

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPAHO90vcG8

[j3lademaster]

I definitely think AI, Kobe, Wade, Jordan are in the same tier in terms of entertainment value. You want to see every second of them when you know the game is on. I love me some Wade.

This thread itself shows how relevant Mr.Bryant is - he played 6 sorry ass games about 7 months ago and he gets talked about at least as much as the best player in the league who's currently on a "historic" playoff run.

People can't stop and won't stop talking about this man.

While you Lebron fans are waiting for Kobe's return, peep this near 30-minute Playoff highlight video from Kobe's 08-12 Playoff runs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy5csF3Mc20of course he's going to be talked about, he's a global icon. He'll be talked about long after he's retired too.

I do miss Kobe. I miss when 25+ ppg scorers actually tried to make field goals rather than get inside the lane and fish for fouls. Not that Kobe didn't have his fair share of flops but man it's on a whole new level nowdays.

[ImKobe]

of course he's going to be talked about, he's a global icon. He'll be talked about long after he's retired too.

I do miss Kobe. I miss when 25+ ppg scorers actually tried to make field goals rather than get inside the lane and fish for fouls. Not that Kobe didn't have his fair share of flops but man it's on a whole new level nowdays.

Kobe certainly knew when to flop, but you don't see flopping highlights of him because he did it the smart way, he got opposing players rattled and he sold some shots well to get his team the advantage, but he never went out of his way like Harden or Lebron do.

Kobe's the kind of player that tries to win it his way - he never cared about efficiency. And his career fg% is only 4% below Jordan's, which is actually pretty good for a guy that's mainly a jump shooter and takes horrible shots all game. I love Kobe because you'll never get tired of watching him. Lebron is only exciting when he's going to his mid-range game and he gets hot, his basic layups and dunks really aren't that interesting to me.

[Dragonyeuw]

This Jordan 5 hour video ends any discussion on who was more "entertaining" imo. College MJ damn near had a career's worth of highlights himself, when compared to the average player. Great great tribute video.

I also favor "fade away MJ" as well. He was just smooth with it, while still maintaining his college fundamentals.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42OzpZB0bqA

Yeah I started watching that video some time ago, I need to finish it. Thanks for the reminder :cheers:

[nathanjizzle]

But I can make a thread "LeBron might go down as GOAT" and it would be true :cheers:

no you cant:facepalm that ship has already sailed.

[Paul George 24]

He literally gave you everything you'd want out of a player when it comes to entertainment:

- high-flying dunks
- fancy layups
- crazy circus shots you see no one else attempting
- 30-feet fadeaways
- complete post game, from Kareem skyhook to MJ's fadeaway to Dirk's one-legged fadeaway, Hakeem's dream shake
- clutch games - he will have 15-20 point 4th quarters, where he might dump three straight 3's in a row, they can be all contested and off-balance
- passing - probably the most underrated part of his game, he will give you 8+ assist games with crazy behind-the-back or between the legs passes
- dribbling - his dribbles are very deceptive, he can dribble with the best of them, some of his crossovers are just godlike
- drama - you know Kobe will always speak his mind and say things that will crash down the forums due to server overload, not a day goes by when you don't see another Kobe thread(hey-oh!)

You can watch his highlights for days, they are all spectacular:

Clutch shots/tough shots(that big balls dance on the Spurs :oldlol: )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us5QIvuahx4
Passing highlights from the 2012-13 season, when he played point guard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQljOAaAdrM
crazy dunks(the man can fly)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_lMX39ASls
crossovers(don't get no better than this), ankle insurance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF7sVsEgsp4
15 minutes of Kobe's defensive highlights (that perimeter D)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uglEL2GLnAU
Twelve 3-pointers & 45 points against Seattle in 03
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeKCkBQ1GWE

only nikka that can come close to this is MJ in terms of highlights & entertainment value.

not even close to jordan

[played0ut]

Any top 10 all-time player still active "might" go down as GOAT. Timmy wins this year and he still has two good-great years in him? He could possibly win at least as many titles as MJ, he might not be consensus GOAT, but you'd be able to make a case for him with let's say 6 rings 4 FMVPs and the fact that he's a big man, which instantly makes his impact greater than a wing player's.

Lebron obviously has a chance because he could have 3 titles & a 3-peat before he even turns 30

Kobe could also get back into the race if he returns to his 2012-13 form at 35 years old & with a decent cast, it would give him 3-5 years to win more titles if healthy.

People think short term, you should look at the bigger picture and see that not all is set in stone.

Good job, my man. I like it when obvious fans of a particular player can objectively acknowledge other players' strengths and accomplishments.

:applause: :applause: :applause:



Anyway. I think overall, kobe IS the most entertaining player. His drama and polarizing figure really makes a case, plus his game is aesthetically pleasing.



not as entertaining as this player

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/964507/michael-jordan-o.gif

ooh, I love dat!

[Doctor Rivers]

And not even close to the most effective player ever. :cheers:

not the title of the thread but good job

[masonanddixon]

Kobe was shit in 04-05.. that string came in 03, youngin'

No that was in 2004-2005

[stalkerforlife]

Kobe just has "it." Skill, intelligence, good looks, great personality, etc. He's the most alpha player since MJ and it isn't even close. He never relied on the support of teammates or friends to build him up. He always did his own thing, like a true alpha. True alphas don't need all their friends following them like puppy dogs all over the place.

[Dragonyeuw]

No that was in 2004-2005

The 40 points string of games was in 2003. 2004-2005 was the first post-Shaq year,