2001 Kobe maybe most underrated season ever

[allball]

averaged 28.5 PPG to Shaq's 28.7 in the regular season and averaged 29.4 to Shaq's 30.4 in the playoffs. Kobe was 22 years old at the time which makes it most impressive. Shaq was 28. and keep in mind Shaq is a center in his prime vs Kobe as a wing/guard.

the way I remember it is that Kobe was arguably the most feared player in the league for the 01 and 02 seasons. maybe somebody remembers different but when people refer to him as being a second banana to me that's a bit misleading.

[Eye Test]

1a/1b, 1b/1a depending on what u had for breakfast

[Warfan]

Everyone that doesn't have an agenda knows kobe was a superstar and top 5 player those years, and was huge for the lakers in the playoffs.

[fpliii]

Best team ever.

[DonDadda59]

averaged 28.5 PPG to Shaq's 28.7 in the regular season and averaged 29.4 to Shaq's 30.4 in the playoffs. Kobe was 22 years old at the time which makes it most impressive. Shaq was 28. and keep in mind Shaq is a center in his prime vs Kobe as a wing/guard.

the way I remember it is that Kobe was arguably the most feared player in the league for the 01 and 02 seasons. maybe somebody remembers different but when people refer to him as being a second banana to me that's a bit misleading.


1a/1b, 1b/1a depending on what u had for breakfast

http://www.*************.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/A-revisionist-history-320x220.jpg

[dubeta]

Sidekick gonna sidekick

[ThePhantomCreep]

Lol @ idiots who want to pretend this ring doesn't count but Duncan's 2014 ring is legacy-defining. Pop could give Duncan a DNP and the Spurs would be tough to beat.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

FroBe was the best. When did he become such a bitch?

[moe94]

Lol @ idiots who want to pretend this ring doesn't count but Duncan's 2014 ring is legacy-defining. Pop could give Duncan a DNP and the Spurs would be tough to beat.

No one says it doesn't count. At least no one that isn't blatantly trolling. So why even bring it up?

[Akrazotile]

Kobe Bryant 2001: 28 points.... 55 TS%, 48 eFG%, 11.3 WS

Ray Allen 2001: 22 points... 61 TS%, 55.7 eFG%, 13.7 WS


If Ray wanted to chuck he could have easily achieved Kobe's numbers on the same percentage. Ray would have been an even better compliment to Shaq and probably would have won more rings. Kobe probably would have failed to make the playoffs or lost in the first round a bunch of times on Ray's Bucks :confusedshrug:


Just because Kobe is history's worst ballhog doesn't mean he's doing things other NBA players can't. There are just other guys in the league smart enough to know that if you're playing with prime Shaq, why would you have a 31.8% usage rate :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[GimmeThat]

I guess if your choice is to fight against "colluding". MVP sounds nice.

Because no matter what happens, no one is going to take THAT away from you.

[riseagainst]

Kobe Bryant 2001: 28 points.... 55 TS%, 48 eFG%, 11.3 WS

Ray Allen 2001: 22 points... 61 TS%, 55.7 eFG%, 13.7 WS


If Ray wanted to chuck he could have easily achieved Kobe's numbers on the same percentage. Ray would have been an even better compliment to Shaq and probably would have won more rings. Kobe probably would have failed to make the playoffs or lost in the first round a bunch of times on Ray's Bucks :confusedshrug:


Just because Kobe is history's worst ballhog doesn't mean he's doing things other NBA players can't. There are just other guys in the league smart enough to know that if you're playing with prime Shaq, why would you have a 31.8% usage rate :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm


:roll:

[allball]

Kobe Bryant 2001: 28 points.... 55 TS%, 48 eFG%, 11.3 WS

Ray Allen 2001: 22 points... 61 TS%, 55.7 eFG%, 13.7 WS


If Ray wanted to chuck he could have easily achieved Kobe's numbers on the same percentage. Ray would have been an even better compliment to Shaq and probably would have won more rings. Kobe probably would have failed to make the playoffs or lost in the first round a bunch of times on Ray's Bucks :confusedshrug:


Just because Kobe is history's worst ballhog doesn't mean he's doing things other NBA players can't. There are just other guys in the league smart enough to know that if you're playing with prime Shaq, why would you have a 31.8% usage rate :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

none of that has anything to do with how impressive this season was. he was only 22 and you could argue he was as good as anyone in the league that year.

[Akrazotile]

none of that has anything to do with how impressive this season was. he was only 22 and you could argue he was as good as anyone in the league that year.


because of his point totals???

bro, gilbert arenas could have done what kobe did if he was healthy long enough. taking a bunch of shots to score 28 points on so-so efficiency is not what makes you a good basketball player.

The league average shooting percentage is 46%. Kobe shoots 46%. The Denver Nuggets could achieve as a team with a bunch of role players what a team with Kobe taking all the shots does, if all other parts are equal. Luckily for Kobrick, he's had the most dominant frontcourts in the game to carry him to titles.

Deal with it.

[Akrazotile]

Gilbert Arenas 2005: 29 points, 58 TS%, 55 eFG% 27 AST%, 13.6 WS
Kobe Bryant 2001: 28 points, 55 TS% 48 eFG% 23 AST%, 11 WS


:roll:

[moe94]

Peak Arenas :bowdown:

[sammichoffate]

Gilbert Arenas 2005: 29 points, 58 TS%, 55 eFG% 27 AST%, 13.6 WS
Kobe Bryant 2001: 28 points, 55 TS% 48 eFG% 23 AST%, 11 WS


:roll:*Cough statwhore *cough

[Akrazotile]

Peak Arenas :bowdown:


Peak Arenas, Peak Kobe, Peak Iverson, Peak Melo... it's all the same guy.

The only reason Kobe won more than the others is because he got dropped safely into the arms of the Lakers.

He's just like any iso volume chucker. The idea that people actually think he's a better basketball player than the likes of Kidd or Pau or Robinson or Paul etc. just because he chucks more bricks is offensive. In an all-time draft where you're actually trying to create the team best fit suited to winning... Kobe would be like in the 60s. He's as likely to chuck you out of the game as he is to help you win it. How many alltime greats does something like that apply to??? Basically only Kobe. He's a constructed legend.

[allball]

because of his point totals???

bro, gilbert arenas could have done what kobe did if he was healthy long enough. taking a bunch of shots to score 28 points on so-so efficiency is not what makes you a good basketball player.

The league average shooting percentage is 46%. Kobe shoots 46%. The Denver Nuggets could achieve as a team with a bunch of role players what a team with Kobe taking all the shots does, if all other parts are equal. Luckily for Kobrick, he's had the most dominant frontcourts in the game to carry him to titles.

Deal with it.

it's not about who could do it or speculation. it's about who DID do it. deal with that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-kpF8bOg7g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-kpF8bOg7g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QWdsVQN_BE

[DonDadda59]

Gilbert Arenas 2005: 29 points, 58 TS%, 55 eFG% 27 AST%, 13.6 WS
Kobe Bryant 2001: 28 points, 55 TS% 48 eFG% 23 AST%, 11 WS


:roll:

Agent 0 that season = the most feared being in the Galaxy.

[moe94]

Agent 0 that season = the most feared being in the Galaxy.

Those pull up 3s like it was no thang :biggums:

[Warfan]

it's not about who could do it or speculation. it's about who DID do it. deal with that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-kpF8bOg7g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-kpF8bOg7g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QWdsVQN_BE


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rjfxlvvXfSw

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p0HtbJFEzJM

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dqoXUBfDy1g

=peak Melo

:kobe:

[allball]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rjfxlvvXfSw

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p0HtbJFEzJM

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dqoXUBfDy1g

=peak Melo

:kobe:

you brought out the big guns. the ones with my Kings hurts.

[Akrazotile]

Those pull up 3s like it was no thang :biggums:

34-5-5 in the playoffs too with a first round boot. Basically the same result you get when Kobe is 'the man'.


Ohh, but Kobe is top 10 and Dilbert is like 126 because kobe has teh 5 rings doeee :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

[ThePhantomCreep]

Peak Arenas, Peak Kobe, Peak Iverson, Peak Melo... it's all the same guy.

The only reason Kobe won more than the others is because he got dropped safely into the arms of the Lakers.

He's just like any iso volume chucker. The idea that people actually think he's a better basketball player than the likes of Kidd or Pau or Robinson or Paul etc. just because he chucks more bricks is offensive. In an all-time draft where you're actually trying to create the team best fit suited to winning... Kobe would be like in the 60s. He's as likely to chuck you out of the game as he is to help you win it. How many alltime greats does something like that apply to??? Basically only Kobe. He's a constructed legend.

I'm convinced you're the biggest idiot on this board, and that's saying a lot given all the so-called box-score experts we have running around here. You've probably never held a basketball in your life.

LeBron's and his pretty FG% are about to get trounced in the Finals (again) and you still have the nerve to trot out the "FG% is the only stat that matters" argument? Kobe has a handful of rings yet CP3, who still hasn't gotten out of the second round on a loaded roster, is still better? Pau Gasol couldn't win a playoff game before teaming with Kobe. But yeah, he's better. FG% is all that matters! Idiot.

[Milbuck]

Gilbert Arenas 2005: 29 points, 58 TS%, 55 eFG% 27 AST%, 13.6 WS
Kobe Bryant 2001: 28 points, 55 TS% 48 eFG% 23 AST%, 11 WS

Lebron James 2007: 27 points, 55% TS, 51 eFG%, 29 AST%, 13.7 WS

Arenas > Lebron?

EDIT: Also, Arenas never in his career had a 55 eFG%...he peaked at 51.

[allball]

Peak Arenas, Peak Kobe, Peak Iverson, Peak Melo... it's all the same guy.

The only reason Kobe won more than the others is because he got dropped safely into the arms of the Lakers.

He's just like any iso volume chucker. The idea that people actually think he's a better basketball player than the likes of Kidd or Pau or Robinson or Paul etc. just because he chucks more bricks is offensive. In an all-time draft where you're actually trying to create the team best fit suited to winning... Kobe would be like in the 60s. He's as likely to chuck you out of the game as he is to help you win it. How many alltime greats does something like that apply to??? Basically only Kobe. He's a constructed legend.

okay

[AlphaWolf24]

http://www.*************.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/A-revisionist-history-320x220.jpg


mmm.....were you even following basketball in 2001....

were you in Cali....Kobe was the 2nd coming of MJ and probably the NBA's most popular player next to AI.

http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr320/BruceBlitz/AlphaWolf-2173769_596_800_zpsa88ae143.jpg

nearly every non biased fan understood Kobe was the leagues most explosive player and possibly the best all around.

even after the WCFinals.....Both Snaq and Phil called Kobe the leagues best player.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj_CuS2KCz4#t=368 ( around 6:30 sec)


Jesus Kobe Haters are a sad lot.:lol

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kobe Bryant 2001: 28 points.... 55 TS%, 48 eFG%, 11.3 WS

Ray Allen 2001: 22 points... 61 TS%, 55.7 eFG%, 13.7 WS


If Ray wanted to chuck he could have easily achieved Kobe's numbers on the same percentage. Ray would have been an even better compliment to Shaq and probably would have won more rings. Kobe probably would have failed to make the playoffs or lost in the first round a bunch of times on Ray's Bucks :confusedshrug:


Just because Kobe is history's worst ballhog doesn't mean he's doing things other NBA players can't. There are just other guys in the league smart enough to know that if you're playing with prime Shaq, why would you have a 31.8% usage rate :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Why stop at WS? What about their PER, ORTG or even their WS/48? The more information the better :cheers:

[BlackVVaves]

averaged 28.5 PPG to Shaq's 28.7 in the regular season and averaged 29.4 to Shaq's 30.4 in the playoffs. Kobe was 22 years old at the time which makes it most impressive. Shaq was 28. and keep in mind Shaq is a center in his prime vs Kobe as a wing/guard.

the way I remember it is that Kobe was arguably the most feared player in the league for the 01 and 02 seasons. maybe somebody remembers different but when people refer to him as being a second banana to me that's a bit misleading.

Was with you until there :no:

Kobe, even at his height in 2006-2008, was never feared more than 2000-2002 Shaq, let alone pre-peak Kobe in 2001, 2002.

You either didn't watch much basketball back then, or are a less confrontational Kobe stan. Either way, it's revisionist history.

But yeah. 2001 Kobe, both offensively and defensively, was really ****ing good. He brought an overall impact to the game that was profound. If only he sustained that commitment to defensive superiority over his entire career....

[Akrazotile]

nearly every non biased fan understood Kobe was the leagues most explosive player and possibly the best all around.

even after the WCFinals.....Both Snaq and Phil called Kobe the leagues best player.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj_CuS2KCz4#t=368


Jesus Kobe Haters are a sad lot.:lol


So if he was the league's BEST player, how come he achieved so little in the prime of his career without having the league's BEST big man?


The list of guys who at least won a series without another HOFer in their prime includes Howard, Bran, CP3, Dirk, Wade, Duncan, Durant etc...

How come Kobe could never chuck his team through to the second round without a dominant HOF big man in his prime?

[AlphaWolf24]

Was with you until there :no:

Kobe, even at his height in 2006-2008, was never feared more than 2000-2002 Shaq, let alone pre-peak Kobe in 2001, 2002.

You either didn't watch much basketball back then, or are a less confrontational Kobe stan. Either way, it's revisionist history.

But yeah. 2001 Kobe, both offensively and defensively, was really ****ing good. He brought an overall impact to the game that was profound. If only he sustained that commitment to defensive superiority over his entire career....

WTF are U smoking.....pass it over here.

Snaq was feared more then player ever ( including MJ) if he raised his hand 3 feet from the hoop....

but Kobe was dangerous everywhere!!....he could attack anywhere.

He was the one dropping into Snaq and playing elite defense ( hello record for all NBA defensive teams)

Kobe and Shaq made a deadly duo.....Kobe was feared everywhere...


"He shoots his threes, he takes it to the hole, he likes the baseline jumpers. But what he does best is he takes what’s given. It’s the sign of a very intelligent basketball player. You see him read games and see how it’s going, see where he’s needed. Sometimes he’ll just defer to everyone else for a while until he sees what’s the weakness in the other team, or what’s available to him, or how people are guarding him or how his team is playing. He factors all these things in and then comes and tries to kick your ass." - Coach Greg Popovich



Popovich, head coach of the San Antonio Spurs, coached against Kobe Bryant in the postseason five times in this decade.


:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[allball]

Was with you until there :no:

Kobe, even at his height in 2006-2008, was never feared more than 2000-2002 Shaq, let alone pre-peak Kobe in 2001, 2002.

You either didn't watch much basketball back then, or are a less confrontational Kobe stan. Either way, it's revisionist history.

But yeah. 2001 Kobe, both offensively and defensively, was really ****ing good. He brought an overall impact to the game that was profound. If only he sustained that commitment to defensive superiority over his entire career....

Dude I was a Kings fan. I remember how hard Kobe was to deal with. as far as being a stan or whatever that shit is yall use today, I hated him because my team couldn't beat him but I respected and loved his talent and game. Shaq said Kobe was the best in the world at that time. not me.

[tpols]

So if he was the league's BEST player, how come he achieved so little in the prime of his career without having the league's BEST big man?


The list of guys who at least won a series without another HOFer in their prime includes Howard, Bran, CP3, Dirk, Wade, Duncan, Durant etc...

How come Kobe could never chuck his team through to the second round without a dominant HOF big man in his prime?

Pau was never the league's best big man.. hes 0-16 without kobe in the playoffs. While Kobe couldnt win a series.. Pau couldnt win a single GAME. :oldlol:

[ThePhantomCreep]

So if he was the league's BEST player, how come he achieved so little in the prime of his career without having the league's BEST big man?


The list of guys who at least won a series without another HOFer in their prime includes Howard, Bran, CP3, Dirk, Wade, Duncan, Durant etc...

How come Kobe could never chuck his team through to the second round without a dominant HOF big man in his prime?

And now we come to the part of the show where Pau Gasol is overrated to absurd lengths.

I bet you were one of the geniuses who said "Gasol > Dirk" back in those days. Then the 2011 playoffs happened. I wonder whatever happened to Pau's remains?

[KOBE143]

And some idiots here thinks that if you replace Kobe with any elite guard like Tmac, AI, Ray Allen, etc, the Lakers would still won those championships but in reality, you replace Shaq with any average center and the Lakers would still 3peat without problem.. This was already proven when Kobe had an injured no knee Bynum as his starting center and they still won back to back.. Should have been 3peat if not for this garbage center making Perkins looks like prime Shaq..

[Jacks3]

Another thread ruined...

[AlphaWolf24]

So if he was the league's BEST player, how come he achieved so little in the prime of his career without having the league's BEST big man?


The list of guys who at least won a series without another HOFer in their prime includes Howard, Bran, CP3, Dirk, Wade, Duncan, Durant etc...

How come Kobe could never chuck his team through to the second round without a dominant HOF big man in his prime?


WTF?....2 years ( 1 year he was injured and missed what was it 7 - 10 games late in the season and LA missed the playoff's)

Kobe made those Big Men great.....look at Snaq's career without Kobe.....his post season is laughable at best.

I won't even mention Pau...he never won 1 playoff game without Kobe.

Bynum hasn't even played in the NBA without Kobe......Kobe turns water into wine...


take the wax outta yo ears and recognize game when it's in yo face.

[stalkerforlife]

Pau the best big man...

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[moe94]

And some idiots here thinks that if you replace Kobe with any elite guard like Tmac, AI, Ray Allen, etc, the Lakers would still won those championships but in reality, you replace Shaq with any average center and the Lakers would still 3peat without problem.. This was already proven when Kobe had an injured no knee Bynum as his starting center and they still won back to back.. Should have been 3peat if not for this garbage center making Perkins looks like prime Shaq..
:biggums:

[AlphaWolf24]

And some idiots here thinks that if you replace Kobe with any elite guard like Tmac, AI, Ray Allen, etc, the Lakers would still won those championships but in reality, you replace Shaq with any average center and the Lakers would still 3peat without problem.. This was already proven when Kobe had an injured no knee Bynum as his starting center and they still won back to back.. Should have been 3peat if not for this garbage center making Perkins looks like prime Shaq..


This....

Snaq played with Penny, Lebron , Wade ( snaq was hella skinny and in great shape), Nash and PP, Rondo, KG.....

He was nothing without Kobe doing everything and feeding the rock 3' from the hoop so he could turn and dunk...( young Snaq could get his from 5' out or putbacks)

[Akrazotile]

And now we come to the part of the show where Pau Gasol is overrated to absurd lengths.

I bet you were one of the geniuses who said "Gasol > Dirk" back in those days. Then the 2011 playoffs happened. I wonder whatever happened to Pau's remains?


You don't understand, and I'm not surprised.

Pau was doing for the Lakers at that time what the Spurs big men are doing for them right now. Running them with high precision, like a well oiled machine. Look at where the Spurs are right now, without anyone on their team being a chucker like Kobe.

If you go back and watch both the ESPN and TNT crews during those final runs, every game they were saying "I don't know why the Lakers don't just throw the ball inside more, nobody can match up with their twin towers (pau and bynum) and their interior passing is great with Pau and Odom."

Kobe was trying to hog all the credit, take the iso, hog all the shots, be selfish... basically just doin Kobe. The reason they were WINNING is because of how smoothly Pau was working the offense from the paint, not to mention their bench was far better than stans like to pretend it was.

Imagine if you put Kobe on this Spurs team. Would they be "twice as good" as they are now? No, they'd probably be worse. Because he's a chucker who doens't play good basketball. You probably don't think anyone on the Spurs is any good because they aren't scoring 30 points a game. That's your understanding of basketball. Pau was playing at a higher level than anyone on the Spurs currently and it wasn't about SCORING the ball it was about team offense. He was legitimately making other guys better while Kobe was trying to show off against terrible defensive teams like the suns and jazz, then getting exposed against good ones like the Celtics.


Kobrick the most overrated player in league history :facepalm

[moe94]

This....

Snaq played with Penny, Lebron , Wade ( snaq was hella skinny and in great shape), Nash and PP, Rondo, KG.....

He was nothing without Kobe doing everything and feeding the rock 3' from the hoop so he could turn and dunk...( young Snaq could get his from 5' out or putbacks)
Are you seriously blaming him for those years? :roll:

..pst...next (fvck does that even mean? Like do you do that in real life?)

[Heavincent]

You don't understand, and I'm not surprised.

Pau was doing for the Lakers at that time what the Spurs big men are doing for them right now. Running them with high precision, like a well oiled machine. Look at where the Spurs are right now, without anyone on their team being a chucker like Kobe.

If you go back and watch both the ESPN and TNT crews during those final runs, every game they were saying "I don't know why the Lakers don't just throw the ball inside more, nobody can match up with their twin towers (pau and bynum) and their interior passing is great with Pau and Odom."

Kobe was trying to hog all the credit, take the iso, hog all the shots, be selfish... basically just doin Kobe. The reason they were WINNING is because of how smoothly Pau was working the offense from the paint, not to mention their bench was far better than stans like to pretend it was.

Imagine if you put Kobe on this Spurs team. Would they be "twice as good" as they are now? No, they'd probably be worse. Because he's a chucker who doens't play good basketball. You probably don't think anyone on the Spurs is any good because they aren't scoring 30 points a game. That's your understanding of basketball. Pau was playing at a higher level than anyone on the Spurs currently and it wasn't about SCORING the ball it was about team offense. He was legitimately making other guys better while Kobe was trying to show off against terrible defensive teams like the suns and jazz, then getting exposed against good ones like the Celtics.


Kobrick the most overrated player in league history :facepalm

I thought you said you were leaving ISH forever?

Stupid attention whore.

[Akrazotile]

I thought you said you were leaving ISH forever?

Stupid attention whore.


I'm spittin truth son, better take your claritin.

[Heavincent]

I'm spittin truth son, better take your claritin.

JEFF WAS MEAN TO ME! I'M NEVER COMING BACK! LIKE...EVER!

Were you even gone for a day? :oldlol:

[AlphaWolf24]

Are you seriously blaming him for those years? :roll:

..pst...next (fvck does that even mean? Like do you do that in real life?)


I ant blaming Snaq for anthing...just stating what happened in realife.

He played with so many elite players.....but never even sniffed the play he had with Kobe.

meanwhile Kobe making Kwame( well at least made him lok respectable),Pau, Bynum:lol and Odom look way better ....sh!t replaced Snaq with Bynum and the Lakers din't skip a beat.


















(thumps chest) GTFOutta my house......next

[Akrazotile]

JEFF WAS MEAN TO ME! I'M NEVER COMING BACK! LIKE...EVER!

Were you even gone for a day? :oldlol:


Bro, seriously. Dont make me ****in retire again. Just relax.

[allball]

I'm not talking about his entire career. just this season. i saw it with my own eyes. the boy was bad. that said it's ridiculous to say Kobe didn't need Shaq or vise versa.

the way Kobe played THAT season I could only replace him with any year MJ or 06 Wade.

as for Shaq maybe prime Hakeem or Jabbar.

[moe94]

I ant blaming Snaq for anthing...just stating what happened in realife.

He played with so many elite players.....but never even sniffed the play he had with Kobe.

meanwhile Kobe making Kwame( well at least made him lok respectable),Pau, Bynum:lol and Odom look way better ....sh!t replaced Snaq with Bynum and the Lakers din't skip a beat.


















(thumps chest) GTFOutta my house......next

Maybe because he was already out of his prime on those mentioned? Stop being retarded.

[KOBE143]

This....

Snaq played with Penny, Lebron , Wade ( snaq was hella skinny and in great shape), Nash and PP, Rondo, KG.....

He was nothing without Kobe doing everything and feeding the rock 3' from the hoop so he could turn and dunk...( young Snaq could get his from 5' out or putbacks)
How many tittle has Shaq won with those elite players compare with Kobe?

3 rings with Kobe compare to 1 ring with Wade, LeBron, Penny, Nash, Rondo, KG, PP..

This proves Kobe >>> LeBron, Wade, Penny, Nash, PP, Rondo, KG combined..

How Great Is Our Lawd! :bowdown:

[kureyşi-gospurs]

averaged 28.5 PPG to Shaq's 28.7 in the regular season and averaged 29.4 to Shaq's 30.4 in the playoffs. Kobe was 22 years old at the time which makes it most impressive. Shaq was 28. and keep in mind Shaq is a center in his prime vs Kobe as a wing/guard.

the way I remember it is that Kobe was arguably the most feared player in the league for the 01 and 02 seasons. maybe somebody remembers different but when people refer to him as being a second banana to me that's a bit misleading.

Great points but T-Mac has had some crazy underrated seasons too

[AlphaWolf24]

Maybe because he was already out of his prime on those mentioned? Stop being retarded.


He was Past his prime in Orlando?...with Penny and Grant?

He was past his prime in LA when Kobe was 17 years old?......He didn't do sh!t until Kobe became Kobe.....the Laker team was shook as hell against Utah....scared to to do anything passing the rock to teenage Kobe.

He was past his prime when he joined the Heat?.....I remember he was in the best shape since Orlando days....He was Fat as hell in 03' and 04' on the Lakers.

Nearly everyone thought Him and Lebron would be in the Finals....do we really need to go back and look at how many people thought the Cavs with Snaq , Bron , Jamison and Powe would contend.....

Snaq didn't have to Dominate just play a Role ...just like Tim Duncan now....his ego was too big and quit...." Win a Ring for the King"...my azz.

[bdreason]

Kids with their numbers.

[Solid Snake]

No one says it doesn't count. At least no one that isn't blatantly trolling. So why even bring it up?

Hmm, maybe because that's what Kobe haters ALWAYS say????????? Where have you been for the past decade+ ?? WTF

[allball]

Great points but T-Mac has had some crazy underrated seasons too

just dont T-Mac had the swagger and toughness of Frobe.

[ThePhantomCreep]

You don't understand, and I'm not surprised.

Pau was doing for the Lakers at that time what the Spurs big men are doing for them right now. Running them with high precision, like a well oiled machine. Look at where the Spurs are right now, without anyone on their team being a chucker like Kobe.

If you go back and watch both the ESPN and TNT crews during those final runs, every game they were saying "I don't know why the Lakers don't just throw the ball inside more, nobody can match up with their twin towers (pau and bynum) and their interior passing is great with Pau and Odom."

Kobe was trying to hog all the credit, take the iso, hog all the shots, be selfish... basically just doin Kobe. The reason they were WINNING is because of how smoothly Pau was working the offense from the paint, not to mention their bench was far better than stans like to pretend it was.

Imagine if you put Kobe on this Spurs team. Would they be "twice as good" as they are now? No, they'd probably be worse. Because he's a chucker who doens't play good basketball. You probably don't think anyone on the Spurs is any good because they aren't scoring 30 points a game. That's your understanding of basketball. Pau was playing at a higher level than anyone on the Spurs currently and it wasn't about SCORING the ball it was about team offense. He was legitimately making other guys better while Kobe was trying to show off against terrible defensive teams like the suns and jazz, then getting exposed against good ones like the Celtics.


Kobrick the most overrated player in league history :facepalm

Bynum
2009 postseason: 6/4
2010: 9/7

Omgz, what dominance. Move over Duncan/Robinson!

It's pretty comical watching your ilk overrate Kobe's supporting cast to this day. I guess you had to after your dreams of Kobe never winning a title without Shaq went up in smoke. It's complete bullshit though--Kobe's team was no more "stacked" than numerous other legends who don't get an ounce of the shit Kobe does. Shaq won his four rings with the consensus #2 and #4 shooting guards of all-time and nobody says a word. Kobe wins with Gasol (who might crack a top 15 list of PFs) and its an indictment on the guy. Get lost.

And please tell me what was so great about the Laker bench outside of Odom, who was a glorified starter? The awesomeness of Farmar, Sasha, and Luke Walton? DJ Mbenga?

The 2008-2010 Lakers proved you could build around Kobe and win titles. You lose. Just be grateful that team came together at the tail end of Kobe's prime. It coulda been a lot worse.

[9erempiree]

Don't mess with Alpha. He will bring it.

[Soundwave]

Kobe's a great player but lets not act that he didn't benefit massively from teams not being able to double team him, because if you did that you-know-who would go to town in the paint like a T-Rex ripping a little lamb apart.

[AnaheimLakers24]

I'm spittin truth son, better take your claritin.
5> 2
kobe > bran

[ThePhantomCreep]

Kobe's a great player but lets not act that he didn't benefit massively from teams not being able to double team him, because if you did that you-know-who would go to town in the paint like a T-Rex ripping a little lamb apart.


People seriously think Kobe saw no double teams?

It's not like his production dropped on his own. Hell, his best scoring seasons were with Kwame Brown in the paint.

Kobe was constantly breaking defenses down with his dribble penetration and fed Shaq plenty of easy baskets because of it. They both benefited. Hell, the famous alley-oop to Shaq only happened because Grant left him unguarded to stop Kobe's drive.

[The-Legend-24]

01 Frobe had a better post season than Bran has so far. And against WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY better competition. :oldlol:

[Inferno]

01 Frobe had a better post season than Bran has so far. And against WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY better competition. :oldlol:

:coleman:

[Artillery]

01 Frobe had a better post season than Bran has so far. And against WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY better competition. :oldlol:

lol at better competition.

The Jailblazers - the worst behaved team in professional sports history. They had more locker room issues than all the other teams in the NBA combined.

A Kings team that relied on ball movement but had one of the worst point guards in NBA history running their offense(Jason Williams). No coincidence they got much better a year later when they replaced that moron with a competent point guard in Bibby.

The 2001 Spurs - a one-man team with one of the worst backcourts in SA history. Hilariously bad wing rotation. Old, undersized has-beens that were injured(Derek Anderson) or had medical conditions(Sean Elliott battling kidney disease). None of these guys would even be good enough to be benchers on the 2014 Spurs.

And then you have a typical inefficient Finals performance for Kirby, relying on big daddy to do most of the heavy lifting(like in every Final he played in with Shaq).

[The-Legend-24]

lol at better competition.

The Jailblazers - the worst behaved team in professional sports history. They had more locker room issues than all the other teams in the NBA combined.

A Kings team that relied on ball movement but had one of the worst point guards in NBA history running their offense(Jason Williams). No coincidence they got much better a year later when they replaced that moron with a competent point guard in Bibby.

The 2001 Spurs - a one-man team with one of the worst backcourts in SA history. Hilariously bad wing rotation. Old, undersized has-beens that were injured(Derek Anderson) or had medical conditions(Sean Elliott battling kidney disease). None of these guys would even be good enough to be benchers on the 2014 Spurs.

And then you have a typical inefficient Finals performance for Kirby, relying on big daddy to do most of the heavy lifting(like in every Final he played in with Shaq).
You're right. Bobcats, old ass Nets, and the Pacers >

:roll:

[ThePhantomCreep]

You're right. Bobcats, old ass Nets, and the Pacers >

:roll:

Compared to the Blazers (50 wins), Kings (55 wins) and Spurs (58 wins). That "one man team" had the best record in the NBA and the series was widely considered the real NBA Finals.

The 2001 Lakers best as many 50 win teams as the Heat in their four Final runs combined.

Kobe-haters are idiots. All of them.

[GimmeThat]

I'm pretty sure Kobe/Shaq made all of the players who played with them worse.

Just look at their stats.

Mama, there goes that TEAM

[ImKobe]

Kobe led the Playoffs in WS and had a .260 WS/48 in the POs, same as Shaq. Put up 33/7/7 in the WCF, b2b 45+ pt 10+ reb games on the road against the Kings and the Spurs, nuff said.

[allball]

Compared to the Blazers (50 wins), Kings (55 wins) and Spurs (58 wins). That "one man team" had the best record in the NBA and the series was widely considered the real NBA Finals.

The 2001 Lakers best as many 50 win teams as the Heat in their four Final runs combined.

Kobe-haters are idiots. All of them.

Kobe's performance against Sacramento and San Antonio was legendary that year. didn't have the greatest finals on offense but Philly was a tough Larry Brown coached defensive team. He still held his own for such a young player and his defense was on point.

[STATUTORY]

Kobe's performance against Sacramento and San Antonio was legendary that year. didn't have the greatest finals on offense but Philly was a tough Larry Brown coached defensive team. He still held his own for such a young player and his defense was on point.
the real finals were always the WCF in those years because the east was such a joke. and it was always Kobe that carried the lakers in those series

[Ne 1]

Kobe's performance against Sacramento and San Antonio was legendary that year. didn't have the greatest finals on offense but Philly was a tough Larry Brown coached defensive team. He still held his own for such a young player and his defense was on point.
2001 definitely wasn't a bad Finals for Kobe. He struggled in the game 1 loss, but he still had a solid all around series despite that, particularly after game 1, and the Lakers won in a 5 game backdoor sweep of course. In the 4 straight wins he averaged 27/9/6. Not a bad series at all, particularly against a defensive powerhouse like Larry Brown's 2001 Sixers. (#5 ranked defense and #1 ranked after the Mutumbo trade in February)
He contributed on both ends of the court, and had a few triple double type games. 31/8/6/2/2 in Game 2 to get the Lakers back on track and prevent an 0-2 deficit and also, his Game 3, he had a memorable streak, I think in the 3rd quarter, when he got hot and sank like 6 or 7 baskets without a miss, most from about 18 feet, making the traditionally tough Philly fans go "ooh". Not to mention the Sixers had strong, stifling perimeter defenders like Aaron McKie, Eric Snow and Raja Bell to guard him and Defensive Player of the Year Mutombo manning the paint.

[Rocketswin2013]

You don't understand, and I'm not surprised.

Pau was doing for the Lakers at that time what the Spurs big men are doing for them right now. Running them with high precision, like a well oiled machine. Look at where the Spurs are right now, without anyone on their team being a chucker like Kobe.

If you go back and watch both the ESPN and TNT crews during those final runs, every game they were saying "I don't know why the Lakers don't just throw the ball inside more, nobody can match up with their twin towers (pau and bynum) and their interior passing is great with Pau and Odom."

Kobe was trying to hog all the credit, take the iso, hog all the shots, be selfish... basically just doin Kobe. The reason they were WINNING is because of how smoothly Pau was working the offense from the paint, not to mention their bench was far better than stans like to pretend it was.

Imagine if you put Kobe on this Spurs team. Would they be "twice as good" as they are now? No, they'd probably be worse. Because he's a chucker who doens't play good basketball. You probably don't think anyone on the Spurs is any good because they aren't scoring 30 points a game. That's your understanding of basketball. Pau was playing at a higher level than anyone on the Spurs currently and it wasn't about SCORING the ball it was about team offense. He was legitimately making other guys better while Kobe was trying to show off against terrible defensive teams like the suns and jazz, then getting exposed against good ones like the Celtics.


Kobrick the most overrated player in league history :facepalm
:hammerhead:

[Rubio2Gasol]

Specifically 01, it was like, you saw him grow on the court every game. After all the shit that happened that season w/ Shaw and the team wanting to.ostracise the kid, it was amazing.

[Ne 1]

the real finals were always the WCF in those years because the east was such a joke. and it was always Kobe that carried the lakers in those series
Well the 2000 Blazers were better than the Pacers, but Shaq was the MVP of that series, although Kobe came up huge in Game 7. 2001, Kobe was the MVP of the Spurs series in the WCF, but I'm not so sure I'd call that series the "real Finals" considering the Lakers blew out the Spurs in about every game and swept them. The Sixers actually were probably the stiffest competition they faced in the playoffs that year considering they stole game 1 and kept a couple of the games close iirc, the 2002 WCF vs Kings you can say was the "real Finals", but still l'd say Shaq was the MVP of that series, but after going back and watching that series again it was actually closer than the stats say. Kobe was just as important as Shaq in the wins but Shaq played better in the losses and Kobe had some awful shooting nights in the losses.

[riseagainst]

lol at better competition.

The Jailblazers - the worst behaved team in professional sports history. They had more locker room issues than all the other teams in the NBA combined.

A Kings team that relied on ball movement but had one of the worst point guards in NBA history running their offense(Jason Williams). No coincidence they got much better a year later when they replaced that moron with a competent point guard in Bibby.

The 2001 Spurs - a one-man team with one of the worst backcourts in SA history. Hilariously bad wing rotation. Old, undersized has-beens that were injured(Derek Anderson) or had medical conditions(Sean Elliott battling kidney disease). None of these guys would even be good enough to be benchers on the 2014 Spurs.

And then you have a typical inefficient Finals performance for Kirby, relying on big daddy to do most of the heavy lifting(like in every Final he played in with Shaq).

Those 3 teams are better than any team the Heat faced in the East. Be objective, maybe all the lebron c()m in your eyes are preventing you to see things objectively. :oldlol: