What's next? Phase 3....

[Rameek]

Phase 1: So the Knicks have the President in Phil Big Chief Triangle)
Phase 2: The Knicks get Fisher

Phase 3 is what to you??? What should be the next focus???

For example;
Is it bringing back Melo
Start looking to add a pick(s)
Dumping players

[el gringos]

:rant
Phase 1: So the Knicks have the President in Phil Big Chief Triangle)
Phase 2: The Knicks get Fisher

Phase 3 is what to you??? What should be the next focus???

For example;
Is it bringing back Melo
Start looking to add a pick(s)
Dumping players

All 3: yes
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I think Carmelo comes back, but what is the plan Phil tries to sell him on? What would Carmelo want? What does Phil want? Is there a combination of those that works for everyone? So many possibilities.


What does Carmelo want? Top shelf talent joining him right? But let's say he picks a guy to join him and wants Rondo. Rondo doesn't fit the triangle, so who wins that?


Phil has the benefit of a fan base that will happily accept throwing another season away for even the slightest hope of bringing in a big name. Does Phil want to try to win now or does he take the easy way out and promise that they'll take a run at lebron or Durant. Or even love.


I hope both Carmelo and Phil want the same thing- and that they want to win now. Carmelo should leave if the idea is to hang on to chandler and amare and then hope for a big fa signing.

[Rameek]

:rant
All 3: yes
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I think Carmelo comes back, but what is the plan Phil tries to sell him on? What would Carmelo want? What does Phil want? Is there a combination of those that works for everyone? So many possibilities.


What does Carmelo want? Top shelf talent joining him right? But let's say he picks a guy to join him and wants Rondo. Rondo doesn't fit the triangle, so who wins that?


Phil has the benefit of a fan base that will happily accept throwing another season away for even the slightest hope of bringing in a big name. Does Phil want to try to win now or does he take the easy way out and promise that they'll take a run at lebron or Durant. Or even love.


I hope both Carmelo and Phil want the same thing- and that they want to win now. Carmelo should leave if the idea is to hang on to chandler and amare and then hope for a big fa signing.
As you can tell through the process after getting Phil Big Chief Triangle he does not operate at this point with 3 ores in the water at the same time. Its been step by step and methodical.

My question is what is the next step people think he will do or what will be the next step they would do...

So personally I would think after the coaching staff has been filled out which I think pretty much as been reported Rambis, Cleamons, Walton, etc...

Phase 3: The next thing is to get into the 2014 draft. I hope they can get at least 1 pick.

Phase 4: There are 9 guaranteed contracts on the roster for now. Here are the guys that are off the books I think Cole, Tyler, Murry, Martin, and Shannon. Odom as of now looks all but a lock to be brought in for this year if he can stay off drugs, alcohol, and gets in shape. So that leaves 5 potential spots. I hope Murry and Tyler are locks to be back with the team.

Phase 5: Melo situation. It's not the least important thing and its an ongoing process that runs in the back ground absorbing all our data plans. I think the FO wants him back but I dont think its the end of the world in the new regimes eyes, maybe for the fans and Dolan it might be. Because Phil works at a snail pace I think this will hurt the Knicks chances but if Melo buys into Phil he would not opt out. If he opts out I think he wont return.

[el gringos]

You might be reading too much into how Phil will operate by basing it all off the slow and not for pr way of hiring a coach.


1 thing at a time- because that was the only thing he was allowed to work on. Free agency, trades, and the draft are all tied together and will all happen along the same time lines.

[el gringos]

So you think Phil will/should bring back 12 of the same players as last year? You think that many fit his vision?


Who is your hopefully draft pick? Who are the 2 fa's you'd bring in?

[Rameek]

So you think Phil will/should bring back 12 of the same players as last year? You think that many fit his vision?


Who is your hopefully draft pick? Who are the 2 fa's you'd bring in?
I never said bring back 12 of the same players I said based on guaranteed contracts there are 9 players on the roster, 10 based on Odom, 2 guys I would like to return are Tyler Murray...

How can I hope for a draft pick if we dont know if they could acquire a pick or what round...

Trades are possible during the draft to move up or down or to get into the draft...

FA aquisitions wont happen until after the draft.

[el gringos]

I never said bring back 12 of the same players I said based on guaranteed contracts there are 9 players on the roster, 10 based on Odom, 2 guys I would like to return are Tyler Murray...

How can I hope for a draft pick if we dont know if they could acquire a pick or what round...

Trades are possible during the draft to move up or down or to get into the draft...

FA aquisitions wont happen until after the draft.
You have said over and over that you don't think that the roster will be changed through trades- right?

Seems like you are thinking that Phil brings back mostly the same team but will just be better at 2nd round picks and min wage free agents. I was just hoping you'd put your name on a suggestion of a particular 2nd round prospect or a couple min wage free agents.

[Rameek]

You have said over and over that you don't think that the roster will be changed through trades- right?

Seems like you are thinking that Phil brings back mostly the same team but will just be better at 2nd round picks and min wage free agents. I was just hoping you'd put your name on a suggestion of a particular 2nd round prospect or a couple min wage free agents.
I've never said the roster will not be changed through trades but the big blockbuster trades you're suggesting wont happen.

You want to dump high salaries on small market teams that do not want their cap eaten up by 1 or 2 players.

I do think Chandler could be moved to a contender or a team that is close to contention. Like Dallas would gladly take Melo and Chandler. I do think Shump could be traded considering his talents is a luxury and not a necessity. The guy that should be traded first but Toronto couldnt give away (until the dumbass Knicks overpaid) is Bargs.

As far as FA the Knicks could look into Bayless, Farmer, Brian Roberts, Mo Williams. This only makes sense if Felton is gone.
One of the names you love but I dont think is an NBA player is Jimmer, Mickael Pietrus (if healthy), E'Twaun Moore (he can play pg/sg).

[smoovegittar]

I think the next logical step is trying to acquire a 2nd round pick from Philly or Milwaukee. Names that I think will be hot topics to try and move are Felton and Chandler. 2 guys I would LOVE to see gone are Bargs and J.R. for obvious reasons...tho I could live with J.R. another year cause Fish ain't putting up with the bullshit. I know PJ has a way with players; I'm intrigued to see what he can make happen in year 1. I had heard a rumor of PJ talking to Amare about possibly retiring for health reasons, but this seems unlikely to me.


...and I'm still not sold on this "triangle or bust" business that some people are preaching. I think Phil is much more open-minded on using the positives that his players bring on the floor. But I'm glad there's been progress -

addendum: I do believe Melo returns as he will be a flea in PJ's ears over decisions made. One thing I know about Phil is he likes to have major talent at his disposal, and Melo brings THIS.

[knickscity]

I actually wouldnt be surprised if the team isnt for the most part the same.

Makes no sense trading players and adding salary unless it a player they will definitely use going forward.

I see quite a bit of these guys just expiring out.

[franchize]

My focus would be to keep Melo and get rid of as many contracts as possible without taking on anything long term. If we can convince a team to take on Chandler, Bargnani or Amare for a pick...do it IMMEDIATELY. Even if it's a 2nd. Shit, even if it's a future 2nd.

[Rameek]

My focus would be to keep Melo and get rid of as many contracts as possible without taking on anything long term. If we can convince a team to take on Chandler, Bargnani or Amare for a pick...do it IMMEDIATELY. Even if it's a 2nd. Shit, even if it's a future 2nd.
The Melo situation is going to be what its going to be. There isnt anything else the Knicks can do until after he opts out.

The removal of players for a pick can only happen (THIS IS NOT DIRECTED AT YOU BUT OTHER PEOPLE WHO DONT KNOW THIS) only teams under the cap can eat that contract. This wont happen I dont think because everyone wants to look appealing for the upcoming FA class this summer if people opt out.

[el gringos]

The #1 of all priorities should be Carmelo


He must at least know of whether Phil is going for the idea of capspace or of he will trade to win.


Seems like Carmelo agrees w the masses that the best thing possible is a possible!! big free agent signing.

[Rameek]

The #1 of all priorities should be Carmelo


He must at least know of whether Phil is going for the idea of capspace or of he will trade to win.


Seems like Carmelo agrees w the masses that the best thing possible is a possible!! big free agent signing.
That doesnt make sense to me. There are no big FA this year. Melo is the only one and like i said the chances of a big contract coming off the books is slim to none right away.

[idizzle]

Alex Kennedy: If Knicks trade Iman Shumpert, it'd be mistake. He has been doing two-a-days, studying the triangle and reading all of Phil Jackson's books. Twitter @AlexKennedyNBA - See more at: http://*********.com/rumors.htm#sthash.BTNA1W8V.dpuf

[el gringos]

Alex Kennedy: If Knicks trade Iman Shumpert, it'd be mistake. He has been doing two-a-days, studying the triangle and reading all of Phil Jackson's books. Twitter @AlexKennedyNBA - See more at: http://*********.com/rumors.htm#sthash.BTNA1W8V.dpuf
If he plays pg then he should stay. If he's practicing thinking of himself as a sg/sf then a 1st round pick for him is a win

[knickscity]

Seems Phil is jumping the draft early.

Deal in the works.....

Tyson Chandler and Felton to the Mavs for Calderon and Shane larkin and supposedly a future second rounder.

[Rameek]

The Knicks have reached an agreement in principle to send Tyson Chandler and Raymond Felton to the Mavericks in exchange for Jose Calderon, Samuel Dalembert, Shane Larkin, Wayne Ellington, the 34th pick and 51st pick in the 2014 draft.


So the Knicks save money, acquire 2 kids PG and SG, get 2 picks and get a big body that will get bought out most likely and a good 3 point shooting PG.

What an awesome deal by "Big Chief Triangle"....

I cant wait until we see the next move which should be in the works.

[Rameek]

The Knicks are trying to move Samuel Dalembert and Shane Larkin, according to Chris Herring of the Wall Street Journal.
Now that the Knicks have the 34th pick in the draft, they at least have some ammunition to get into the first round. Larkin was a top-20 pick last year and he could be used here to sneak into the 20-30 range with that 34th pick. The Knicks probably are not too attached to Dalembert and could wind up buying him out

Things are percolating and the next salvo is being prepared....:applause:

[el gringos]

Things are percolating and the next salvo is being prepared....:applause:
So willing to trade shumpert, Larkin, and dalembert now and everyone thinks they want a late 1st?

Maybe he really does have a specific guy in mind- to me it would be a disappointment if that guy is Hairston.


Or maybe- as much as you guys hate to think about it- Phil might want to get better now and has a trade he needs more to add to.

[Rameek]

So the draft is over....

The trade dumped the ever disappointing Felton and injury prone Chandler for PG Caldy, PG/SG Larks, SG Ellington (expirer), C Dale (expirer early buy out option).

2 draft picks
SF Cleanthony Early, SF Thanasis Antetokounmpo

Purchased pick
PF Louis Labeyrie

The good is Felton is gone and somewhat Chandler is gone. Chandler was an expirer and long term Caldy is paid 7 mill for 3 more years I think. But in the grand scheme of things Caldy ranks 21st in terms of salary and he is probably a top 20 starting PG.

Larks who knows what he'll be but he was good potential coming out of Miami.
Dale could be bought out or he could be a rotation player.
Ellington is a shooter but who knows what the plans are could be just a guy.
Any of these guys could be moved at any point.

The draft picks 2 SF's Thanasis is athletic as hell and he got a serious wingspan nice ups. Early kind of athletic can shoot some can do a little of everything definitely 2 projects. I dont know how many more SF's this team could actually take on... Melo, Odom, Hardaway...

Louis I dont know just a french guy.

I wont 2nd guess the picks everyone will find a player they could have taken instead or was better. I wont harp on those issues because I personally dont care. I let the other draft carers do that.

At some point Zen should look at getting an athletic big though. Someone that can be explosive be a PF or C. This team hasnt been fast or explosive for some time never having thoroughbreds. I hope this changes soon. It will be interesting who he brings in for summer league and thank goodness it wont be CAA clients anymore.

I kind of like the direction Zen is going but I do believe there are some other things in the works.

What's your take?

[el gringos]

So the draft is over....

The trade dumped the ever disappointing Felton and injury prone Chandler for PG Caldy, PG/SG Larks, SG Ellington (expirer), C Dale (expirer early buy out option).

2 draft picks
SF Cleanthony Early, SF Thanasis Antetokounmpo

Purchased pick
PF Louis Labeyrie

The good is Felton is gone and somewhat Chandler is gone. Chandler was an expirer and long term Caldy is paid 7 mill for 3 more years I think. But in the grand scheme of things Caldy ranks 21st in terms of salary and he is probably a top 20 starting PG.

Larks who knows what he'll be but he was good potential coming out of Miami.
Dale could be bought out or he could be a rotation player.
Ellington is a shooter but who knows what the plans are could be just a guy.
Any of these guys could be moved at any point.

The draft picks 2 SF's Thanasis is athletic as hell and he got a serious wingspan nice ups. Early kind of athletic can shoot some can do a little of everything definitely 2 projects. I dont know how many more SF's this team could actually take on... Melo, Odom, Hardaway...

Louis I dont know just a french guy.

I wont 2nd guess the picks everyone will find a player they could have taken instead or was better. I wont harp on those issues because I personally dont care. I let the other draft carers do that.

At some point Zen should look at getting an athletic big though. Someone that can be explosive be a PF or C. This team hasnt been fast or explosive for some time never having thoroughbreds. I hope this changes soon. It will be interesting who he brings in for summer league and thank goodness it wont be CAA clients anymore.

I kind of like the direction Zen is going but I do believe there are some other things in the works.

What's your take?odom would not (considering he can play) play sf. He hasn't played sf for many years and if he is looked at as anything it's as a pf. Hardaway is a sg. Carmelo/clean thorny as the only 3's


Totally agree on your type of big to bring in. Sounds like you accidentally described Larry sanders though.


Def have more work to do- esp w the bigs

[Rameek]

odom would not (considering he can play) play sf. He hasn't played sf for many years and if he is looked at as anything it's as a pf. Hardaway is a sg. Carmelo/clean thorny as the only 3's


Totally agree on your type of big to bring in. Sounds like you accidentally described Larry sanders though.


Def have more work to do- esp w the bigs
Larry Sanders is a big no.... didnt Knickcity explain this already:no:
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24593161/report-larry-sanders-expected-to-enter-rehab-this-summer

Inconsequential about those positions really and we can agree to disagree on them.

Oh dont get me wrong this team doesnt have explosive players in general but they have gotten more athletic though. We arent running any thoroughbreds at the moment besides Thanasis.

Its just imperative the team becomes more explosive and get more shooters. Those things still havent been answered but they are better than they were in previous years.

But at least there are options and there are only glaring wholes with the bigs.

[el gringos]

Any examples of the choices you are talking about or of bigs that would fit with what's going on?


All the quotes from Phil that I'm seeing look more like he wants to get better now than this boards hopes of tanking or waiting.

[Rameek]

Any examples of the choices you are talking about or of bigs that would fit with what's going on?


All the quotes from Phil that I'm seeing look more like he wants to get better now than this boards hopes of tanking or waiting.
They could always bring back Jeremy Tyler, Jordan Hill, Mike Scott but they can always find even cheaper undrafted FA's....

Anything he does would be better than what was here before. This was a terrible team in the East thats not really saying much.

[el gringos]

They could always bring back Jeremy Tyler, Jordan Hill, Mike Scott but they can always find even cheaper undrafted FA's....

Anything he does would be better than what was here before. This was a terrible team in the East thats not really saying much.
Oh min wage guys. Dang I thought you were warming up to the idea of another trade to get better.


As far as min wage guys-

I like Tyler a lot. I think he could be a good 4th-5th big. He didn't show the league enough to get a deal we couldn't match did he? (Sorry to you real Knicks fans for a bandwagon fan like me using the word we)


Jordan hill ? I think he gets more than min. Prob worth the 3 mill slot but I hope they find a better use for it

Austin Daye. I know he's had chances but I hope the Knicks are his next. You know, the old pf/sg combo.

[Rameek]

Oh min wage guys. Dang I thought you were warming up to the idea of another trade to get better.


As far as min wage guys-

I like Tyler a lot. I think he could be a good 4th-5th big. He didn't show the league enough to get a deal we couldn't match did he? (Sorry to you real Knicks fans for a bandwagon fan like me using the word we)


Jordan hill ? I think he gets more than min. Prob worth the 3 mill slot but I hope they find a better use for it

Austin Daye. I know he's had chances but I hope the Knicks are his next. You know, the old pf/sg combo.
I am not as creative as you. But I'm cheap dont want to mess up the salary cap. At least Melo decision will come sooner rather than later. Also LBJ, Bosh and Wade should be done by then.

[el gringos]

Calderon/shumpert/Larkin/prigioni
Jr/Hardaway/thanasis/Ellington
________/cleanthony
Amare/Lamar odom or Kmart
Bargnani/dalembert


Does Phil convince Carmelo that this is the roster that he should come back to or does he have to make a big trade still to have a roster Carmelo wants to play w? Which roster can sell Carmelo?


Calderon/shumpert
Jr/OJ
______/cleanthony
Sanders/illyasova
Bargnani/Zaza



Roster 1 requires getting 2-3 bigs at min wage that can contribute. Roster 2 requires finding a couple min wage gaurds. But roster 1 gives the gullible the belief that carapace will bring a new star next year

[Rameek]

You want to make a big splash now to show Melo something. But the problem is when you make a big splash move and if Melo leaves we're stuck with that guy.

Also since you arent a Knicks fan we have actually rebuilt once with no draft picks. At least now if we suck for a year maybe we can actually draft in the lottery. If Melo moves on.

[el gringos]

You want to make a big splash now to show Melo something. But the problem is when you make a big splash move and if Melo leaves we're stuck with that guy.

Also since you arent a Knicks fan we have actually rebuilt once with no draft picks. At least now if we suck for a year maybe we can actually draft in the lottery. If Melo moves on.
Don't take a shot if you might fail?


Yeah I'm definitely saying go all out to build around Carmelo because those superstar free agent that are going to beat down your door is too much of a gamble. You think you're playing it safe by showing Carmelo the door but really your taking an even bigger gamble. With worse odds


I'm not a fan because I just jumped on the bandwagon when Carmelo came and like jR smith and Bargnani and Phil a lot? I want to see them win and be put in position to succeed. I guess we will either find out or not, but I just don't believe Phil is in this to "hope" and wait for something to fall in his lap even if he has the ability to do so without stirring up his fan base.

[Rameek]

I really believe that Zen has a few moves left. I firmly believe that he has things cooking if Melo is here and I firmly believe he has a plan if Melo leaves.

I think he may have let Melo know what deals can be made if he comes back. So basically it would be up to Melo to decide that. Once his decision is made I am sure something could happen once he does. I think the prudent thing though isnt to just jump out there making moves for the sake of making moves. This organization has a torrid and infamous history for doing bold and idiotic moves. Finally its time to operate out of intelligence and not emotion (panic and fear or for ticket sales).


Don't take a shot if you might fail?


Yeah I'm definitely saying go all out to build around Carmelo because those superstar free agent that are going to beat down your door is too much of a gamble. You think you're playing it safe by showing Carmelo the door but really your taking an even bigger gamble. With worse odds


I'm not a fan because I just jumped on the bandwagon when Carmelo came and like jR smith and Bargnani and Phil a lot? I want to see them win and be put in position to succeed. I guess we will either find out or not, but I just don't believe Phil is in this to "hope" and wait for something to fall in his lap even if he has the ability to do so without stirring up his fan base.

[el gringos]

I really believe that Zen has a few moves left. I firmly believe that he has things cooking if Melo is here and I firmly believe he has a plan if Melo leaves.

I think he may have let Melo know what deals can be made if he comes back. So basically it would be up to Melo to decide that. Once his decision is made I am sure something could happen once he does. I think the prudent thing though isnt to just jump out there making moves for the sake of making moves. This organization has a torrid and infamous history for doing bold and idiotic moves. Finally its time to operate out of intelligence and not emotion (panic and fear or for ticket sales).
That's what I'm saying. I think there has to be more happening for Carmelo to stay. Yeah my trade would not be nearly as good and might be damaging if Carmelo decided to leave but the current roster and the idea of waiting a year or two is not a plan that Carmelo should buy.

[Rameek]

That's what I'm saying. I think there has to be more happening for Carmelo to stay. Yeah my trade would not be nearly as good and might be damaging if Carmelo decided to leave but the current roster and the idea of waiting a year or two is not a plan that Carmelo should buy.
Please read what I wrote. I am sure Phil has a few ways to improve the team if Melo decides to stay. He may pull the trigger if Melo comes back at a reasonable rate.

Now if he decides to bolt I am sure Phil has a plan which possibly can include not spending money. Melo money off the books then Stats and Bargs money off the books next season. 1 year with the triangle offense under the teams belt and in position to make moves with draft picks and cap space.

[el gringos]

Please read what I wrote. I am sure Phil has a few ways to improve the team if Melo decides to stay. He may pull the trigger if Melo comes back at a reasonable rate.

Now if he decides to bolt I am sure Phil has a plan which possibly can include not spending money. Melo money off the books then Stats and Bargs money off the books next season. 1 year with the triangle offense under the teams belt and in position to make moves with draft picks and cap space.
I have read it and always do. My take from your stance now is that moving forward involves completely different steps with or without Carmelo.



The part I disagree about is the reasonable rate part. Why would it matter? Are you still thinking capspace for down the road?



To me it looks like they already made moves counting on him to come back. Yeah they could get rid of Calderon but couldn't get rid of Calderon, mayo, sanders, illyasova, and Zaza if he didn't come back so yeah you'd need the commitment from Carmelo first



Do you think Carmelo could be sold on the idea of come back but wait to win?



I think you could sell him on the idea of here's a complete team. We will continue to pay top dollar and will never Kroenke you (slash salary once you've "built the brand". And most importantly do you want to go be a #2 as a guy that keeps moving around. Or do you want to win an MVP and have a shot at it all.

[el gringos]

Avatar bet? Nahhhhhh. It's not even a bet, if my trade happens I'm buying Rameek a gold iPhone. No not the gold colored one. The actual gold iPhone.


That has nothing to do with nothing. I've just had luck before on deals w the gold iPhone

[Rameek]

I'm sure has a couple of deals done with the premise of him coming back.

A reasonable rate is 20 mill or less. Why a reasobable rate means better quality teanmates especially if you dont or cant draft talent.

That trade was made for his system not Melo.

You can keep throwing that trade out there but no one wants those players on there team.

[el gringos]

I'm sure has a couple of deals done with the premise of him coming back.

A reasonable rate is 20 mill or less. Why a reasobable rate means better quality teanmates especially if you dont or cant draft talent.

That trade was made for his system not Melo.

You can keep throwing that trade out there but no one wants those players on there team.
The diff between 20 and 22 will never matter but maybe that's a spot we can never agree on. Until it's done.



I just can't see taking a rosters Salary from 80-90 to 60 unless there is a reason. I don't care about dolans money.


Ps. I think the Knicks have a way better chance at love than popular opinion says. All it will take is everything falling apart on other teams trades.


Gs's problem is they have too much they can give up. Knicks don't have that problem. Minn is supposedly demanding klay and lee? Is klay really that much better than th2, shumpert, and Larkin? Lee for years isn't better than amare and starting over is it?


OK so maybe I just gave it all up. All I am is a ucla fan w Wazzu paperwork. And I want to be a Knicks fan. But I want to be a Knick fan because I think you got lucky on done players and that it's worth going after. For what it's worth your last 6 and 8 picks would have been Lopez and jrue- that's not hindsight, that's having to switch names on ish pretty much for calling Lopez and Westbrook 2 and 3 in the "Rose draft" when Beasley had to be 1 or 2 or you're a troll

[Rameek]

The diff between 20 and 22 will never matter but maybe that's a spot we can never agree on. Until it's done.



I just can't see taking a rosters Salary from 80-90 to 60 unless there is a reason. I don't care about dolans money.


Ps. I think the Knicks have a way better chance at love than popular opinion says. All it will take is everything falling apart on other teams trades.


Gs's problem is they have too much they can give up. Knicks don't have that problem. Minn is supposedly demanding klay and lee? Is klay really that much better than th2, shumpert, and Larkin? Lee for years isn't better than amare and starting over is it?


Well the reason you bring down salary because it cost a lot of money to be in luxury tax. After the new CBA that punishment is ridiculous. Its not my money but its hard to make moves when you in luxury tax hell like having to match salaries and depending on teams that are under the cap. Every Million counts look at he Bulls they are so close to having 18 Mill under the cap. Bet you they wish they had at least 22 Million to play with right now.

Bro you must not have watched any basketball if you dont know who Klay is and why he is significantly better than the players you mentioned.

[el gringos]

Well the reason you bring down salary because it cost a lot of money to be in luxury tax. After the new CBA that punishment is ridiculous. Its not my money but its hard to make moves when you in luxury tax hell like having to match salaries and depending on teams that are under the cap. Every Million counts look at he Bulls they are so close to having 18 Mill under the cap. Bet you they wish they had at least 22 Million to play with right now.

Bro you must not have watched any basketball if you dont know who Klay is and why he is significantly better than the players you mentioned.
I've seen more Klay Thompson than almost anyone on itsh. I saw him play for 3 years in college. Many times in person. I believed in him when people laughed at him as a 1st rounder. Now he wants to be a 15 mill a year guy and in Minnesota they'd have to pay him that. Problem is that he's not a #1 or 2 option IMO.



You pay luxury tax on your worst contracts not your best player. The last 2 years the Knicks haven't paid a dime of luxury tax because of Carmelo, they paid it because of Amare.



I am ok w Dolan spending whatever he is willing. The more the better and a roster like the one I came up w is still prob lower than last year but I could see if they could get close to avoiding that repeater tax how even Dolan might want to but I don't think he'd demand it

[Rameek]

You gotta get it together. You dont make sense.

You ask if Klay is that much better than Shump or Larkin...

You pay luxury tax on the worst contract...




I've seen more Klay Thompson than almost anyone on itsh. I saw him play for 3 years in college. Many times in person. I believed in him when people laughed at him as a 1st rounder. Now he wants to be a 15 mill a year guy and in Minnesota they'd have to pay him that. Problem is that he's not a #1 or 2 option IMO.



You pay luxury tax on your worst contracts not your best player. The last 2 years the Knicks haven't paid a dime of luxury tax because of Carmelo, they paid it because of Amare.



I am ok w Dolan spending whatever he is willing. The more the better and a roster like the one I came up w is still prob lower than last year but I could see if they could get close to avoiding that repeater tax how even Dolan might want to but I don't think he'd demand it

[el gringos]

No I would never say is klay that much better than shumpert OR Larkin. I said th2, shumpert, AND Larkin. You get all 3 guys for 6-8 for a few years, klaus wants 15. I also said it would take love demanding this to happen


Won't happen but my lost point was that this trade is taking forever for a reason and I don't think it happens- ny's advantage is not having anything to negotiate. Gs can't give them Barnes and dray mind green because other teams including the Knicks can beat that

[Rameek]

No I would never say is klay that much better than shumpert OR Larkin. I said th2, shumpert, AND Larkin. You get all 3 guys for 6-8 for a few years, klaus wants 15. I also said it would take love demanding this to happen


Won't happen but my lost point was that this trade is taking forever for a reason and I don't think it happens- ny's advantage is not having anything to negotiate. Gs can't give them Barnes and dray mind green because other teams including the Knicks can beat that
Bro Klay is better than both of them combined. Your google translator is malfunctioning

http://media.tumblr.com/f82b5a2b859c73630ed14d1dbf28dc0c/tumblr_inline_n1mmqcuhfH1ss9nq4.gif

Like I said I am sure Zen has a couple of deals in his back pocket ready to execute if Melo decides to return.

[smoovegittar]

Bro Klay is better than both of them combined. Your google translator is malfunctioning

http://media.tumblr.com/f82b5a2b859c73630ed14d1dbf28dc0c/tumblr_inline_n1mmqcuhfH1ss9nq4.gif

Like I said I am sure Zen has a couple of deals in his back pocket ready to execute if Melo decides to return.
You could say I'm being delusional, but I'm about 97% sure Melo returns. I would even go out on a limb and say Phil is banking on it. But not worried if I'm wrong...

[Rameek]

You could say I'm being delusional, but I'm about 97% sure Melo returns. I would even go out on a limb and say Phil is banking on it. But not worried if I'm wrong...
Not going to say its that strong because we dont know how much he will want to pay Melo.

[Bano114]

Don't get your hopes up. Melo has absolutely no reason to stay in New York as far as I can see, except for his wife loving it here.

In his time here, the Front Office has established the worst supporting cast imaginable. It's been a disaster.

Sure there's a new regime now who shows promise to create a better situation, but does a 30 year old Melo have time to wait for a plan to be made that isn't sure fire?

It'd be much better for him to go to Chicago or Houston where the base is set up and he can be the piece to get them over the hump.

He can especially get his money and a chance to win in a S&T. I really don't see a shot of him returning, and you can all hold me to this post if he does. It just seems too unlikely.