Can everyone shut up about how "stacked" Miami is now?

[Solefade]

LeBron 19 pts in the 3rd qtr, rest of the team had 2 :facepalm

this team has no answer for boris diaw

[knicksman]

they are stacked. They just dont fit because they have a statpadder on their team dumbass

[Foster5k]

they are stacked. They just dont fit because they have a statpadder on their team dumbass
Lebron the best player in the league. He basically carried this team the entire season. Miami without Lebron would not even be in the finals.

This Miami team was never stacked. 00s Lakers were stacked, not this Heat team and never was.

[Solefade]

they are stacked. They just dont fit because they have a statpadder on their team dumbass



man what the hell are you even talking about you dumbass you make no sense

[DetroitPistonFan]

If a team has former All-Stars and guys who used to put up 10 PPG, RPG, APG whatever or more, they are stack team. Are you gonna say the '06 Heat team weren't stacked?

[GODbe]

they are stacked. They just dont fit because they have a statpadder on their team dumbass
Exactly:applause: .

[HOoopCityJones]

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[HOoopCityJones]

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[rule1223]

they are stacked. They just dont fit because they have a statpadder on their team dumbass
:applause: :applause:

[veilside23]

they still need melo and chris paul go ahead :D

[pegasus]

They are even more stacked than they were in the last two years. You live by Lebron-ball, you choke by Lebron-ball. Him not coming out with any energy in either one of these home games is inexcusable. Who else gets abused by a 22-year old twice in NBA finals?

[PsychoBe]

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:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Beastmode88]

they will all take paycuts for melo and klove

[RedBlackAttack]

This is exactly why I'm so appreciative of what the Spurs are doing. They are a far greater team than the sum of their parts.

Miami has the better individual talent. I'm not sure how anyone could deny that. You pull this Spurs team apart and stick these guys in different situations and on different teams, many of them would have minimal to no impact. Boris Diaw is a perfect example... his career looked over a few years ago.

The Spurs snatched him up and now he's flourishing in the perfect role and in the perfect system.

Conversely, you pull this Miami team apart and they're going to play like the very talented players they are regardless of the system or where they go. In a lot of cases, they'd have more impact on games in other systems.

What you're seeing is the difference between a random collection of talent and a true team, in every sense of the word. One team maximizes every ounce of every player's talent/skill and the other hopes they have enough talent to overwhelm the opponent.

Good lesson for casual basketball fans.

[Solefade]

They are even more stacked than they were in the last two years. You live by Lebron-ball, you choke by Lebron-ball. Him not coming out with any energy in either one of these home games is inexcusable. Who else gets abused by a 22-year old twice in NBA finals?


what is "lebron ball" exactly? dont you all criticize him for passing too much but apparently by passing too much he makes everyone shittier? :roll:


if lebron makes teammates shittier then what is kobe ball doing?

[ILLsmak]

LeBron 19 pts in the 3rd qtr, rest of the team had 2 :facepalm

this team has no answer for boris diaw


The Nets were stacked this year, the Lakers were stacked with Kobe and Dwight or with Malone and Payton. Stacked teams lose bad. It happens.

Stacked is a team's capabilities not how they perform. If everyone shits the bed, that doesn't mean a team is incapable.

-Smak

[kamil]

It's a RELATIVELY stacked team.

Fvck.

[Fudge]

Just because they're getting their asses kicked by the better TEAM, doesn't mean that they're aren't stacked. :hammerhead:

[Solefade]

This is exactly why I'm so appreciative of what the Spurs are doing. They are a far greater team than the sum of their parts.

Miami has the better individual talent. I'm not sure how anyone could deny that. You pull this Spurs team apart and stick these guys in different situations and on different teams, many of them would have minimal to no impact. Boris Diaw is a perfect example... his career looked over a few years ago.

The Spurs snatched him up and now he's flourishing in the perfect role and in the perfect system.

Conversely, you pull this Miami team apart and they're going to play like the very talented players they are regardless of the system or where they go. In a lot of cases, they'd have more impact on games in other systems.

What you're seeing is the difference between a random collection of talent and a true team, in every sense of the word. One team maximizes every ounce of every player's talent/skill and the other hopes they have enough talent to overwhelm the opponent.

Good lesson for casual basketball fans.

this has nothing to do with how lebron scored 19 of 21 pts in the 3rd qtr and d.wade shooting 3-13 in a finals game

[stalkerforlife]

The Heat are stacked.

Don't be pathetic.

[Dr.J4ever]

This is exactly why I'm so appreciative of what the Spurs are doing. They are a far greater team than the sum of their parts.

Miami has the better individual talent. I'm not sure how anyone could deny that. You pull this Spurs team apart and stick these guys in different situations and on different teams, many of them would have minimal to no impact. Boris Diaw is a perfect example... his career looked over a few years ago.

The Spurs snatched him up and now he's flourishing in the perfect role and in the perfect system.

Conversely, you pull this Miami team apart and they're going to play like the very talented players they are regardless of the system or where they go. In a lot of cases, they'd have more impact on games in other systems.

What you're seeing is the difference between a random collection of talent and a true team, in every sense of the word. One team maximizes every ounce of every player's talent/skill and the other hopes they have enough talent to overwhelm the opponent.

Good lesson for casual basketball fans.

Great post! Couldn't have said it better.

I really hope SA demolishes the Heat in Game 5 just to punctuate it. I really want it to be hammered in the mind of all these "stans". We need to get back to rooting for teams, rather than players.

[Solefade]

Just because they're getting their asses kicked by the better TEAM, doesn't mean that they're aren't stacked. :hammerhead:



b-b-b-but you said heat are the most stacked team of all time

[RedBlackAttack]

this has nothing to do with how lebron scored 19 of 21 pts in the 3rd qtr and d.wade shooting 3-13 in a finals game
No. Absolutely nothing.

The Heat actually lost ground during that 19 point "explosion" by LeBron, because they were continually getting owned on the other end. It had no impact on the game whatsoever. The rest of the team was 1-for-8 during that run. Had they gone 5-for-8, they still would have been down 15-20 points.

A group of talented individuals vs. a true team. That's what you're seeing.

[pegasus]

what is "lebron ball" exactly? dont you all criticize him for passing too much but apparently by passing too much he makes everyone shittier? :roll:


if lebron makes teammates shittier then what is kobe ball doing?
Hogging the ball. Looking to squeeze an assist or a point out of every play for himself. Passing the ball to a teammate when there's one second left on the clock. And also this year... playing no defense.

[knicksman]

b-b-b-but you said heat are the most stacked team of all time

you just exposed your IQ with that reply:lol

[Killbot]

Stackpadder

[ILLsmak]

b-b-b-but you said heat are the most stacked team of all time

Bron is a top 10 player, seriously. I dunno how anyone can dispute that at this point.

He has a lot of help in what is a historically bad era, especially in the east. They are stacked.

Here's a great example for you: The Heat just beat the shit out of Indy, which was the best team in the East. Indy was stacked, but they didn't have a player of LeBron's caliber so the Heat were much better.

However, Indy played like ass before and into the playoffs. They got blown out by Washington. You have to win the games, just having good players doesn't mean you win by default. Especially without calls.

This Spurs team is playing great, they are ****ing embarrassing Miami. But it's a lack of effort and focus. They aren't even close to as talented. It's kind of sad.

-Smak

[Captain Clutch]

This is exactly why I'm so appreciative of what the Spurs are doing. They are a far greater team than the sum of their parts.

Miami has the better individual talent. I'm not sure how anyone could deny that. You pull this Spurs team apart and stick these guys in different situations and on different teams, many of them would have minimal to no impact. Boris Diaw is a perfect example... his career looked over a few years ago.

The Spurs snatched him up and now he's flourishing in the perfect role and in the perfect system.

Conversely, you pull this Miami team apart and they're going to play like the very talented players they are regardless of the system or where they go. In a lot of cases, they'd have more impact on games in other systems.

What you're seeing is the difference between a random collection of talent and a true team, in every sense of the word. One team maximizes every ounce of every player's talent/skill and the other hopes they have enough talent to overwhelm the opponent.

Good lesson for casual basketball fans.

:applause:

[Solefade]

Hogging the ball. Looking to squeeze an assist or a point out of every play for himself. Passing the ball to a teammate when there's one second left on the clock. And also this year... playing no defense.


do you even watch heat games? like serious question lol

you just like to hate by continually pulling "facts" out of your ass

[Rake2204]

This is exactly why I'm so appreciative of what the Spurs are doing. They are a far greater team than the sum of their parts.

Miami has the better individual talent. I'm not sure how anyone could deny that. You pull this Spurs team apart and stick these guys in different situations and on different teams, many of them would have minimal to no impact. Boris Diaw is a perfect example... his career looked over a few years ago.

The Spurs snatched him up and now he's flourishing in the perfect role and in the perfect system.

Conversely, you pull this Miami team apart and they're going to play like the very talented players they are regardless of the system or where they go. In a lot of cases, they'd have more impact on games in other systems.

What you're seeing is the difference between a random collection of talent and a true team, in every sense of the word. One team maximizes every ounce of every player's talent/skill and the other hopes they have enough talent to overwhelm the opponent.

Good lesson for casual basketball fans.This is a great post. Well stated.

[Solefade]

Bron is a top 10 player, seriously. I dunno how anyone can dispute that at this point.

He has a lot of help in what is a historically bad era, especially in the east. They are stacked.

Here's a great example for you: The Heat just beat the shit out of Indy, which was the best team in the East. Indy was stacked, but they didn't have a player of LeBron's caliber so the Heat were much better.

However, Indy played like ass before and into the playoffs. They got blown out by Washington. You have to win the games, just having good players doesn't mean you win by default. Especially without calls.

This Spurs team is playing great, they are ****ing embarrassing Miami. But it's a lack of effort and focus. They aren't even close to as talented. It's kind of sad.

-Smak

the only time wade was really good during this championship run was 2011...mentioning this year's indy team is so irrelevant because they fell off a cliff, they got taken to 7 games by ATL and 6 by the Wizards. but yes they are stacked for their conference but to teams that matter they're not that stacked. lebron's been playing with an injured 2nd option the past 3 years.

my point is lebron's teammates are under performing and that's a fact. mario chalmers and wade are performing HORRIBLY.

[SOD 21]

I agree that Lebron had very little help outside of two other franchise players of his choosing, not to mention future Hall of Fame players, and also another future Hall of Fame player and all-time leading three point shooter in Ray Allen.

So yes, outside of that Lebron had very little help. It sounds like a having four franchise players for the Heat is in in order.

I do believe that Lebron can lead an all-star team to the championship, maybe.

[Andrei89]

I agree that Lebron had very little help outside of two other franchise players of his choosing, not to mention future Hall of Fame players, and also another future Hall of Fame player and all-time leading three point shooter in Ray Allen.

So yes, outside of that Lebron had very little help. It sounds like a having four franchise players for the Heat is in in order.


Did you see how those franchise players actually played in the finals?

Or are we just gonna make stupid arguments. Oh , wait, its ISH :bowdown: :bowdown:

[SOD 21]

Did you see how those franchise players actually played in the finals?

Or are we just gonna make stupid arguments. Oh , wait, its ISH :bowdown: :bowdown:

Yes, I did.

But these franchise players were the ones that Lebron James handpicked from the Olympic team and that he was convinced would lead to 5, 6, 7 or even more championships. Those are his words, not mine.

Chris Bosh averaged 24 points, 11 rebounds, three assists and a PER that was the fourth highest in the league in his final season in Toronto. Lebron's need to constantly have the ball in his hands and the way that Bosh is being relegated to a spot-up shooter is limiting him from being far more effective and impactful player. He was also just entering his prime when joining Lebron.

Meanwhile, all Dwyane Wade has done in his four years with Leborn is average 22 points per game, five rebounds, five assists and over 50% from the field, but I guess this is scrub territory and deemed far from giving Lebron the type of royal support that he needs.

[ILLsmak]

the only time wade was really good during this championship run was 2011...mentioning this year's indy team is so irrelevant because they fell off a cliff, they got taken to 7 games by ATL and 6 by the Wizards. but yes they are stacked for their conference but to teams that matter they're not that stacked. lebron's been playing with an injured 2nd option the past 3 years.

my point is lebron's teammates are under performing and that's a fact. mario chalmers and wade are performing HORRIBLY.

Shit, way later...

But Wade doesn't need to get 25 ppg. I mean, they played so bad in the Finals after playing well to get there... it's almost like they set Bron up. lol.

They had plenty of talent to win. They had shooters (who suddenly stopped making shots) and their whole team stopped playing D, for some reason.

If the Heat played like they played vs SAS, they wouldn't have gotten to the Finals. So, something happened. Maybe it was just bad luck at the wrong time.

-Smak

[houston]

yup indeed

[Hizack]

Whether a team is stacked or not and whether they perform well or bad is not related.
In other words, a stacked team can underachieve. At least sometimes.
A stacked team can be defeated by another team. At least sometimes.

Let alone that it is just a series. A 5-game span. A small sample size.


The Nets were stacked this year, the Lakers were stacked with Kobe and Dwight or with Malone and Payton. Stacked teams lose bad. It happens.

Stacked is a team's capabilities not how they perform. If everyone shits the bed, that doesn't mean a team is incapable.

-Smak
So, this......


Just because they're getting their asses kicked by the better TEAM, doesn't mean that they're aren't stacked. :hammerhead:
...... and this.

[Bandito]

I love how op only answers the trolls:lol

[97 bulls]

I still feel they're stacked. There's basically seven positions on an NBA team. PG, SG, SF, PF, C, 6th man, and the bench. This is where I feel the Heat rank by thise positions:

PG. 26th (honestly would have to really look to see so that's a guestimate)

SG. 2nd or 3rd

SF. 1st

PF. No lower than 4th

C. 30th

6th man 3rd

Bench. middle of the pack. Four of the seven positions. How many teams can boast that?

They rank top 5 in

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I still feel they're stacked. There's basically seven positions on an NBA team. PG, SG, SF, PF, C, 6th man, and the bench. This is where I feel the Heat rank by thise positions:

PG. 26th (honestly would have to really look to see so that's a guestimate)

SG. 2nd or 3rd

SF. 1st

PF. No lower than 4th

C. 30th

6th man 3rd

Bench. middle of the pack. Four of the seven positions. How many teams can boast that?

They rank top 5 in

Bosh is not the 4th best 4. (Dirk, love, Griffin, Davis at the very least are better)

Ray Allen is not the 3rd best 6th man. Manu, Crawford, Gibson off the top of my head are better.

As for Wade - if he's gonna play 50 games in the regular season and then suck in the Finals there are a number of SGs i'd consider over him.

[Sarcastic]

Miami is stacked as fuark.


If they weren't stacked, and Lebron could win with an unstacked team, then why didn't he win in Cleveland?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Miami is stacked as fuark.


If they weren't stacked, and Lebron could win with an unstacked team, then why didn't he win in Cleveland?
Because Cleveland wasn't just "unstacked", it was awful. Mo Williams as the best offensive player he played with in 7 years? You gotta be kidding me.

[97 bulls]

Bosh is not the 4th best 4. (Dirk, love, Griffin, Davis at the very least are better)

Ray Allen is not the 3rd best 6th man. Manu, Crawford, Gibson off the top of my head are better.

As for Wade - if he's gonna play 50 games in the regular season and then suck in the Finals there are a number of SGs i'd consider over him.
Bosh is even better now than he was in Toronto. He has a deadly 3pt shot now. Im sure if he were to be back into a situation simialr to Toronto, hed be avg 25/10 easily. Im not gonnabl penalize him for playing role that stifles his overall production.

Wade having a bad finals means nothing more than that. 50 games from Wade is better than most of the other SGs in the league.

There arent very many 6th men better than Allen. Even if you take him fourth over me saying hes third. We agree hes one of the best.

The Heats problem is similar to the showtime Lakers after 86. Kareem wasn't the same player and while good, he was no longer good enough to take the first option role. All they did was switch roles. Magic and Worthy assumed the scoring duties and Jabaar fed off that.

The Heat need to move Bosh into the number two role and Wade needs to assume a role similar to Ron Harper's when he was in Chicago. Be a defensive stopper. Spoelstras biggest mistake is having James do everything. Wade needs to drop down to 10-12 ppg and relieve James role of having to defend the oppositions best player.

Theres more than enough talent on that team. They just need to channel it correctly.

[Bandito]

What they need is to fire Spoelstra and get a good coach whos not afraid to say no to the superstars.

[1987_Lakers]

How do people define stacked? Miami is not a deep team. Top heavy? Sure.

They obviously need some changes. Need to add more zone on defense since they are getting older and older, they can't no longer swarm around like they did in 2012. They also need a big man who can patrol the paint and rebound, Birdman is not the solution. They are a horrible rebounding team and lack rim protection. If they add a scoring guard (someone like Mills) who can take some pressure off LeBron and a good big man in the offseason they will be fine.

[Mr. Jabbar]

i hate bran but wade is a fkn corpse :roll:

[knicksman]

saying miami isnt stacked is like saying boston big 3 isnt stacked. Only idiots have that kind of logic. They just dont fit because of lebron ball. Having 3 stars means you play like boston and not selfish statpadding game that lebron does

[Sarcastic]

Because Cleveland wasn't just "unstacked", it was awful. Mo Williams as the best offensive player he played with in 7 years? You gotta be kidding me.


Mo Williams was putting up the same numbers Wade put up. He put up 18/4/4 vs the Celtics. I think Wade was 15/4/3 vs the Spurs. Not much of a difference there.

[GimmeThat]

a good sandwich is a good sandwich