Report: Cavaliers interested in Gordon Hayward & Chandler Parsons

[RedBlackAttack]

Joe Kotoch has been putting a lot of Cavs stuff out there in the last 24 hours, but this one caught my attention...

Probasketballdraft @Probballdraft

[RedBlackAttack]

Hayward, while being more of a 2, could certainly play the 3 in stretches and Waiters also showed that ability last season. If the Cavs want him, they can probably get him. He's an UFA that would fit in pretty well with what the Cavs currently have, imo.

My question is whether or not this is an either/or scenario or if he's asserting the Cavs are targeting both guys to actually play together.

For now, let's assume it's either/or...

Parsons would be the far tougher get. He's still on his rookie contract and Houston has to be loving his value. However, there has been some smoke around his current contract negotations with the Rockets and his name has been floated in trades over the last couple weeks.

http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/06/09/houston-rockets-nba-trade-talk-chandler-parsons-update/


The question is, what would it take to get him? The Cavs could work out a S&T with Luol Deng, since the Rockets seem to be in a "win-now" mentality. Maybe they'd have us throw in a young guy... Tristan Thompson, perhaps?

I know this... he'd be perfect at the 3 with what we have in place. Doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective and is a good young defender.

How about this roster for 2014-15?


PG - Kyrie Irving / Jarrett Jack
SG - Dion Waiters / CJ Miles
SF - Chandler Parsons / Alonzo Gee
PF - Anderson Varejao / Anthony Bennett
C - Joel Embiid / Tyler Zeller

...and, hopefully, as the season progresses AB will take over at the 4, giving us a really solid rotation of centers. On the flip side, put Hayward in Parsons' spot and it still looks pretty damn good.

[Pushxx]

The Cavs desperately need defense. Even if they draft Embiid, that is not enough help considering Varejao is on his way down not up.

Kyrie Irving needs to be enough of a playmaker for the team to not need somebody like Gordon Hayward.

[RedBlackAttack]

The Cavs desperately need defense. Even if they draft Embiid, that is not enough help considering Varejao is on his way down not up.

Kyrie Irving needs to be enough of a playmaker for the team to not need somebody like Gordon Hayward.
Thing is, Hayward's efficiency has steadily declined as his usage rate has gone up. Seems to me he plays his best ball as a really good complimentary piece, not the guy you want to rely on to constantly create plays.

That's precisely why I think his signing would make a lot of sense. As for defense, that's been an issue for Gordon over his first few years... but he has the tools to be a good defender. He just isn't consistent with it.

Embiid will help immensely, btw. The Cavs haven't had a rim protector since Big Z, and he was never really a great shot-blocking presence. When you have a guy around the basket who can alter/block shots, everyone's defense improves.

[El Kabong]

Hayward, while being more of a 2, could certainly play the 3 in stretches and Waiters also showed that ability last season. If the Cavs want him, they can probably get him. He's an UFA that would fit in pretty well with what the Cavs currently have, imo.
Hayward didn't sign an extension with the Jazz, but he's still a restricted FA.

I dare say any team wanting to pry him from the Jazz will need to offer about a 4 year/$50 million contract. They tried to tie him down before he hit the open market, like they did with Favors, because they don't want to pay him that much. He'll be pretty good on a team with some better options on offense. He can't carry a team there, like he was forced to do in Utah this year, which is why the Jazz are reluctant to spend big $ on him, but he'll still be able to give you 14-16ppg, while being a good passer, providing rebounding, steals and some OK defense.

[stalkerforlife]

I love both players, especially Parsons who I had the pleasure of watching for 4 years here in Gainesville.

Both have major potential to be all-star caliber.

[Random_Guy]

both solid players and rising stars that may make one or two allstar appearances at their peak...that being said...cavs should focus on developing their young players and getting a competent coach.
both players are definitely going to get overpaid....

[Random_Guy]

I love both players, especially Parsons who I had the pleasure of watching for 4 years here in Gainesville.

Both have major potential to be all-star caliber.
i agree, problem is to get any of the two you will definitely have to overpay for them

[RedBlackAttack]

Hayward didn't sign an extension with the Jazz, but he's still a restricted FA.

I dare say any team wanting to pry him from the Jazz will need to offer about a 4 year/$50 million contract. They tried to tie him down before he hit the open market, like they did with Favors, because they don't want to pay him that much.
Hmmm. Thought he was UFA for some reason. :confusedshrug:

Anyway, 4 years, $50 million seems like a lot... but not a total killer either. Like I said, I think he's there if the Cavs really want him.

Having watched him throughout his career, how do you think he'd do as a complimentary piece playing on the wing in an Irving-led offense? Obviously, it is going to limit his playmaking opportunities... I see that as a potential positive, though.

Guy was a 40+% shooter from three before he was asked to be a No. 1 option this past season.

[stalkerforlife]

i agree, problem is to get any of the two you will definitely have to overpay for them

Yep.

[hawksdogsbraves]

Hayward didn't sign an extension with the Jazz, but he's still a restricted FA.

I dare say any team wanting to pry him from the Jazz will need to offer about a 4 year/$50 million contract. They tried to tie him down before he hit the open market, like they did with Favors, because they don't want to pay him that much. He'll be pretty good on a team with some better options on offense. He can't carry a team there, like he was forced to do in Utah this year, which is why the Jazz are reluctant to spend big $ on him, but he'll still be able to give you 14-16ppg, while being a good passer, providing rebounding, steals and some OK defense.

I think 4 years/$50 million is a mistake for whoever dishes it out, I think somebody probably will though...

[RedBlackAttack]

both solid players and rising stars that may make one or two allstar appearances at their peak...that being said...cavs should focus on developing their young players and getting a competent coach.
both players are definitely going to get overpaid....
The Cavs have a lot of cap space, though, and a huge hole at SF. If the season were to start today, we'd be looking at Alonzo Gee or moving CJ Miles to the 3 (he's really a 2).

If Embiid is the pick -- which he should be -- the SF position absolutely has to be addressed either through FA or a trade.

[Random_Guy]

The Cavs have a lot of cap space, though, and a huge hole at SF. If the season were to start today, we'd be looking at Alonzo Gee or moving CJ Miles to the 3 (he's really a 2).

If Embiid is the pick -- which he should be -- the SF position absolutely has to be addressed either through FA or a trade.
I am actually one of the believers that they should draft andrew wiggins over embiid. I do believe that embiid if healthy may become the eventual better player....but his health...why take the risk?
and whether they have capspace or not, i just dont think either of these two will get you far unless they are the third or fourth option, blowing 10+ a year on them is too much imho

[RedBlackAttack]

I am actually one of the believers that they should draft andrew wiggins over embiid. I do believe that embiid if healthy may become the eventual better player....but his health...why take the risk?
and whether they have capspace or not, i just dont think either of these two will get you far unless they are the third or fourth option, blowing 10+ a year on them is too much imho
Fair enough...

Just a few notes:

The Cavs conducted a serious medical examination of Embiid today and all reports say he passed with flying colors. I didn't know a ton about stress fractures in the back, but everything I've read says they're very common in basketball players. Bill Self said on Cleveland radio today that, had Kansas won one more game in the tournament, he would have played. He's got to be the pick.

Either Hayward or Parsons would be brought in to probably be the 3rd or 4th scoring options on this team. I'd say it is safe to assume Irivng, Embiid and Waiters are thought to be better scorers. Again, these guys would be high level complimentary pieces on this roster. You can argue whether or not a 3rd/4th option is worth $10+ million a year, but there's no reason to believe they'd need to be more than that as far as their role goes.

[El Kabong]

Hmmm. Thought he was UFA for some reason. :confusedshrug:

Anyway, 4 years, $50 million seems like a lot... but not a total killer either. Like I said, I think he's there if the Cavs really want him.

Having watched him throughout his career, how do you think he'd do as a complimentary piece playing on the wing in an Irving-led offense? Obviously, it is going to limit his playmaking opportunities... I see that as a potential positive, though.

Guy was a 40+% shooter from three before he was asked to be a No. 1 option this past season.
Yea, it's not an absolute killer of a deal, and if you're trying to snag a guy as a RFA you'll have to offer a little bit more than usual. And yea, I'd think he'd fit in pretty well with the Cavs. He's certainly got the talent to raise his FG% to a healthy level of about 46 FG%/40 3P% when he's getting better shots and not putting up shots 15 times a game.


I think 4 years/$50 million is a mistake for whoever dishes it out, I think somebody probably will though...
Which is why the Jazz attempted to lock both Favors and Hayward down before they hit the open market. Jazz got dissed for upping Favors early, but it's better than having to deal with some team stupidly offering him a max deal since he's a bigman.

[VIntageNOvel]

tl dr, but do they plan to move waiters?

hayward would fit in nicely to almost every team,

i would like to see parson on spurs though,
he's pop kind of guy

[RedBlackAttack]

tl dr, but do they plan to move waiters?

hayward would fit in nicely to almost every team,

i would like to see parson on spurs though,
he's pop kind of guy
I've heard nothing about Waiters being moved. He looked really good in the second half of the season and was one of the lone bright spots in a pretty bad season for the Cavs.

I guess it's possible, but these guys would be brought in to fill the gigantic hole at SF, not to compete with Waiters at SG.

That is, unless the idea is to add BOTH guys and play Hayward at the 2 and Parsons at the 3. That seems unlikely to me. And, Waiters has so much upside, I'm against giving up on him this soon in his career. If he ever learns how to finish more consistently at the rim, he's going to be a force to reckon with.

[All Net]

Parsons would be a great fit.

[NattyPButter]

Thing is, Hayward's efficiency has steadily declined as his usage rate has gone up. Seems to me he plays his best ball as a really good complimentary piece, not the guy you want to rely on to constantly create plays.

That's precisely why I think his signing would make a lot of sense. As for defense, that's been an issue for Gordon over his first few years... but he has the tools to be a good defender. He just isn't consistent with it.

Embiid will help immensely, btw. The Cavs haven't had a rim protector since Big Z, and he was never really a great shot-blocking presence. When you have a guy around the basket who can alter/block shots, everyone's defense improves.


doesn't really matter that line up is shit because of no perimeter defense. Embid would still be a rookie and you can't expect so much out of him coming in. That team would probably only get two extra wins if even that.

[bdreason]

Both these guys are going to get way overpaid.

[MiseryCityTexas]

Rockets will match any offer just off the fact that Parsons keeps attractive bitches buying tickets and keeps them in the seats.

[Xiao Yao You]

He can't carry a team there, like he was forced to do in Utah this year, which is why the Jazz are reluctant to spend big $ on him

We hope. They say they will sign him. Only way I want to overpay is if it is front loaded.


how do you think he'd do as a complimentary piece playing on the wing in an Irving-led offense?

He will do well anywhere as a role player.


Guy was a 40+% shooter from three before he was asked to be a No. 1 option this past season.

He's been up and down his whole career. Not a great shooter.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Hayward is very good and a godo palymaker.
APrsons is shit tho. completely overrated

[kshutts1]

If I'm the Cavs, I want Irving, Waiters, Bennett, Embiid to be my core going forward. That means I can't spend big money on anyone else. Would really handicap their cap situation. Disregard that comment if they have a shot at a legit star, like Melo, Love, etc.

With that being said, what about cheaper options like Ariza, Tucker, Turner, Marion? With the exception of Marion, they're all young enough to be useful starters for the next 3-4 years, and Cavs have a lot of scoring with Irving, Waiters, Bennett, so the fact that none of them is a deadly scorer doesn't matter much. Also, I listed those players in order of (what I believe is) preference.

Edit: If they plan to move Waiters or Bennett, then spending 10m on Hayward or Parsons is more acceptable.

[DukeDelonte13]

Meh.. depends on how much they have to pay.

IMO the cavs don't need a stud at SF, they need 3 point spacing and defense.

but if these rumors are true cavs are definitely locked in on embiid.

[AboutBuckets]

If things go the way you laid them out, then I would take Gordon. I don't think the margin of benefit getting Parsons over Hayward is worth losing Thompson, considering the fact that they're gonna end up also having to paying Parsons alot once his rookie contract expires if they want to keep him

[Uncle Drew]

No idea where the coaching thread went, so I'll just post this here:

David Pick ‏@IAmDPick 46m
Spoke to David Blatt. Said he interviewed for Cavaliers head coach job via phone. Will talk with GM David Griffin again soon.

David Pick @IAmDPick

[DukeDelonte13]

[QUOTE=Uncle Drew]No idea where the coaching thread went, so I'll just post this here:

David Pick ‏@IAmDPick 46m
Spoke to David Blatt. Said he interviewed for Cavaliers head coach job via phone. Will talk with GM David Griffin again soon.

David Pick @IAmDPick

[GimmeThat]

I like the trade.

But I'd LOVE the trade if this was Embiid's 2nd or 3rd year into the season.

Edit - I guess the Cavs are better off announcing which assistant coach/special consultant they had brought in to help Embiid on his game really

[D-FENS]

I'm more interested to see a deal like this go down.

Jazz trade Favors and pick 5
Cavs trade pick 1.

Jazz draft Jabari Parker number 1.
Cavs draft BPA (Vonleh or Exum)

Cavs sign and trade Deng for Parsons

Cavs:
CT: Favors/ Zeller
PF: Thompson/ Bennett
SF: Parsons/ Miles
SG: Waiters/ Exum
PG: Irving/ Jack

[Meticode]

I'm more interested to see a deal like this go down.

Jazz trade Favors and pick 5
Cavs trade pick 1.

Jazz draft Jabari Parker number 1.
Cavs draft BPA (Vonleh or Exum)

Cavs sign and trade Deng for Parsons

Cavs:
CT: Favors/ Zeller
PF: Thompson/ Bennett
SF: Parsons/ Miles
SG: Waiters/ Exum
PG: Irving/ Jack
I'd cry...

[MC Gusto]

I am actually one of the believers that they should draft andrew wiggins over embiid. I do believe that embiid if healthy may become the eventual better player....but his health...why take the risk?

1. There's a slight probability that he could actually be healthy.
2. There is no guarantee that Wiggins won't be a bust.

[bingoa]

I'm more interested to see a deal like this go down.

Jazz trade Favors and pick 5
Cavs trade pick 1.

Jazz draft Jabari Parker number 1.
Cavs draft BPA (Vonleh or Exum)

Cavs sign and trade Deng for Parsons

Cavs:
CT: Favors/ Zeller
PF: Thompson/ Bennett
SF: Parsons/ Miles
SG: Waiters/ Exum
PG: Irving/ Jack
:biggums:

[UK2K]

I'm more interested to see a deal like this go down.

Jazz trade Favors and pick 5
Cavs trade pick 1.

Jazz draft Jabari Parker number 1.
Cavs draft BPA (Vonleh or Exum)

Cavs sign and trade Deng for Parsons

Cavs:
CT: Favors/ Zeller
PF: Thompson/ Bennett
SF: Parsons/ Miles
SG: Waiters/ Exum
PG: Irving/ Jack
Parsons for Deng straight up eh? Lol