Why do people fail to realize that Manu Ginobili is Italian, not Argentinan?

[JohnMax]

[QUOTE]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manu_Gin%C3%B3bili

Gin

[Kblaze8855]

My ancestors are from West africa. Yet...I am an american. Just how it is.

[Beastmode88]

Yes, he was born in Argentina, but his parents, and ancestors are all from Italy. His last name is also italian.

For example, Steve Nash was born in Africa, so why don't people call him Black?

:facepalm How does being where you're from relate to your skin color you dumbass. (Charlize Theron was born in South Africa as well)

[NumberSix]

Argentina is no different than America or Canada. It's mainly populated by Europeans. Manu being Argentinian is no different than Kevin Love being American.

[Foster5k]

Who cares...

[9512]

Ginobili is Italian but tony parker is french? :roll:

[NumberSix]

Spain fails so hard. The British Empire is responsible for countries like America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc.....

What does Spain have to show for itself? Shitty South American countries, and not even the one decent one which Portugal can claim. Even to this day a small section of Spain is a British colony.

You suck Spain. Kill yourself.

[La Frescobaldi]

Wikipedia confirms this

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who were you thinking lives in Argentina? It's like 85% Euro.... and big part of that is Italian.
It was mostly empty pampas until Europeans moved there starting around 1860s - 1930s, aiming to get clear away from socialism. It was the best South American country until... socialism started destroying it.... Manu's only one of the fine athletes from that area of the world, would like to see more from all over S.America.

[TheMan]

Spain fails so hard. The British Empire is responsible for countries like America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc.....

What does Spain have to show for itself? Shitty South American countries, and not even the one decent one which Portugal can claim. Even to this day a small section of Spain is a British colony.

You suck Spain. Kill yourself.
Lol :cheers:

I always tell this to my Hispanic friends, I'm Mexican with Spanish ancestors on both sides. Too many Latin Americans want to claim Spanish blood, I guess because they want to get away from the 'lowly' Amerindian blood. Fvck that, I have Amerindian blood too, being Spanish ain't shit, every country they colonized is a developing country, the British have the US, Canada, Austrailia to name a few. Even the Asian country the Spaniards colonized, the Philipines, isn't anything to brag about.

Of course though, Spaniards didn't kill off all the natives the way the Brits did :lol

[NumberSix]

Lol :cheers:

I always tell this to my Hispanic friends, I'm Mexican with Spanish ancestors on both sides. Too Latin Americans want to claim Spanish blood, I guess because they want to get away from the 'lowly' Amerindian blood. Fvck that, I have Amerindian blood too, being Spanish ain't shit, every country they colonized is a developing country, the British have the US, Canada, Austrailia to name a few. Even the Asian country the Spaniards colonized, the Philipines, isn't anything to brag about.

Of course though, Spaniards didn't kill off all the natives the way the Brits did :lol
Look at the Philippines and compare that to what The British were able to do with Hong Kong. Even what Portugal did with Macau. Spain is a joke.

[JUDGE WITNESS]

my parents are nigerian but i was born in the us. that would make me murican

[TheMan]

To the OP, Manu is as Italian as Al Pacino is...Pacino is American of Italian ancestary, Manu is an Argie of Italian ancestary.

[NumberSix]

my parents are nigerian but i was born in the us. that would make me murican
But oddly not "African American".

[TheMan]

Look at the Philippines and compare that to what The British were able to do with Hong Kong. Even what Portugal did with Macau. Spain is a joke.
True. But lots of Hispanics want to claim pure Spanish blood as if that makes them better :oldlol: Spaniards fvcked up that whole region. It is what it is.

[NumberSix]

True. But lots of Hispanics want to claim pure Spanish blood as if that makes them better :oldlol: Spaniards fvcked up that whole region. It is what it is.
Hispanics are Spanish.

Hispania = Latin word for Spain
Hispanic = Spanish

[TrueRob]

Manu is both. Argentine and Italian. Argentina has a lot of European descendants, probably because the climate works well for European agriculture.

[Threethrows]

Ethnicity is not the same as Nationality.

[TheMan]

Hispanics are Spanish.

Hispania = Latin word for Spain
Hispanic = Spanish
Okay, let me clarify. People from Mexico to Argentina and everything in between. I have a Colombian friend who obviously has some Indian and a smattering of African blood, yet he claims his family hails from Spain. I have a few Mexican friends, same shit. If you ever watch Latin American TV, they're always fair skinned actors. Latin America has this messed up thing where the more European blood you have, the better. Personally I couldn't care less but they do have that hang up down there. My mom had light brown hair with blue eyes, she was a white Mexican (they do exist) and my dad was fair skinned with curly hair. I'm darker because my grandpa had a lot of Amerindian blood. I basically look like your average latino, not too native looking but not too European either. Anyways I'm rambling, it just bothers me that too many think being of Spanish blood is special, hell no, Spain sucks.

[L8krH8tr]

Why are you talking about beaners in an Italian thread.

[NumberSix]

Ethnicity is not the same as Nationality.
"Nationality" is actually a pretty ambiguous term with no clear cut definition. For instance, "nationalism" is usually meant as the idea of state for a particular ethnic group. "Nation" often is used to mean a people, as in an ethnic group.

[NumberSix]

Okay, let me clarify. People from Mexico to Argentina and everything in between. I have a Colombian friend who obviously has some Indian and a smattering of African blood, yet he claims his family hails from Spain. I have a few Mexican friends, same shit. If you ever watch Latin American TV, they're always fair skinned actors. Latin America has this messed up thing where the more European blood you have, the better. Personally I couldn't care less but they do have that hang up down there. My mom had light brown hair with blue eyes, she was a white Mexican (they do exist) and my dad was fair skinned with curly hair. I'm darker because my grandpa had a lot of Amerindian blood. I basically look like your average latino, not too native looking but not too European either. Anyways I'm rambling, it just bothers me that too many think being of Spanish blood is special, hell no, Spain sucks.
Agreed.....

Funny thing though........ The British actually are descended from the Northern Spanish. Particularly the Basque region. That was like 10,000+ years ago though.

[knickballer]

Ethnically Manu is Italian, nationality wise he is Argentinian.

BTW, this topic gets discussed every week or so.
Person 1: Manu is Italian
Person 2: Manu is can't be white he's hispanic asshole
Person 3: Manu is Argentinian
Person 4: Manu is actually Argentinian but descendant from Europeans

[buddha]

Ginobili is Italian but tony parker is french? :roll:

If Belgium was a real country people would care.

[TheMan]

Ethnically Manu is Italian, nationality wise he is Argentinian.

BTW, this topic gets discussed every week or so.
Person 1: Manu is Italian
Person 2: Manu is can't be white he's hispanic asshole
Person 3: Manu is Argentinian
Person 4: Manu is actually Argentinian but descendant from Europeans
This

Just a bunch of ignorant 'murricans. The Americas were colonized by Europeans...the British, Spanish and Portuguese.

[SuperPippen]

Spain fails so hard. The British Empire is responsible for countries like America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc.....

What does Spain have to show for itself? Shitty South American countries, and not even the one decent one which Portugal can claim. Even to this day a small section of Spain is a British colony.

You suck Spain. Kill yourself.


Are you seriously attempting to impart some sort of sociological wisdom on a basketball forum?

You don't know dick about history, sociology, or demography. Quit pretending like you do, ******.

You suck, NumberSix. Kill yourself.

[NumberSix]

Are you seriously attempting to impart some sort of sociological wisdom on a basketball forum?

You don't know dick about history, sociology, or demography. Quit pretending like you do, ******.

You suck, NumberSix. Kill yourself.
I think you'd be shocked to find out how much I do know about these subjects.

[TheMan]

Are you seriously attempting to impart some sort of sociological wisdom on a basketball forum?

You don't know dick about history, sociology, or demography. Quit pretending like you do, ******.

You suck, NumberSix. Kill yourself.lol, I've had my beefs with NumberSix in the past too, but damn, that's harsh

[SuperPippen]

I think you'd be shocked to find out how much I do know about these subjects.

Based on the quality of your previous posts, I certainly would.

[NumberSix]

lol, I've had my beefs with NumberSix in the past too, but damn, that's harsh
Meh. It's perfectly acceptable as far as I'm concerned. I mean, I did just tell the entirety of Spain to kill themselves.

[TheMan]

Meh. It's perfectly acceptable as far as I'm concerned. I mean, I did just tell the entirety of Spain to kill themselves.
:oldlol:

[PsychoBe]

Based on the quality of your previous posts, I certainly would.

who are you????

and where are all these posters coming from??? :eek:

[Roundball_Rock]

A trivial tangent: about a century or so ago Argentina's per capita GDP was actually comparable to the U.S.'s.

[Euroleague]

My ancestors are from West africa. Yet...I am an american. Just how it is.

Ginobili's parents are Italian.

Parents are not ancestors.

Sub 65 IQ CONFIRMED.

[hahaitme]

Spain fails so hard. The British Empire is responsible for countries like America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc.....

What does Spain have to show for itself? Shitty South American countries, and not even the one decent one which Portugal can claim. Even to this day a small section of Spain is a British colony.

You suck Spain. Kill yourself.

Not to mention they are one of the dirtiest sporting nations and have dopers seeded into every sport.

[SuperPippen]

who are you????

and where are all these posters coming from??? :eek:


Been here for years, bruh bruh.

Just don't post nearly as often as some of the dedicated clowns on here do.


Still pop in from time to time.

[Euroleague]

Argentina is no different than America or Canada. It's mainly populated by Europeans. Manu being Argentinian is no different than Kevin Love being American.

Argentina is Italian and German. Anyone that has even the slightest knowledge of history knows that.

Whole entire sections of that country is like being literally in Italy, where EVERYTHING is Italian and EVERYONE is Italian.

Like 90% of the Argentine basketball team is Italian, and the rest are German and Polish, with some token Spanish (SPANISH, as in from Spain, as in WHITE EUROPEANS, not native Americans) the same with the football team.

Only some moron ignorant Americans don't know this. Americans are so stupid they don't even realize Messi is an Italian name - I mean come on.

I mean it's like Americans don't even realize World War II happened....where the hell do they think all of those Italians and Germans went to?

[3LiftHeatCurse]

Lol :cheers:

I always tell this to my Hispanic friends, I'm Mexican with Spanish ancestors on both sides. Too many Latin Americans want to claim Spanish blood, I guess because they want to get away from the 'lowly' Amerindian blood. Fvck that, I have Amerindian blood too, being Spanish ain't shit, every country they colonized is a developing country, the British have the US, Canada, Austrailia to name a few. Even the Asian country the Spaniards colonized, the Philipines, isn't anything to brag about.

Of course though, Spaniards didn't kill off all the natives the way the Brits did :lol

US, Canada, Australia, are all nations with European settlers. Those countries were founded by and developed by White Europeans.

South America was never in that position. Those are all lands ruled by indigenous peoples, the Native (South) American Indians. Spain merely ruled over them, took their resources, and then left them to their own devices.

It's not the same. If Spain had kicked out all the people in the land, and then brought over White Europeans to primarily settle and take over the land as theirs, then it would be the same as the USA, Canada, or Australia. But its not the same. Spain left and let the indians rule themselves

[3LiftHeatCurse]

Okay, let me clarify. People from Mexico to Argentina and everything in between. I have a Colombian friend who obviously has some Indian and a smattering of African blood, yet he claims his family hails from Spain. I have a few Mexican friends, same shit. If you ever watch Latin American TV, they're always fair skinned actors. Latin America has this messed up thing where the more European blood you have, the better. Personally I couldn't care less but they do have that hang up down there. My mom had light brown hair with blue eyes, she was a white Mexican (they do exist) and my dad was fair skinned with curly hair. I'm darker because my grandpa had a lot of Amerindian blood. I basically look like your average latino, not too native looking but not too European either. Anyways I'm rambling, it just bothers me that too many think being of Spanish blood is special, hell no, Spain sucks.

Spain has a long and amazing and rich European history, you peasant. Spain does not suck, but your shithole indian country does. Don't try and belittle the land that taught you Spanish, architecture, music, Christianity, and civilized you away from those human sacrifices and backward cultures you had.

If you have a problem being a latino, that's your issue.

[3LiftHeatCurse]

True. But lots of Hispanics want to claim pure Spanish blood as if that makes them better :oldlol: Spaniards fvcked up that whole region. It is what it is.

Yes, Spain conquered those lands and pillaged their resources. So what? So has most every nation that was a world superpower at one point or another. Spain, during it's days as the world's greatest power, did some bad things. So did the USA, Great Britain, Rome, and every other empire.


The reason they want to claim Spanish blood is because they know that the world's owes mostly everything to Europeans. So they want to be connected to that history, through Spain. They don't want to be seen as South American indians.

That's a problem within those people. Don't see why you go attacking Spain instead of attacking the low self-esteem liars who aren't happy with themselves.

[Euroleague]

who were you thinking lives in Argentina? It's like 85% Euro.... and big part of that is Italian.
It was mostly empty pampas until Europeans moved there starting around 1860s - 1930s, aiming to get clear away from socialism. It was the best South American country until... socialism started destroying it.... Manu's only one of the fine athletes from that area of the world, would like to see more from all over S.America.

Americans think that everyone from Latin America is Mexican (as in Mexican race) and that also everyone from Spain is Mexican (as in Mexican race).

They also think that actual white people from Spain or Latin America are "not white", even if they are white. For example, if you are Hispanic, "you can't be white".

They also don't even know what the Mexican race even actually is. Which is probably the most incredibly pathetic thing of all.

[Euroleague]

To the OP, Manu is as Italian as Al Pacino is...Pacino is American of Italian ancestary, Manu is an Argie of Italian ancestary.

Your parents are not your ancestors.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ancestor?s=t


an

[NumberSix]

Spain has a long and amazing and rich European history, you peasant. Spain does not suck, but your shithole indian country does. Don't try and belittle the land that taught you Spanish, architecture, music, Christianity, and civilized you away from those human sacrifices and backward cultures you had.

If you have a problem being a latino, that's your issue.
Yes, Spain is better than Mexico. Everybody knows that. It's not a big accomplishment. Mexico is a 3rd world country.

[NumberSix]

Americans think that everyone from Latin America is Mexican (as in Mexican race) and that also everyone from Spain is Mexican (as in Mexican race).

They also think that actual white people from Spain or Latin America are "not white", even if they are white. For example, if you are Hispanic, "you can't be white".

They also don't even know what the Mexican race even actually is. Which is probably the most incredibly pathetic thing of all.
Mexicans = Mongolians

[Euroleague]

Ethnicity is not the same as Nationality.

Well, Manu is a white guy of Jewish Italian descent, and he has both Italian and Argentine nationality.

Any way you look at it, he's Italian.

[deja vu]

Wikipedia confirms this

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Thanks for confirming that Wikipedia is trash. :roll:

[3LiftHeatCurse]

LOL @ the latino's ITT trying to blame Spain for their country being 3rd world shit holes.

That's all on you. Loser mentality.

Japan was destroyed and leveled to the ground in WW2 and rose to world economic power in less than 30 years. South Korea rose from the ashes of a civil war and a newly created government and rose to a major world influence and economic power in about the same time.

Yeah, Spain conquered you and stole your resources, so what. It's been a while now.

If Mexico or any central/south american country is STILL a shit hole, look in the mirror.

[Euroleague]

Okay, let me clarify. People from Mexico to Argentina and everything in between. I have a Colombian friend who obviously has some Indian and a smattering of African blood, yet he claims his family hails from Spain. I have a few Mexican friends, same shit. If you ever watch Latin American TV, they're always fair skinned actors. Latin America has this messed up thing where the more European blood you have, the better. Personally I couldn't care less but they do have that hang up down there. My mom had light brown hair with blue eyes, she was a white Mexican (they do exist) and my dad was fair skinned with curly hair. I'm darker because my grandpa had a lot of Amerindian blood. I basically look like your average latino, not too native looking but not too European either. Anyways I'm rambling, it just bothers me that too many think being of Spanish blood is special, hell no, Spain sucks.

It's because it's retarded to use stupid words like "Hispanic", which is what you are saying. You can't use words like "Hispanic", which just mean something stupid like relating to Spain, or of Spain, etc., and then it is taken to mean all of Latin America and all Latin Americans.

Because then all people in Latin America get called "Hispanics", no matter what they are.

Most retarded shit ever.

It's the same kind of retarded crazy shit you see in this forum when people here say "Pau Gasol isn't white", "Ricky Rubio isn't white", "Marc Gasol isn't white", Manu isn't white", "Luis Scola isn't white", "Carlos Delfino isn't white", "Pablo Prigioni isn't white", "Tiago Splitter isn't white", etc.

But the hilarious thing is, the people that say this retarded bullshit are clearly not just stupid and ignorant and xenophobic, but they are also clearly as hell racist.

Because then Serge Ibaka isn't black. But when has anyone ever said Serge Ibaka isn't black? Nene isn't black either. When has anyone ever said here that Nene isn't black?

But clearly they are not black then.

See these "rules" only apply to the mixed native Americans, whites, etc., but with blacks, nope. They are just blacks. Even though CLEARLY they should also be "Hispanics".....................

Yeah, from the SAME people claiming it's the racists who say it's racist to NOT use the term "Hispanic". All the meanwhile saying people with blue and green eyes are the same as people with Native American blood, etc.

Yep, all "Hispanic", except the blacks of course - they are just blacks, no matter if they are Latin American, Spanish, or whatever.

:rolleyes:

[Euroleague]

"Nationality" is actually a pretty ambiguous term with no clear cut definition. For instance, "nationalism" is usually meant as the idea of state for a particular ethnic group. "Nation" often is used to mean a people, as in an ethnic group.

Again, most Americans are ignorant jackasses. Not knowing nationality and citizenship as two different issues.

Of course, Manu is also a full Italian citizen. Not just an Italian national, or someone with an Italian passport. So that point is still moot anyway.

[Milbuck]

So he's Greek?

[Euroleague]

Agreed.....

Funny thing though........ The British actually are descended from the Northern Spanish. Particularly the Basque region. That was like 10,000+ years ago though.

I'm Basque. Don't start with this. Last thing we need is some Spaniards attacking here.

[NumberSix]

It's because it's retarded to use stupid words like "Hispanic", which is what you are saying. You can't use words like "Hispanic", which just mean something stupid like relating to Spain, or of Spain, etc., and then it is taken to mean all of Latin America and all Latin Americans.

Because then all people in Latin America get called "Hispanics", no matter what they are.

Most retarded shit ever.

It's the same kind of retarded crazy shit you see in this forum when people here say "Pau Gasol isn't white", "Ricky Rubio isn't white", "Marc Gasol isn't white", Manu isn't white", "Luis Scola isn't white", "Carlos Delfino isn't white", "Pablo Prigioni isn't white", "Tiago Splitter isn't white", etc.

But the hilarious thing is, the people that say this retarded bullshit are clearly not just stupid and ignorant and xenophobic, but they are also clearly as hell racist.

Because then Serge Ibaka isn't black. But when has anyone ever said Serge Ibaka isn't black? Nene isn't black either. When has anyone ever said here that Nene isn't black?

But clearly they are not black then.

See these "rules" only apply to the mixed native Americans, whites, etc., but with blacks, nope. They are just blacks. Even though CLEARLY they should also be "Hispanics".....................

Yeah, from the SAME people claiming it's the racists who say it's racist to NOT use the term "Hispanic". All the meanwhile saying people with blue and green eyes are the same as people with Native American blood, etc.

Yep, all "Hispanic", except the blacks of course - they are just blacks, no matter if they Latin American, Spanish, or whatever.

:rolleyes:
I've seen people say David Ortiz isn't black.

[Euroleague]

Ethnically Manu is Italian, nationality wise he is Argentinian.

BTW, this topic gets discussed every week or so.
Person 1: Manu is Italian
Person 2: Manu is can't be white he's hispanic asshole
Person 3: Manu is Argentinian
Person 4: Manu is actually Argentinian but descendant from Europeans


The problem we have here is that Manu has full Italian citizenship. So he's actually a dual citizen.

[Euroleague]

If Belgium was a real country people would care.

Well, at least it was the more French section of Belgium.

[NumberSix]

Well, at least it was the more French section of Belgium.
THIS is French.

http://greenstarnews.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/mlepen.jpg

[Euroleague]

LOL @ the latino's ITT trying to blame Spain for their country being 3rd world shit holes.

That's all on you. Loser mentality.

Japan was destroyed and leveled to the ground in WW2 and rose to world economic power in less than 30 years. South Korea rose from the ashes of a civil war and a newly created government and rose to a major world influence and economic power in about the same time.

Yeah, Spain conquered you and stole your resources, so what. It's been a while now.

If Mexico or any central/south american country is STILL a shit hole, look in the mirror.

You can't be serious?

[3LiftHeatCurse]

You can't be serious?

Do you suck at math, or do you not know history? What I said were statements of irrefutable fact.

End of WW2 = 1945

By the end of the 1970's, Japan was a major economic power.

Same with Korea and their civil war that divided the North from the South.

[kNicKz]

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Manu+Ginobili+Olympics+Day+12+Basketball+FmU0wCH0j wgl.jpg

:confusedshrug:

[GimmeThat]

casual creeps.

should we ban them too?

[ZMonkey11]

Assume this is 4 pages of posters calling this guy out on his stupidity.

[TheMan]

Mexicans = Mongolians
I'm a descendant of Ghengis Khan? :rockon:

No wonder I'm alpha as fvck :pimp:

[Eye Test]

Spain fails so hard. The British Empire is responsible for countries like America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc.....

What does Spain have to show for itself? Shitty South American countries, and not even the one decent one which Portugal can claim. Even to this day a small section of Spain is a British colony.

You suck Spain. Kill yourself.

thats because there is a difference between conquering (what spain did) and colonizing (what anglos did). conquer = you send soldiers and no women to rule and extract the riches, they **** locals and u get a halfbreed population, colonizing you send families, same blood different land.

[Eye Test]

we cant put all south american countries in the same bag tho, Brasil,Chile,Uruguay and Argentina are whole tiers above peru,bolivia,ecuador,praraguay etc. colombia is pretty much in the middle and argentina is on a steep downslide, chile and brasil have the brightest future from all those nations

[TheMan]

Spain has a long and amazing and rich European history, you peasant. Spain does not suck, but your shithole indian country does. Don't try and belittle the land that taught you Spanish, architecture, music, Christianity, and civilized you away from those human sacrifices and backward cultures you had.

If you have a problem being a latino, that's your issue.
Fvck Spain!!

Yeah I said it, low rung of Eurotrash, gotta lot of Moor blood in ya from the centuries of being enslaved by the Moors. You got some nerve bringing up human sacrifices, fvcking Spaniards were killing thousands for being "witches and heretics" during the Spanish Inquisition, superstitious ignoramuses, real advanced thinking then.

While Aztecs, Incas and Mayans had complex societies, architecture, astrologists and social strecture, Europeans as a whole were living in huts and caves (obvious exceptions being the Greeks and Romans). So before you come at me with this civilization crap, educate yourself

[NumberSix]

I'm a descendant of Ghengis Khan? :rockon:

No wonder I'm alpha as fvck :pimp:
No. You're ancestors migrated to the Americas thousands of years before Genghis Khan was born.

[TheMan]

No. You're ancestors migrated to the Americas thousands of years before Genghis Khan was born.
I wasn't being literal. Yes I know the people who populated the Americas crossed over the Bering Strait thousands of years ago from Asia.

[NumberSix]

Fvck Spain!!

Yeah I said it, low rung of Eurotrash, gotta lot of Moor blood in ya from the centuries of being enslaved by the Moors. You got some nerve bringing up human sacrifices, fvcking Spaniards were killing thousands for being "witches and heretics" during the Spanish Inquisition, superstitious ignoramuses, real advanced thinking then.

While Aztecs, Incas and Mayans had complex societies, architecture, astrologists and social strecture, Europeans as a whole were living in huts and caves (obvious exceptions being the Greeks and Romans). So before you come at me with this civilization crap, educate yourself
Not really actually. The moors' descendants and all muslims were pretty much completely ethnically cleansed from Spain in the 15th century.

The Spanish are genetically most related to the British and the French. The North African genetic similarity with with Spain is only about 6% similarity.

DNA doesn't lie.

[JUDGE WITNESS]

But oddly not "African American".
depends who u ask

[TheMan]

Not really actually. The moors' descendants and all muslims were pretty much completely ethnically cleansed from Spain in the 15th century.

The Spanish are genetically most related to the British and the French. The North African genetic similarity with with Spain is only about 6% similarity.

DNA doesn't lie.
Seems like you're informed on ths subject...serious question, where do the southern Europeans get the 'dark' look from? I'm talking about Spaniards, Portuguese, southern Italians/Sicilians etc.?

[NumberSix]

depends who u ask
"African American" isn't meant literally. If your Nigerian, you're a Nigerian American.

Descendants of slaves don't know which or how many African countries their ancestors came from, so they use the generic "African" because they don't know their own origin.

"African American" has become it's own kind of ethnic group for people who came from slave stock of unknown origin.

[NumberSix]

Seems like you're informed on ths subject...serious question, where do the southern Europeans get the 'dark' look from? I'm talking about Spaniards, Portuguese, southern Italians/Sicilians etc.?
You're asking the wrong question. Southern Europeans didn't "get darker". Northern Europeans got lighter.

[JUDGE WITNESS]

"African American" isn't meant literally. If your Nigerian, you're a Nigerian American.

Descendants of slaves don't know which or how many African countries their ancestors came from, so they use the generic "African" because they don't know their own origin.

"African American" has become it's own kind of ethnic group for people who came from slave stock of unknown origin.
this is true

[TheMan]

You're asking the wrong question. Southern Europeans didn't "get darker". Northern Europeans got lighter.
From less sun? Might be a dumb question...

[NumberSix]

From less sun? Might be a dumb question...
Yes and no. More to do with vitamins, but in simple terms, yes. Less sun.

[kureyşi-gospurs]

Yep

[9512]

If Belgium was a real country people would care.

Belgium is the Canada of Europe. Bilingual & fragmented consequently.

I was more referring to Parker's actual roots (father is afro American and his mother from the Netherlands) French people claim tony parker as theirs only because he's great at bball. Knowing the french attitude about foreigners, especially people of colors, I could totally see french hillbillies from simpleton villages telling parker to go back to Africa had he been an average Joe .:lol

[Mrofir]

This thread is awful

[masonanddixon]

Seems like you're informed on ths subject...serious question, where do the southern Europeans get the 'dark' look from? I'm talking about Spaniards, Portuguese, southern Italians/Sicilians etc.?

Look at its proximity to Africa, brother.

[Ratnik]

my parents are nigerian but i was born in the us. that would make me murican
nope, you are a nigerian

[catquickspider]

LOL @ the latino's ITT trying to blame Spain for their country being 3rd world shit holes.

That's all on you. Loser mentality.

Japan was destroyed and leveled to the ground in WW2 and rose to world economic power in less than 30 years. South Korea rose from the ashes of a civil war and a newly created government and rose to a major world influence and economic power in about the same time.

Yeah, Spain conquered you and stole your resources, so what. It's been a while now.

If Mexico or any central/south american country is STILL a shit hole, look in the mirror.

there was a lot of foreign investment that helped those countries develop so fast

it was not just them rising from the ashes due to discipline

Korea and Japan would still be third world countries just like many south american countries if not for the $$$$$$$$$$$$ from the outside

[oarabbus]

Hispanics are Spanish.

Hispania = Latin word for Spain
Hispanic = Spanish

Hispanic refers to a lot more people than that.


The U.S. Census Bureau defines the ethnonym Hispanic or Latino to refer to "a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin regardless of race.",[8] and states that Hispanics or Latinos can be of any race, any ancestry, any ethnicity.

[kNicKz]

http://modernvespa.com/pix/uploads/i_like_where_this_thread_is_going_ship_heading_int o_epic_storm_133.jpg

[3LiftHeatCurse]

there was a lot of foreign investment that helped those countries develop so fast

it was not just them rising from the ashes due to discipline

Korea and Japan would still be third world countries just like many south american countries if not for the $$$$$$$$$$$$ from the outside

LOL Nobody invests in Japan if it wasn't WORTH investing in. The Japanese people are VERY disciplined, and very smart, and civilized and cultured. Their creativity has single handedly created the greatest products on earth and revitalized entire industries.

For example, who's the #1 car manufacturer on earth? Toyota.

Who single handedly saved the video gaming industry? Nintendo. I can go on and on.

Go down the list of the top technology companies in the world.
Most are Japanese. Sony, Sharp, Sanyo, Hitachi, Panasonic, Canon, Fuji, Toshiba, etc.

Show me some amazing talent like that in Mexico or some other shit hole. You don't have it. They are stuck in barbaric violence among the drug cartels. They were barbaric when the Spaniards civilized them, and they are barbaric now. Do you think the Japanese would EVER allow themselves to be so low and pathetic as Mexico is today? This is where the INDIGENOUS PEOPLE OF JAPAN show why they are worth investing in, and why the INDIGENOUS PEOPLE OF MEXICO are not.

Don't blame Spain for the failure of the (south) native american indians to fully succeed in the civilized world.

Classic losers. You look around your 3rd world disgrace of a country, and you look to blame someone else (Spain) as an explanation.

[STATUTORY]

Look at the Philippines and compare that to what The British were able to do with Hong Kong. Even what Portugal did with Macau. Spain is a joke.

isn't it more emphatic and effective just to compare spain with US or UK?

:oldlol: Spanish ppl lazy as ****

[3LiftHeatCurse]

isn't it more emphatic and effective just to compare spain with US or UK?

:oldlol: Spanish ppl lazy as ****


1) Macau and Hong Kong both are Chinese people. You can't compare the ancient and proud culture of Chinese with the people of a pacific island in the Philippines.

Is the UK going to take credit for mainland China too? The Chinese are the Chinese. They deserve the credit for themselves.


2) How's the glorious nation of India, a former UK colony, doing today? Third world cesspool?

3) How's Uganda doing? Or Kenya? Both former UK colonies.

4) How's the glorious former UK colony of JAMAICA doing?

I can do this all day.


And I didn't even mention that Spain colonized these people for the sole intent of looting their resources. They never planned to make them powerful lands, as this was the standard global way of ruling in the 1500's. Spain was simply interested in maintaining power to keep sending Treasure Galleons filled with Gold and Silver back to Europe.


That doesn't excuse your 3rd world nation. If you are still 3rd world after hundreds of years, it's your own fault. Many other nations have risen from ashes and complete destruction of economy and government, and recovered dramatically.

[GimmeThat]

nope, you are a nigerian


where we compare ethnicity to nationality

let us welcome back to the days before Columbus discovered America or when people even knew that the earth was round.

who knows, maybe even further back then that.

[Euroleague]

Seems like you're informed on ths subject...serious question, where do the southern Europeans get the 'dark' look from? I'm talking about Spaniards, Portuguese, southern Italians/Sicilians etc.?

You are generalizing. For example go to Spain or Italy and you will see some of the whitest people on the planet.

I'm Basque and most everyone in my family has blond hair, red hair, blue eyes, green eyes or they have really dark brown hair or black hair, but with blue eyes or green eyes and super super white skin. Same is the case for lots of people in Spain.

In Catalonia you will see some of whitest people around. Hell, since this is a basketball forum, that's where Gasol brothers are from. It does not get much whiter than them. They are fairly typical Catalonian guys.

It's just like all the racist bullshit here that has been in this forum about how Giannis Antetokounmpo "is not Greek, because there are no blacks in Greece", or "blacks can't be Greek", or whatever nonsense.

More nonsense bullshit from ignorant Americans. Because like in any other European country, there are black people in Greece, Spain, Italy, etc.

There are very, very white people in Greece with blue eyes, green eyes, blond hair, reddish hair, black people, etc. Just as there are people with olive skin, Asian people and so on.

Like Athens is very multi racial, just like a big city in USA like LA or New York. So you can't really generalize like that.

It's just that there are less Nordic peoples in the south Europe. That's the difference. It's not really anything like moor blood. It's that the Nordic gene is in higher concentrations in central and northern Europe.

[Euroleague]

Look at its proximity to Africa, brother.

In some cases, sure. But are you saying that Irish, Scots, Welsh, English, Swedes, Norwegians, Germans, etc. with black hair and brown eyes all got this because of proximity to Africa?

Get serious.

[Euroleague]

there was a lot of foreign investment that helped those countries develop so fast

it was not just them rising from the ashes due to discipline

Korea and Japan would still be third world countries just like many south american countries if not for the $$$$$$$$$$$$ from the outside

He seems to actually believe that they just magically created an entire economy, infrastructure, and industry out of thin air overnight by themselves...

That was the most ridiculous post in the whole thread. Freaking trillions of dollars, thousands of foreign companies, millions of foreign troops, the CIA, the Pentagon making sure these countries work in order to keep China, North Korea, Soviet Union under control, etc.....

Any freaking country in the world would flourish like hell with the same chances. Hell, even the US would have done good with the same circumstance.

They are CIA puppet states that were given first tier status as economic heavyweights. He made it sound like they just freaking dug bodies out of the burning wreckage heap and just like that modernized and built whole cities in a matter of years.

:rolleyes:

[La Frescobaldi]

A trivial tangent: about a century or so ago Argentina's per capita GDP was actually comparable to the U.S.'s.

socialism destroyed it. Hang on awhile, the US will get there soon enough

[Inactive]

From less sun? Might be a dumb question...Melanin blocks UV radiation, protecting the skin, but reducing vitamin D production.

If you throw white people into a very sunny environment, with no protection, they will have high rates of skin cancer. The ones with the fairest skin will tend to fare the worst, providing selection pressure favoring the swarthy ones who tan more easily. Over the generations the average skin tone will get darker.

If you throw black people into a very cloudy environment, with no exogenous source of vitamin D, they will tend to get rickets, and other diseases related to the bones, and nervous system. The ones with the darkest skin will tend to fare the worst, providing selection pressure favoring the lighter ones. Over the generations the average skin tone will get lighter.

The hypothetical reason that certain people in the far north still have dark skin e.g Inuit, is that they get plenty of vitamin D from their diet.

[Euroleague]

socialism destroyed it. Hang on awhile, the US will get there soon enough

Just so you know, socialism means two different things in US and Europe.

[La Frescobaldi]

Just so you know, socialism means two different things in US and Europe.
I did know. Socialism was the same in both regions before ca. WWI and veered sharply in Europe after WWII.

Regardless, it's always destructive in far more ways than it's ever been constructive.

[Euroleague]

Melanin blocks UV radiation, protecting the skin, but reducing vitamin D production.

If you throw white people into a very sunny environment, with no protection, they will have high rates of skin cancer. The ones with the fairest skin will tend to fare the worst, providing selection pressure favoring the swarthy ones who tan more easily. Over the generations the average skin tone will get darker.

If you throw black people into a very cloudy environment, with no exogenous source of vitamin D, they will tend to get rickets, and other diseases related to the bones, and nervous system. The ones with the darkest skin will tend to fare the worst, providing selection pressure favoring the lighter ones. Over the generations the average skin tone will get lighter.

The hypothetical reason that certain people in the far north still have dark skin e.g Inuit, is that they get plenty of vitamin D from their diet.

The only problem with this theory, and it is a THEORY, not a scientific fact, is that the darker you are, the more heat you absorb.

It's also true for the skin, which is an actual scientific fact, and is proven.

Which means all that stuff about, well everything you just said, is propaganda and total bullshit. None of it is true.

Because the whiter a person is, the less heat they can retain.

If skin color developed solely due to an evolutionary process from where people were, then white people should have actually been in the warm climates, and black people should have actually been in the cold climates.

All that stuff you are talking about is propaganda pseudo bullshit nonsense junk science created in the 1980s. It's complete junk nonsense.

Having darker skin is actually an adaptation for the cold climate, while having light skin is actually an adaptation for the warm climate.

If you don't believe it, ask yourself why it is that whenever someone wants to reflect heat back into space, they always paint an object WHITE? They paint a road or a roof, or a building WHITE.

Like how snow or ice reflects heat back into space. They don't paint it black or brown or any other dark color.

It's basic science 101. If you have a black car and leave it out in the hot sun that thing will fry. But it will retain more heat in the cold.

Same thing with an animal with a black coat of fur.

It's best in life to never ever trust anything that comes from these mainstream academia sources, because it's all made up and all completely ridiculous.

It's like 3rd science knowledge to know that it's bullshit. But some college professors say it, write in a book, it gets published, the media says it, it's on the internet, and so everyone just believes it, the government says it's true....it must be true.

Hell, maybe even 2nd grade science level easily debunks it as total bullshit.

[Euroleague]

I did know. Socialism was the same in both regions before ca. WWI and veered sharply in Europe after WWII.

Regardless, it's always destructive in far more ways than it's ever been constructive.

WTF are you talking about? Do you understand what I am saying?

In USA "socialism" refers to things like social security.

[Inactive]

The only problem with this theory, and it is a THEORY, not a scientific fact, is that the darker you are, the more heat you absorb.

It's also true for the skin, which is an actual scientific fact, and is proven.

Which means all that stuff about, well everything you just said, is propaganda and total bullshit. None of it is true.

Because the whiter a person is, the less heat they can retain. The amount of heat they retain is not relevant to this hypothesis.


If skin color developed solely due to an evolutionary process from where people were, then white people should have actually been in the warm climates, and black people should have actually been in the cold climates.And yet all around the world people in sunny climates tend to have darker skin than people in cold climates. Whether they're Asian, European, or even Native American.


All that stuff you are talking about is propaganda pseudo bullshit nonsense junk science created in the 1980s. It's complete junk nonsense.

Having darker skin is actually an adaptation for the cold climate, while having light skin is actually an adaptation for the warm climate.

If you don't believe it, ask yourself why it is that whenever someone wants to reflect heat back into space, they always paint an object WHITE? They paint a road or a roof, or a building WHITE.

Like how snow or ice reflects heat back into space. They don't paint it black or brown or any other dark color.White people don't have white pigment which reflects sunlight. They just have less dark pigment, so more UV radiation penetrates their skin. They might absorb less heat than blacks, but they absorb much more UV.

[B-hoop]

God this thread has so many cringe-worthy posts :roll:

A lot of half truths and outright bullshit.

First of all, Argentines aren't italian and german in their majority, some states in Argentina are, but the country as whole is mostly spanish descendants. Just like Brazil has some states where most of the immigrants were German, Italian or Japanese, but the country as whole isn't. I live here, i know.

Second, the guy saying Japan rebuilt itself all alone after WWII is the biggest idiot i have ever encountered in ISH, and that's saying a lot. Japan, just like West Germany, received a huge amount of investment from capitalist countries after WWII to serve as a counterpoint for communist influence.

Third, NumberSix who said moors were cleansed from the Iberian Peninsula after the Reconquista don't know what he's talking about. You had a lot of moors and jews living in Spain, specially southern Spain, that continued to live there after the war was over. 6% similarity in DNA is less than the difference between human dna and a chimp (95% similarity), and he said that was the similarity between spanish and North africans :facepalm

[Inactive]

Third, NumberSix who said moors were cleansed from the Iberian Peninsula after the Reconquista don't know what he's talking about. You had a lot of moors and jews living in Spain, specially southern Spain, that continued to live there after the war was over. 6% similarity in DNA is less than the difference between human dna and a chimp (95% similarity), and he said that was the similarity between spanish and North africans :facepalmI assume what he meant was that North African admixture in Spain is estimated at around 6%. I.e if you look for alleles which are common in NAfrica, and very uncommon in Europe, you find that ~6% more Spaniards have those alleles than what you'd expect from Europeans.

[B-hoop]

Well then he should learn how to express himself..

Anyways, even if he meant that 6% of spanish population had north african genes thats still a lot, 12.6% of american population was african american in the 2010 Census.

[TheMan]

LOL Nobody invests in Japan if it wasn't WORTH investing in. The Japanese people are VERY disciplined, and very smart, and civilized and cultured. Their creativity has single handedly created the greatest products on earth and revitalized entire industries.

For example, who's the #1 car manufacturer on earth? Toyota.

Who single handedly saved the video gaming industry? Nintendo. I can go on and on.

Go down the list of the top technology companies in the world.
Most are Japanese. Sony, Sharp, Sanyo, Hitachi, Panasonic, Canon, Fuji, Toshiba, etc.

Show me some amazing talent like that in Mexico or some other shit hole. You don't have it. They are stuck in barbaric violence among the drug cartels. They were barbaric when the Spaniards civilized them, and they are barbaric now. Do you think the Japanese would EVER allow themselves to be so low and pathetic as Mexico is today? This is where the INDIGENOUS PEOPLE OF JAPAN show why they are worth investing in, and why the INDIGENOUS PEOPLE OF MEXICO are not.

Don't blame Spain for the failure of the (south) native american indians to fully succeed in the civilized world.

Classic losers. You look around your 3rd world disgrace of a country, and you look to blame someone else (Spain) as an explanation.
Spain is shit compared to the really advanced 1st World nations in the world.

Germany >>>> Spain

You guys are only 'advanced' because you'd have have to be brain dead not to pick up something from your neighbors.

Next

[NumberSix]

The only problem with this theory, and it is a THEORY, not a scientific fact, is that the darker you are, the more heat you absorb.

It's also true for the skin, which is an actual scientific fact, and is proven.

Which means all that stuff about, well everything you just said, is propaganda and total bullshit. None of it is true.

Because the whiter a person is, the less heat they can retain.

If skin color developed solely due to an evolutionary process from where people were, then white people should have actually been in the warm climates, and black people should have actually been in the cold climates.

All that stuff you are talking about is propaganda pseudo bullshit nonsense junk science created in the 1980s. It's complete junk nonsense.

Having darker skin is actually an adaptation for the cold climate, while having light skin is actually an adaptation for the warm climate.

If you don't believe it, ask yourself why it is that whenever someone wants to reflect heat back into space, they always paint an object WHITE? They paint a road or a roof, or a building WHITE.

Like how snow or ice reflects heat back into space. They don't paint it black or brown or any other dark color.

It's basic science 101. If you have a black car and leave it out in the hot sun that thing will fry. But it will retain more heat in the cold.

Same thing with an animal with a black coat of fur.

It's best in life to never ever trust anything that comes from these mainstream academia sources, because it's all made up and all completely ridiculous.

It's like 3rd science knowledge to know that it's bullshit. But some college professors say it, write in a book, it gets published, the media says it, it's on the internet, and so everyone just believes it, the government says it's true....it must be true.

Hell, maybe even 2nd grade science level easily debunks it as total bullshit.
Jesus Christ this post is such a fail.

Nobody is talking about heat. We are talking about uv absorption which triggers vitamin D production. The darker the skin, the more uv is required to produce vitamin d. Is has nothing to do with heat. :roll:

[3LiftHeatCurse]

Second, the guy saying Japan rebuilt itself all alone after WWII is the biggest idiot i have ever encountered in ISH

Look in the mirror, dipshit. I never once said Japan did it alone.

BUT THEY DO DESERVE the credit. Many nations have received reparations after Wars, and they do NOT recover like Japan did. Nor do they have the staying power that Japan does.

LOL @ you crediting Japan's population's creativity and brilliance at "investors"

[NumberSix]

Well then he should learn how to express himself..

Anyways, even if he meant that 6% of spanish population had north african genes thats still a lot, 12.6% of american population was african american in the 2010 Census.
That's not the same thing.

Saying the USA population is 12% African is completely different from saying the USA has 12% African admixture.


I'll make it EXTRA clear for you. Spain only has about 6% genetic contribution from North Africa.

Better?

[jstern]

I've ignored this thread because the title is so dumb and figured this thread would die quickly.

He's Argentinian, he was born and raised in Argentina. His culture, Spanish speaking style, hundreds of subtle things that define Argentinians makes him Argentinian. The country's history that all the members learn about. The culture that everybody in the country grew in, and can relate to as adults.

Look at it this way, if a grown Argentinian moves to Puerto Rico, his accent and taste in many different things is going to be vastly different. The things unique to the Argentinian culture is not going to be there. The sort of inside jokes, and slang words. Really hard to explain since I'm not in the proper mindset.

But if all those things are different, imagine Ginobili moving Italy.

Imagine an American whose ancestors came from Uganda. Would he be able to just go back over there and just fit right in? Imagine someone who has lived in NYC their entire life, would they just be able to move to a redneck city in the South and just fit right in in such a way that nobody would be able to tell that he's not from around there. Do you see the big difference in culture even though those two different places are in the same country. Now imagine the difference between Argentina and Italy.


Also a lot of Spanish speaking people say they're Spanish. Not Spanish as in coming from Spain, but Spanish, as in they speak Spanish. The country doesn't even come into play. It's just what they say. No Puerto Rican or Mexican is actually going to think that they are from Spain, a country that thousands of miles away, and has a completely different culture. Basically there's a lot of different people from different Spanish country, and they Spanish to let people know they're Spanish speaking.

[B-hoop]

That's not the same thing.

Saying the USA population is 12% African is completely different from saying the USA has 12% African admixture.


I'll make it EXTRA clear for you. Spain only has about 6% genetic contribution from North Africa.

Better?

Nope, you are still wrong:

"Considering the peninsula as a single population, the analysis unsurprisingly finds that the highest mean proportion of ancestry corresponds to the Basque parental population. However, this level is only 69.6%, leaving a remarkably high overall mean proportion of North African and Jewish ancestry forming the remainder. Mean North African admixture is 10.6%, with wide geographical variation (Figure 4, Table S2), ranging from zero in Gascony to 21.7% in Northwest Castile. Mean Sephardic Jewish admixture is 19.8%, varying from zero in Minorca to 36.3% in South Portugal (the value in Asturias is unlikely to be reliable, because of small sample size)."

http://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(08)00592-2

So around 30% of the population (a lot more in southern regions where the Moors conquered) in the Iberian Peninsula is either descended from Northern Africans (Moroccans mainly) or Sephardic Jews who emigrated from the Middle East. Both ethnicities are of lighter color than the sub-saharan ethnicities, but still aren't European white. That's the main reason for the darker skin in Spain and Portugal.

[NumberSix]

I've ignored this thread because the title is so dumb and figured this thread would die quickly.

He's Argentinian, he was born and raised in Argentina. His culture, Spanish speaking style, hundreds of subtle things that define Argentinians makes him Argentinian. The country's history that all the members learn about. The culture that everybody in the country grew in, and can relate to as adults.

Look at it this way, if a grown Argentinian moves to Puerto Rico, his accent and taste in many different things is going to be vastly different. The things unique to the Argentinian culture is not going to be there. The sort of inside jokes, and slang words. Really hard to explain since I'm not in the proper mindset.

But if all those things are different, imagine Ginobili moving Italy.

Imagine an American whose ancestors came from Uganda. Would he be able to just go back over there and just fit right in? Imagine someone who has lived in NYC their entire life, would they just be able to move to a redneck city in the South and just fit right in in such a way that nobody would be able to tell that he's not from around there. Do you see the big difference in culture even though those two different places are in the same country. Now imagine the difference between Argentina and Italy.
A better comparison would be an Australian moving back to England. Yeah, they pretty much would fit right in.

[B-hoop]

Look in the mirror, dipshit. I never once said Japan did it alone.

BUT THEY DO DESERVE the credit. Many nations have received reparations after Wars, and they do NOT recover like Japan did. Nor do they have the staying power that Japan does.

LOL @ you crediting Japan's population's creativity and brilliance at "investors"

Reparations? Please dude, just stop posting and embarassing yourself. Reparations are given to those who won the war paid by the ones who lost it, not the other way around, or else what's the sense in winning the ****ing war? :facepalm

The investments made in Germany and Japan weren't reparations, they were strategic to keep the countries from becoming communists, no other country received so much help money-wise and technology-wise.

And i am not saying Japan doesn't deserve credit, they do, but don't try and compare post-WWII Japan to South American countries post-independence. They were in completely different situations.

[NumberSix]

Nope, you are still wrong:

"Considering the peninsula as a single population, the analysis unsurprisingly finds that the highest mean proportion of ancestry corresponds to the Basque parental population. However, this level is only 69.6%, leaving a remarkably high overall mean proportion of North African and Jewish ancestry forming the remainder. Mean North African admixture is 10.6%, with wide geographical variation (Figure 4, Table S2), ranging from zero in Gascony to 21.7% in Northwest Castile. Mean Sephardic Jewish admixture is 19.8%, varying from zero in Minorca to 36.3% in South Portugal (the value in Asturias is unlikely to be reliable, because of small sample size)."

http://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(08)00592-2

So around 30% of the population (a lot more in southern regions where the Moors conquered) in the Iberian Peninsula is either descended from Northern Africans (Moroccans mainly) or Sephardic Jews who emigrated from the Middle East. Both ethnicities are of lighter color than the sub-saharan ethnicities, but still aren't European white. That's the main reason for the darker skin in Spain and Portugal.
That's actually not what that means. Besides, it's not even accurate.

Your study is a very small sample size of a very targeted area and only on half of male DNA.

[NumberSix]

Reparations? Please dude, just stop posting and embarassing yourself. Reparations are given to those who won the war paid by the ones who lost it, not the other way around, or else what's the sense in winning the ****ing war? :facepalm

The investments made in Germany and Japan weren't reparations, they were strategic to keep the countries from becoming communists, no other country received so much help money-wise and technology-wise.

And i am not saying Japan doesn't deserve credit, they do, but don't try and compare post-WWII Japan to South American countries post-independence. They were in completely different situations.
Don't forget that Japan had one of the largest empires during ww2. They weren't just some random 3rd world country.

[B-hoop]

Please share the link to yours then..

Hence my "They were in completely different situations." Dude is just spouting BS

[SamuraiSWISH]

People not understanding the difference between ethnicity and nationality.

[NumberSix]

People not understanding the difference between ethnicity and nationality.
It's not actually a clear cut difference. There really isn't a single definition of what a "nation" is.

A better way to put it would be the difference between ethnicity and citizenship.

[3LiftHeatCurse]

Reparations? Please dude, just stop posting and embarassing yourself. Reparations are given to those who won the war paid by the ones who lost it, not the other way around, or else what's the sense in winning the ****ing war? :facepalm

The investments made in Germany and Japan weren't reparations, they were strategic to keep the countries from becoming communists, no other country received so much help money-wise and technology-wise.

And i am not saying Japan doesn't deserve credit, they do, but don't try and compare post-WWII Japan to South American countries post-independence. They were in completely different situations.


WTF how can someone be such a ****ing retard and a nerd at the same time. Who gives a shit what your dictionary says, in the end they were reparations specifically designed to help them recover from the war. Doesn't matter why. Japan was paid money to repair the damages of war.

and that was only INITIAL investment by USA. Japan's economic growth during the 60s 70s and 80s is by their own hands, you slob.

****ing disgrace the morons ITT taking away Japan's achievements, creativity and genius through companies like Toyota, Nintendo, Sony, Canon, etc.....

[B-hoop]

Manu is ethnically italian (if his parents are italian) but culturally Argentine, the man lived there the majority of his life and chose to play for Argentina's national team so i guess he sees himself as Argentine.


WTF how can someone be such a ****ing retard and a nerd at the same time. Who gives a shit what your dictionary says, in the end they were reparations specifically designed to help them recover from the war. Doesn't matter why.

and that was only INITIAL investment by USA. Japan's economic growth during the 60s 70s and 80s is by their own hands, you slob.

You are dumb bro, just let it go, not everyone can be smart.

You tried comparing South American countries after 300 years of colonization and exploitation to Japan after WWII. So enlighten us how these countries received massive amounts of money to industrialize themselves and how they already had a dynamic industrial economy before that. Please i would love to hear that hidden part of the world history.

[NumberSix]

This B-hoop character (obvious alt account) is like 1 annoying post away from getting blocked.

[B-hoop]

This B-hoop character (obvious alt account) is like 1 annoying post away from getting blocked.

Still waiting on that link for the paper with the 6% number :lol

[NumberSix]

Still waiting on that link for the paper with the 6% number :lol
Did you ever ask for it? :confusedshrug:

[B-hoop]

Please share the link to yours then..

Hence my "They were in completely different situations." Dude is just spouting BS

Yep

[3LiftHeatCurse]

So enlighten us how these countries received massive amounts of money to industrialize themselves and how they already had a dynamic industrial economy before that.

You're too ****ing stupid to even bother replying to. I shouldn't even waste my time. You are so dumb you make an EXACT 1:1 comparison and think that's what I meant.

No, you failure. My analogy was that Japan was under WORSE conditions after WW2 than any colony was after independence. And that under those worse conditions, and in a short few decades, they rose. Japan was defeated, broken, humiliated, nuked, and hated around the free world after ww2. Meanwhile, the former spanish colonies weren't nearly in as bad a shape.

Surely, these south american nations have had a few hundred years now. If they had any talent, they would have risen by now. The world stage is void of ANY dominant south american brands. Yet how many does Japan have? even Korea?

[NumberSix]

You're too ****ing stupid to even bother replying to. I shouldn't even waste my time. You are so dumb you make an EXACT 1:1 comparison and think that's what I meant.

No, you failure. My analogy was that Japan was under WORSE conditions after WW2 than any colony was after independence. And that under those worse conditions, and in a short few decades, they rose.

Surely, these south american nations have had a few hundred years now. If they had any talent, they would have risen by now.
B-hoop is an OBVIOUS troll account.

[B-hoop]

You're too ****ing stupid to even bother replying to. I shouldn't even waste my time. You are so dumb you make an EXACT 1:1 comparison and think that's what I meant.

No, you failure. My analogy was that Japan was under WORSE conditions after WW2 than any colony was after independence. And that under those worse conditions, and in a short few decades, they rose. Japan was defeated, broken, humiliated, nuked, and hated around the free world after ww2. Meanwhile, the former spanish colonies weren't nearly in as bad a shape.

Surely, these south american nations have had a few hundred years now. If they had any talent, they would have risen by now. The world stage is void of ANY dominant south american brands. Yet how many does Japan have? even Korea?
:roll: :roll: :roll:

Really dude, every time i think you can't be more stupid but you always go that extra notch, good job good effort bro!

Ok, how do i begin?

Japan had an industrial park before and actually expanded it exponentially during the war. In 1945 they already had auto makers, Toyota and Nissan were the companies building army trucks. Toshiba and Hitachi both got big during the war supplying the military. All these companies got huge amount of loans after the war from American banks so they could rebuild and upgrade existing factories. They also had huge incentives to export to the U.S paying lower taxes and were allowed to protect their own market against foreign companies.

South american countries on the other hand had no preexisting industry because the colonial pact they had with Spain forbid the investment in industries. Their whole economy was based on extrativism, which means collecting natural resources and giving them away to Spain. They weren't colonized like the U.S where England just charged taxes. All the production had to be sent back to them. Of course, spanish people living there had to live well so a little gold was kept in the country, but it wasn't invested, it was used for consumption of luxury goods. So when they became independent they had no industry to speak of and didn't receive any help from other nations to start one. They just kept on doing what they knew, that is mining, farming or other forms gathering raw materials.

Understand now why your idea of comparing Japan to any South American nation is idiotic?

Oh by the way, you do know that Budweiser was just bought by a Brazilian company right? They own Corona, Stella Artois, Beck's and other brands too. Search for Ambev and Inbev if you doubt it.

[B-hoop]

B-hoop is an OBVIOUS troll account.

Still waiting for that link brah

[TheMan]

You're too ****ing stupid to even bother replying to. I shouldn't even waste my time. You are so dumb you make an EXACT 1:1 comparison and think that's what I meant.

No, you failure. My analogy was that Japan was under WORSE conditions after WW2 than any colony was after independence. And that under those worse conditions, and in a short few decades, they rose. Japan was defeated, broken, humiliated, nuked, and hated around the free world after ww2. Meanwhile, the former spanish colonies weren't nearly in as bad a shape.

Surely, these south american nations have had a few hundred years now. If they had any talent, they would have risen by now. The world stage is void of ANY dominant south american brands. Yet how many does Japan have? even Korea?
How many does Spain have?

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[robert de niro]

How many does Spain have?

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zara, created by the now third richest man in the world. BBVA, the brand that sponsors the league this forum is about. movistar, a brand that rules all of the south american phone market, etc

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[TheMan]

zara, created by the now third richest man in the world. BBVA, the brand that sponsors the league this forum is about. movistar, a brand that rules all of the south american phone market, etc

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Wow, impressive huge list, right up there with Germany :applause:

[La Frescobaldi]

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Alhambra, Raimundo, Ramirez, Admira, Camps,Prudencio Saez, Carrillo, Rozas, Antonio Sanchez, Aparicio Almansa........... these are among the finest luthiers in the world.

Pingus, Espectacle Espectacle del Montsant, Hermanos Sastre Pesus, NV Vega Sicilia Unico Reserva Especial, Clos I Terrasses Clos Erasmus, Benjamin Romeo Contador, Dominio de Pingus Amelia, Vega Sicilia Unico Reserva, Bodegas Jimenez Landi El Reventon, Numanthia Termanthia, Alvaro Palacios L

[3LiftHeatCurse]

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oh let me guess. How about one of the the biggest and most successful financial institution on planet earth, and the biggest banking group IN ALL OF EUROPE (Santander) ?


even Spanish sports are relevant.

Recognize these, easily two of the most successful and recognizable sports franchises on planet earth, you stupid peasant? The MOST valuable sports franchise on planet earth, and the #3 most valuable sports franchise on planet earth. Both Spain.

http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/101/5/5/real_madrid_3d_logo_animation_by_syndikata_np-d34jry7.gif

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OdIylqQAlps/TpB7TvRg7yI/AAAAAAAACmo/Bo6qo99ih1E/s320/261_L-fc-barcelona.jpg

[Kawhi Not?]

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[Inactive]

That's actually not what that means. Besides, it's not even accurate.

Your study is a very small sample size of a very targeted area and only on half of male DNA.They aren't looking at half of male DNA. They're looking at the Y chromosome, which contains a tiny percentage of your DNA. The reason it's significant is because it indicates patrilineal ancestry. If 30% of the male population has Y chromosome mutations which originated in NAf/ME, then 30% of the population is directly descended from NAf/ME males. The "very targeted area" is all over the Iberian Peninsula. A sample size of 1140 isn't that bad either.

[NumberSix]

They aren't looking at half of male DNA. They're looking at the Y chromosome, which contains a tiny percentage of your DNA. The reason it's significant is because it indicates patrilineal ancestry. If 30% of the male population has Y chromosome mutations which originated in NAf/ME, then 30% of the population is directly descended from NAf/ME males. The "very targeted area" is all over the Iberian Peninsula. A sample size of 1140 isn't that bad either.
It's not as important as it sounds. I have a Y chromosome for some guy 20 generations ago. That one guy isn't that relevant though considering that there are over 1.5 million other ancestors throughout those 20 generations.

[NumberSix]

They aren't looking at half of male DNA. They're looking at the Y chromosome, which contains a tiny percentage of your DNA. The reason it's significant is because it indicates patrilineal ancestry. If 30% of the male population has Y chromosome mutations which originated in NAf/ME, then 30% of the population is directly descended from NAf/ME males. The "very targeted area" is all over the Iberian Peninsula. A sample size of 1140 isn't that bad either.
Also.....

You're arguing about something completely different than I am. You're arguing that 30% of spaniards have some North African genetics. I'm not talking about HOW MANY people have some North African DNA. I'm talking about HOW MUCH of it they have, which on average is about 6%.

[catquickspider]

You're too ****ing stupid to even bother replying to. I shouldn't even waste my time. You are so dumb you make an EXACT 1:1 comparison and think that's what I meant.

No, you failure. My analogy was that Japan was under WORSE conditions after WW2 than any colony was after independence. And that under those worse conditions, and in a short few decades, they rose. Japan was defeated, broken, humiliated, nuked, and hated around the free world after ww2. Meanwhile, the former spanish colonies weren't nearly in as bad a shape.

Surely, these south american nations have had a few hundred years now. If they had any talent, they would have risen by now. The world stage is void of ANY dominant south american brands. Yet how many does Japan have? even Korea?

they did not rise by their own hands you dumb ass

go read a book on how both korea and japan became industrialized

having tons of $$$$$$ thrown in will speed up anything

The U.S. was doing the opposite to central american and south amerian countries. Read about what the American fruit companies did to those countries.

[Inactive]

It's not as important as it sounds. I have a Y chromosome for some guy 20 generations ago. That one guy isn't that relevant though considering that there are over 1.5 million other ancestors throughout those 20 generations.For an individual, it doesn't necessarily mean much. But if a large fraction of the population of a country has Y chromosomes from another region, then a large fraction of the male ancestors of the people who reside in that country must have come from that other region.


Also.....

You're arguing about something completely different than I am. You're arguing that 30% of spaniards have some North African genetics. I'm not talking about HOW MANY people have some North African DNA. I'm talking about HOW MUCH of it they have, which on average is about 6%.That's a valid distinction.

However, it's not that 30% of Spaniards have some North African genetics. Virtually all Spaniards probably have some. It's that 30% are directly descended from North Africans and SW Asians. That's what B-hoop was arguing that the study suggested, and he was right.

[NumberSix]

they did not rise by their own hands you dumb ass

go read a book on how both korea and japan became industrialized

having tons of $$$$$$ thrown in will speed up anything

The U.S. was doing the opposite to central american and south amerian countries. Read about what the American fruit companies did to those countries.
Yes, Japan was "lead to water" in some ways. They drank it though. That's more than can be said for many other countries.

In all honesty, African countries SHOULD be the richest countries in the world. They have all the natural resources they could ever want and never did shit with them. They honestly should have been at 1900s Europe's level 140,000 years ago.

[NumberSix]

For an individual, it doesn't necessarily mean much. But if a large fraction of the population of a country has Y chromosomes from another region, then a large fraction of the male ancestors of the people who reside in that country must have come from that other region.

That's a valid distinction.

However, it's not that 30% of Spaniards have some North African genetics. Virtually all Spaniards probably have some. It's that 30% are directly descended from North Africans and SW Asians. That's what B-hoop was arguing that the study suggested, and he was right.
That is still a different case.

Virtually ALL Spaniards have about a 6% North African genetic contribution. It's a little higher in the Portuguese.

Obviously, if you have ANY North African DNA, you're a direct descendent of SOMEBODY from North Africa at some point. What would a non-direct descendant be?

Let's go back a mere 5 generations. YOU are a direct descendant of all 32 of your great great great grandparents. Even if they are all different ethnicities. Why would you single out 1 contributor that is 1/32 of you when the other 31/32 of you isn't? Yes, you are a direct descendant of that 1 person, but that 1 person is a very small contributor. That's a mere 5 generations. Spain was ethnically cleansed of most of its North Africans at least 20-30 generations ago. Were talking about literally 1.5-3.5 million contributors over that period of time.

[D-Rose]

I only read the first post and nothing else....but that's a stupid claim. Are we to call all the Americans in New York of strong Italian roots....Italian? Nationality =/= ethnicity.

[NumberSix]

I only read the first post and nothing else....but that's a stupid claim. Are we to call all the Americans in New York of strong Italian roots....Italian? Nationality =/= ethnicity.
Americans don't really understand ethnicity because there isn't any. America is a mish-mash of people from all over the place. Even most white people have no idea what ethnicity they would be because they are mixes of many different European ethnicities. Ask the average white American what countries their ancestors are from, they'll either name 8 different countries or just the 1 country their dad's last name originates from.

[Inactive]

Let's go back a mere 5 generations. YOU are a direct descendant of all 32 of your great great great grandparents. Even if they are all different ethnicities. Why would you single out 1 contributor that is 1/32 of you when the other 31/32 of you isn't? Yes, you are a direct descendant of that 1 person, but that 1 person is a very small contributor.Like I said, for an individual it doesn't necessarily matter. But if you're Spanish, and your ancestors for those 5 generations come from Spain, then ~9.6/32 (in the case of females, their fathers) likely have those Y chromosomes.


Spain was ethnically cleansed of most of its North Africans at least 20-30 generations ago. Were talking about literally 1.5-3.5 million contributors over that period of time.Then they didn't do a very good job of ethnically cleansing them, because the males obviously reproduced quite a bit.

[NumberSix]

Like I said, for an individual it doesn't necessarily matter. But if you're Spanish, and your ancestors for those 5 generations come from Spain, then ~9.6/32 (in the case of females, their fathers) likely have those Y chromosomes.

Then they didn't do a very good job of ethnically cleansing them, because the males obviously reproduced quite a bit.
They're DNA is also 3% Neanderthal. It's safe to say they're all gone. Small remnants of genetic contribution don't just disappear.

Don't forget. It's not just a 1 way street. Any genetic similarity isn't just going from Africa to Spain. The Spanish did their fair share of conquering into North Africa as well.

[masonanddixon]

In some cases, sure. But are you saying that Irish, Scots, Welsh, English, Swedes, Norwegians, Germans, etc. with black hair and brown eyes all got this because of proximity to Africa?

Get serious.

No I am using the fact Sicilians share genetic similarities with Sub-Saharan Africans whereas Northern Italians do not.

[NumberSix]

No I am using the fact Sicilians share genetic similarities with Sub-Saharan Africans whereas Northern Italians do not.
I actually don't know much of Italian genealogy, so it's possible that it is true. From what I do know about greek genealogy though, it wouldn't make much of any sense that Italy would have subsaharan contributions while neighbouring countries don't.

[B-hoop]

For an individual, it doesn't necessarily mean much. But if a large fraction of the population of a country has Y chromosomes from another region, then a large fraction of the male ancestors of the people who reside in that country must have come from that other region.

That's a valid distinction.

However, it's not that 30% of Spaniards have some North African genetics. Virtually all Spaniards probably have some. It's that 30% are directly descended from North Africans and SW Asians. That's what B-hoop was arguing that the study suggested, and he was right.

Finally someone who understands written english :cheers:

Btw, still waiting on that link NumberSix, though i probably should forget it since you are talking out of your ass.

[TrueRob]

In all honesty, African countries SHOULD be the richest countries in the world. They have all the natural resources they could ever want and never did shit with them. They honestly should have been at 1900s Europe's level 140,000 years ago.

Africa has a lot of natural resources, but most African countries are in the tropics which is a huge handicap when it comes to agriculture, especially the main staple food crops (wheat,rice,corn). It's no coincidence that the majority of "3rd World Countries" are in the tropics while most of the rich countries are in the temperate zones. The richest countries usually have land that gives the best agricultural yields for food crops.

Here's a couple of links to some articles that provide more info on poverty in the tropics, etc.

http://houstonhs.scsk12.org/~mrobinson/Mr._Robinsons_Web_Site_at_Houston_High_School/Development_and_Agriculture_files/The%20Geography%20Poverty%20and%20Wealth.pdf

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2012/jun/07/what-makes-countries-rich-or-poor/?page=2