If you don't think Duncan >>> Kobe after the Spurs win, you should be banned.

[Connor B]

5 rings, 3-4 FMVPs >>> 5 rings, 2 FMVPs. Done. And that ignores everything else he's done.

No argument to be made. Tim Duncan >>> Kobe Bryant on the GOAT list.

[FlashDwyaneWade3]

Lakers 4 Spurs 2 in the Playoffs. Spurs couldn't stop Kobe.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Lakers 4 Spurs 2 in the Playoffs. Spurs couldn't stop Kobe.

.4 sec shot by Fisher or it's 3-3. Act like you ain't get bailed out. Then you got embarrassed by Pistons while we embarrassed them the next year. You also had 2 top 10 of all time vs 1. Get out of here. 2/1 = 4/2. Sounds balanced to me, Kobetard.

:oldlol:

[Noob Saibot]

I had Timmy past Kobe Jordan ages ago. this finals is just the cherry on top of the cake.

[DetroitPistonFan]

.4 sec shot by Fisher or it's 3-3. Act like you ain't get bailed out. Then you got embarrassed by Pistons while we embarrassed them the next year. You also had 2 top 10 of all time vs 1. Get out of here. 2/1 = 4/2. Sounds balanced to me, Kobetard.

:oldlol:
Lakers weren't gonna beat the Pistons anyway. They had many players injured and a fat lazy Shaq going up against the best defensive team in the NBA.

[iBandwagon]

Lakers 4 Spurs 2 in the Playoffs. Spurs couldn't stop Kobe.

Spurs would have beat Lakers more if Kobe could have kept his ass in the playoffs every year.

[Jacks3]

Duncan is nothing more than a role-player at this point. He didn't do much in Games 3 and 4 and his team won by 20+ on the road. Why in the world would this series change your stance (whatever it is) on Kobe vs Duncan? Bunch of nonsense. :roll:

[allball]

ah the GOAT list. recognized by all the leading basketball authorities.

[Ne 1]

5 rings, 3-4 FMVPs >>> 5 rings, 2 FMVPs. Done. And that ignores everything else he's done.

No argument to be made. Tim Duncan >>> Kobe Bryant on the GOAT list.
Finals MVP is irrelevant. He won 5 rings putting up 21/5/4, 29/7/6, 27/6/5, 30/6/5 and 29/6/6 in the playoffs to win those championships and that's all that matters.

[nzahir]

Lakers 4 Spurs 2 in the Playoffs. Spurs couldn't stop Shaq.
Fixed

[DFish24]

If you think a title as a role player puts Duncan over Kobe, you should be banned.

[GODbe]

1999 title = .5*
So basically even if he wins he'll have less rings than Kobe :confusedshrug: .

Also, he's not getting FMVP. He was born to be a roleplayer, hence why he's been one for the past decade.

[KOBE143]

OP should be banned

[Carbine]

Duncan is nothing more than a role-player at this point. He didn't do much in Games 3 and 4 and his team won by 20+ on the road. Why in the world would this series change your stance (whatever it is) on Kobe vs Duncan? Bunch of nonsense. :roll:

A role player doesn't do this:

First in rebounds by a wide margin
Second in PPG (only 1 PPG behind Parker)
First in Blocks
First in PER
First in WS

Name me another role player in the last 50 years who has done that.

[PsychoBe]

A role player doesn't do this:

First in rebounds by a wide margin
Second in PPG (only 1 PPG behind Parker)
First in Blocks
First in PER
First in WS

Name me another role player in the last 50 years who has done that.

a "roleplayer" also doesn't lead the team in assists,
4th quarter scoring,
ppg on the road,
while being the best perimeter defender
and the most among steals either,

but that's exactly what kobe did with shaq and people want to call him a roleplayer :roll: :roll: :roll:

[DetroitPistonFan]

Fixed
They did stop Shaq. He sucked in all the series against the Spurs.

[Carbine]

Those people are idiots. Here are the facts about that.

Kobe was a pretty good second option in 2000.
Kobe was probably the best 1B player ever in 2001.
Kobe was a really really good second best player in 2002.

The rings matter, just not the same as if he were "the man."

For example, those three rings are not equal to three of Jordan's. Pretty easy to understad.

But they still matter. A Lot......they're a huge part of his legacy. As they should be.

Just like Duncan winning a 5th would help his legacy. He's not a role player, that's obvious.

[Meticode]

Duncan is ahead of Kobe on my list already. Already has been for a couple years now.

[Ne 1]

The rings matter, just not the same as if he were "the man". "Rings as the man" is a faux category. It's not even a real category, yet for some reason people throw it out as if it's a statistical category. Seriously, does anyone outside of ISH and similar websites comprised of a tiny fraction of hardcore elitist fans care about this? This is a rhetorical question. No one does. Rings are rings. Walk into the local sports bar tonight and ask people how many rings any all-time great player has: Jordan, Kareem, Russell, Magic, Bird, Kobe, Shaq, Hakeem etc. 6, 6, 11, 5, 3, 5, 4 and 2. It's hilarious how elitist fans obsess over a fictional category that is based on subjective factors and is irrelevant.

[deja vu]

Why should we ban people because of their opinions? I think Duncan is slightly higher than Kobe at the moment (and will go even higher after he wins his 5th) but it's only my opinion. Other people will say that Kobe is higher than Timmy because he won more rings, and I have no problems with that. It's not as stupid as some people think. If you say that McGrady is better than Jordan then that's worthy of a ban, but Kobe over Duncan? No because they're very close.

[Carbine]

. "Rings as the man" is a faux category. It's not even a real category, yet for some reason people throw it out as if it's a statistical category. Seriously, does anyone outside of ISH and similar websites comprised of a tiny fraction of hardcore elitist fans care about this? This is a rhetorical question. No one does. Rings are rings. Walk into the local sports bar tonight and ask people how many rings any all-time great player has: Jordan, Kareem, Russell, Magic, Bird, Kobe, Shaq, Hakeem etc. 6, 6, 11, 5, 3, 5, 4 and 2. It's hilarious how elitist fans obsess over a fictional category that is based on subjective factors and is irrelevant.

I don't particularly care what a bunch of casual fans at the bar have to say about it.

[NumberSix]

Why should we ban people because of their opinions? I think Duncan is slightly higher than Kobe at the moment (and will go even higher after he wins his 5th) but it's only my opinion. Other people will say that Kobe is higher than Timmy because he won more rings, and I have no problems with that. It's not as stupid as some people think. If you say that McGrady is better than Jordan then that's worthy of a ban, but Kobe over Duncan? No because they're very close.
This championship does nothing to Timmy's legacy for me. He's really nothing more than an OK player on this team.

[GimmeThat]

but what you are implying is that casual fans need to have a brain, or be taught with useful information. And that when they think junk and speak junk, they should be silented.

ideal? you think if ideals like this mattered, NBA would have been selling more Tim Duncan Jersey already!

[ZMonkey11]

.4 sec shot by Fisher or it's 3-3. Act like you ain't get bailed out. Then you got embarrassed by Pistons while we embarrassed them the next year. You also had 2 top 10 of all time vs 1. Get out of here. 2/1 = 4/2. Sounds balanced to me, Kobetard.

:oldlol:

Embarassed the Pistons? Bitch please. BTW, Horry should have been called for a charge on the dunk on Hamilton. Never forget.

[Carbine]

This championship does nothing to Timmy's legacy for me. He's really nothing more than an OK player on this team.

If he's just an OK player on this team, than the rest of the team is comprised of nothing more than OK players and thus just an OK team.

An OK team that is up 3-1 on the Miami Heat Dynasty.

[deja vu]

This championship does nothing to Timmy's legacy for me. He's really nothing more than an OK player on this team.
Well...he's no longer the "main man" for this team but he's a vital and important cog. That still matters for me.

[lakerstekkenn]

me as a Laker fan Tim D is on pare with kobe B both are great dam Tim your age and you are out playing 2 sorry 3 super stars we must of forgot how great he is like Kobe Tim D the best power forward ever book it

[MVBallin2K]

I think at this point all GOAT talk should be banned. There is no real GOAT list. There is only opinions and I've said this before.

Do we really need to rehash Duncan and Kobe again? It feels like days can't go by before someone has to bring it back up. It's a dead horse already, let it go. If you think Duncan is higher up than Kobe on YOUR list then good for you, if you think Kobe is higher up than Duncan on YOUR list then good for you.

You can't ban people for having an opinion, especially when yours is the whole point of this topic.

[Eye Test]

connor b

[BlackVVaves]

If you think a title as a role player puts Duncan over Kobe, you should be banned.

So Duncan was a "role player" in this Finals run according to you (conveniently ignoring the entire regular season, and his collective impact during the first 3 rounds AND first two games in this current series) .... but Kobe wasn't a role player in 2000? Is that what you're attempting to insinuate?

Peak for peak, prime for prime, Duncan was simply a better overall player than Kobe, has a more impressive resume than Kobe, and has officially stripped him of his "edge" in longevity. The man was top 3 in DPOY voting last season at 37 ****ing years, while Kobe hasn't tried to play defense since 2010 :roll:

If the Spurs manage to close this series out, Kobe stans will lose the only remnant they had left to proclaim Kobe's supremacy over Duncan. Not that it matters. Those of us that understand the game in unbiased fashion know that Duncan > Kobe....except when it comes to albatross contracts that cripple your franchise. Kobe's got that ownage for sure :bowdown:

[Artillery]

Lakers 4 Spurs 2 in the Playoffs. Spurs couldn't stop Kobe.

Steve Nash 2-1 vs Kobe. Lakers couldn't stop Nash.

[NZStreetBaller]

Steve Nash 2-1 vs Kobe. Lakers couldn't stop Nash.

Spurs 2 - 1 vs Lebron. Money couldn't stop Leonard.

[Anaximandro1]

Spurs fan here.

It's far from over. The guys need one more win ... I still remember Game 6.

I like the fact that the Spurs always show an incredible mental toughness after a devastating loss . Outstanding job so far (Duncan, Manu, Parker, Kawhi, Boris, Pop, etc.)


2004 Fisher's miracle shot -> 2005 Spurs win NBA title

2006 Manu's foul -> 2007 Spurs win NBA title

2013 Ray's shot -> 2014 Spurs take 3-1 lead in NBA Finals


This championship does nothing to Timmy's legacy for me. He's really nothing more than an OK player on this team.

OK?

38 year -old, leading the team in almost every statistical category.

Duncan is one of the best bang for your buck players in the NBA ... he is making $10 million in 2013-2014

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3KdY-uGW_jU/U5whEdIZq7I/AAAAAAAAC8Y/vMMwOGCM__U/s1600/1.jpg



but Kobe over Duncan? No because they're very close.

Duncan's legacy speak for itself


1) Regular season

- highest winning percentage out of any player of all of the 4 major sports teams in the last 17 years

- only player to have registered more than 2,000 points and 1,000 rebounds in the same season in the 21st century (2001-02)

- back to back MVPs (2002 - 2003)

- made the all nba 1st team in 3 different decades

- holds the record for the most total selections for NBA All-Defensive Teams with 14.

- Spurs have won 50 or more games 15 years in a row

- only player to lead his team to 17 straight playoffs appearances.



2) Playoffs

- He led four championship teams (99, 03, 05 and 07) in PTS, TRB and BLK during the regular season and playoffs

- 3 FMVP (only Jordan has more)

- Holds multiple records and has mindblowing stats


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-quHhy7FJk-0/U5whF11N62I/AAAAAAAAC8k/oeeULcEGIos/s1600/3.jpg


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Pfi4P0DbU1g/U5whEXZzlHI/AAAAAAAAC8U/pGAVAYQh24M/s1600/2.jpg

[BoutPractice]

It's actually a bigger problem if you were swayed in your opinion because of this win.

[DetroitPistonFan]

Steve Nash 2-1 vs Kobe. Lakers couldn't stop Nash.
Pistons 3 Bulls 1. Bulls couldn't stop Isiah.

[coin24]

Both Kobe and Duncan are top10 GOAT... bran is not:cheers: