Who is better alltime Kobe or Manu?

[Booz Vivic]

Be realistic who is better.

[pastis]

Kobe top 10

Dirk top 15

Garnett top 22

Wade top 25-28

ginobili top 45-50

[Budadiiii]

Kobe top 10

Dirk top 15

Garnett top 22

Wade top 25-28

ginobili top 45-50

LeBron top 75
:applause:

[Booz Vivic]

would ginobili be above kobe if he could do 360 slam dunk?

[AnaheimLakers24]

Kobe top 10

Dirk top 15

Garnett top 22

Wade top 25-28

ginobili top 45-50
:applause:

[Budadiiii]

would ginobili be above kobe if he could do 360 slam dunk?
He'd be above LeBron.

LeBron can only do one dunk.

[knicksman]

nice trolling bro. Realgm material. i think ur a bran stan

[Shep]

ginobili was better in 2005 :cheers:

[Real Men Wear Green]

would ginobili be above kobe if he could do 360 slam dunk?
When he was younger I bet he could have. What really separates them is all those 25+ ppg seasons. And now you know.

[JohnnySic]

Kobe top 10

Dirk top 15

Garnett top 22

Wade top 25-28

ginobili top 45-50
Dirk is top 30 at best.

[Element]

as a sixth man? Manu :applause:

[pastis]

Dirk is top 30 at best.

so garnett top 40, wade top 50 and manu top50 than

[kureyşi-gospurs]

I mean prime Manu (and even current Manu) was an absolute beast. But come on man Afrobe is Top 3 at his position while Gino's Top 7-8.

[Akrazotile]

In the regular season? I'd rather take Kobe, because that's about entertainment.

In the playoffs? Would rather have Manu, because that's about impact.

[DCL]

would ginobili be above kobe if he could do 360 slam dunk?

you're either overestimating the hops required for a 360 or badly underestimating the athleticism of prime ginobili. :no:

of course he could bust a 360. probably did it when he was 15 or 16.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Kobe top 10

Dirk top 15

Garnett top 22

Wade top 25-28

ginobili top 45-50

Kobe is top 15

Garnett top 30

Wade top 40

Dirk top 50

Ginobili top 60(or top 50 if he wins FMVP this year)

[HOoopCityJones]

Kobe is top 15

Garnett top 30

Wade top 40

Dirk top 50

Ginobili top 60(or top 50 if he wins FMVP this year)

LOL , name 5 guys better than Kobe not in your Top 10.

[Done_And_Done]

lol @ be realistic

[ThePhantomCreep]

I mean prime Manu (and even current Manu) was an absolute beast. But come on man Afrobe is Top 3 at his position while Gino's Top 7-8.

:lol

Jordan
Kobe
West
Wade
Drexler
Gervin
Iverson
Ray Ray
Dumars
McGrady

[riseagainst]

lol....

If manu was given his own team i can see top 10 SG all time.

[ThePhantomCreep]

lol....

If manu was given his own team i can see top 10 SG all time.

Dude was chronically breaking down as a #3 option playing 28-30 minutes a game. No way could he carry a team as a #1. Not for long anyway.

[pastis]

Kobe is top 15

Garnett top 30

Wade top 40

Dirk top 50

Ginobili top 60(or top 50 if he wins FMVP this year)

you must be nominated for the biggest troll on ish. you have my vote for sure:applause: :applause:

[Clyde]

whaaaat?

this forum never fails to amaze me

[JohnnySic]

so garnett top 40, wade top 50 and manu top50 than
Michael Jordan
Bill Russell
Wilt Chamberlain
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Larry Bird
Magic Johnson
Oscar Robertson
Jerry West
Elgin Baylor
Hakeem Olajuwon
Shaquille O'Neal
Tim Duncan
Kobe Bryant
LeBron James
Moses Malone
Karl Malone
Charles Barkley
John Havlicek
Julius Erving
Kevin Garnett
Isiah Thomas
Bob Pettit
Kevin Durant
Scottie Pippen
David Robinson

There's 25 right there. There are more arguable cases. LOL if you think Dirk is better than them.

[pastis]

Michael Jordan
Bill Russell
Wilt Chamberlain
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Larry Bird
Magic Johnson
Oscar Robertson
Jerry West
Elgin Baylor
Hakeem Olajuwon
Shaquille O'Neal
Tim Duncan
Kobe Bryant
LeBron James
Moses Malone
Karl Malone
Charles Barkley
John Havlicek
Julius Erving
Kevin Garnett
Isiah Thomas
Bob Pettit
Kevin Durant
Scottie Pippen
David Robinson

There's 25 right there. There are more arguable cases. LOL if you think Dirk is better than them.

HAHAHAHAH, HAHAHAHAHAH, HAHAHAH oh dude, opefully you get your own comedy show, you are better than the funniest clown:applause: :applause: :applause:

[r0drig0lac]

Kobe top 10

Dirk top 15

Garnett top 22

Wade top 25-28

ginobili top 45-50
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[Cone]

Dirk is top 30 at best.

dirk is top 20 at worst

kg is top 45 at best

[pastis]

dirk is top 20 at worst

kg is top 45 at best

oh yes! dirk already gave the relay baton Durant. Durant will clearly surpass Dirk in the future, but no shame for Dirk. Durant is the best:applause: :applause:

[dubeta]

Meh, this is actually a tough one

Both were great, but manu was a better passer, and could fit better with a team

Manu is slighty better all-time, meaning Kobe is again pushed back to top 30 :roll:

[Black and White]

Meh, this is actually a tough one

Both were great, but manu was a better passer, and could fit better with a team

Manu is slighty better all-time, meaning Kobe is again pushed back to top 30 :roll:

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Continue to post like this and even Heat fans will disown you

[riseagainst]

Meh, this is actually a tough one

Both were great, but manu was a better passer, and could fit better with a team

Manu is slighty better all-time, meaning Kobe is again pushed back to top 30 :roll:


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[Artillery]

Kobe had the worst Finals performance in NBA history against the Pistons. Ginobili shreds that same Pistons team a year later.

Manu's problem is stamina/endurance. If he could play as much minutes as Kobe, he's easily the better player. Better passer, better defender, better shot selection. The ultimate team player.

[aj1987]

Michael Jordan
Bill Russell
Wilt Chamberlain
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Larry Bird
Magic Johnson
Oscar Robertson
Jerry West
Elgin Baylor
Hakeem Olajuwon
Shaquille O'Neal
Tim Duncan
Kobe Bryant
LeBron James
Moses Malone
Karl Malone
Charles Barkley
John Havlicek
Julius Erving
Kevin Garnett
Isiah Thomas
Bob Pettit
Kevin Durant
Scottie Pippen
David Robinson

There's 25 right there. There are more arguable cases. LOL if you think Dirk is better than them.
Lol @ ranking some of those dudes above Wade and Dirk.

[riseagainst]

Kobe had the worst Finals performance in NBA history against the Pistons. Ginobili shreds that same Pistons team a year later.

Manu's problem is stamina/endurance. If he could play as much minutes as Kobe, he's easily the better player. Better passer, better defender, better shot selection. The ultimate team player.

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[AirFederer]

Durant, Malone, Barkley etc over Dirk and Wade?
Watch their play off & finals performance!
You went full retard here.


Michael Jordan
Bill Russell
Wilt Chamberlain
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Larry Bird
Magic Johnson
Oscar Robertson
Jerry West
Elgin Baylor
Hakeem Olajuwon
Shaquille O'Neal
Tim Duncan
Kobe Bryant
LeBron James
Moses Malone
Karl Malone
Charles Barkley
John Havlicek
Julius Erving
Kevin Garnett
Isiah Thomas
Bob Pettit
Kevin Durant
Scottie Pippen
David Robinson

There's 25 right there. There are more arguable cases. LOL if you think Dirk is better than them.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Kobe had the worst Finals performance in NBA history against the Pistons. Ginobili shreds that same Pistons team a year later.

Manu's problem is stamina/endurance. If he could play as much minutes as Kobe, he's easily the better player. Better passer, better defender, better shot selection. The ultimate team player.

Such stupidity.

By 2000 Kobe was better than Manu ever was.

[aj1987]

Such stupidity.

By 2000 Kobe was better than Manu ever was.
This.

You Kobetards are the worst, but Kobe gets mad disrespected here. Dude is a top 8 GOAT and we're comparing him to a player, who isn't even a top 10 SG?

:facepalm

[Artillery]

Such stupidity.

By 2000 Kobe was better than Manu ever was.

Playoff stats:

2000 Kobe:

19.3 PER
.115 WS/48
.517 TS%
107 ORtg
107 DRtg

2014 Manu:

21.1 PER
.189 WS/48
.585 TS%
113 ORtg
102 DRtg

Replace this year's Manu with 2000 Kobe and I doubt the Spurs make it out of the first round.

[okayabc123]

Playoff stats:

2000 Kobe:

19.3 PER
.115 WS/48
.517 TS%
107 ORtg
107 DRtg

2014 Manu:

21.1 PER
.189 WS/48
.585 TS%
113 ORtg
102 DRtg

Replace this year's Manu with 2000 Kobe and I doubt the Spurs make it out of the first round.
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WTF are you looking at PER, WS/48, TS%, ORtg, DRtg?!?! That's how you judge if player A is better than player B? WOW, how stupid you are.

yr 2000-01 playoff, kobe avg. 29.4 pts, 7.3 reb, 6.1 ast
yr 2013-14 playoff, ginobilli avg. 14.3 pts, 3.3 reb, 4.2 ast

in fact, ginobilli never average above 21pts per in any playoff years and had the impact kobe has had on winning rings.

don't get me wrong ginobilli is a good/great player, but kobe is one of the best. it's comparing apples to oranges.

[chazzy]

Kobe had the worst Finals performance in NBA history against the Pistons. Ginobili shreds that same Pistons team a year later.

Manu's problem is stamina/endurance. If he could play as much minutes as Kobe, he's easily the better player. Better passer, better defender, better shot selection. The ultimate team player.
Damn, lotta help for Duncan

[NumberSix]

Come on now.

[oh the horror]

Lol wut?

[Artillery]

Damn, lotta help for Duncan

Honestly, 2005 Manu was a beast. Unfortunately, Manu's never been able to repeat that performance again. Like I said, stamina/health issues have always been a problem with his career.

If you replaced 2004 Kobe with 2005 Manu, Lakers more than likely beat the Pistons. Shaq would have another Finals MVP too. Unlike Kobe, Manu does a fantastic job running a team's offense - ultimate team player. Kobe's offense consists of lots of bad shots and isoball. Not too different from anybody on the current Thunder actually(which is probably why they're such an unwatchable team)

[COnDEMnED]

In the regular season? I'd rather take Kobe, because that's about entertainment.

In the playoffs? Would rather have Manu, because that's about impact.
LOL

[Artillery]

WTF are you looking at PER, WS/48, TS%, ORtg, DRtg?!?! That's how you judge if player A is better than player B? WOW, how stupid you are.

Impact stats don't favor Kobe either in this comparison:

2000 Kobe:
+1.81 - ORAPM
-1.70 - DRAPM
+0.11 - Combined RAPM

2014 Manu:
+4.46 - ORAPM
+0.79 - DRAPM
+5.26 - Combined RAPM


yr 2000-01 playoff, kobe avg. 29.4 pts, 7.3 reb, 6.1 ast
yr 2013-14 playoff, ginobilli avg. 14.3 pts, 3.3 reb, 4.2 ast

in fact, ginobilli never average above 21pts per in any playoff years and had the impact kobe has had on winning rings.

don't get me wrong ginobilli is a good/great player, but kobe is one of the best. it's comparing apples to oranges.

The person I responded to mentioned 2000 Kobe. Not 2001 Kobe. 2000 Kobe was awful. In fact, I don't think Shaq gets enough credit for carrying the Lakers that year. He was the best offensive and defensive player on the team.

[ZaaaaaH]

Your sister was better all time

[Jacks3]

:oldlol:

[ThePhantomCreep]

Playoff stats:

2000 Kobe:

19.3 PER
.115 WS/48
.517 TS%
107 ORtg
107 DRtg

2014 Manu:

21.1 PER
.189 WS/48
.585 TS%
113 ORtg
102 DRtg

Replace this year's Manu with 2000 Kobe and I doubt the Spurs make it out of the first round.

Goes to show how flawed advanced stats like PER are. The fact that Manu's paltry 12/4/3 averages somehow equals a PER comparable to 1992 Pippen says it all.

Dude had a great playoff run in 2005 and has been living off it ever since. He couldn't carry any version of Kobe's jockstrap after 2000. And unlike Manu, 2000 Kobe didn't have the luxury of playing 25 minutes a night IN THE PLAYOFFS on his ridiculously stacked team, getting half his stats on the other team's subs. Manu might be the most overrated player in history.

[stalkerforlife]

And I got banned for being "unrealistic."

:facepalm

[Rodmantheman]

Is this thread for real I hate kobe and he is easily better then Manu:biggums:

[gts]

The amazing thing about this thread is it's still here...