I dont like hypotheticals, but if you put Kobe on those Bulls teams, they still win 6

[livinglegend]

championships. Those Bulls team were too stacked. They were contenders without MJ. Even a player like Kobe would put them way over the top of the other teams.
And Kobe wouldnt give up on the team twice.

[KOBE143]

Agree Kobe would win 8 chips there because he would not quit but if you put Bran there, they would be 2/5 instead

[livinglegend]

Agree Kobe would win 8 chips there because he would not quit but if you put Bran there, they would be 2/5 instead

i dont know about 8

[NumberSix]

I agree

[sammichoffate]

This was a random topic, but okay :lol

[livinglegend]

Bran would only win 2

i guess you are making this comment thinking i m a lebron stan

fail

[SuperPippen]

I don't like hypotheticals either, but if you put prime MJ next to prime Shaq, you get at least 6 rings right there.

:D

[TheMan]

championships. Those Bulls team were too stacked. They were contenders without MJ. Even a player like Kobe would put them way over the top of the other teams.
And Kobe wouldnt give up on the team twice.
Not too sure about that, you seen some of the shots Kobe takes? Pretty sure he would've shot us out of more than a few series...

One thing's for sure, put MJ on the 2011 Heat instead of LeBron and they'd be threepeat champs today.

[TheMan]

Bran would only win 2
Not enough 'help'

[livinglegend]

Not too sure about that, you seen some of the shots Kobe takes? Pretty sure he would've shot us out of more than a few series...

One thing's for sure, put MJ on the 2011 Heat instead of LeBron and they'd be threepeat champs today.

nah, they wouldnt win 2012 without lebron. Lebron did too much for that team.

[Akrazotile]

Six total playoff games. Sounds about right.

[Milbuck]

I think with Kobe, they win 2/3 for both 3-peats. So 4, maybe 3 if they're unlucky, maybe 5 if they're exceptionally lucky. Most likely 4, but 6 isn't happening.

1st 3-peat

27-29 year old MJ: 31/6/6/3/1 on 58% TS

27-29 year old Kobe: 32/6/5/2/1 on 57% TS

2nd 3-peat

32-34 year old MJ: 30/6/4/2/1 on 56% TS

32-34 year old Kobe: 27/5/5/2 on 55% TS


MJ is clearly better, especially defensively, but the gap isn't monumental. I think Kobe at the ages considered, is good enough to win 4/6 rings with Michael's teams.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I think with Kobe, they win 2/3 for both 3-peats. So 4, maybe 3 if they're unlucky, maybe 5 if they're exceptionally lucky. Most likely 4, but 6 isn't happening.

1st 3-peat

27-29 year old MJ: 31/6/6/3/1 on 58% TS

27-29 year old Kobe: 32/6/5/2/1 on 57% TS

2nd 3-peat

32-34 year old MJ: 30/6/4/2/1 on 56% TS

32-34 year old Kobe: 27/5/5/2 on 55% TS


MJ is clearly better, especially defensively, but the gap isn't monumental. I think Kobe at the ages considered, is good enough to win 4/6 rings with Michael's teams.

:wtf:

Those stats are closer than I originally thought.. Can you post their playoff numbers?

[livinglegend]

I think with Kobe, they win 2/3 for both 3-peats. So 4, maybe 3 if they're unlucky, maybe 5 if they're exceptionally lucky. Most likely 4, but 6 isn't happening.

1st 3-peat

27-29 year old MJ: 31/6/6/3/1 on 58% TS

27-29 year old Kobe: 32/6/5/2/1 on 57% TS

2nd 3-peat

32-34 year old MJ: 30/6/4/2/1 on 56% TS

32-34 year old Kobe: 27/5/5/2 on 55% TS


MJ is clearly better, especially defensively, but the gap isn't monumental. I think Kobe at the ages considered, is good enough to win 4/6 rings with Michael's teams.

kobe wouldnt waste years playing baseball
That season where Bulls won 55 games without MJ, they would have won it with Kobe.

[moe94]

:wtf:

Those stats are closer than I originally thought.. Can you post their playoff numbers?

That's what I was thinking. Something is up.:coleman:

[JUDGE WITNESS]

agreed

[deja vu]

Replace Kobe with Jordan on the Lakers they win 8. :bowdown:

[Warfan]

:wtf:

Those stats are closer than I originally thought.. Can you post their playoff numbers?

Kobe 27-29: 30/6/5
Jordan 27-29: 34/6/7

When u factor in defense and the competition they played during that time, Jordan was MUCH better...

Not to mention MJ probably played twice as many games as kobe

[kureyşi-gospurs]

I mean he'd win probably 5/6

[Milbuck]

That's what I was thinking. Something is up.:coleman:
It's Kobe and MJ, not Monta Ellis and MJ :oldlol:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kobe 27-29: 30/6/5
Jordan 27-29: 34/6/7

When u factor in defense and the competition they played during that time, Jordan was MUCH better...

Not to mention MJ probably played twice as many games as kobe

Agreed.

Kobe was a BEAST though, and far as the topic is concerned, I'd say the Bulls win 3-4 (seems like the safest bet).

[diamenz]

op, possibly in 96-98 (this team was stacked), but def not during the first 3 peat... especially with the numbers mj put up in the finals.

[Soundwave]

Kobe got shut down pretty good by the 2004 Pistons, I think his style of game would lead the Bulls into some problems with the Knicks in 93.

Also not sure if beating Orlando in 96 would be a given either.

But he could fill in reasonably, I mean he literally patterned his whole game around Jordan, he just has a lower basketball I.Q. and propensity to start chucking when things aren't going his way, so you have to factor that in.

The Bulls could win these following series ... Knicks 92/93, Orlando 96, Indiana 98, Jazz 98 ... but there's no guarantee that they would pull out all of those because Kobe is downgrade from Jordan IMO.

Jordan had a mental focus that I think really drove the Bulls through tougher times ... Kobe tries to imitate this but it sometimes comes off as phony, I don't ever get the sense his teammates fully buy into it either.

[NZStreetBaller]

Kobe's basically another version of Jordan in another era so yeah he would've done the same thing as MJ I recon. Same style of play same mental drive bla bla bla.


Im more interested in what MJ would do in Kobes career im sure he would've won the titles with Shaq. but once shaq left??? would MJ win a title without gasol ?

[poido123]

How about worrying about your team collapsing in the finals, before worrying about teams of the past. :hammerhead:

Enjoy getting spanked by the spurs you loser. :applause:

[Denitron]

Kobe ain't making that pass to Steve Kerr

:coleman:

[NZStreetBaller]

Kobe ain't making that pass to Steve Kerr

:coleman:

MJ aint scoring 81 :coleman:

[Poetry]

1st 3-peat

27-29 year old MJ: 31/6/6/3/1 on 58% TS

27-29 year old Kobe: 32/6/5/2/1 on 57% TS

2nd 3-peat

32-34 year old MJ: 30/6/4/2/1 on 56% TS

32-34 year old Kobe: 27/5/5/2 on 55% TS

The stats are similar, but mentally, were they both in the same place?

[NZStreetBaller]

The stats are similar, but mentally, were they both in the same place?

Hungry as hell trying to win a championship. :coleman: i would say yes

[jcsrplumply]

MJ aint scoring 81 :coleman:
:oldlol: :oldlol:

[Poetry]

Hungry as hell trying to win a championship. :coleman: i would say yes

But he was still trying to prove something to himself. I think 27/28-year-old Kobe still felt like he could do it on his own. He was still trying to get out from under Shaq's shadow.

I don't know how well that Kobe fits into a team that had evolved as Jordan evolved into a more selfless, trusting player.

I actually think an older Kobe fits into that first three-peat team a lot better.

I'm not saying he didn't have the same hunger and instinct and desire to win. But at that age, he was probably thinking of the game the way MJ was thinking about it at an earlier age.

And that was a result of Kobe playing with Shaq when he was younger.

I don't know if you remember, but the media was still criticizing Kobe for not having developed into a more selfless player during the years in which he was scoring like mad.

People would say, Jordan figured it out earlier in his career, etc.

So plugging in a player onto a team, just because they're the same age and they're producing at a similar rate, won't always produce the same results.

Mentally, they were in different places. Both had killer instincts, but they were winning in different ways.

[Asukal]

Every day we see agenda threads by these fakkit lecramp stans. Yet they have the audacity to call us "unbearable", "haters", "mythologists", "liars", etc. :oldlol:

Jordan living rent free in these young fakkits heads... :roll: :lol :banana:

[NZStreetBaller]

But he was still trying to prove something to himself. I think 27/28-year-old Kobe still felt like he could do it on his own. He was still trying to get out from under Shaq's shadow.

I don't know how well that Kobe fits into a team that had evolved as Jordan evolved into a more selfless, trusting player.

I actually think an older Kobe fits into that first three-peat team a lot better.

I'm not saying he didn't have the same hunger and instinct and desire to win. But at that age, he was probably thinking of the game the way MJ was thinking about it at an earlier age.

And that was a result of Kobe playing with Shaq when he was younger.

I don't know if you remember, but the media was still criticizing Kobe for not having developed into a more selfless player during the years in which he was scoring like mad.

People would say, Jordan figured it out earlier in his career, etc.

So plugging in a player onto a team, just because they're the same age and they're producing at a similar rate, won't always produce the same results.

Mentally, they were in different places. Both had killer instincts, but they were winning in different ways.

Its actually really hard to gauge considering the fact that they had two totally different.

I guess if you put MJ in Kobe's situation and give him shaq would MJ want to take a backseat to shaq I highly doubt it because it was easier for MJ to become more selfless based on the fact he was already considered the greatest player of his team.

now put Kobe in the Bulls (first championship year) where he wont have big prime dominant shaq in over shadowing him at a young age. i see Kobe at that point less likely to have to prove hes the man by ball dominating all the time. and given he has very similar skill set and killer instinct as Jordan he would have the same results.

The thing is Jordans career basically made Kobes skill what they are he mirror'd jordan for a reason. and had jordan never exsisted Kobe may have been happy with just 5 rings.

[T_L_P]

:wtf:

Those stats are closer than I originally thought.. Can you post their playoff numbers?

Jordan (27-29): 34/6/7/2/1

Kobe (27-29): 30/6/5/2/0

[BoutPractice]

Something like 3 or 4. The Bulls were a very good team, and Kobe is a superstar more than capable of leading a championship level team to the promised land, especially one made for the player he patterned his game after... but winning 6, with 2 three peats, is an almost superhuman feat.

Only a Jordan or Russell could do that, regardless of team or competition... unless you're dominating your opponents in blowouts (which they mostly weren't), people vastly underestimate the physical and mental strength required to go all the way pretty much every year. It's not just about "wanting it more", either. Kobe wants it more than anybody. It's about total self-discipline.

[ImKobe]

Kobe put up 30/6/6 for his 3 straight Finals runs in 08-10, of course he would win rings with the Bulls in MJ's place. Still has Phil, so we know he would succeed in that system. Kobe is a top 5-10 great.

[longtime lurker]

Wow Lebron stans are so fvcking pathetic. Now they're using Kobe to somehow discredit MJ. All this to draw attention away from Lebron's failures during the finals.

[STATUTORY]

The stats are similar, but mentally, were they both in the same place?
nah, one guy had no commitment to the game and took years off to play baseball and gamble professionally

I'll let you figure out which one is that

[guy]

Which version? If you put the best version of Kobe (06, 08?) sure they win 6, but that doesn't make much sense. With that said, there's no 8 year version of Kobe that wins 6 with the Bulls from 91-98.