Leadership/coaching/motivation

[Pointguard]

Who on Miami is playing hard?

Allen stays active and Birdman is himself. I really have a problem with everybody else.

Guys not going after rebounds, not fighting to go around picks, not going hard to the hoop. This is the biggest let down.

[-Lebron23-]

Bosh plays with a hard on

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Your BEST players lead by example..

Wade and LeBron have been "ghost" for LONG stretches of this series. Not a good look.

[r15mohd]

Who on Miami is playing hard?

Allen stays active and Birdman is himself. I really have a problem with everybody else.

Guys not going after rebounds, not fighting to go around picks, not going hard to the hoop. This is the biggest let down.


it's being done in waves IMO from Wade/Lebron...Bosh is always fighting, can never knock him on that even tho many of you think he's soft, he's fighting IMO. Haslem came in and tried his best, albeit for a few minutes though. Birdman for sure...but it's not about "who's trying"...when the other teams shots are falling like they are, what are you really to do when your shots, or your teams shots just can't compete?

you're damned if you do and damned if you don't...he plays up to the lead and it's empty stats, they are lackadaisical in a blowout and they're "not trying"

never win measuring stick from the critics on ISH

[Pointguard]

At least they are not sitting on their ass eating skittles.
Or on medication looking like humpty dumpty and hating on everybody.

[r15mohd]

Your BEST players lead by example..

Wade and LeBron have been "ghost" for LONG stretches of this series. Not a good look.


completely wrong on Lebron...game 3 he came out gunning and the Spurs still took a huge lead. tried facilitator in the second half of game 3 and nothing there either.

game 4 lebron did the opposite, and same result...the best player is trying different means to make a dent, he's holding his own. he can't be accountable for Wade playing like a scrub or his teammates being unable to knockl down shots

take off the Lebron focals...there's plenty more to the game

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

completely wrong on Lebron...game 3 he came out gunning and the Spurs still took a huge lead. tried facilitator in the second half of game 3 and nothing there either.

game 4 lebron did the opposite, and same result...the best player is trying different means to make a dent, he's holding his own. he can't be accountable for Wade playing like a scrub or his teammates being unable to knockl down shots

take off the Lebron focals...there's plenty more to the game

You're making my point for me. Where was LeBron after that first quarter in game 3? Where was he in the first half and fourth quarter of game 4?

There is a reason Lebron has THE lowest +/- of anyone in this series...wake up.

[GimmeThat]

there IS a difference between friendship and pride.

friendship is searching/defining for a purpose
pride is standing up for that purpose.

[r15mohd]

You're making my point for me. Where was LeBron after that first quarter in game 3? Where was he in the first half and fourth quarter of game 4?

There is a reason Lebron has THE lowest +/- of anyone in this series...wake up.


:wtf: :facepalm :rolleyes:

guess you didnt read the part when Lebron went from agressor in scoring to facilitor as a different approach due to them being down...and then vice versa in game 4.

is context that hard by ISH :confusedshrug:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

:wtf: :facepalm :rolleyes:

guess you didnt read the part when Lebron went from agressor in scoring to facilitor as a different approach due to them being down...and then vice versa in game 4.

is context that hard by ISH :confusedshrug:

So you have no rebuttal? Got it.

There is no 'context' for disappearing in MULTIPLE quarters in an NBA finals series.

[r15mohd]

So you have no rebuttal? Got it.

There is no 'context' for disappearing in MULTIPLE quarters in an NBA finals series.

please re-read the posts...understand that there are different approaches to games instead of chucking shots to will your way in.

if you weren't able to view this aspect in these past 2 games, then no need to reply/quote to me. you're inferior thought process serves no purpose and is not worthy of further commenting.

have a good day

[Pointguard]

it's being done in waves IMO from Wade/Lebron...Bosh is always fighting, can never knock him on that even tho many of you think he's soft, he's fighting IMO. Haslem came in and tried his best, albeit for a few minutes though. Birdman for sure...but it's not about "who's trying"...when the other teams shots are falling like they are, what are you really to do when your shots, or your teams shots just can't compete?

you're damned if you do and damned if you don't...he plays up to the lead and it's empty stats, they are lackadaisical in a blowout and they're "not trying"

never win measuring stick from the critics on ISH
Yeah the shots are falling for SA, but guys are watching rebounds. Coaching hasn't tried a zone yet, among other things). Guys aren't saying lets go hard to the basket (Cole gives effort). How often do you feel an experienced team didnt give a great effort. Give and take Indiana was confused moreso than not trying hard. I would like to see a strong stand if somebody is coming to take your title... On the other hand, the Heat just might be exhausted.

[Pointguard]

:wtf: :facepalm :rolleyes:

guess you didnt read the part when Lebron went from agressor in scoring to facilitor as a different approach due to them being down...and then vice versa in game 4.

is context that hard by ISH :confusedshrug:
I'm upset with the coaching of Lebron, not so much him - he could go harder at rebounds, misses rotations, and doesn't push his post up presence but that's a perfect world scenario. I think he's so gifted that he has to be reminded daily of where his energies should be. There isn't a lot of team movement outside of Ray Allen on offense. I would like to so see more cuts and Bosh down low.

It could be I'm just disappointed?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

please re-read the posts...understand that there are different approaches to games instead of chucking shots to will your way in.

Once again, dumbass, there is no approach to being "waldo" for chunks of a game (nobody is talking about "chucking shots"; his defense has been terrible, and he has more turnovers than assists).

Is he solely to blame? Obviously not. He just hasn't been "great" and certainly not exempt from criticism. Wade and Mario Chalmers on the other hand...look horrible. The entire Heat squad has been thoroughly outplayed by SA.

I'm willing to be objective... Looks as tho you just have an agenda here. Pauk-level stanning.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

And this idea that Lebron either has to be a scorer or facilitator...is buffoonery. Lebron is celebrated for his all-around exploits, not being one-dimensional.

[r15mohd]

Once again, dumbass, there is no approach to being "waldo" for chunks of a game (nobody is talking about "chucking shots"; his defense has been terrible, and he has more turnovers than assists).

Is he solely to blame? Obviously not. He just hasn't been "great" and certainly not exempt from criticism. Wade and Mario Chalmers on the other hand...look horrible. The entire Heat squad has been thoroughly outplayed by SA.

I'm willing to be objective... Looks as tho you just have an agenda here. Pauk-level stanning.

you're willing to be "objective" yet this is the first post you've made here mentioning the other players sense of play...:rolleyes: interesting!

and no one said he's been great (unsure why you reiterated that) tho he's held his end but again, your criticism has focal point on Lebron, non-objectively, when the rest of the team is failing at holding their end. Wade deserved all the blame last night from shooting being 1-10 at one point and playing in slow-mo throughout the game.


as far as being Waldo, again...replay the games...he's been that way in the 4th qtr of both games due to the leads to overcome prior to being taken out. not when his approach has changed from aggressor in scoring to passive in facilitator during both games 3 and 4.

and nice retaliation with the cursing and labeling...you ask for conversation and this is included in your response :applause: :rolleyes:

[r15mohd]

And this idea that Lebron either has to be a scorer or facilitator...is buffoonery. Lebron is celebrated for his all-around exploits, not being one-dimensional.

inept thoughts once again...who said he HAS to play one-dimensional? he was aggressor in scoring and that didn't cut into the deficit so he turns to facilitator to get the team involved more as another angle of threat, and that doesnt work either.

again, if you can't see this...there's no use replying to me, but you will do so as to instill your notion in saying you're "being objective" yet criticizing one-player primarily for games where said player hasn't been the PRIMARY reason for the losses. he's played a part, but you're putting him at the forefront because he's an easy target (simple minded approach nonetheless)...just as easy as it is to decipher the b/s you're trying to pass off in putting the owness on Lebron

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

you're willing to be "objective" yet this is the first post you've made here mentioning the other players sense of play...:rolleyes: interesting!

What's wrong with pointing out LeBron and Wade's lack of aggression? Their leadership in this series, as Pointguard iterated, has been poor.


and no one said he's been great (unsure why you reiterated that) tho he's held his end but again, your criticism has focal point on Lebron, non-objectively, when the rest of the team is failing at holding their end. Wade deserved all the blame last night from shooting being 1-10 at one point and playing in slow-mo throughout the game.

I'm glad you don't think he's been great.. This conversation is progressing. :applause:

My 'criticism' of Lebron...is based on reality. He has played poor defense. He has gone missing in multiple quarters of each game in this series. His leadership has been poor. He DOES have the lowest +/- of anyone in this series.

I've already said Wade has looked horrible. In fact, I mentioned him and in my initial post. 1-10 shooting...is just that. 1/10 shooting. The guy looks defeated.


as far as being Waldo, again...replay the games...he's been that way in the 4th qtr of both games due to the leads to overcome prior to being taken out. not when his approach has changed from aggressor in scoring to passive in facilitator during both games 3 and 4.

I don't need to replay the games. I saw them live.[/quote]

LeBron simply hasn't been aggressive enough in 4th quarters. Them being down by whatever isn't a valid excuse.

[r15mohd]

What's wrong with pointing out LeBron and Wade's lack of aggression? Their leadership in this series, as Pointguard iterated, has been poor.



I'm glad you don't think he's been great.. This conversation is progressing. :applause:

My 'criticism' of Lebron...is based on reality. He has played poor defense. He has gone missing in multiple quarters of each game in this series. His leadership has been poor. He DOES have the lowest +/- of anyone in this series.

I've already said Wade has looked horrible. In fact, I mentioned him and in my initial post. 1-10 shooting...is just that. 1/10 shooting. The guy looks defeated.



I don't need to replay the games. I saw them live.


now your argumemt switches to 4th qtr play when in game 1 he was out due to injury and games 3 & 4 was gaining ground from 15-20pt leads?

and again, only focusing on Lebron...any other players to objectively throw into the mix or will it be more about Lebron, and him having to do it all on both ends?

as far as +/-...let me guess, he should be on the bench because it isn't productive enough? i mean you say you watched the game and understood it yet refer to this criteria, knowing pretty well if he had sat more based on that stat, they would of been swept. keep it gong tho!

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

inept thoughts once again...who said he HAS to play one-dimensional? he was aggressor in scoring and that didn't cut into the deficit so he turns to facilitator to get the team involved more as another angle of threat, and that doesnt work either.

No inept thoguhts at all, "wee one". Just reality.

And what? You just got done talking about the "different approaches" (scoring in the first half/facilitating in the second and vice versa). Find your brain.


again, if you can't see this...there's no use replying to me

Nobody is forcing you to quote my posts. Remember, you replied first. If you cant see the faulty logic you're using, I have no problem repeating myself.

I love educating the ill-informed.

[Pointguard]

What's wrong with pointing out LeBron and Wade's lack of aggression? Their leadership in this series, as Pointguard iterated, has been poor.

My 'criticism' of Lebron...is based on reality. He has played poor defense. He has gone missing in multiple quarters of each game in this series. His leadership has been poor. He DOES have the lowest +/- of anyone in this series.
Lebron/Wade/Bosh know as well as anybody in the league, that a team should see your nasty side, or super aggressive side before they go down 3 to 1 in a series. Last night was a weird response AT HOME to go out like they did and the way they did.

The way things look now, they look like they will go out without a fighting spirit. I hope this isn't the case. They're better than that.

[r15mohd]

No inept thoguhts at all, "wee one". Just reality.

And what? You just got done talking about the "different approaches" (scoring in the first half/facilitating in the second and vice versa). Find your brain.



Nobody is forcing you to quote my posts. Remember, you replied first. If you cant see the faulty logic you're using, I have no problem repeating myself.

I love educating the ill-informed.


repeat all you want, politicians use it as a strategy all the time...and guess what the country thinks of them :D

nevertheless, for you, it's all Lebron fault, I get it already in your stance. objective you cry above, yet it's all on Lebron :rolleyes: let me know when the NBA becomes a 1v5 sport to fit your fashion. (highlighting Wade a a couple times when his shortcomings have been more impacting than Lebron won't justify the term objective either)

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

now your argumemt switches to 4th qtr play when in game 1 he was out due to injury and games 3 & 4 was gaining ground from 15-20pt leads?

But my argument never switched. I was simply addressing your post about the 4th quarter.

I've laid out ALL my 'criticisms' of LeBron... Please don't deflect.


and again, only focusing on Lebron...any other players to objectively throw into the mix or will it be more about Lebron, and him having to do it all on both ends?

Mario Chalmers has been straight garbage. Wade has shown poor leadership and just came off...maybe the worst game of his career.

Miami as a whole have yet to match SA's intensity and focus. Their execution has been damn near perfect...is that because of Miami's defense? Not totally sure.

What I do know, is that San Antonio is in the driver seat and about to dethrone the champs...in epic fashion.


as far as +/-...let me guess, he should be on the bench because it isn't productive enough? i mean you say you watched the game and understood it yet refer to this criteria, knowing pretty well if he had sat more based on that stat, they would of been swept. keep it gong tho!

Why do Lebron fans always do this? Yall are so dramatic.

Putting your hyperbole aside, he just needs to stay aggressive and be an all-around player, like he's known to be, for the ENTIRE game.

For a 4x MVP heralded as THE best offensive player in the game...doing nothing productive for multiple quarters in NBA finals (practically scoreless, zero defense, more turnovers than assists AND having a donut in B2B 4th quarters), regardless of the score, is unacceptable. Point blank.

[Pointguard]

Coach has never integrated Bosh into the line-up.

Wade was winded in the first quarter.

Wade and Bosh get stripped by casual swipes when they go in the lane. And SA isn't that quick.

The counter argument for Lebron is that I don't know which player on the Heat really compliments him if Allen isn't hitting shots now. Lebron would be much better on a young energetic team that rebounds, is active and plays defense.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

repeat all you want, politicians use it as a strategy all the time...and guess what the country thinks of them :D

If by playing politics, you mean understanding the intricacies of basketball - a school of thought - then sure, whatever helps you cope with Miami's misfortune.


nevertheless, for you, it's all Lebron fault

beginning to think you're doing this purposely. :oldlol:

Emotional Lebron fans are crazy man..

[r15mohd]

But my argument never switched. I was simply addressing your post about the 4th quarter.

I've laid out ALL my 'criticisms' of LeBron... Please don't deflect.



Mario Chalmers has been straight garbage. Wade has shown poor leadership and just came off...maybe the worst game of his career.

Miami as a whole have yet to match SA's intensity and focus. Their execution has been damn near perfect...is that because of Miami's defense? Not totally sure.

What I do know, is that San Antonio is in the driver seat and about to dethrone the champs...in epic fashion.



Why do Lebron fans always do this? Yall are so dramatic.

Putting your hyperbole aside, he just needs to stay aggressive and be an all-around player, like he's known to be, for the ENTIRE game.

For a 4x MVP heralded as THE best offensive player in the game...doing nothing productive for multiple quarters in NBA finals (practically scoreless, zero defense, more turnovers than assists AND having a donut in B2B 4th quarters), regardless of the score, is unacceptable. Point blank.

glad to see you highlight more players and their faults, took you long enough in acknowledging this instead of Lebron Lebron Lebron...you're getting it :applause:

as for hyperbole...why is it you're highlighting the +/- stat if you're not indicating him being off the court has been better than him on it? seems you're the one putting "hyperbole" if it's so. :rolleyes:

[IGOTGAME]

Coach has never integrated Bosh into the line-up.

Wade was winded in the first quarter.

Wade and Bosh get stripped by casual swipes when they go in the lane. And SA isn't that quick.

The counter argument for Lebron is that I don't know which player on the Heat really compliments him if Allen isn't hitting shots now. Lebron would be much better on a young energetic team that rebounds, is active and plays defense.

yea, he doesn't play well with other superstars offensive players. If Bosh was playing with Prime Kobe he would be on the block posting out and Kobe would bitch him out if he wasn't rebounding, just like he did Pau.

[r15mohd]

If by playing politics, you mean understanding the intricacies of basketball - a school of thought - then sure, whatever helps you cope with Miami's misfortune.

beginning to think you're doing this purposely. :oldlol:

Emotional Lebron fans are crazy man..

emotional you point at me, yet you're the one redefining the term to fit your script...seems the "emotion" is getting to you and resulting in rhetoric

and unfortunately for you, I'm not a Lebron fan but do reside in Miami and a longstanding Heat supporter...any more sidebar statements as a line of defense to respond? even though this is ISH, you don't have to follow the norm. :sleeping

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

emotional you point at me, yet you're the one redefining the term to fit your script...seems the "emotion" is getting to you and resulting in rhetoric.[quote]

Says the poster adhering to hysterics. I'll wait for you to pull up the quote where I claimed "it's Lebron's fault".

:cheers:

[quote]and unfortunately for you, I'm not a Lebron fan but do reside in Miami and a longstanding Heat supporter...any more sidebar statements as a line of defense to respond? even though this is ISH, you don't have to follow the norm. :sleeping

Right..and I'm the mayor of Miami.

Again, I've said what I had to say. Nobody is forcing you to reply, deflections and all :oldlol:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

glad to see you highlight more players and their faults, took you long enough in acknowledging this instead of Lebron Lebron Lebron...you're getting it :applause:

Well I appreciate that you finally decided to read my posts, understanding that I've been saying this from the jump.

But hey, dont forget to dig up that "its all LeBrons fault" stuff.

Thanks in advance :rockon:

[Pointguard]

yea, he doesn't play well with other superstars offensive players. If Bosh was playing with Prime Kobe he would be on the block posting out and Kobe would bitch him out if he wasn't rebounding, just like he did Pau.

I'm just saying this team is tired. They don't have the energy now to even punch back. I blame Spoe for Bosh never really coming close to being used near max potential. I think Lebron can play with anybody. Three stars is hard across the board, unless one player is Magic Johnson. Lebron played with Wade who wasn't a great complimentary player - at least theoretically, and they won back to back.

[r15mohd]

[QUOTE=r15mohd]emotional you point at me, yet you're the one redefining the term to fit your script...seems the "emotion" is getting to you and resulting in rhetoric.[quote]

Says the poster adhering to hysterics. I'll wait for you to pull up the quote where I claimed "it's Lebron's fault".

:cheers:



Right..and I'm the mayor of Miami.

Again, I've said what I had to say. Nobody is forcing you to reply, deflections and all :oldlol:

we can play your game...if by "hysteric" you mean laughing uncontrollably at your responses, you won't find it here. :rolleyes: again, that would be infusing emotion into a few words...something which you seem to master as noted in your previous posts. the redefining, the name calling...it's obviously hitting a nerve to result to such low fashion, no? :confusedshrug:

deflections?!? :rolleyes: ok :confusedshrug: again, infusing a word until you see it to be true is a good strategy...too bad it was a strategy where visitation of history was less used. as you can see, and in most recent falls of folks like Cantor...the repeating of falacy falls on deaf ears today.

you acknowledged other Heat players being at fault a few posts back (as is rightly so), and not focusing on Lebron so much...I know that doesnt stir a crowd as does making a mockery of him (Lebron) in the spotlight, but it's a start. don't lose your train of thought just yet


no thanks needed, the pleasure was all mine in fixing that skewed thought of yours. consider it a selfless deed :D

now to turn our attention to the World Cup...#Drogba!!!!!
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[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

again, that would be infusing emotion into a few words...something which you seem to master as noted in your previous posts. the redefining, the name calling...it's obviously hitting a nerve to result to such low fashion, no? :confusedshrug:

I literally have no idea what you're talking about. Keep spouting nonsense though, its fun watching you trip over your words.


deflections?!? :rolleyes: ok :confusedshrug: again, infusing a word until you see it to be true is a good strategy...too bad it was a strategy where visitation of history was less used. as you can see, and in most recent falls of folks like Cantor...the repeating of falacy falls on deaf ears today.

You're still deflecting. This has nothing to do with the topic at hand, buddy.


you acknowledged other Heat players being at fault a few posts back (as is rightly so), and not focusing on Lebron so much...I know that doesnt stir a crowd as does making a mockery of him (Lebron) in the spotlight, but it's a start. don't lose your train of thought just yet

But the OP mentioned leadership...it wouldn't be right if my talking points were directed at Norris Cole, Toney Douglas, and the ball boy.

So yes, BOTH Wade and Lebron's leadership was disappointing, but ultimately the Heat were at fault.

Better? Can you now sleep at night? :oldlol:


no thanks needed, the pleasure was all mine in fixing that skewed thought of yours. consider it a selfless deed :D

I'm still waiting for you quote the post where I said it was "LeBrons fault".

I have complete faith you will provide us with substantive proof.

God speed, stanley :cheers: