Not Sure Why Kobe Fans Even Get Mad About Bron Anymore

[SilkkTheShocker]

Even when the guy was in his flat out prime, people thought 3rd year LeBron was better player. Now it's not even a debate. One of these players has 4 MVPs, 2 Finals MVPs (same as Kobe in way less time), and has played in the last 4 NBA Finals. Not to mention still in his prime and not slowing down. The other one has no signature playoff games, was never the best player in the league at anytime, and some sidekick rings. I mean whats the point of even getting mad anymore? You can only shut your eyes, cover your ears, and keep telling yourself Kobe was a better player for so long. It's gotten to the point where people literally question the intelligence of someone that believes Kobe was ever better :eek: Hell, Kobe isn't even above Duncan or Shaq on the all-time list. :oldlol:

[livinglegend]

They should watch lost finale. The importance of ''letting go''.

[Solefade]

silkk shittin on niqqas :lol


everyone will avoid OP's question

inb4 collusion, 2011, and ray allen

[atljonesbro]

Does anyone aside from the Kobetards have him even in the top 10?

[SilkkTheShocker]

silkk shittin on niqqas :lol


everyone will avoid OP's question

inb4 collusion, 2011, and ray allen

It will definitely be avoided :oldlol:

The problem with Kobe fans is any debate they tear down MVP awards, stats, and actual impact on the court. But things like aesthetics and "eye test" all of a sudden become legit arguments :oldlol:

[IncarceratedBob]

Not sure why anyone would catch feelings about millionaires who do not give a shit about them, it's sad

[BoutPractice]

I'm no Kobe stan, but part of me wishes LeBron loses this year.

If he wins and plays well, they will be forever defeated and LeBron stans will have the monopoly on this place. If he loses after passing up the final shot of G7 to Rashard Lewis, the haters will have something to talk about and balance will be restored.

[PJR]

Does anyone aside from the Kobetards have him even in the top 10?

Kobe's definitely in that discussion. I personally don't have him there, but it's a debate to be had. Dude has scored 30K points, and been an integral piece to 5 NBA title teams. However LeBron is without question better and more impactful than Kobe EVER was. And anyone denying that is simply being disingenuous.

[ImKobe]

Never been mad at Bran, just have taken a few healthy stabs at him over the years to mess with the bandwagoners on forums. Nothing but love for Lebron and what he's done in the league, that game was amazing to watch and I'm glad I witnessed that explosion against the Spurs in Game 2.

You have to be a retard to seriously hate/despise a player because of his fans. I'm a fan of the game and I appreciate all the greats that make it a joy to watch, OP is too caught up in this bs and is probably having an identity crisis anyway.

People are too obsessed with all-time rankings. IDGAF who you think is better than who, my opinion is the only one I'll care about, thank you.

Feel free to PM if I offended you.

[Rooster]

Even when the guy was in his flat out prime, people thought 3rd year LeBron was better player. Now it's not even a debate. One of these players has 4 MVPs, 2 Finals MVPs (same as Kobe in way less time), and has played in the last 4 NBA Finals. Not to mention still in his prime and not slowing down. The other one has no signature playoff games, was never the best player in the league at anytime, and some sidekick rings. I mean whats the point of even getting mad anymore? You can only shut your eyes, cover your ears, and keep telling yourself Kobe was a better player for so long. It's gotten to the point where people literally question the intelligence of someone that believes Kobe was ever better :eek: Hell, Kobe isn't even above Duncan or Shaq on the all-time list. :oldlol:

Lebron will never take a great risk like Kobe.:no:

He joined Bosh and Wade to win championships.:rolleyes:

Kobe got rid of Shaq because he wants to win on his own.:oldlol:

When you take shortcut to greatness:rolleyes:

People will treat you accordingly.:oldlol:

[SilkkTheShocker]

Lebron will never take a great risk like Kobe.:no:

He joined Bosh and Wade to win championships.:rolleyes:

Kobe got rid of Shaq because he wants to win on his own.:oldlol:

When you take shortcut to greatness:rolleyes:

People will treat you accordingly.:oldlol:

Kobe also demanded a trade from the Lakers because he couldn't lead them past the first round.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Not sure why anyone would catch feelings about millionaires who do not give a shit about them, it's sad
exactly. silk is a 40 year old weirdo who posts on here like it's his job. kobe/lebron ain't debatable? then how come you debate about kobe/lebron all day, every day? circumstances puts lebron ahead of kobe and at this point, the "debate" is old and tiresome. keep leading your dream of being a fan of one of the greatest. too bad you'll be known as a fraud in a few years when you'll be rooting for a new team.

[Rooster]

Kobe also demanded a trade from the Lakers because he couldn't lead them past the first round.

At least he did not make a promise :wtf:

And stuck through it and face his problem:applause:

Lebron ran away the very first he got a chance:facepalm

Fight or flight:roll: :roll:

[Bigsmoke]

LeBron left Cleveland to be with the pretty Cuban b'tches and stack up championships. Wise man indeed.:cheers:

[NumberSix]

Does anyone aside from the Kobetards have him even in the top 10?
I think everyone universally agrees he's top 15. Top 10 is debatable.

[J Shuttlesworth]

I'm no Kobe stan, but part of me wishes LeBron loses this year.

If he wins and plays well, they will be forever defeated and LeBron stans will have the monopoly on this place. If he loses after passing up the final shot of G7 to Rashard Lewis, the haters will have something to talk about and balance will be restored.
lol you think if LeBron loses it will really be better? This forum is gonna be full of trolling regardless of the result of the finals. I'll probably post for a couple days after the finals and then come back next season

[Bigsmoke]

At least he did not make a promise :wtf:

And stuck through it and face his problem:applause:

Lebron ran away the very first he got a chance:facepalm

Fight or flight:roll: :roll:


He left because nobody wanted to go there and the organization there is garbage. U can't look back at KGs career and been like "yeah he did the right thing wasting 12 years of his career in a shitty team."

[KungFuJoe]

You can say what you want about whoever, but the moment Lebron joined Wade and Bosh in Miami, he lost any chance of true "greatness".

Lebron is a great player...one of the best ever. In terms of ability and skills.

But in terms of heart (which is how you define a TRUE champion) he has shown that he doesn't just quite have it in that dept.

[DaSeba5]

You can say what you want about whoever, but the moment Lebron joined Wade and Bosh in Miami, he lost any chance of true "greatness".

Lebron is a great player...one of the best ever. In terms of ability and skills.

But in terms of heart (which is how you define a TRUE champion) he has shown that he doesn't just quite have it in that dept.

:wtf:

[3LiftHeatCurse]

People are too obsessed with all-time rankings. IDGAF who you think is better than who, my opinion is the only one I'll care about, thank you.

Feel free to PM if I offended you.

Then why the **** were Laker fans shoving "kobe is better than MJ" down our throats for years?

[Bigsmoke]

You can say what you want about whoever, but the moment Lebron joined Wade and Bosh in Miami, he lost any chance of true "greatness".

Lebron is a great player...one of the best ever. In terms of ability and skills.

But in terms of heart (which is how you define a TRUE champion) he has shown that he doesn't just quite have it in that dept.

LeBron is still beating n*ggaz ass with Wade falling off. Bosh and current Wade is that much of a privilege than Pippen and Rodman?


A 4x MVP and 2x FMVP is a 4x MVP AMD 2x MVP. There is no way around that

[Hey Yo]

Lebron will never take a great risk like Kobe.:no:

He joined Bosh and Wade to win championships.:rolleyes:

Kobe got rid of Shaq because he wants to win on his own.:oldlol:

When you take shortcut to greatness:rolleyes:

People will treat you accordingly.:oldlol:
If he wanted to win on his own, then he would have let the Nets draft him instead of insisting he play for the second best franchise in NBA history.

[houston]

LeBron left Cleveland to be with the pretty Cuban b'tches and stack up championships. Wise man indeed.:cheers:


:applause: :roll:

[scm5]

It's easy to sit back list out Lebron's statistical edge over Kobe or how many accolades he's won, but context matters a lot.

Bosh was considered > Gasol before Gasol went to LA.

Wade was a FMVP that was considered on Kobe's level.

Then when you look at the 3-peat days, Shaq was the most dominant force in basketball and he only won 1 MVP during that time period. Tim Duncan was also beasting during this time period and both him and Shaq were arguably better in their primes than Lebron.

I'm not saying Lebron isn't better than Kobe, I think he definitely has a solid argument for it.

I'm saying that through Lebron's career, his accolades and titles were easier to achieve than Kobe.

[theoneneo]

If scoring over 30k points and winning 5 rings and countless scoring records can't get you in the top 10 then we may have to readjust the whole list. Lol the series isn't over, save the talking for the end.

[PJR]

You can say what you want about whoever, but the moment Lebron joined Wade and Bosh in Miami, he lost any chance of true "greatness".


Only according to morons who believe that the narrative should out weight what's actually happening on the court.

And if you are one of those, just realize that nobody takes you seriously.

[Relinquish]

If he wanted to win on his own, then he would have let the Nets draft him instead of insisting he play for the second best franchise in NBA history.

Nets or Hornets.

[Xoush]

Kobe also demanded a trade from the Lakers because he couldn't lead them past the first round.
Demanding a trade =//= colluding with two other allstars in a weak conference, during a weak era. LeBron is a very good player, but lets not exaggerate.

[Trollsmasher]

Silkk's on a roll:bowdown:

[Knoe Itawl]

Only according to morons who believe that the narrative should out weight what's actually happening on the court.

And if you are one of those, just realize that nobody takes you seriously.

Quite true. These morons live in their own little world, supported by other morons, where if someone just says "Colluded", "Joined 3 other stars in their prime", etc. over and over that it will just nullify whatever Lebron does. Championships won, awards, great performances, etc. It's like a magic wand they think can negate Lebron's whole career.

If they weren't so deluded, they'd recognize it as the desperate attempt to grasp on to something that will stop the continued ascension of a player they dislike, rather than any sort of legitimate argument.

[ImKobe]

Then why the **** were Laker fans shoving "kobe is better than MJ" down our throats for years?

Didn't post here around that time. 09 Kobe was pretty close to MJ and he had a great run, but his body of work falls short to Michael's in nearly every single category.

[IllegalD]

LeBron already has the same amount of Finals losses in half the time. Explain that one? :lol

Pretty pathetic considering Kobe has no athletic advantage over LeBron or Jordan, yes has achieved comparable success.

Also LeBron is doing it going through a historically shit Eastern Conference, and in maybe the weakest era of competition since the 60's.

Also, LeBron has the same amount of HOFs on his "regular team" that Kobe did in his "super duper stacked HOF superteams".

Kobe won 5 rings with the same total amount of HOF players (2: Shaq, Gasol) than LeBron had just for his first ring (2: Wade and Bosh)

Not to mention that Kobe dominated in an decade where these same dynasty Spurs in their prime where at their best with a prime Tim Duncan, not this geriatric version that LeBron is making his "legend" on.

Insecure LeBron stans. :lol

If it was true that LeBron was that much better than Kobe and it wasn't even a discussion you guys wouldn't be making threads about Kobe while LeBron is in the middle of his "legendary run" :roll:

[Leftimage]

LeBron already has the same amount of Finals losses in half the time. Explain that one? :lol

Pretty pathetic considering Kobe has no athletic advantage over LeBron or Jordan, yes has achieved comparable success.

Also LeBron is doing it going through a historically shit Eastern Conference, and in maybe the weakest era of competition since the 60's.

Also, LeBron has the same amount of HOFs on his "regular team" that Kobe did in his "super duper stacked HOF superteams".

Kobe won 5 rings with the same total amount of HOF players (2: Shaq, Gasol) than LeBron had just for his first ring (2: Wade and Bosh)

Not to mention that Kobe dominated in an decade where these same dynasty Spurs in their prime where at their best with a prime Tim Duncan, not this geriatric version that LeBron is making his "legend" on.

Insecure LeBron stans. :lol

If it was true that LeBron was that much better than Kobe and it wasn't even a discussion you guys wouldn't be making threads about Kobe while LeBron is in the middle of his "legendary run" :roll:

And you're calling LeBron stans insecure ?? :lol :lol :lol

http://www.statefansnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/celtics_59_60.jpg

[IllegalD]

And you're calling LeBron stans insecure ?? :lol :lol :lol

http://www.statefansnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/celtics_59_60.jpg

70's: The Golden Era of league parity. 8 different teams managed to win the championship during this era.

80's: You had 4 Top 10 players (Kareem, Magic, Bird, young Jordan) in the league at the same time. You had 2 GOAT dynasties, with both players in their peaks (Magic Lakers and Bird Celtics) dominating the era and keeping each other from winning more in the finals. You had no less than 4 GOAT teams in the era (Magic/Kareem Lakers, Celtic Big 3, Bad Boy Pistons, and the Moses/Dr. J 76ers). 1 GOAT defensive team (Bad Boy Pistons)

90's: Jordan dominated the golden era of Centers (Hakeem, Admiral, Ewing, Mourning, Shaq, Mutombo, Mourning) in a league which historically favors teams with a dominant big-man to win. The level of superstar was superior (The "Dream Team" Era: Stockton, Malone, Drexler, Ewing, Barkley, Robinson, etc.) 2 GOAT defensive team (90's Knicks, 90's Bulls)

2000's: Eerily similar to the 80's you have the overlapping of 4 Top 10 players (Shaq, Duncan, Kobe in their primes, a young LeBron). 2 GOAT dynasties matching each other tit-for-tat in finals appearances/titles (2000's Spurs and 2000's Lakers). The crop of "Next Jordan" swingman clones was the strongest its ever been with prime Kobe, prime Wade, young LeBron, prime TMac, prime Carter, prime Pierce. Even the "non Top 10" superstars of the era managed to go to multiple finals and win a rings (Dirk, KG, Wade, Kidd, Pierce). 3 GOAT defensive teams (2000's Spurs, 2004 Pistons, Big 3/Thibs Celts)

2010's: Golden era of PG's (who historically do not lead championship teams as the best player, with the rare exceptions of Magic [who's a 6'9 freak with PG skills] and Isiah). LeBron's biggest "shadow adversary" is Durant (who might not even be the best player on his own team), and his biggest challenge is an aging Spurs team with a past their peak big 3 from the previous era who's transcendent player is 38. Only GOAT defensive team is the Heat themselves.


:confusedshrug:

[IllegalD]

Funny. Like a typical LeBron-nobslobber you ignored all my other valid points and just focused in on the one thing you could "counter". Like someone trying to win an internet argument by focusing on misspellings.

:rolleyes:

[stalkerforlife]

Kobe's better because of his cojones that led to more rings and NEVER leaving bullets in his gun. Alphas unload their clips like it's a damn western movie.

Bron's stats are padded and meaningless when it comes to GOAT discussion.

That's why Russell > Wilt.

[stalkerforlife]

"I got a goal, and it's a huge goal, and that's to bring an NBA championship here to Cleveland," James said. "And I won't stop until I get it."

He's a quitter. He quit before he even left. He's a beta underneath it all. He will never be better than Kobe and that is a fact.

[GODbe]

So basically what you guys are saying is

1.5* > 5?

Why do you guys insist on beginning the same debate when you know you've already lost? :facepalm

[stalkerforlife]

So basically what you guys are saying is

1.5* > 5?

Why do you guys insist on beginning the same debate when you know you've already lost? :facepalm

Insecure over the collusion, quitting, and cowardice.

[NumberSix]

So basically what you guys are saying is

1.5* > 5?

Why do you guys insist on beginning the same debate when you know you've already lost? :facepalm
No, we're saying 2 > 2*

[MVBallin2K]

You know, this whole discussion along with Kobe and MJ and even Lebron and MJ is so played out by now. I fully believe that some stans simply want attention so they go back to the default playbook of comparing them so they can continue to stay relevant.

Hey, not saying it doesn't work but there is no answer to who's better. It's all subjective and opinion. There is no clear cut answer as to who the GOAT is. Don't blame anyone for thinking it's MJ, Lebron, Kobe, Bill Russell, you name it. If you think they're foolish for it, great but that's their opinion. You can make arguments for a lot of the best players from the various era but I don't watch basketball to trash one player so I can further the agenda of my own favorite. I watch basketball for the love of the game and whether I'm watching Kobe, Lebron, Duncan, Durant, Melo, the list goes on...I watch to appreciate their game not so I can rush on ISH and make a thread whenever they fail. All players fail at some point, true elites are able to come back from that. It's too bad that there are stans from EVERY fanbase who will never see this post or will not care enough to learn from it.

[Real14]

Kobe stay living rent free in Silkkthacocker's head:lol. Kobe fans aint mad cuz they know historically that LeShortcut will never be better than kobe:oldlol:. Silkk living in his own world again:roll:

[stalkerforlife]

Kobe stay living rent free in Silkkthacocker's head:lol. Kobe fans aint mad cuz they know historically that LeShortcut will never be better than kobe:oldlol:. Silkk living in his own world again:roll:

Ether.

[Byobob]

Silk, you mah boy but don't blow your loads too early. As a fellow stan, you must resist making threads like this and wait for our King to get his third.

IF LeGod gets his third, then fire away. Heck, I might join you make countless LeBron>Kobe thread.

[nba_55]

You know, this whole discussion along with Kobe and MJ and even Lebron and MJ is so played out by now. I fully believe that some stans simply want attention so they go back to the default playbook of comparing them so they can continue to stay relevant.

Hey, not saying it doesn't work but there is no answer to who's better. It's all subjective and opinion. There is no clear cut answer as to who the GOAT is. Don't blame anyone for thinking it's MJ, Lebron, Kobe, Bill Russell, you name it. If you think they're foolish for it, great but that's their opinion. You can make arguments for a lot of the best players from the various era but I don't watch basketball to trash one player so I can further the agenda of my own favorite. I watch basketball for the love of the game and whether I'm watching Kobe, Lebron, Duncan, Durant, Melo, the list goes on...I watch to appreciate their game not so I can rush on ISH and make a thread whenever they fail. All players fail at some point, true elites are able to come back from that. It's too bad that there are stans from EVERY fanbase who will never see this post or will not care enough to learn from it.

Great post! :applause:

[Real14]

Silk, you mah boy but don't blow your loads too early. As a fellow stan, you must resist making threads like this and wait for our King to get his third.

IF LeGod gets his third, then fire away. Heck, I might join you make countless LeBron>Kobe thread.
even if he won 3 he still wont be better than Kobe. Be realistic niguh:oldlol:

[Byobob]

even if he won 3 he still wont be better than Kobe. Be realistic niguh:oldlol:


Wilds, you mah boy also. You know that! :cheers:
Let's just agree to disagree. IF IT HAPPENS. :lol :lol

[riseagainst]

i dont know why people still believe Kobe is better than Lebron. Kobe simply is not even close to the player lebron is, or was he ever at lebron's level. Heck, Michael jordan's best isn't even better than Lebron's best.

[LakersFan626]

Even when the guy was in his flat out prime, people thought 3rd year LeBron was better player. Now it's not even a debate. One of these players has 4 MVPs, 2 Finals MVPs (same as Kobe in way less time), and has played in the last 4 NBA Finals. Not to mention still in his prime and not slowing down. The other one has no signature playoff games, was never the best player in the league at anytime, and some sidekick rings. I mean whats the point of even getting mad anymore? You can only shut your eyes, cover your ears, and keep telling yourself Kobe was a better player for so long. It's gotten to the point where people literally question the intelligence of someone that believes Kobe was ever better :eek: Hell, Kobe isn't even above Duncan or Shaq on the all-time list. :oldlol:

Miami winning- more troll threads, and their recent championships have actually made people believe that LeBron>Jordan (Jordan NEVER had a game 7 in the Finals, nor scored 8 points in a Finals game, nor quit on his team in a tied series, and that's not even mentioning Jordan having a much more alpha mentality, having a better jumper, and way better footwork). It was even ridiculous when people were saying Kobe>Jordan when he was winning rings 4 years ago, but I could at least understand it more because he DID have 5 rings and did have more of an alpha mentality than LeBron. Both have had way too many failures to be considered on the same level as MJ (2007 Finals, 2011 Finals, 8 points, 2010 game 5, 7 points, 2003 2nd round, 2004 Finals, 2006 game 7, 2008 Finals, 2011 Mavs sweep). It has nothing to do with LeBron vs. Kobe, at least to me.

[Jacks3]

Heck, Michael jordan's best isn't even better than Lebron's best.
:roll:

[Real14]

i dont know why people still believe Kobe is better than Lebron. Kobe simply is not even close to the player lebron is, or was he ever at lebron's level. Heck, Michael jordan's best isn't even better than Lebron's best.
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[Real14]

Wilds, you mah boy also. You know that! :cheers:
Let's just agree to disagree. IF IT HAPPENS. :lol :lol
you know im right tho man:lol