Why do people think the idea of a top FA going to Atlanta is so far fetched?

[atljonesbro]

They have more than enough money to pay max, they play in the east, they have a lot of talent, and the best coach in the East. They honestly are a great option for any player who wants to win. The Hawks with someone like Carmelo are easily contenders in the East. That offense would be absurd. Yall laugh at the idea of any FA going to any other team besides the same ones they go to every time but then start crying about collusion and how you hate the league when another FA goes to Miami. Make up your minds.

[Milbuck]

Same reason no one goes to Milwaukee. It sucks ass there.

[Real14]

Aint nobody interested in going to tha Atlanta Cp3s:lol dem niguhz never made it passed tha damn semis:oldlol: never!:roll:

[Le Shaqtus]

Same reason no one goes to Milwaukee. It sucks ass there.

At least you're honest.

[HOoopCityJones]

Because Atlanta is a cesspool for African Americans.

Strippers, Rappers, Drugs etc. Literally every young black dude with gwap parties hard there. Way too many distractions to make any type of serious noise in a Playoffs.

They'd need a Gregg Pop level coach to keep shit in line and like a team full of Tim Duncan and Kawai level introverted minds to stay the course.

[Uncle Drew]

Because no one cares about the Hawks, hence why their stadium is always empty, even in the damn playoffs.

[atljonesbro]

Because no one cares about the Hawks, hence why their stadium is always empty, even in the damn playoffs.
False.

[Real14]

False.
:coleman:

[atljonesbro]

Because no one cares about the Hawks, hence why their stadium is always empty, even in the damn playoffs.
"empty"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRXLsbWVv2c

Just another clown you spouts off what he hears from others.

[Akrazotile]

I wouldnt be surprised if they managed to snag Joe Johnson to a max deal once his current contract is up :lol

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Losing culture. Their fans are fairweather too.

[atljonesbro]

Losing culture. Their fans are fairweather too.
And how do you expect a losing culture to change?

The Knicks have one of the biggest losing cultures in the NBA.

[Real14]

And how do you expect a losing culture to change?

The Knicks have one of the biggest losing cultures in the NBA.
:biggums:

[Jameerthefear]

ATL sucks.

[Rubio2Gasol]

Because Atlanta is a cesspool for African Americans.

Strippers, Rappers, Drugs etc. Literally every young black dude with gwap parties hard there. Way too many distractions to make any type of serious noise in a Playoffs.

They'd need a Gregg Pop level coach to keep shit in line and like a team full of Tim Duncan and Kawai level introverted minds to stay the course.

LA don't have those things? :coleman:

[AnaheimLakers24]

At least you're honest.
seriously. non delusional right here.

magic sixers knicks queens fans need to realize this

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

And how do you expect a losing culture to change?

The Knicks have one of the biggest losing cultures in the NBA.

Through draft and trade. No viable FA is signing there until you guys make noise (fans included :oldlol:)

[HOoopCityJones]

LA don't have those things? :coleman:

We do but it's wayyy more stuff to get into out here, same with New York.

Every place has night scene


That's literally all they have out there in Atlanta, it's the night life 247.

You're either at the strip club or the regular club. Period.

[Legends66NBA7]

They have more than enough money to pay max, they play in the east, they have a lot of talent, and the best coach in the East. They honestly are a great option for any player who wants to win.

And then we look at reality as to why nobody has comes to Atlanta:


The Hawks haven't won more than 1 playoff round in their entire tenure (a 46 year span) since moving to Atlanta. They have been 1 and done in the last 3 years (13 times overall since moving to Atlanta).

In the most recent 7 year span, nobody thought they were a serious threat to go far and they were right. They didn't even acquire anybody from the FA classes to strengthen their team and put them over the top as true contenders.



The Hawks with someone like Carmelo are easily contenders in the East. That offense would be absurd.

Carmelo Anthony's options that he himself considering:

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/11067593/carmelo-anthony-inform-new-york-knicks-free-agency-decision-june-23-according-sources


The Chicago Bulls, Houston Rockets and Dallas Mavericks are all teams Anthony would consider starting July 1, sources say, if the 30-year-old decides to become a free agent this summer.

Atlanta is not on his radar.


Yall laugh at the idea of any FA going to any other team besides the same ones they go to every time but then start crying about collusion and how you hate the league when another FA goes to Miami. Make up your minds.

Miami already had won a championship and had a superstar caliber player Dwayne Wade before they got James and Bosh (off course, he was testing the market as well, but we all know how that turned out). Now that they have already won 2 titles and been to 4 straight titles, they will continue to attract FA's and have a more attracting destination.

Who exactly is Atlanta attracting on the team ? Injured Al Horford ? Paul Millsap ? Korver and Teague ? Mike Budenholzer isn't going to attract free agents no matter how good he is. This isn't a coaches league. It doesn't matter how the system is, which I don't see Melo being as effective in because it depends on ball movement and not his ISO scoring, his main strength.

Talent with a developing winning culture gets you results and FA's. Otherwise, it's destination like New York or LA.

Unless your the San Antonio Spurs., you've already gotten a great culture without the means of a top FA, while doing it in a better conference.

[Black and White]

The NBA has become a location based sport, players are just as concerned about where they play along with the money they earn. Atlanta is not at the top of anyones lists as a FA destination, not to mention they havent exactly had much success in recent years.

[qrich]

When is the last time the Hawks have signed a marquee free agent? Joe Johnson? Before that?

Team that with the attendance being atrocious as can be (I swear, FC Tucson has more fans), and it doesn't seem likely. Would probably have to overpay a tier 2 free agent again.

[Fiddlesticks]

A Josh Smith led Hawks took a D-Rose led Bulls team that many thought could win the east to 6 games a few years ago and a Celtics team that would go on to win the chip.

[atljonesbro]

And then we look at reality as to why nobody has comes to Atlanta:






Carmelo Anthony's options that he himself considering:

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/11067593/carmelo-anthony-inform-new-york-knicks-free-agency-decision-june-23-according-sources



Atlanta is not on his radar.



Miami already had won a championship and had a superstar caliber player Dwayne Wade before they got James and Bosh (off course, he was testing the market as well, but we all know how that turned out). Now that they have already won 2 titles and been to 4 straight titles, they will continue to attract FA's and have a more attracting destination.

Who exactly is Atlanta attracting on the team ? Injured Al Horford ? Paul Millsap ? Korver and Teague ? Mike Budenholzer isn't going to attract free agents no matter how good he is. This isn't a coaches league. It doesn't matter how the system is, which I don't see Melo being as effective in because it depends on ball movement and not his ISO scoring, his main strength.

Talent with a developing winning culture gets you results and FA's. Otherwise, it's destination like New York or LA.

Unless your the San Antonio Spurs., you've already gotten a great culture without the means of a top FA, while doing it in a better conference.
So basically what you're saying is no FA wants to come to Atlanta unless we luck out and draft a good player?

And LOL at the downplaying of out players. Hoford is nearly a 20/10 center when healthy, Millsap was an allstar, Jeff Teague is 17/7 PG (improved every year he's been in the league), Kyle Korver is one of the greatest 3 point shooters of all time.

Melo is Atlanta's system plays to his strength which is jump shooting. He'll get A LOT more open looks in Atlanta rather than just iso'ing every rip in Chicago. He'll have his iso moments in Atlanta too because we need someone with his skill set, but he'll also get far more open looks with the heavy ball movement system.

What you're saying makes no sense. The talent is here in Atlanta, easily. They just need that one leading guy to come in and take them to the next level. Their past has literally nothing to do with the present. With Melo they are contenders whether they didn't contend in the past or not.

[Akrazotile]

The NBA has become a location based sport, players are just as concerned about where they play along with the money they earn. Atlanta is not at the top of anyones lists as a FA destination, not to mention they havent exactly had much success in recent years.


Much of the recent hulabaloo about free agents bolting has less to do with market specifically, as opposed to opportunity to win. Sometimes there is a correlation in those things but not necessarily.

The Hawks actually have a pretty strong foundation with Horford, Millsap, Antic, Teague. I think on paper it would be desirable for a free agent who wants to play on a good team, the biggest prob IMO is the club just has no track record. Thats why you get guys steering toward options like chicago and dallas etc. There are worse places you can live than Atlanta and the team could be ripe for a run as contenders, but again the organization basically has a reputation as being permanently mediocre. Thats pretty much exactly what you think about when you hear the Hawks. Perpetually mediocre.

[1~Gibson~1]

Atlanta is a pretty dope city and all.. but if youre a star player thinking about signing a 4 or 5 year deal with the Atlanta Hawks you also have to take into consideration that you're now trusting Atlanta's front office to add more players to make the team better in order to compete with the Miami's and Indiana's of the East for an NBA championship.. and in all honesty, since Atlanta has yet to show anyone that they can do that I wouldnt trust them (if im a star player, ala Carmelo Anthony or Lebron James at least)

[Brokenbeat]

A Josh Smith led Hawks took a D-Rose led Bulls team that many thought could win the east to 6 games a few years ago and a Celtics team that would go on to win the chip.


amazing stuff right there

[TheReal Kendall]

As far as the club/party scene go it's really not a bad place to go. I think the only way a big name player go to the Hawks is if he was born and raised in Atl.

If Howard would've went there that would've been great then he could've brought in some big names.

[Dro]

They have more than enough money to pay max, they play in the east, they have a lot of talent, and the best coach in the East. They honestly are a great option for any player who wants to win. The Hawks with someone like Carmelo are easily contenders in the East. That offense would be absurd. Yall laugh at the idea of any FA going to any other team besides the same ones they go to every time but then start crying about collusion and how you hate the league when another FA goes to Miami. Make up your minds.
Don't agree with the bolded.......Everything else, I agree....

[atljonesbro]

Don't agree with the bolded.......Everything else, I agree....
They Hawks are clearly a better team than the Pacers when Horford is healthy :lol

[Black and White]

They Hawks are clearly a better team than the Pacers when Horford is healthy :lol

If you are talking about the Pacers team that started the season before the Turner and Bynum moves, the Hawks squad doent come close, they would get rolled by that Pacers squad.

[atljonesbro]

If you are talking about the Pacers team that started the season before the Turner and Bynum moves, the Hawks squad doent come close, they would get rolled by that Pacers squad.
Game 7 with a starter that was shooting 12%. Add in a 19/9 player who shoots 55% and it CLEARLY shifts in the Hawks favor.

[Black and White]

Game 7 with a starter that was shooting 12%. Add in a 19/9 player who shoots 55% and it CLEARLY shifts in the Hawks favor.

Oh so the Pacers squad that fell off a cliff??? Once they sort out their chemistry issues, your Hawks wont come close.

Who do they have on that squad that compares to George or Stephenson??


The front court matchup is interesting tho.

[Dro]

They Hawks are clearly a better team than the Pacers when Horford is healthy :lol
Only in your world....:rolleyes: You are such a homer its ridiculous.....

[Dro]

Oh so the Pacers squad that fell off a cliff??? Once they sort out their chemistry issues, your Hawks wont come close.

Who do they have on that squad that compares to George or Stephenson??


The front court matchup is interesting tho.
Sometimes I debate whether to put this dude on ignore but he's ok when he's not talking about the Hawks......If he's talking about the Hawks, he's almost unbearable......

[Real14]

seriously. non delusional right here.

magic sixers knicks queens fans need to realize this
don't even try it:coleman:

[Trentknicks]

Chris Paul and Dwight could have both gone their together and chose not too.

Also, neck yourself OP. The Knicks had a losing culture from 02-09 and your team has NEVER made it out of the 2nd round, EVER.

[Black and White]

Sometimes I debate whether to put this dude on ignore but he's ok when he's not talking about the Hawks......If he's talking about the Hawks, he's almost unbearable......

I don't get why he tries to overrate the Hawks squads to stupid levels, Horford has barely been healthy, you can't use hypotheticals to compare sqauds, hes done nothing to prove that he would take the Hawks squad past the Pacers.

[Legends66NBA7]

So basically what you're saying is no FA wants to come to Atlanta unless we luck out and draft a good player?

Drafting smart could be something the Hawks could have done years ago. Picking players over Pau Gasol and Chris Paul in a draft doesn't help. Infact, a Paul or even Deron Williams team would have put the Hawks over the top in the East in the late 00's. Never happened because of bad management and scouting.

Atlanta is also the definition of mediocrity. It's in it's history. Players want to go where there's a winning culture, attractable enough FA destination, and if there's considerable talent all over. Atlanta probably has 1 of these at best, but nothing overwhelming that has any FA changing their mind.


And LOL at the downplaying of out players. Hoford is nearly a 20/10 center when healthy, Millsap was an allstar, Jeff Teague is 17/7 PG (improved every year he's been in the league), Kyle Korver is one of the greatest 3 point shooters of all time.

Horford is hardly close to a 20/10 center. 17.4ppg last season isn't close to 20. Keep in mind, it was just one season that was his highest to get a 20/10. So he's not even a perennial 20/10 player. He's injury prone too. Fine player, but hardly some driving force that players want to play with. Millsap was an all-star for 1 season (again, not pernnial), where many said it was a weak year in the East for all-stars, as well conference.

Neither of those guys are luring Melo at this stage of his career and they are proven players by this point.

Teague is a nice player, but again, nobody is coming to play with Teague 17/7. Especially since there are better PG's out there. Korver ? One of the greatest 3 point shooters is a nice title, but he's a role player.

So, Horford (who's injury prone), Millsap, and Teague ? Nobody is flocking to play with them.

Compared to Miami, who has 3 perennial all-stars and a 4 MVP, a former Finals MVP, a solid 3rd option.


What you're saying makes no sense. The talent is here in Atlanta, easily. They just need that one leading guy to come in and take them to the next level. Their past has literally nothing to do with the present. With Melo they are contenders whether they didn't contend in the past or not.

As already stated, Carmelo Anthony is not interested in the Atlanta Hawks. Therefore, really making the whole topic a "what if".

Could they be contenders ? Perhaps they are. But if Melo went to Toronto, Washington, Brooklyn, Chicago, Indiana, and Miami he could as very well be contending with them too.

Infact, let's put Miami and Indiana aside for a second... Why would Melo not play for the other teams I mentioned in the East ? What puts Atlanta THAT much ahead of those teams after this season ?

[atljonesbro]

Oh so the Pacers squad that fell off a cliff??? Once they sort out their chemistry issues, your Hawks wont come close.

Who do they have on that squad that compares to George or Stephenson??


The front court matchup is interesting tho.
Horford and Millsap are CLEARLY better than Hibbert and West. George and Stephenson are CLEARLY better than Korver and Carroll. Teague is CLEARLY better than Hill. The Hawks bench is better than the Pacer's, Budenholzer is CLEARLY a better coach than Vogel. The Hawks also match up extremely well vs the Pacers.

[Legends66NBA7]

Chris Paul and Dwight could have both gone their together and chose not too.

What's even worse is that Atlanta could have drafted Chris Paul in 2005 and choose Marvin Williams instead.

[Black and White]

Horford and Millsap are CLEARLY better than Hibbert and West. George and Stephenson are CLEARLY better than Korver and Carroll. Teague is CLEARLY better than Hill. The Hawks bench is better than the Pacer's, Budenholzer is CLEARLY a better coach than Vogel. The Hawks also match up extremely well vs the Pacers.

That isn't true, Horford hasn't been healthy enough to make that comparison, not to mention Hibbert is dealing with his off-court issues, we will see next season, the Hawks wont get close to the Pacers.

[Trentknicks]

What's even worse is that Atlanta could have drafted Chris Paul in 2005 and choose Marvin Williams instead.
When you said they are the definition of mediocre nothing could be more true, they have never even had a memorable season. I mean they are just eh all over.

[Real14]

When you said they are the definition of mediocre nothing could be more true, they have never even had a memorable season. I mean they are just eh all over.
they haven't had a memorable season since 88 in tha nique dayz:lol

[atljonesbro]

That isn't true, Horford hasn't been healthy enough to make that comparison, not to mention Hibbert is dealing with his off-court issues, we will see next season, the Hawks wont get close to the Pacers.
You realize I said with a healthy Horford right? Hibbert doesn't compare to Horford.

[Dro]

Horford and Millsap are CLEARLY better than Hibbert and West. George and Stephenson are CLEARLY better than Korver and Carroll. Teague is CLEARLY better than Hill. The Hawks bench is better than the Pacer's, Budenholzer is CLEARLY a better coach than Vogel. The Hawks also match up extremely well vs the Pacers.
LoL.....Paul George is the best player on EITHER team...And Lance Stephenson is better than anyone on the Hawks not named Horford and he's damn near better than Milsap and he has a great shot of becoming a better player than Millsap ever was and Millsap is still pretty underrated...And hell Lance and PG still have not entered their prime...Why the hell would Melo rather play with an aging and injured Milsap and Horford over 2 up and coming star wing players?

I don't even want Melo but you're trippin...You're sitting here going player by player trying to compare the teams...How about you compare the ENTIRE ORGANIZATION...The Pacers have had much more success than the Hawks over the years and beat them almost every time they play in the playoffs...And Horford or Millsap are NOT CLEARLY better than David West in any stratosphere, I don't give a damn how old West is...On any given night, West can do something neither of those guys can do, carry his team do playoff wins in huge games....:facepalm

Teague may or may not be better than Hill..Teague is a better POINT GUARD than Hill...If Hill were playing off the ball, with a different role, then that matchup would be pretty damn close too...Stop acting like Teague is Chris Paul or something...He's a nice player but he's got a long way to go. Don't even care about anything else you said and its funny you never address any of my posts when I call you out on your bs homering for the Hawks....

[atljonesbro]

LoL.....Paul George is the best player on EITHER team...And Lance Stephenson is better than anyone on the Hawks not named Horford and he's damn near better than Milsap and he has a great shot of becoming a better player than Millsap ever was and Millsap is still pretty underrated...And hell Lance and PG still have not entered their prime...Why the hell would Melo rather play with an aging and injured Milsap and Horford over 2 up and coming star wing players?

I don't even want Melo but you're trippin...You're sitting here going player by player trying to compare the teams...How about you compare the ENTIRE ORGANIZATION...The Pacers have had much more success than the Hawks over the years and beat them almost every time they play in the playoffs...And Horford or Millsap are NOT CLEARLY better than David West in any stratosphere, I don't give a damn how old West is...On any given night, West can do something neither of those guys can do, carry his team do playoff wins in huge games....:facepalm

Teague may or may not be better than Hill..Teague is a better POINT GUARD than Hill...If Hill were playing off the ball, with a different role, then that matchup would be pretty damn close too...Stop acting like Teague is Chris Paul or something...He's a nice player but he's got a long way to go. Don't even care about anything else you said and its funny you never address any of my posts when I call you out on your bs homering for the Hawks....
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[MavsSuperFan]

To answer the OP because there are better options

[Black and White]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

You do realise if you asked around, basically most people would want David West on their squad over those two.

[Jameerthefear]

You do realise if you asked around, basically most people would want David West on their squad over those two.
no they wouldn't dummy.

[ihatetimthomas]

Mostly based off history. How many big time free agents have gone to the Hawks? Who was the last one? Joe Johnson who had to be very overpaid to sway?

Thy have gotten talent based off draft pretty much.

[Legends66NBA7]

You do realise if you asked around, basically most people would want David West on their squad over those two.

Not true, I would take a healthy Horford out of the 3 every time. Now if they were in their prime, then it's a bit more interesting.

[Black and White]

no they wouldn't dummy.

David West is a traditional back to the basket, beast of a PF with a killer shooting touch, who wouldn't want him on their squad?

[Jameerthefear]

David West is a traditional back to the basket, beast of a PF with a killer shooting touch, who wouldn't want him on their squad?
horford>>west
milsap is arguable.

[Black and White]

Not true, I would take a healthy Horford out of the 3 every time. Now if they were in their prime, then it's a bit more interesting.

Thats the point, healthy Horford, he is so injury prone that its a risk.

[Legends66NBA7]

David West is a traditional back to the basket, beast of a PF with a killer shooting touch, who wouldn't want him on their squad?

So is Millsap and he's younger. West has experience over Millsap and West plays better overall defense, but at this stage you probably take Millsap anyways.

[Black and White]

horford>>west
milsap is arguable.

Horford is better WHEN HEALTHY, but thats where the problem is.

[Black and White]

So is Millsap and he's younger. West has experience over Millsap and West plays better overall defense, but at this stage you probably take Millsap anyways.

Going forward yes, but right now, for one playoffs who do you want on your squad?

[Finger Roll]

First of all, I like the city (from Toronto), you have lots of good looking females around there I'll give you that.


But Horford is one hard bump to his shoulder away from being done it seems. Millsap is good, but he reminds me of an Elton Brand type dude, seems tough and decent numbers-- just couldn't lead you to anything.

Teague is nice, but I don't see him improving THAT much more.

I dunno, I honestly can't see a big FA going there anytime soon. Raptors have a better shot at one imo