Does the Heat make the playoffs without Lebron?

[TAZORAC]

The Heat are a shitty stagnant team without Lebron.

[MavsSuperFan]

In the east probably.

I am not convinced that the 8th seed in the west wouldnt have been the 2nd or 3rd seed in the east.

[Im so nba'd out]

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[Le Shaqtus]

In the East? Easy

[VIntageNOvel]

do they make it to Final is more legit question

[Crafty]

1. Indiana
2. Toronto
3. Nets
4. Miami with the same roster but no Lebron.

[Rubio2Gasol]

They go to the finals.

[All Net]

Not sure how Anybody who watches the heat play can think they would make the Finals without him. It's quite laughable really.

[Flash31]

Yes they make the playoffs.

Though it depends when they don't have LJ anymore(
start of season,middle,towards end)

Lets say at start,
theyll restructure their whole offense to be around the tandem of Wade&Bosh
In which case that team wins at least 55 Games.

Bosh would avg 25,9
Wade would go back to being a 25,5,5 guy

Right now,the Heat offense and defense is structured around LJ and the team plays off of him and to his strengths and caters to him which is why they struggle without him and bc they haven't created a gameplan without LJ

The Heat Could make it to the Finals without him If and only if they restructured the whole team to Wade&Bosh and built and played off them

Bosh wouldn't be a Stretch 4/5 taking 3s and mid range shots as much.
He would be utilized to his streengths an be able to play his game.
I mean instead of Wade&Bosh taking 14 fga
theyd be taking 18-20 each

The only thing is do they get a replacement for LJ or play as is

So

Chalmers/Cole
Wade/Allen
Battier/Beasley/Jones
Bosh/Shard
Birdman/Oden/Haslem

Theyd play mostly in 4th quarters

Wade
Allen
Beasley
Bosh
Shard

Wade and Bosh play better to their strengths without LJ
Instead of LJ being the distributor,main guy,Focused on him
it becomes Wade

A Wade,Bosh pick n po,pick n roll would work very well
and Bosh can have the ball in his hands and do what he wants

They could make the Finals but winning woul be an extremely tough challenge
even more bc of thr lack of versatility,defense,playmaking from
the sf position and aside from Wade

[Rose'sACL]

Wade's career would end though if he has to play 75+ games.

[GODbe]

They'd be a better team without LeBald. Beasley would be a good replacement. He's too ball dominant and he chokes away games for the team with his fake injuries/turnovers/ airball gamewinners etc. Put Beasley on the Heat in 2010 and they'd be on route for a 4-peat right now.

[Rubio2Gasol]

Not sure how Anybody who watches the heat play can think they would make the Finals without him. It's quite laughable really.

Because they would play differently without him? Because Bosh wouldn't have to be a spot up shooter?

The talent level on the team is as good as any other Eastern Conference team.

[Quickening]

Yes they make the playoffs.

Though it depends when they don't have LJ anymore(
start of season,middle,towards end)

Lets say at start,
theyll restructure their whole offense to be around the tandem of Wade&Bosh
In which case that team wins at least 55 Games.

Bosh would avg 25,9
Wade would go back to being a 25,5,5 guy

Right now,the Heat offense and defense is structured around LJ and the team plays off of him and to his strengths and caters to him which is why they struggle without him and bc they haven't created a gameplan without LJ

The Heat Could make it to the Finals without him If and only if they restructured the whole team to Wade&Bosh and built and played off them

Bosh wouldn't be a Stretch 4/5 taking 3s and mid range shots as much.
He would be utilized to his streengths an be able to play his game.
I mean instead of Wade&Bosh taking 14 fga
theyd be taking 18-20 each

The only thing is do they get a replacement for LJ or play as is

So

Chalmers/Cole
Wade/Allen
Battier/Beasley/Jones
Bosh/Shard
Birdman/Oden/Haslem

Theyd play mostly in 4th quarters

Wade
Allen
Beasley
Bosh
Shard

Wade and Bosh play better to their strengths without LJ
Instead of LJ being the distributor,main guy,Focused on him
it becomes Wade

A Wade,Bosh pick n po,pick n roll would work very well
and Bosh can have the ball in his hands and do what he wants

They could make the Finals but winning woul be an extremely tough challenge
even more bc of thr lack of versatility,defense,playmaking from
the sf position and aside from Wade

Hilarious... you're speaking as though this is 06 Wade, he isn't capable of playing long minutes for 70 plus games any more, which would be needed without Lebron.

[Bandito]

THey do, they are good enough to make the playoff and win maybe a couple of rounds. THe main question should be, can they win it all?

[Bandito]

Yes they make the playoffs.

Though it depends when they don't have LJ anymore(
start of season,middle,towards end)

Lets say at start,
theyll restructure their whole offense to be around the tandem of Wade&Bosh
In which case that team wins at least 55 Games.

Bosh would avg 25,9
Wade would go back to being a 25,5,5 guy

Right now,the Heat offense and defense is structured around LJ and the team plays off of him and to his strengths and caters to him which is why they struggle without him and bc they haven't created a gameplan without LJ

The Heat Could make it to the Finals without him If and only if they restructured the whole team to Wade&Bosh and built and played off them

Bosh wouldn't be a Stretch 4/5 taking 3s and mid range shots as much.
He would be utilized to his streengths an be able to play his game.
I mean instead of Wade&Bosh taking 14 fga
theyd be taking 18-20 each

The only thing is do they get a replacement for LJ or play as is

So

Chalmers/Cole
Wade/Allen
Battier/Beasley/Jones
Bosh/Shard
Birdman/Oden/Haslem

Theyd play mostly in 4th quarters

Wade
Allen
Beasley
Bosh
Shard

Wade and Bosh play better to their strengths without LJ
Instead of LJ being the distributor,main guy,Focused on him
it becomes Wade

A Wade,Bosh pick n po,pick n roll would work very well
and Bosh can have the ball in his hands and do what he wants

They could make the Finals but winning woul be an extremely tough challenge
even more bc of thr lack of versatility,defense,playmaking from
the sf position and aside from WadeI agree with everything this guy said.

[rule1223]

they make the finals in the east easily, both bosh and wade have made it playoffs with much less and without lebron ball dominating, they are still capable of playing at a high level. Not to mention they almost beat the top seed in the east playing with a must win mentality with lebron scoring only 7 points. Do they make the finals is a more reasonable question.

[Blue&Orange]

Not sure how Anybody who watches the heat play can think they would make the Finals without him. It's quite laughable really.
Lebron scores 7 points, Paul George scores 37 points and the Heat almost win in away game with less effort.

The only laughable thing it's the notion the Heat aren't stacked.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Lebron scores 7 points, Paul George scores 37 points and the Heat almost win in away game with less effort.

The only laughable thing it's the notion the Heat aren't stacked.
Lebron scores 49 pts and the Heat barely beat the Nets.

Anyways, it would all depend in Wades health. They make the playoffs but don't beat the Nets

[SCdac]

They'd be ok, maybe make the playoffs, but lets not discredit Lebron... he lead the Heat in scoring, assists, rebounds, steals, free-throws made, and minutes. Not many players in history could do that.

[longtime lurker]

The easily make the ECF without Lebron. Hell replace Lebron with Carmelo and they're still a shoe in for the finals.

[Bandito]

The easily make the ECF without Lebron. Hell replace Lebron with Carmelo and they're still a shoe in for the finals.
They will need a good playmaker for that to happen.

[TheMan]

Of course they do, they're a 50+ win team without LeBron. They might even be a Finals team with how weak the East is but I don't think they'd beat SA. Unlike idiots like Round Rock or whatever the fvck his name is who uses the 55 win 94 Bulls to knock MJ, LeBron makes the Heat legit championship contenders, without him, they're just another good playoff team. 90s MJ-less Bulls = just another good playoff team, MJ Bulls = legit title contender. This concept seems hard to grasp for the less intelligent among us like LeBirdbrain...

[JT123]

Honestly the Heat would be lucky to win one round without Lebron. Wade was far from impressive in that Charlotte series, and good luck relying on Bosh to win you a playoff series. :lol
Anyone who thinks Wade is still capable of averaging 25 ppg over a FULL season is delusional. :facepalm Wade is still capable of having a big game or big quarter every now and then, but he is no longer capable of being a dominant player on a consistent basis. Game 5 of the Indiana series and game 1 of the Finals proved this. In both games he had a great first half, then completely disappeared in the second half when his team needed him.

[DMV2]

They should still get 49-50 wins, which is good enough to be 2nd seed.

[Rocketswin2013]

Of course they do, they're a 50+ win team without LeBron. They might even be a Finals team with how weak the East is but I don't think they'd beat SA. Unlike idiots like Round Rock or whatever the fvck his name is who uses the 55 win 94 Bulls to knock MJ, LeBron makes the Heat legit championship contenders, without him, they're just another good playoff team. 90s MJ-less Bulls = just another good playoff team, MJ Bulls = legit title contender. This concept seems hard to grasp for the less intelligent among us like LeBirdbrain...
Lol..........So they only lose 4 games more AT WORST without LeBron.....

Think about what you just said....LeBron only improves their record by at best 4 wins?.......

[Soundwave]

In regular season wins I think the drop off actually wouldn't be that far at all, just because I don't think Wade or Bosh particularly play great with LeBron, they both really have had to limit their games to suit his game.

Free of LeBron they'd be able to play more of their natural game's.

Having said that though, they wouldn't be nearly as dangerous of a team in a playoff series.

[JT123]

Of course they do, they're a 50+ win team without LeBron. They might even be a Finals team with how weak the East is but I don't think they'd beat SA. Unlike idiots like Round Rock or whatever the fvck his name is who uses the 55 win 94 Bulls to knock MJ, LeBron makes the Heat legit championship contenders, without him, they're just another good playoff team. 90s MJ-less Bulls = just another good playoff team, MJ Bulls = legit title contender. This concept seems hard to grasp for the less intelligent among us like LeBirdbrain...
I don't know how anyone who watched that Brooklyn series thinks the Heat could win the East without Lebron. :oldlol:
Also, they barely won 54 games WITH Lebron, so I have no idea how you think a crippled Wade and soft as cottonelle tissue Bosh are going to win 50 games. :confusedshrug:

[Rocketswin2013]

LeBron James is the single reason Wade even healthy in the playoffs right now. If LeBron were not on that team do you think for one moment wade would be able to take half the season off?Take LeBron off that team and Wade wouldn't even make it to the all-star break having to start every night. He'd be out for the season by March at best.... Like....Think... :facepalm:

[HOoopCityJones]

In the East?

They'd manage a 4th seed.

[Fudge]

ECF, at the very least.

They definitely get past the Bobcats and Nets this year.

They can possibly push Indy to 7. Don't know who would win doe.

[funnystuff]

Yes they make the playoffs.

Though it depends when they don't have LJ anymore(
start of season,middle,towards end)

Lets say at start,
theyll restructure their whole offense to be around the tandem of Wade&Bosh
In which case that team wins at least 55 Games.

Bosh would avg 25,9
Wade would go back to being a 25,5,5 guy

Right now,the Heat offense and defense is structured around LJ and the team plays off of him and to his strengths and caters to him which is why they struggle without him and bc they haven't created a gameplan without LJ

The Heat Could make it to the Finals without him If and only if they restructured the whole team to Wade&Bosh and built and played off them

Bosh wouldn't be a Stretch 4/5 taking 3s and mid range shots as much.
He would be utilized to his streengths an be able to play his game.
I mean instead of Wade&Bosh taking 14 fga
theyd be taking 18-20 each

The only thing is do they get a replacement for LJ or play as is

So

Chalmers/Cole
Wade/Allen
Battier/Beasley/Jones
Bosh/Shard
Birdman/Oden/Haslem

Theyd play mostly in 4th quarters

Wade
Allen
Beasley
Bosh
Shard

Wade and Bosh play better to their strengths without LJ
Instead of LJ being the distributor,main guy,Focused on him
it becomes Wade

A Wade,Bosh pick n po,pick n roll would work very well
and Bosh can have the ball in his hands and do what he wants

They could make the Finals but winning woul be an extremely tough challenge
even more bc of thr lack of versatility,defense,playmaking from
the sf position and aside from Wade
Great example of a Heat fan that's still salty about Wade deferring.

[JT123]

LeBron James is the single reason Wade even healthy in the playoffs right now. If LeBron were not on that team do you think for one moment wade would be able to take half the season off?Take LeBron off that team and Wade wouldn't even make it to the all-star break having to start every night. He'd be out for the season by March at best.... Like....Think... :facepalm:
:applause:

[Flash31]

[JT123]I don't know how anyone who watched that Brooklyn series thinks the Heat could win the East without Lebron. :oldlol:
Also, they barely won 54 games WITH Lebron, so I have no idea how you think a crippled Wade and soft as cottonelle tissue Bosh are going to win 50 games. :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]



They won 54 games COASTING and resting for the playoffs

Wade and Scrubs won 50 games before

The year before they won 66
this year they rested and wanted to be ready for the playoffs hence their record.

It's like for ex the OKC Thunder--they are better With Westbrook but without him they were still winning games bc the offense was catered around KD
The LAC---better with CP3 yet still won a lot of games without him


Hell if you're going by rec,The Bull and Pacers are very good teams every year
The Roc,GS were a great team

The Bulls go hard every season and then come playoff time are gassed due to their reg season an Thibs running players to the ground

[TheMan]

I don't know how anyone who watched that Brooklyn series thinks the Heat could win the East without Lebron. :oldlol:
Also, they barely won 54 games WITH Lebron, so I have no idea how you think a crippled Wade and soft as cottonelle tissue Bosh are going to win 50 games. :confusedshrug:
Weren't Heat fans saying all year long that Bran and the Heat were coasting? Without Bran, other guys step up out of necessity, Wade, Bosh and Allen are still very good offensive players. Without LeBron's contract, the Heat could pick up a legit big to shore up their biggest weakness, like Asik for example...

Stop pretending LeBron is carrying a bunch of D Leaguers:facepalm

[Flash31]

Great example of a Heat fan that's still salty about Wade deferring.


Salty?

No,See I'm not a LJ/Wade stan or a bandwagoner

Winning is Winning.
Mario Chalmers could be Finals MVP,1st option and if they win Great
It's not about the players or stats
All tht matters is the W and the Championship regardless of who's 1st option,"the man".

This isn't a Kobe,Jordan my guy Team mentality
It's a Magic,Russell,Wilt team win mentality

[DMV2]

Wade, Bosh, Allen, Haslem, Birdman, Lewis, Beasley, Chalmers, Cole, Jones is a good core in the East.

Beasley would be a 16-18 PPG on 50% guy with minutes. Beas, Jones and Lewis numbers would be a lot better if given prop minutes.

People are expecting if you take out LeBron, the rest of the cast will play the same minutes and put up the same numbers?

[longtime lurker]

They will need a good playmaker for that to happen.


Hi remember me?

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[J Shuttlesworth]

Weren't Heat fans saying all year long that Bran and the Heat were coasting? Without Bran, other guys step up out of necessity, Wade, Bosh and Allen are still very good offensive players. Without LeBron's contract, the Heat could pick up a legit big to shore up their biggest weakness, like Asik for example...

Stop pretending LeBron is carrying a bunch of D Leaguers:facepalm
Well if you're replacing LeBron with a different player, that's an entirely different question. I still don't see Wade carrying them past Indiana with his health issues. All of the games of the Nets series were close, and I think the Heat could easily lose that series if they had no LeBron

[Haymaker]

Yes they make the playoffs.

Though it depends when they don't have LJ anymore(
start of season,middle,towards end)

Lets say at start,
theyll restructure their whole offense to be around the tandem of Wade&Bosh
In which case that team wins at least 55 Games.

Bosh would avg 25,9
Wade would go back to being a 25,5,5 guy

Right now,the Heat offense and defense is structured around LJ and the team plays off of him and to his strengths and caters to him which is why they struggle without him and bc they haven't created a gameplan without LJ

The Heat Could make it to the Finals without him If and only if they restructured the whole team to Wade&Bosh and built and played off them

Bosh wouldn't be a Stretch 4/5 taking 3s and mid range shots as much.
He would be utilized to his streengths an be able to play his game.
I mean instead of Wade&Bosh taking 14 fga
theyd be taking 18-20 each

The only thing is do they get a replacement for LJ or play as is

So

Chalmers/Cole
Wade/Allen
Battier/Beasley/Jones
Bosh/Shard
Birdman/Oden/Haslem

Theyd play mostly in 4th quarters

Wade
Allen
Beasley
Bosh
Shard

Wade and Bosh play better to their strengths without LJ
Instead of LJ being the distributor,main guy,Focused on him
it becomes Wade

A Wade,Bosh pick n po,pick n roll would work very well
and Bosh can have the ball in his hands and do what he wants

They could make the Finals but winning woul be an extremely tough challenge
even more bc of thr lack of versatility,defense,playmaking from
the sf position and aside from Wade

Agreed.

[DMV2]

They'd beat Bobcats in 6.

If they beat the Nets, it'd be in 7. But they could also lose the series, that's a toss up series.

They'd definitely lose to Indy, especially after how Indy sorta got some their game back.

[Real14]

They will need a good playmaker for that to happen.
stop hating, they would win tha finals with melo.

[Real14]

heat will beat bobcats in 5

beat nets in 6

beat pacers in 7

and maybe lose to spurs.

[JT123]

[JT123]I don't know how anyone who watched that Brooklyn series thinks the Heat could win the East without Lebron. :oldlol:
Also, they barely won 54 games WITH Lebron, so I have no idea how you think a crippled Wade and soft as cottonelle tissue Bosh are going to win 50 games. :confusedshrug:



They won 54 games COASTING and resting for the playoffs

Wade and Scrubs won 50 games before
[/QUOTE]
Dude, that was 5 years ago. :facepalm

[JT123]

Weren't Heat fans saying all year long that Bran and the Heat were coasting? Without Bran, other guys step up out of necessity, Wade, Bosh and Allen are still very good offensive players. Without LeBron's contract, the Heat could pick up a legit big to shore up their biggest weakness, like Asik for example...

Stop pretending LeBron is carrying a bunch of D Leaguers:facepalm
I thought they were coasting early in the year, but by the end of the season they were just playing awful basketball. Losing 14 of your final 25 games is not coasting, especially when the number one seed was up for grabs.
I assumed the argument was this CURRENT Heat roster without Lebron, not take away Lebron and add a few more pieces to replace him. :confusedshrug:

[TheMan]

Well if you're replacing LeBron with a different player, that's an entirely different question. I still don't see Wade carrying them past Indiana with his health issues. All of the games of the Nets series were close, and I think the Heat could easily lose that series if they had no LeBron
Which is what I said in my first post, the Heat are still a good playoffs team without LeBron, they're just not title favorites anymore. That's why I used the 94 Bulls as an example, they were a good team without MJ, a title favorite with him, BIG difference. The Bulls lost in the SECOND round, people act as if they were Finalists if Hue Hollins doesn't make that ghost call. They still had to go through Indiana in the ECFs and then the Rockets. A title was not a sure thing without Hollins horrible call.

A LBJ-less team beats Charlotte, maybe or maybe not they get past the old Nets and probably done vs Indiana (unless they add Asik to counter their biggest weakness).

LeBron less Heat = good playoffs team
LeBron Heat = title favorites


It's really not that hard, folks.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Which is what I said in my first post, the Heat are still a good playoffs team without LeBron, they're just not title favorites anymore. That's why I used the 94 Bulls as an example, they were a good team without MJ, a title favorite with him, BIG difference. The Bulls lost in the SECOND round, people act as if they wrre Finalists if Hue Hollins didn't call that ghost call. They still had to go through Indiana in the ECFs and then the Rockets. A title was not a sure thing without Hollins horrible call.

A LBJ-less team beats Charlotte, maybe or maybe not the get past old Nets and probably done vs Indiana (unless the have Asik to counter their biggest weakness).

LeBron less Heat = good playoffs team
LeBron Heat = title favorites


It's really not that hard, folks.
I don't think they could beat Nets, unless they had a replacement for LBJ. But they'd be a playoff team in the East. In the West? Probably not make the playoffs. They'd have to be competitive in the RS to make the playoffs in the West and Wade's health can't allow for him to play a full RS

[TheMan]

I don't think they could beat Nets, unless they had a replacement for LBJ. But they'd be a playoff team in the East. In the West? Probably not make the playoffs. They'd have to be competitive in the RS to make the playoffs in the West and Wade's health can't allow for him to play a full RS
Then we basically agree :cheers: