Forget His Bad 4TH Quarter Performance, How do you Explain Those LeBron Finals Stats?

[sbw19]

15 assists (3.75apg)
18 turnovers (4.5tpg)
0.83 a/t ratio (1.54 in games prior to the Finals)
0 blocks in 4 games

+/- LeBron Kawhi
Gm1 -15 +15
Gm2 +2 -2
Gm3 -19 +19
Gm4 -23 +21

cumulative +/-
-55 (-13.75/g) vs +53 (+13.25/g)

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Is it mainly on LeBron? his teammates? Spoelstra? :confusedshrug:

[SyRyanYang]

but, but where is his fg%?

[sbw19]

but, but where is his fg%?

Lost somewhere in Miami's inept 92.8ppg Finals output.

[MagnumT/A]

15 assists (3.75apg)
18 turnovers (4.5tpg)
0.83 a/t ratio (1.54 in games prior to the Finals)
0 blocks in 4 games

+/- LeBron Kawhi
Gm1 -15 +15
Gm2 +2 -2
Gm3 -19 +19
Gm4 -23 +21

cumulative +/-
-55 (-13.75/g) vs +53 (+13.25/g)

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Is it mainly on LeBron? his teammates? Spoelstra? :confusedshrug:


I think its just that the Spurs know that they should've won last year. Unfinished business.

[tanner892]

14 total points scored in teh 4th quarter over 4 games. average = 3.5

[Smook A.]

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[J Shuttlesworth]

I'll say this... LeBron sets the tone for the team, and he didn't do a good job setting the tone besides in game 2 where he was living in the paint the first half. That's what I wanted to see more of. Obviously Wade had a shitty shitty game along w/ Chalmers and most of the other role players, but I'd be lying if I said LeBron didn't deserve any blame.

But yeah of course he's gonna have a worse +/- when his team is getting blown out

[Quickening]

team getting blown out, brings up plus minuses... :applause:

Lebron hasn't been great this series, but when your team is conceding 60 points by half time, its difficult.

[Rose'sACL]

15 assists (3.75apg)
18 turnovers (4.5tpg)
0.83 a/t ratio (1.54 in games prior to the Finals)
0 blocks in 4 games

+/- LeBron Kawhi
Gm1 0 +15
Gm2 +2 -2
Gm3 -19 +19
Gm4 -23 +21

cumulative +/-
-55 (-13.75/g) vs +53 (+13.25/g)

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Is it mainly on LeBron? his teammates? Spoelstra? :confusedshrug:

fixed. stop making up stats. lebron hasn't played on the level we expect him to play on in game 3 and 4 but he was fantastic in game 1 and 2. Wade and others play against the bench a lot. Lebron mostly plays against starters.
I am a spurs fan and not one of those spurs fan because i hate some player. i used to praise kobe when he played great against us in playoffs.
Spo is definitely at fault and wade is probably the biggest problem. Problem with wade is that he can look great for 5 mins and then go completely flat. Lebron too can be at fault for not trying hard with alternate line-ups Spo put on the court.
I used to see lebron not trying hard when he was in a game in which wade was sitting out and heat were down. He would just chuck some shots and then give up if team was down big instead of driving to the basket. May be Spo didn't have any plays designed for those line-ups or lebron was just not trying hard enough expecting that wade would be healthy for playoffs which he has not been. he was bad against nets and he is bad in the finals.
lebron is still to blame for game 3 loss though and a little bit for game 4 loss as he lets spurs get that big lead before trying hard.
Spurs are not a team miami can totally stop from scoring for big stretches so it is almost impossible to come back.
The only way for this loss not influencing his legacy is if he has a couple of monster games and forces at least a close game 6. Outside of allen/lewis hitting ridiculous contested 3s or lebron having multiple 'game 6 boston' type of games, i don't see heat winning even 1 more game. I am sure Jordan would have had at least 1 monster game in this condition even if his team lost.

[pauk]

15 assists (3.75apg)
18 turnovers (4.5tpg)
0.83 a/t ratio (1.54 in games prior to the Finals)
0 blocks in 4 games

+/- LeBron Kawhi
Gm1 -15 +15
Gm2 +2 -2
Gm3 -19 +19
Gm4 -23 +21

cumulative +/-
-55 (-13.75/g) vs +53 (+13.25/g)

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Is it mainly on LeBron? his teammates? Spoelstra? :confusedshrug:


+/- has little to zero obligation for one individual player and also little to zero logic when evaluating a players performance in a game because no matter if Player A plays better than anybody his +/- can look even worse than Player B who had 0 points on that team, simply because Player B was on the bench when his team was playing bad and was in when they played good.... Player A's (no matter how good he plays) +/- will also look worse than the entire opposing teams roster if that team is doing better....

Which means a great +/- comes with winning and being on the right time at the right moment....

Because of this, because the Spurs are up 3-1 it means they scored more/won more/lineups performed better.... hence it means that not only Kawhi could end up having better +/- but literally any other Spurs player aswell.....

Hope you learned something.

[sbw19]

I'll say this... LeBron sets the tone for the team, and he didn't do a good job setting the tone besides in game 2 where he was living in the paint the first half. That's what I wanted to see more of. Obviously Wade had a shitty shitty game along w/ Chalmers and most of the other role players, but I'd be lying if I said LeBron didn't deserve any blame.

But yeah of course he's gonna have a worse +/- when his team is getting blown out

Agreed. An aggressive from the get-go LeBron can and probably will bring this series back to Miami for a Gm6. I believe he's that good. Big Q mark. Can't wait for Gm5.


team getting blown out, brings up plus minuses... :applause:

Lebron hasn't been great this series, but when your team is conceding 60 points by half time, its difficult.

When +/- is a mirror image with almost exact deficits it's worth bringing up. I honestly thought something was amiss when I first saw that. And LeBron's lack of assertiveness in 1st half was part of the reason why they conceded that many points. Didn't put much pressure on Spurs' defense and they established their rhythm and offensive flow. Wade, Bosh, role players, ditto. All lacked urgency and paid for it.

[sbw19]

fixed. stop making up stats. lebron hasn't played on the level we expect him to play on in game 3 and 4 but he was fantast....


+/- has little to zero obligation for one individual player and also little to zero logic when e.....

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