Kobe-haters nightmare scenario is unfolding before us

[Eye Test]

Some facts are irrefutable, like duncan being a role player in this almost perfect well oiled pop machine, lebron with good fg% but not taking the next step all-time greats would..

Kobe comfortably watching the Finals from his GOAT top 5 couch :applause:

[Rodmantheman]

Why Tim Duncan> kobe if it wasn't official already lol

[Magic 32]

Why Tim Duncan> kobe if it wasn't official already lol

This was not what you hoped for a week ago was it ? :roll: :roll: :roll:

[DFish24]

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[Rodmantheman]

Either way Kobe goes down the list he isn't moving up:roll: :roll: :roll:

[tomtucker]

kobe don

[Spurs5Rings2014]

5 vs 5
3/4 vs 2
2 vs 1

Top 5 vs Top 10-15

[Eye Test]

[QUOTE=tomtucker]kobe don

[joeyjoejoe]

Dunno coz leanord is looking ok for finals mvp after games 3 & 4

[unbreakable]

OP ignoring Tim Duncan dominating the paint on defense? despite Kawhis great efforts on the perimeter, Tim Duncan is still the ANCHOR on this team.

Duncan has passed Kobe.. more rings as a leader, more longevity, more WCF appearances, better Finals % ..

Duncan > Kobe.. both are top 7 (timmy top 5)

[Deuce Bigalow]

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[Soundwave]

Meh, I wouldn't get too carried away, LeBron is still likely to win at least one more if he doesn't this year, that would give him 3 as the no.1 option to Kobe's 2.

[bigkingsfan]

Duncan can't put up big numbers because he's too busy on the bench in the 4th.

[Eye Test]

OP ignoring Tim Duncan dominating the paint on defense? despite Kawhis great efforts on the perimeter, Tim Duncan is still the ANCHOR on this team.

Duncan has passed Kobe.. more rings as a leader, more longevity, more WCF appearances, better Finals % ..

Duncan > Kobe.. both are top 7 (timmy top 5)

duncan is great dont get me wrong, but he has greatly benefited from pop and his teams, kobe is the better talented individual player and has done more with less. either way duncan vs kobe is a worthy conversation unlike bron vs kobe

[russwest0]

it's like 9er said, the more the spurs keep winning, the more kobe moves up the all time lists

[Akrazotile]

its the eye test not the rings, there is a reason horry isnt above kobe or tim


Nah, Horry's above Kobe :confusedshrug:

[ImKobe]

Duncan has basically been a non factor in these Finals and has regressed by the game, 2 blocks for the entire series with his elite rim protection.

Kawhi Leonard will win the Finals MVP unless he has a horrible game while Duncan has a vintage night. The kid has been everything in this series on the road.

[SuperPippen]

The things you Kobe stans tell yourselves. They seriously boggle my mind.

Duncan being the Spurs most consistent player and defensive anchor is him being a "non-factor"? A "role player?" If you wanna call Timmy a role player, then everyone on this Spurs teams is a role player.


You salty clowns have so much hate in your hearts. It's pathetic.

[miller-time]

duncan is great dont get me wrong, but he has greatly benefited from pop and his teams, kobe is the better talented individual player and has done more with less. either way duncan vs kobe is a worthy conversation unlike bron vs kobe

Kobe didn't benefit from Phil? Didn't benefit from SHAQ!?

[west_tip]

Duncan being the Spurs most consistent player and defensive anchor is him being a "non-factor"? A "role player?" If you wanna call Timmy a role player, then everyone on this Spurs teams is a role player.


The thing is its not the insult that these Kobe worshippers think it is.

The fact that Duncan has taken a different, perhaps reduced role in the autumnal years of his NBA career speaks to his leadership skills (Tim has always been a team first guy) and also his intelligence.

Kobe would never be capable of such selflessness, in fact his inflated contract is the the biggest obstacle to the future success of the Lakers. Neither would he reinvent himself for the betterment of his team, with Kobe it has always been about Kobe.

[iBandwagon]

Some facts are irrefutable, like duncan being a role player in this almost perfect well oiled pop machine, lebron with good fg% but not taking the next step all-time greats would..

Kobe comfortably watching the Finals from his GOAT top 5 couch :applause:

It's all good, Kobe got 3 of his championships as a sidekick too.

[Eye Test]

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[DMAVS41]

Duncan has basically been a non factor in these Finals and has regressed by the game, 2 blocks for the entire series with his elite rim protection.

Kawhi Leonard will win the Finals MVP unless he has a horrible game while Duncan has a vintage night. The kid has been everything in this series on the road.

16/5/4 41% TS 96 ortg 116 drtg

vs

16/11/2 62% TS 112 ortg 107 drtg


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[moe94]

16/5/4 41% TS 96 ortg 116 drtg

vs

16/11/2 62% TS 112 ortg 107 drtg


:no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no:
ouch

[T_L_P]

When will you Kobe stans learn.

The people who are saying "Duncan>Kobe" probably thought that before this year. Winning a fifth ring would simply stop the stupid "5>4" thing, because Duncan is every bit as important to this team as Kobe was in 2000.

Duncan has been the best or second best Spur this postseason. How on Earth can your second leading scorer, leading rebounder and shot blocker, and leader in PER/Win Shares be a role player? What role is he filling, to be a consistent scorer and defensive anchor?

Duncan did more in his first four rings than Kobe did in all five of his...Duncan's first two runs can be argued ahead of any of Kobe's (although 2003 is easily the best of any of their championship runs). And none of his four rings saw him play less effective than Kobe in 2000 and, to a lesser extent, 2002.

Kobe won his rings with the greatest coach of all time, one of the top 6-7 players of all time (at his peak), and another guy who was a 20/11/4 player during one run. Duncan won with a non-proven coach, past-his-prime David Robinson, Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili, on teams that rarely went over the salary cap and never stooped to trying to copy the Heat to success (see 2013, one of the biggest failures in NBA history).

Duncan did more with less, and was simply more effective at his peak and for a longer period.

Duncan > Kobe.

[Artillery]

Some facts are irrefutable, like duncan being a role player in this almost perfect well oiled pop machine, lebron with good fg% but not taking the next step all-time greats would..

Kobe comfortably watching the Finals from his GOAT top 5 couch :applause:

If 2014 Duncan's a role player, what do you call 2000 Kobe?

[chazzy]

Duncan was already ahead of Kobe before this, so it doesn't really matter if he doesn't get the FMVP. But the fact that there's no consensus FMVP favorite shows the beauty of Pop's system and how balanced they are.

[Artillery]

16/5/4 41% TS 96 ortg 116 drtg

vs

16/11/2 62% TS 112 ortg 107 drtg


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BOOM

[DonDadda59]

Duncan so far in the finals this year: 15.8 PPG/ 10.5 RPG (59% FG)

Kobe in '00 Finals: 15.6 PPG/ 4.6 RPG/ 4.2 APG (36.7% FG) *Shaq 38 PPG/ 16.7 RPG/ 2.3 APG/ 2.7 BPG (61% FG)*

But old man Duncan's the role player?

[Eye Test]

kobe haters shook and riled up in this thread :lol

[JT123]

kobe haters shook and riled up in this thread :lol
Dude, take the L and let your thread die in piece. You Kobetards are just embarrassing yourselves at this point. :oldlol:

[chazzy]

Duncan so far in the finals this year: 15.8 PPG/ 10.5 RPG (59% FG)

Kobe in '00 Finals: 15.6 PPG/ 4.6 RPG/ 4.2 APG (36.7% FG) *Shaq 38 PPG/ 16.7 RPG/ 2.3 APG/ 2.7 BPG (61% FG)*

But old man Duncan's the role player?
Neither were role players. 21/5/4 playoff run for Kobe that year despite the injury plagued finals

[Heavincent]

Because all Kobe haters are either die hard Bran stans or closet Bran stans.

[Eye Test]

closet Bran stans.

they are being exposed right now tho

but bran stans not all is bad, the pain will be over soon, in about 3 hours to be precise :roll:

[DonDadda59]

Neither were role players. 21/5/4 playoff run for Kobe that year despite the injury plagued finals

AKA homeless man's James Harden.

[PickernRoller]

The haters are trying hard to spin it tho. I have seen Lebron stans already on the Duncan>Kobe bandwagon.

Fact is they know if the Spurs win this series:

Kobe still greater than Duncan and Lebron will be a Top 15 player for a longgggggg time.

Their pain will hit peak soon no doubt.

[Heavincent]

AKA homeless man's James Harden.

99-00 Kobe is 10X the player James Haren is. Much better defender, and obviously a significantly better playoff performer.

lol at that comparison.

[JT123]

they are being exposed right now tho

but bran stans not all is bad, the pain will be over soon, in about 3 hours to be precise :roll:
We not even sweating it homie. Bron has at least another decade to add to his ring collection, he he will be in the running every year whether you like it or not. Kobetards on the other hand will be forced to watch their hero embarrass himself over the next 2 years, as he struggles to lead the Lakers to 30 wins while averaging 15 ppg on 38%. :roll:

[Eye Test]

The haters are trying hard to spin it tho. I have seen Lebron stans already on the Duncan>Kobe bandwagon.

Fact is they know if the Spurs win this series:

Kobe still greater than Duncan and Lebron will be a Top 15 player for a longgggggg time.

if bran lost they were hoping to play the duncan > kobe card, which has been irrevocably denied :oldlol:

[JellyBean]

Some facts are irrefutable, like duncan being a role player in this almost perfect well oiled pop machine, lebron with good fg% but not taking the next step all-time greats would..

Kobe comfortably watching the Finals from his GOAT top 5 couch :applause:

:applause:

[PickernRoller]

99-00 Kobe is 10X the player James Haren is. Much better defender, and obviously a significantly better playoff performer.

lol at that comparison.

LeTard preaching for two years in a row to be a Heat fan and now finally giving up on his act.

Don't sweat it with a clown.

[DonDadda59]

99-00 Kobe is 10X the player James Haren is. Much better defender, and obviously a significantly better playoff performer.

lol at that comparison.

OK, poor man's Russell Westbrook.

[chazzy]

AKA homeless man's James Harden.
The guy who falls apart in the playoffs? So Duncan's 16/9 is a homeless man's what?

[DonDadda59]

The guy who falls apart in the playoffs?

Give him prime Shaq and he could put up 15 PPG in the finals on 37% shooting and still win the ring :lol


So Duncan's 16/9 is a homeless man's what?

38 year old Duncan... so a homeless man's prime Tim Duncan.

[chazzy]

Give him prime Shaq and he could put up 15 PPG in the finals on 37% shooting and still win the ring :lol

Are you forgetting the 7 game series against the Blazers, down 15 second half of G7? Good luck getting there

[PickernRoller]

Are you forgetting the 7 game series against the Blazers, down 15 second half of G7? Good luck getting there

He doesn't have the requisite knowledge to argue that.

Should be fun watching ISH after tonite's game.

[Heavincent]

Give him prime Shaq and he could put up 15 PPG in the finals on 37% shooting and still win the ring :lol


They wouldn't even get there because 37% is literally the standard for Haren in the playoffs. That's actually exactly what he shot in this years playoffs. A whopping 39% the year before :oldlol:

Not to mention his laughable defense compared to Kobe's league best perimeter defense in 2000.

[chazzy]

16/5/4 41% TS 96 ortg 116 drtg

vs

16/11/2 62% TS 112 ortg 107 drtg


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Who's numbers are these?

edit: oh I thought it was Kawhi vs Duncan. Nvm

[Ne 1]

Meh, I wouldn't get too carried away, LeBron is still likely to win at least one more if he doesn't this year, that would give him 3 as the no.1 option to Kobe's 2.
Irrelevant. Kobe's 2001 and 2002 rings are on par with or better than some rings won as the "no 1 option." And this "rings as the no 1 option" isn't even a real category, it's a faux category yet elitist fans on sites like ISH like to through it out like it's a statistic. :oldlol: Rings are rings.

[jongib369]

Will Kobe be able to play a full season at Duncans age without doing his best Greg Oden impression?