Did the SA Spurs just destroy Lebron James' NBA legacy?

[TMac&Luther]

Sorry, but as a guy who is shooting for all time goat, San Antonio just put the nail in the coffin in those aspirations. Let's not forget the only reason why he picked up a chip last season was because of a absolute choke job by Ginobili and the Spurs and a great clutch shot by Allen.

The Spurs are killing him and his team and he hasn't even been the best player on the court. Kawhi Leonard has been pimping him out for cigs in the yard for most of this series... the kid is the finals MVP so far.

Sorry to all the Lebron stans, but even y'all can't deny that this is a HUGE blow to his legacy.

[305Baller]

naw

[Ballin095]

Meh, never had a shot of being the goat anywhere. He will be the second goat after going back to cleveland to win a ring.

[Derka]

No.

[steve]

Anyone who thinks this inherently does not understand basketball and should probably switch over to watching tennis.

[kamil]

The boat sailed a long time ago... LeBron* shit the bed in 2011.

[TMac&Luther]

Meh, never had a shot of being the goat anywhere. He will be the second goat after going back to cleveland to win a ring.

He isn't even on Kobe's level legacy wise. Too much quit in him when the chips are down..

[DirkNowitzki07]

The Spurs have just cemented LeBitch's legacy

He'll finish around top 10 all time

[Brokenbeat]

Sorry, but as a guy who is shooting for all time goat, San Antonio just put the nail in the coffin in those aspirations. Let's not forget the only reason why he picked up a chip last season was because of a absolute choke job by Ginobili and the Spurs and a great clutch shot by Allen.

The Spurs are killing him and his team and he hasn't even been the best player on the court. Kawhi Leonard has been pimping him out for cigs in the yard for most of this series... the kid is the finals MVP so far.

Sorry to all the Lebron stans, but even y'all can't deny that this is a HUGE blow to his legacy.

So that's why Bran can't control his bowels. :oldlol:

[Rodmantheman]

29 years old

[icemanfan]

not to LBJ worshipers. To NBA fans it was shit already. Any "best in the game" player who has to leave his team and go play with a finals MVP who has already won it all without him to finally get a ring is clearly NOT " best in the game"

[Ballin095]

He isn't even on Kobe's level legacy wise. Too much quit in him when the chips are down..

LOL no not at all :oldlol: Kobe wouldnt even be in the finals right now if you replaced him with lebron. Anyways, 4 mvps which will turn into 5 once he goes back to cleveland to play with irving, embiid, and waiters and wins 1 or more rings. Lebron is going to be 2nd goat, no questions asked.

[stalkerforlife]

Of course not.

The decision did that.

[Magic 32]

LOL no not at all :oldlol: Kobe wouldnt even be in the finals right now if you replaced him with lebron. Anyways, 4 mvps which will turn into 5 once he goes back to cleveland to play with irving, embiid, and waiters and wins 1 or more rings. Lebron is going to be 2nd goat, no questions asked.

Tough night.

[SexSymbol]

He's not in the top 10 for sure.

[Reef]

Lebron ruined it by teaming up with Wade and Bosh, instead of leading his own team.

[KG215]

Could've hampered it greatly last year if Leonard or Ginobili make one FT between them or someone on the Spurs grabs one defensive rebound. He'd be staring 1-for-5 in the Finals in the face right now.

[Straight_Ballin]

2nd goat? This guy is a flow that can't even beat the old ass spurs!! :lol

[icemanfan]

Lebron ruined it by teaming up with Wade and Bosh, instead of leading his own team.
DAMN RIGHT!

[gts]

not to LBJ worshipers. To NBA fans it was shit already. Any "best in the game" player who has to leave his team and go play with a finals MVP who has already won it all without him to finally get a ring is clearly NOT " best in the game"

This is the correct answer and has been for a couple years now

BTW good seeing you again, how ya doing?...

[TMac&Luther]

Anyone who thinks this inherently does not understand basketball and should probably switch over to watching tennis.


Says Jackass Steve who has delusions of grandeur and thinks he speaks for the masses.

I've been watching basketball since the late 80's. If you honestly think what has happened in this series hasn't severely hurt the legacy of Lebron James, then you are delusional. :facepalm

[Blue&Orange]

imagine if pop didn't take Duncan out last year because he was afraid of Bosh... u know the guy that scored 0 points in game seven and that never ever made a 3pt gamewiner in a relevant game in the playoffs.

[97 bulls]

His career isn't over by any stretch. But as of now, no one should be comparing him to Jordan.

[icemanfan]

This is the correct answer and has been for a couple years now

BTW good seeing you again, how ya doing?...
Hey GTS good to see you still on. Nice to see that a few of the old guard are still here. :cheers:

[icemanfan]

But as of now, no one should be comparing him to Jordan.
Those who try to make that comparison never watched Jordan. LBJ does not have Jordan's heart. Period.

[gts]

Hey GTS good to see you still on. Nice to see that a few of the old guard are still here. :cheers::cheers:

[TMac&Luther]

LOL no not at all :oldlol: Kobe wouldn't even be in the finals right now if you replaced him with lebron. Anyways, 4 mvps which will turn into 5 once he goes back to Cleveland to play with Irving, embiid, and waiters and wins 1 or more rings. Lebron is going to be 2nd goat, no questions asked.

If that's true, than his circus act with moving from town to town and trying to pair himself up with other star players will not work in his favor regarding public opinion of being the greatest (especially from purist who believe the best player doesn't have to resort to being a journeyman).. Players of his caliber don't and shouldn't have to move. If he actually moves back to Cleveland the NBA public will just remember him as a hired gun who would ride off out of town when things started getting tough.

[comerb]

The goat stuff was destroyed back in 2011. But this definitely isn't helping his all-time ranking.

[bigkingsfan]

This team would destroy a lot of legacy. Tough era to be in.

[Qwyjibo]

He's been clearly the best player on a team that made the Finals 4 years in a row and won 2 (maybe 3). He's also been at worst the 2nd best player in the NBA over that stretch. He also has several years of high level play left. I think Lebron's legacy will be just fine. People seem to underrate how difficult it is for a team to win a championship.

[Akrazotile]

So that's why Bran can't control his bowels. :oldlol:


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[Eye Test]

The boat sailed a long time ago... LeBron* shit the bed in 2011.

this.

for me, the decision was the tombstone on his legacy, 2011 just the cherry on top. this is just meh

[Graviton]

If he ends up gong 2/5 in the Finals his legacy will take a huge hit, no way around it. He was on his way to a guaranteed spot in the Top 10 with 3 rings/3 FMVPs. Now looks like he will be in the 9-12 spot, in the Oscar/Moses/Hakeem tier.

Can't be above Jordan, Kareem, Magic, Russell, Bird, Wilt, Duncan, Shaq, Kobe. Hakeem has an argument over him too. Now obviously his career isn't over, he can still win more rings. But after this series 2/5 in the Finals isn't a GOAT quality resume.

[The-Legend-24]

GOAT choker next to Wilt.

[dude77]

goat discussion is over .. embarrassed twice now in the finals .. swept in one of them .. this fggt should never ever be mentioned along with jordan who's record is perfect

[Qwyjibo]

goat discussion is over .. embarrassed twice now in the finals .. swept in one of them .. this fggt should never ever be mentioned along with jordan who's record is perfect
When did Lebron start playing tennis? You make it sound like he is fully in control of whether or not he wins titles. Or any other single player in the history of the NBA.

[dude77]

When did Lebron start playing tennis? You make it sound like he is fully in control of whether or not he wins titles. Or any other single player in the history of the NBA.

so now you wanna discount his 3 finals losses ? and not just losses .. dismantled in all of them pretty much .. it's not like he went down fighting .. he's getting bitchslapped .. it's a team game, but goat players don't get owned like this in championships .. they just don't let that shit happen ..

putting lebron in any discussion with jordan at this point is a fkn insult to jordan

[TMac&Luther]

He's been clearly the best player on a team that made the Finals 4 years in a row and won 2 (maybe 3). He's also been at worst the 2nd best player in the NBA over that stretch. He also has several years of high level play left. I think Lebron's legacy will be just fine. People seem to underrate how difficult it is for a team to win a championship.

What you just typed is what it'll read in the stat books, but those that actually watched during that time/era.. do we just ignore how god awful the Easteran Conference was during that time and how much of a cake walk it was to get to those finals or how this spurs team choked? Not to mention that this "best player got going when the going was tough and looked towards greener pastures on other teams" when other greats in other eras never did.

Sorry, but to claim you were the best team in the east, hasn't been much to brag about the last couple of years... and that is getting exposed this year. I look towards the day where the NBA seats playoff teams strictly by 1-16

[TMac&Luther]

Oh yeah..

What is wrong with Dwayne Wade? , He seems fat as hell (in the face) in the post game interviews.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Oh yeah..

What is wrong with Dwayne Wade? , He seems fat as hell (in the face) in the post game interviews.

Depending on the cycle, steroids make you retain water like hell.

Love this thread btw. So much truth in it its scary. The Decision is a debacle that will only haunt LeBorn if it only nets two rings. FFS, Kobe got that many at 30-32 years of age with Gasol and Odom. Poor returns for a superteam that had aspirations of winning 5+ titles.

I will laugh my ass off if Melo somehow winds up in Miami next year. What would that do to LeBron's legacy?

[Qwyjibo]

What you just typed is what it'll read in the stat books, but those that actually watched during that time/era.. do we just ignore how god awful the Easteran Conference was during that time and how much of a cake walk it was to get to those finals or how this spurs team choked? Not to mention that this "best player got going when the going was tough and looked towards greener pastures on other teams" when other greats in other eras never did.

Sorry, but to claim you were the best team in the east, hasn't been much to brag about the last couple of years... and that is getting exposed this year. I look towards the day where the NBA seats playoff teams strictly by 1-16
It should definitely be considered. It won't be because in 15 years people don't remember any teams that lost in the Conference Finals (with a few exceptions) but it should. The Heat did have an easier road than teams like the Spurs and OKC had. But they still got it done on their side of the board with a couple titles.

[La Frescobaldi]

Sorry, but as a guy who is shooting for all time goat, San Antonio just put the nail in the coffin in those aspirations. Let's not forget the only reason why he picked up a chip last season was because of a absolute choke job by Ginobili and the Spurs and a great clutch shot by Allen.

The Spurs are killing him and his team and he hasn't even been the best player on the court. Kawhi Leonard has been pimping him out for cigs in the yard for most of this series... the kid is the finals MVP so far.

Sorry to all the Lebron stans, but even y'all can't deny that this is a HUGE blow to his legacy.

James has one of the greatest skillsets ever but he wrecked his own reputation long time ago by disrespecting the game with unmanly flopping:


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[Collie]

When did Lebron start playing tennis? You make it sound like he is fully in control of whether or not he wins titles. Or any other single player in the history of the NBA.

In most cases, it's true. But Lebron literally lost it for the Heat in 2011. I'll even give him a pass for 2007 (in which he played like shit too), but if he even played like 80% of what he was capable of in 2011, Dirk would still be ringless.

[coin24]

No top 10 for bran:lol

The only way he would have a hope in hell of winning people over is if he went back to Cleveland, and with the team theyre building theyd be better off to avoid his stat padding hogging ass...

[9erempiree]

LOL no not at all :oldlol: Kobe wouldnt even be in the finals right now if you replaced him with lebron. Anyways, 4 mvps which will turn into 5 once he goes back to cleveland to play with irving, embiid, and waiters and wins 1 or more rings. Lebron is going to be 2nd goat, no questions asked.

So you're saying he should swap teams again?

:facepalm