Help excuse is old and pathetic

[Calabis]

So I keep hearing that Lebron is not getting enough help from his team offensively. Although other factors are present, I decided to just take a look at what kind of offensive help he has received from their main bananas. I then took Kobe 2010 and Jordan's 3peat.

Lebron: Wade, Bosh and Allen: 41.6 ppg on 51% FG

Kobe: Gasol, Peace and Fisher: 37.8 ppg on 41% FG

Jordan: Pippen, Kukoc and Rodman: 36.1 ppg on 41% FG -96
30.3 ppg on 36% FG -97
34 ppg on 46% FG -98

So Lebron is getting more offensive help on a higher percentage from his main cogs, but we are going to act like he has no help. Again no knock on him...just his stans...he is more than capable to put his mark on the game. I looked at his scoring and it amazes me how he will have a dominant quarter then won't do anything until the last minute of the next quarter. GM 3: 14 points in the first, then 2 in the 2nd, 2 in the 3rd and 4 in the 4th. He needs to shoot plain and simple, this series needs a epic game from him, not this stand around being passive crap.

[red1]

cmon son

[red1]

heat are losing because of ther COLLECTIVE defense. TEAM sport

[Calabis]

heat are losing because of ther COLLECTIVE defense. TEAM sport

Hence other factors....but lets quit acting like he is getting no help on offense. Also speaking about defense he may be the biggest liability this series besides Wade

[Rose'sACL]

what about defensive help and rebounding help?
Post the numbers kid.

[Micku]

heat are losing because of ther COLLECTIVE defense. TEAM sport

Pretty much. Their offense isn't a big problem apart from game 4. They are shooting 49.1% FG and shooting 42.9 from 3. They are only averaging 93 points in the Finals tho.

The Spurs are just picking them apart offensively. They are shooting them out of the building. The Heat gott'a step up defensively, but it might be too late. They are also missing rebounding opportunties, but the Heat should be used to it. But they are still allowing the Spurs to shoot 54.2% FG and 46.7% from 3. You aren't likely to win a game if the Spurs shoot like that.

[Rose'sACL]

Hence other factors....but lets quit acting like he is getting no help on offense. Also speaking about defense he may be the biggest liability this series besides Wade
no , he isn't. Heat having no rim protector with a lot of slow players is the problem. He can't stay close to the player he is guarding because he knows he would have to help.
He is the only guy on heat who has shut down ginobili and parker completely when he was on them.

[PJR]

This on going circle jerk of players stans and detractors a like is so pathetic.

Why can't all you morons realize that Basketball is a team game?

One idiot says, "LeBron has no help!!!"

Then another idiot says, "Yes he does! He's just a choker! He's no MJ!!"

Lol shut the **** up.

[played0ut]

The problem with him forcing the game offensively is that it's against his fundamental playing style.


He would absolutely excel with a non-ball dominant scorer. Like a James Worthy.

[Marchesk]

heat are losing because of ther COLLECTIVE defense. TEAM sport

Melo and Love should help with that next season.

[red1]

Hence other factors....but lets quit acting like he is getting no help on offense. Also speaking about defense he may be the biggest liability this series besides Wade
Except that isnt true at all. Tell me what team you support so I can understand where you are coming from

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I was led to believe Bron was a one-man wrecking crew.

The Miami Cavaliers doe :confusedshrug:

[HOoopCityJones]

So I keep hearing that Lebron is not getting enough help from his team offensively. Although other factors are present, I decided to just take a look at what kind of offensive help he has received from their main bananas. I then took Kobe 2010 and Jordan's 3peat.

Lebron: Wade, Bosh and Allen: 41.6 ppg on 51% FG

Kobe: Gasol, Peace and Fisher: 37.8 ppg on 41% FG

Jordan: Pippen, Kukoc and Rodman: 36.1 ppg on 41% FG -96
30.3 ppg on 36% FG -97
34 ppg on 46% FG -98

So Lebron is getting more offensive help on a higher percentage from his main cogs, but we are going to act like he has no help. Again no knock on him...just his stans...he is more than capable to put his mark on the game. I looked at his scoring and it amazes me how he will have a dominant quarter then won't do anything until the last minute of the next quarter. GM 3: 14 points in the first, then 2 in the 2nd, 2 in the 3rd and 4 in the 4th. He needs to shoot plain and simple, this series needs a epic game from him, not this stand around being passive crap.

:applause:

LOL @ the "Raptor fan" being the saltiest one in the thread. :roll:

[red1]

:applause:

LOL @ the "Raptor fan" being the saltiest one in the thread. :roll:
how am I salty? telling the truth is being salty? :confusedshrug:

[Calabis]

This on going circle jerk of players stans and detractors a like is so pathetic.

Why can't all you morons realize that Basketball is a team game?

One idiot says, "LeBron has no help!!!"

Then another idiot says, "Yes he does! He's just a choker! He's no MJ!!"

Lol shut the **** up.

The point of this thread is that he is getting enough help on the offensive end. His 17 shots a game are not enough to impact the game like he could be if he took like 25. The only time he did he forced Green and Leonard to guard him...guess what they both got into foul trouble...guess what? They had to sit out, which no longer makes them available on offense, which also gets them out of sync, which also impacts the Spurs offense.

[Calabis]

Except that isnt true at all. Tell me what team you support so I can understand where you are coming from

Bulls and LeBron is my favorite guy to watch with Rose being a broke dick. He needs to become more aggressive on offense plain and simple.

[HOoopCityJones]

how am I salty? telling the truth is being salty? :confusedshrug:


you mad bruh.

He's clearly speaking from an offensive standpoint yet you're so mad you wanna bring up shit like defense and other bullshit to throw off the fact he's actually making a solid point.

Anyone who's watching this series knows the ENTIRE Heat squad has been ass on Defense, but as far as this "Lebron needs more help" shit, gimmie a break.

What the ***** ***** need to do is take over.

[mehyaM24]

:applause:

LOL @ the "Raptor fan" being the saltiest one in the thread. :roll:

emphasis on the quotations. that shithead is far from a raptors fan

hey phoenix18 aka powerglove, its ok, you can come outta the closet. you look like a bitch just mercilessly defending lebron & wade in every thread. :oldlol:

[red1]

Bulls and LeBron is my favorite guy to watch with Rose being a broke dick. He needs to become more aggressive on offense plain and simple.
You see, this is a reasonable statement. Saying that his teammates are playing up to their par and ignoring the defensive aspect is not.

[Rose'sACL]

you mad bruh.

He's clearly speaking from an offensive standpoint yet you're so mad you wanna bring up shit like defense and other bullshit to throw off the fact he's actually making a solid point.

Anyone who's watching this series knows the ENTIRE Heat squad has been ass on Defense, but as far as this "Lebron needs more help" shit, gimmie a break.

What the ***** ***** need to do is take over.
i hope he scores 50 on 45% shooting in game 5 and heat loses so that you guys can stop posting this bullshit. I used 45% because kobe normally shoots worse than that in the finals.

[ArbitraryWater]

Now talk about the bulls defense please....



And why did you even include Peace and Fisher to make the stats worse?


This is a horrible, horrible OP...

[red1]

you mad bruh.

He's clearly speaking from an offensive standpoint yet you're so mad you wanna bring up shit like defense and other bullshit to throw off the fact he's actually making a solid point.

Anyone who's watching this series knows the ENTIRE Heat squad has been ass on Defense, but as far as this "Lebron needs more help" shit, gimmie a break.

What the ***** ***** need to do is take over.
Im not mad at all bro. It sucks seeing my guy wade decline like this but that's just a fact of all athletic competition and a fact of life. Being a raptor fan for so many years makes me nearly immune to salt and especially for another team I dont care for. Heat fans are trash, I'll be the first to say it. With that said, you are in the wrong when you think purely with your biased and reductionist thinking claiming the heat as a team aren't defending very poorly. Show me one post where I said lebron needs more help? That's right, you won't find it.


emphasis on the quotations. that shithead is far from a raptors fan

hey phoenix18 aka powerglove, its ok, you can come outta the closet. you look like a bitch just mercilessly defending lebron & wade in every thread. :oldlol:
What? I've seen crackheads that make more sense than you.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

You see, this is a reasonable statement. Saying that his teammates are playing up to their par and ignoring the defensive aspect is not.

Lebron's defense hasn't been all that great either.. Dude is making Kawhi look like a superstar :oldlol:

[Calabis]

You see, this is a reasonable statement. Saying that his teammates are playing up to their par and ignoring the defensive aspect is not.

Ignoring what? Again I responded to his stans that said he is not getting help offensively. Why are u making it so hard on urself.

[mehyaM24]

What? I've seen crackheads that make more sense than you.

quit being a little bitch and admit who you are. its repulsive that you wear that avy yet defend lebron and wade every chance u can get.

fraud

[Calabis]

Now talk about the bulls defense please....



And why did you even include Peace and Fisher to make the stats worse?


This is a horrible, horrible OP...

Lol those were Kobe main cogs and his 3 leading scorers...u can't be this foolish.

[ArbitraryWater]

Lol those were Kobe main cogs and his 3 leading scorers...u can't be this foolish.

No... Gasol/Odom were, and then Bynum off the bench.

[Calabis]

i hope he scores 50 on 45% shooting in game 5 and heat loses so that you guys can stop posting this bullshit. I used 45% because kobe normally shoots worse than that in the finals.

He doesn't need 50, he needs to stay aggressive on offense and become a steady, viable offensive threat....again he did this in GM 2 and both Green and Leonard got into foul trouble which put them on the bench....but I guess that doesn't hurt the Spurs on offense with their two young weapons on the bench.

[HOoopCityJones]

i hope he scores 50 on 45% shooting in game 5 and heat loses so that you guys can stop posting this bullshit. I used 45% because kobe normally shoots worse than that in the finals.

I hope so too, then I can see the supposed true successor to Jordan stop playing like a bitch. :confusedshrug:

[red1]

Ignoring what? Again I responded to his stans that said he is not getting help offensively. Why are u making it so hard on urself.
Fair enough. Your title implies that his team is playing well enough to win and I am simply pointing out that they are all playing sub-par defense collectively, hence the reason why they are losing.

[Rose'sACL]

Wade + bosh rebounds : 8.8 RPG
Pippen+ rodman rebounds : 23 RPG
It is common knowledge by now that heat doesn't like chucking because they are poor re-bounders. Rebounding helps a lot.
I am not even bringing defense into this.

[Calabis]

No... Gasol/Odom were, and then Bynum off the bench.

Ok take away Fisher 8.6 ppg and add either Odom 7.6 or Bynum 7.4ppg thats one whole less PPG from Kobe's main cogs:oldlol:

[red1]

quit being a little bitch and admit who you are. its repulsive that you wear that avy yet defend lebron and wade every chance u can get.

fraud
Just because I constantly disagree and point out the retarded shit you post doesnt mean that I am another poster. Perhaps they made the same observations about your lack of common sense?

[Calabis]

Fair enough. Your title implies that his team is playing well enough to win and I am simply pointing out that they are all playing sub-par defense collectively, hence the reason why they are losing.

I picked the Spurs to win the series, just due to depth. I just didnt expect the Heat to play this poor. Again this is a response to his stans about offensive help.

[Rose'sACL]

I hope so too, then I can see the supposed true successor to Jordan stop playing like a bitch. :confusedshrug:
he would lose if he scored 50 on 45% against current spurs because they can't rebound well and spurs are super efficient on offense. Jordan and Kobe never had this problem of being out rebounded by 20.
I know you are an idiot but c'mon, think before you post.

[pegasus]

Fair enough. Your title implies that his team is playing well enough to win and I am simply pointing out that they are all playing sub-par defense collectively, hence the reason why they are losing.
Do you admit that he's not playing well offensively even though he's got good numbers? Exploding in 1 quarter and not doing anything in the other quarters won't cut it in the Finals. And defensively they've all been sucking, but Lebron had the biggest drop off.

[Calabis]

Wade + bosh rebounds : 8.8 RPG
Pippen+ rodman rebounds : 23 RPG
It is common knowledge by now that heat doesn't like chucking because they are poor re-bounders. Rebounding helps a lot.
I am not even bringing defense into this.

And the Bulls were a dominant defensive team...what that have to do with offensive help Lebron apparently is getting?

[ArbitraryWater]

Ok take away Fisher 8.6 ppg and add either Odom 7.6 or Bynum 7.4ppg thats one whole less PPG from Kobe's main cogs:oldlol:

Thats the mistake you're doing, you focus on ppg..... Besides Bosh/Odom heavily underperfoming, you get garbage from everyone else.
Odom/Gasol are highly skilled and the 2 best players after Kobe, you know that and so do I... Then you get others to chip in as well.

Really all that matters is Bosh/Wade production in the finals.

14/5 for Bosh
16/3 for Wade
.... These are LeBron's 2 next best players.

Then you have Chalmers with a NEGATIVE PER, (Topping Hibbert), Cole/Battier/Haslem/etc garbage... Only bright light has been Lewis here and there.

Wade last game: 4 points on 1-11 through 3 quarters... game was over

thats his "2nd best player"/help guy

[Rose'sACL]

And the Bulls were a dominant defensive team...what that have to do with offensive help Lebron apparently is getting?
what? everyone knows that defense creates a lot of easy shots for heat. Rebounding is a big help when the other team is locking up your ball movement and you have to chuck. you just can't chuck knowing that if you miss, you have pretty much no chance of getting an offensive rebound.

[ArbitraryWater]

Could people watch the games?

Bron has been solid on Kawhi, but good players will get theirs... Hes just been amazing offensively.

This isnt Kobe hiding out on Rondo on defense in the finals..

[mehyaM24]

Just because I constantly disagree and point out the retarded shit you post doesnt mean that I am another poster. Perhaps they made the same observations about your lack of common sense?

i dont care if you disagree with me. my opinions are not popular...ill admit...but at least i have the stones to state my opinion with ONE account. not hide behind a team like a trick...just to sound "objective".

atljones, phoenix18, powerglove, just2mcfly, moe94 and red1...am i missing any accounts?

[J Shuttlesworth]

Its been mostly defense that's their problem but there's no way to blame Bron for Wade and Chalmers severely underperforming

[HOoopCityJones]

he would lose if he scored 50 on 45% against current spurs because they can't rebound well and spurs are super efficient on offense. Jordan and Kobe never had this problem of being out rebounded by 20.
I know you are an idiot but c'mon, think before you post.

Says the idiots who keep bringing up Defense in a thread referring specifically to help on the Offensive end. :lol

[red1]

Do you admit that he's not playing well offensively even though he's got good numbers? Exploding in 1 quarter and not doing anything in the other quarters won't cut it in the Finals. And defensively they've all been sucking, but Lebron had the biggest drop off.
I agree that he can and should be more aggressive if they expect to make this series respectable and I am sure we will see that on sunday. However, that is secondary. The PRIMARY thing the heat need to focus on is their defense because their offense is not the reason why they are losing. They need to stop gambling and stick to their man and avoid getting beat making sharp rotations like their lives depend on it. They are giving the role-players way too much confidence with all of the clean looks they are getting and spurs are killing them with it.

[red1]

i dont care if you disagree with me. my opinions are not popular...ill admit...but at least i have the stones to state my opinion with ONE account. not hide behind a team like a trick...just to sound "objective".

atljones, phoenix18, powerglove, just2mcfly, moe94 and red1...am i missing any accounts?
Never had one gimmick account nor have I posted under another account. Never will. You see my friend, there is this certain thing called life that prevents me from having the time to do all of that shit. Heck I already feel like I am posting too much as is.

[Rose'sACL]

Says the idiots who keep bringing up Defense in a thread referring specifically to help on the Offensive end. :lol
says the idiot who thinks that lebron scoring 50 on 45% will actually help his team against spurs who are shooting 60+ TS% in this series.

[Calabis]

what? everyone knows that defense creates a lot of easy shots for heat. Rebounding is a big help when the other team is locking up your ball movement and you have to chuck. you just can't chuck knowing that if you miss, you have pretty much no chance of getting an offensive rebound.

So as long as its ur opinion its ok...yet you fail to acknowledge the only game the Heat won is the game LeBron took over 17 shots....he also provided a steady dose of offense and caused two key players for the Spurs to sit with foul trouble. GREEN AND LEONARD....stuggled on offense and were out of sync.....so defense creates easy shots....yup it does, but offense can change a game and force an opponent defense to shift its philosophy....it also can get two key players into foul trouble, which makes them become less a factor during the game.

[atljonesbro]

Do you admit that he's not playing well offensively even though he's got good numbers? Exploding in 1 quarter and not doing anything in the other quarters won't cut it in the Finals. And defensively they've all been sucking, but Lebron had the biggest drop off.
Holy shit this guy and OP expect LeBron to average 50 a game on 90%. LeBron haters are absurd, they reach so far just to bring him down.

[Calabis]

Holy shit this guy and OP expect LeBron to average 50 a game on 90%. LeBron haters are absurd, they reach so far just to bring him down.

Nope would like to see him shoot more than 17 times per game and just be more aggressive on offense...ala game 2

[atljonesbro]

Says the idiots who keep bringing up Defense in a thread referring specifically to help on the Offensive end. :lol
This thread is about LeBrons help. You know defense is a part of that too right? You're posts are literally some of the dumbest I've seen on this forum. It's crazy how desperate you are be being LeBron down.

[mehyaM24]

Never had one gimmick account nor have I posted under another account. Never will. You see my friend, there is this certain thing called life that prevents me from having the time to do all of that shit. Heck I already feel like I am posting too much as is.

ok guy :oldlol:

ive been posting on ish on and off four 5 years now...just as long as you....we both know your posting style and the similarities all these accounts share (raptors fans + wade/lebron homers).

anyone whos been on this forum long enough....can validate this too.

quit denying it already...its making us TRUE lebron fans look bad

[Legends66NBA7]

I'm giving more credit to the Spurs if anything. The offense they have been running is just beautiful. It's pretty clear that the Heat defense has lost a step. It doesn't matter how much the Heat can score (which they can clearly be capable of), if they can't stop the Spurs.

ORTG/DRTG = NetRtg for the Spurs in the 4 games:

Game 1: 119.5/103.2 = +16.3
Game 2: 110.1/112.4 = -2.3
Game 3: 131/108.5 = +22.5
Game 4: 127.6/102.5 = +25.1

Average: 122.1/106.7 = +15.4

Just looking at the team evidence, the Spurs defense hasn't even been great this series. It's just their well run offense.

Maybe the Heat can clamp down ? I don't know, I can't see it. The best win they got was by 1 possession. Infact, the entire series spanning the last 2 Finals between Miami and San Antonio, 7 of the 11 series have been decided by 10+ points, 6 of them clear blowouts.


:applause:

LOL @ the "Raptor fan" being the saltiest one in the thread. :roll:

I was unaware Raptor fans were not allowed to discuss anything but the Raptors.

What exactly is he saying that's "salty" ?

[HOoopCityJones]

says the idiot who thinks that lebron scoring 50 on 45% will actually help his team against spurs who are shooting 60+ TS% in this series.

Lebron stan logic:

If your Team is getting blown out, don't try to put forward some effort and go for 50, because you wouldn't want an ugly FG% by the Game's end.

Lebron's taught you well :lol

[Rose'sACL]

So as long as its ur opinion its ok...yet you fail to acknowledge the only game the Heat won is the game LeBron took over 17 shots....he also provided a steady dose of offense and caused two key players for the Spurs to sit with foul trouble. GREEN AND LEONARD....stuggled on offense and were out of sync.....so defense creates easy shots....yup it does, but offense can change a game and force an opponent defense to shift its philosophy....it also can get two key players into foul trouble, which makes them become less a factor during the game.
lebron would have taken over 17 shots in game 1 if he didn't have cramps, and in game 4 if it wasn't a sure shot loss by the time 4th quarter arrived.
Do you even watch the games?

[HOoopCityJones]

I
What exactly is he saying that's "salty" ?

I don't see why I have to explain anything. :confusedshrug:

[red1]

ok guy :oldlol:

ive been posting on ish on and off four 5 years now...just as long as you....we both know your posting style and the similarities all these accounts share (raptors fans + wade/lebron homers).

anyone whos been on this forum long enough....can validate this too.

quit denying it already...its making us TRUE lebron fans look bad



i dont care if you disagree with me. my opinions are not popular...ill admit...but at least i have the stones to state my opinion with ONE account. not hide behind a team like a trick...just to sound "objective".

atljones, phoenix18, moe94 and red1...am i missing any accounts?
You really think I am all of these posters? This is why I compare you to a crackhead. Trust me you are wrong on this one, just let it go. This is my only account and I have never posted under a different one. And why do you care so much anyways. Shit is unsettling to me.

[atljonesbro]

Lebron stan logic:

If your Team is getting blown out, don't try to put forward some effort and go for 50, because you wouldn't want an ugly FG% by the Game's end.

Lebron's taught you well :lol
Kobe Stan logic:

6-24 doe day killer instinct doe he wanna win so bad doe. Bad shots = killer instinct.

[Legends66NBA7]

I don't see why I have to explain anything. :confusedshrug:

Why are you quoting "Raptor fan" then ?

[HOoopCityJones]

Why are you quoting "Raptor fan" then ?

:sleeping

[HOoopCityJones]

Kobe Stan logic:

6-24 doe day killer instinct doe he wanna win so bad doe. Bad shots = killer instinct.

:pimp: Still won a ring.

Grabbed 15 boards.

He showed effort even though he was having one of the worst games of his career. What would Lebron do? Quit.

Don't wanna **** up that FG% :banana:

[red1]

I was unaware Raptor fans were not allowed to discuss anything but the Raptors.

What exactly is he saying that's "salty" ?
:cheers:

[atljonesbro]

i dont care if you disagree with me. my opinions are not popular...ill admit...but at least i have the stones to state my opinion with ONE account. not hide behind a team like a trick...just to sound "objective".

atljones, phoenix18, powerglove, just2mcfly, moe94 and red1...am i missing any accounts?
:biggums:

You really that mad and accuse everyone who doesn't agree with to as being the same account?

[HOoopCityJones]

:cheers:

So that's your alt. Got it.

[Legends66NBA7]

:sleeping

Cool, I'll take that as you were typing out of your ass.

[Rose'sACL]

Lebron stan logic:

If your Team is getting blown out, don't try to put forward some effort and go for 50, because you wouldn't want an ugly FG% by the Game's end.

Lebron's taught you well :lol
what? he tried to do that in the 3rd quarter. i blame him for not being agreesive scoring wise in first 2 quarters but how can you blame him for not scoring in the 4th when game was over. He chucked a couple of threes and they didn't go in. You can't do much when you would have to scored 40+ in fourth while holding the other team for 15 points just to tie the game. Spurs offense is the problem. in game 3 and 4, heat were fine offensively through first 3 quarters, it is spurs offense that deflated them. heat kept scoring and lead was still in double digits.
Heat's defense is the problem. if heat could hold spurs under 100 points then that would be a big victory for them. Holding them under 90 points was heat's goal last year. That just goes to show you how much heat's defense has deteriorated in an year.

[red1]

So that's your alt. Got it.
you joining mehyam's crackhead crew?

[HOoopCityJones]

you joining mehyam's crackhead crew?




atljones, phoenix18, powerglove, just2mcfly, moe94 and red1...am i missing any accounts?

Think you should add the Legends guy.

To be fair I'm looking forward to the Gotham series too!

[mehyaM24]

You really think I am all of these posters? This is why I compare you to a crackhead. Trust me you are wrong on this one, just let it go. This is my only account and I have never posted under a different one. And why do you care so much anyways. Shit is unsettling to me.

i do and you ARE....

your posting style couldnt be more obvious. a few of those accounts arent active anymore, except moe94/just2mcfly/atljonesbro (the latter have low post counts...they're alts).

if im a crackhead then you're a complete loony toon with a borderline personality disorder.

[atljonesbro]

Think you should add the Legends guy too.

To be fair I'm looking forward to the Gotham series too!
LeBron haters are really on their last leg resorting to this :roll:

[Calabis]

lebron would have taken over 17 shots in game 1 if he didn't have cramps, and in game 4 if it wasn't a sure shot loss by the time 4th quarter arrived.
Do you even watch the games?

Uhh Heat probably would have won if he didnt get cramps...why are u bringing up a game he didnt finish?

[red1]

sure-fire proof that you have no clue what you are talking about and are desperately back-pedaling:

start accusing everyone of being an alternate account

[mehyaM24]

Think you should add the Legends guy.

To be fair I'm looking forward to the Gotham series too!

legends is a good poster. good guy too. he is NOT any of those weirdos (one and the same)

[HOoopCityJones]

what? he tried to do that in the 3rd quarter. i blame him for not being agreesive scoring wise in first 2 quarters but how can you blame him for not scoring in the 4th when game was over. He chucked a couple of threes and they didn't go in. You can't do much when you would have to scored 40+ in fourth while holding the other team for 15 points just to tie the game. Spurs offense is the problem. in game 3 and 4, heat were fine offensively through first 3 quarters, it is spurs offense that deflated them. heat kept scoring and lead was still in double digits.
Heat's defense is the problem. if heat could hold spurs under 100 points then that would be a big victory for them. Holding them under 90 points was heat's goal last year. That just goes to show you how much heat's defense has deteriorated in an year.

:applause: Protect your husband, with all your might.

Look this is the one thing you guys can't fabricate , there's no numbers, no percentages just flat out effort and the guy takes too many Quarters off for the GOAT.

If you can't be stopped, your entire Team is struggling Offensively. Why not shoot the damn ball? :biggums:

[ArbitraryWater]

Thats the mistake you're doing, you focus on ppg..... Besides Bosh/Odom heavily underperfoming, you get garbage from everyone else.
Odom/Gasol are highly skilled and the 2 best players after Kobe, you know that and so do I... Then you get others to chip in as well.

Really all that matters is Bosh/Wade production in the finals.

14/5 for Bosh
16/3 for Wade
.... These are LeBron's 2 next best players.

Then you have Chalmers with a NEGATIVE PER, (Topping Hibbert), Cole/Battier/Haslem/etc garbage... Only bright light has been Lewis here and there.

Wade last game: 4 points on 1-11 through 3 quarters... game was over

thats his "2nd best player"/help guy

still not adressed...

[Rose'sACL]

Uhh Heat probably would have won if he didnt get cramps...why are u bringing up a game he didnt finish?
you did. also, i never said that heat would have won if lebron was in the game. May be they lose by 5 instead of 15 in game 1 but i wouldn't be so sure that heat would have won. it was a pretty tight game when he first got out at 7 mins mark and then we got hot from 3. given how we have continued to torch heat from 3, even contested threes, i am sure we would have won game 1 at least a 3-5 points even with lebron in the game.

[Legends66NBA7]

Think you should add the Legends guy.

To be fair I'm looking forward to the Gotham series too!

Nobody's alt.

Same here, Ben McKenzie looks like he bought into the role of James Gordon pretty well.

[HOoopCityJones]

sure-fire proof that you have no clue what you are talking about and are desperately back-pedaling:

start accusing everyone of being an alternate account

Well, the guy seems alittle too interested in what I'm saying to you.

Sorry if I'm wrong, but I don't see how any discussion between me and you is his business. I don't have to explain myself to someone who I wasn't even talking to. You know why I quoted you and that's all that matters, and even then one simple read through will reveal all to the hungry attention seekers.

[atljonesbro]

legends is a good poster. good guy too. he is NOT any of those weirdos (one and the same)
Lol insinuating you're a good poster when you start accusing people a alts when something doesn't go your way

[HOoopCityJones]

Nobody's alt.

Same here, Ben McKenzie looks like he bought into the role of James Gordon pretty well.

Yea , sorry just didn't see the point in explaining why I'm on Red's head.

Yea man! just really wish he at least had some peach fuzz or some specs. Do you watch Arrow as well?

[red1]

Yea , sorry just didn't see the point in explaining why I'm on Red's head.

Yea man! just really wish he at least had some peach fuzz or some specs. Do you watch Arrow as well?
:milton

[Rose'sACL]

:applause: Protect your husband, with all your might.

Look this is the one thing you guys can't fabricate , there's no numbers, no percentages just flat out effort and the guy takes too many Quarters off for the GOAT.

If you can't be stopped, your entire Team is struggling Offensively. Why not shoot the damn ball? :biggums:
when was heat stuggling offensively. They would have had 95+ in all games if game wasn't a blowout. they would still have lost because of their defense.
The only game heat have won is the one where they held spurs to under 100 points.

[HOoopCityJones]

:milton

:roll: :applause: Touche

[Legends66NBA7]

Yea , sorry just didn't see the point in explaining why I'm on Red's head.

Yea man! just really wish he at least had some peach fuzz or some specs. Do you watch Arrow as well?

Whenever it's on, I catch it. My friend as the series on his Netflix, so if I'm over I check it out. I'm done with the first series. My favourite episode is with the apperance of the Royal Flush Gang. They are also a Batman villain faction.

[mehyaM24]

Lol insinuating you're a good poster when you start accusing people a alts when something doesn't go your way

i dont care whether im labeled a good or bad poster....especially by a psychopath like you.

you a hawks or raptors fan today? mental midget :oldlol:

[red1]

:roll: :applause: Touche
:lol


i dont care whether im labeled a good or bad poster....especially by a psychopath like you.

you hawks fan or raptors fan today? mental midget :oldlol:
you are starting to reach lakersreign territory now...

[atljonesbro]

i dont care whether im labeled a good or bad poster....especially by a psychopath like you.

you a hawks or raptors fan today? mental midget :oldlol:
I think you're he one who's a psychopath :lol

[mehyaM24]

:lol


you are starting to reach lakersreign territory now...

you and him belong in a padded cell together

[HOoopCityJones]

Whenever it's on, I catch it. My friend as the series on his Netflix, so if I'm over I check it out. I'm done with the first series. My favourite episode is with the apperance of the Royal Flush Gang. They are also a Batman villain faction.

Yea, I think my only beef with Arrow is how much they bite from the Nolan Trilogy. Season two is way better btw. Some pretty great ComicBook adaptations coming to Tv, including what looks to be a faithful adaptation of Constantine. We're kinda in this CBM Renaissance currently and I'm just lovin it.

I know you saw Affleck in the Batsuit already?

[HurricaneKid]

Hence other factors....but lets quit acting like he is getting no help on offense. Also speaking about defense he may be the biggest liability this series besides Wade

Thank you. You have essentially purchased a dunce cap and announced your idiocy for everyone to see. Usually I would need to see a bunch of posts to tell if someone was worthless as a poster. You have allowed me to bypass all that extra time and energy.

[red1]

you and him belong in a padded cell together
crackhead type accusing others of insanity. this smiley has never been more appropriate :biggums:

[Legends66NBA7]

Yea, I think my only beef with Arrow is how much they bite from the Nolan Trilogy. Season two is way better btw. Some pretty great ComicBook adaptations coming to Tv, including what looks to be a faithful adaptation of Constantine. We're kinda in this CBM Renaissance currently and I'm just lovin it.

I know you saw Affleck in the Batsuit already?

The Nolan series is pretty influential to the comic book movies/TV series. You can see that a lot of them are trying to become darker and realistic in tone. X-Men is the only franchise I've seen that hasn't rebooted and still maintains a dark tone (Days of Future Past was great, the Sentinels were badass). Constantine would be cool, would make me some what forget about the Keanu Reeves movie.

Affleck suits looks cool, looks like their aiming for an older Batman.

[mehyaM24]

crackhead type accusing others of insanity. this smiley has never been more appropriate :biggums:

im not accusing anyone of anything....these are all facts. enjoy talking to yourself though


:crazysam:

[Legends66NBA7]

By the way OP, my bad for the off topic theme in this thread. Here's my original post on topic:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10148533&postcount=52

[red1]

im not accusing anyone of anything....these are all facts. enjoy talking to yourself though


:crazysam:
:kobe: keep this shit up and I will f*ck your mother sooner or later

[HOoopCityJones]

The Nolan series is pretty influential to the comic book movies/TV series. You can see that a lot of them are trying to become darker and realistic in tone. X-Men is the only franchise I've seen that hasn't rebooted and still maintains a dark tone (Days of Future Past was great, the Sentinels were badass). Constantine would be cool, would make me some what forget about the Keanu Reeves movie.

Affleck suits looks cool, looks like their aiming for an older Batman.

Days Of Future Past was a pleasant surprise , I never expected it to be THAT great and I'm glad they kinda did a soft reboot with the timey wimey stuff, was glad to see Jean and Scott again. Yea I get keeping the dark gritty realism of Nolan's Trilogy , he basically gave them a tone to work with opposite of Marvel's. I like both Companies , I'm not really a stan about it either way, but I can't wait to see what DC does with their Universe. Affleck looks like a legit Batman from the cartoon or comics, 6'4 broad shouldered monster. Kinda Arkham Asylum tbh, with a Dark Knight Returns bat symbol.

[mehyaM24]

:kobe: keep this shit up and I will f*ck your mother sooner or later

is that moe94 or just2mcfly talking? :oldlol:

[HOoopCityJones]

By the way OP, my bad for the off topic theme in this thread. Here's my original post on topic:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10148533&postcount=52

Yea me too, lol :(

[red1]

is that moe94 or just2mcfly talking? :oldlol:
is that what you want? you looking for a father-figure in your life?

[mehyaM24]

is that what you want? you looking for a father-figure in your life?

this is def moe. waddup brah. had no idea i could control your alter-egos just by posting a few words...:oldlol:

[red1]

this is def moe. waddup brah. had no idea i could control your alter-egos just by posting a few words...:oldlol:
at this rate I will have to f*ck your sister too

[inclinerator]

it was never about the offensive end

[mehyaM24]

at this rate I will have to f*ck your sister too

moe...we've gone through this already. internet porn, your hand and a bottle of lotion.....isnt having sex with a female

take your meds

[red1]

moe...we've gone through this already. internet porn, your hand and a bottle of lotion.....isnt having sex with a female

take your meds
ok thats enough. we're done here your grandmother is next

[mehyaM24]

i have to go now moe....

tell poweglove no blowup dolls either.....throwing fake parties in "toronto" isnt healthy for his progression.

[sdot_thadon]

It is mainly about defense. I know this stat can be skewed by team actions but lebron and birdman are tied for the best drtg on the heat, which is worse than the entire spurs roster lol. Conversely Dwade has a worse ortg than the entire spurs roster. Ouch

[Dresta]

still not adressed...
Here, i'll address it for you: that was a single game, and you cannot justify an assertion based on a single game. Bron had plenty of help in games 1,2 and 3; Miami lost game 1 because Bron bowed out, won game 2, and had cut the lead down to 7 in game 3 with Bron on the bench, only for him to return, play ballstopper, and turn the ball over 4+ en route to a loss.

Only in game 4 is the 'Bron had no help' excuse valid at all, but Miami were already 2-1 at this point, and had been blown out twice. Miami's excellent ball-movement has disappeared, leading to lots of turnovers and easy baskets for SA. They (as a team) are playing poorly on both ends, and Lebron is included in that despite the scoring efficiency (how many assists does he have; how many turnovers?). Both of Miami's premier playmakers are averaging more TO's than steals - they look like OKC out there right now the way they are playing offensively.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

the Heats starting PG has hit 3mshots the entire series so far, Wade , a supposed second option is playing like shit on offense and defense and has a 10 inch vert left and Bosh is shit on defense and inconsistent on offense.
but yeah lebron averaging 28 on 57% is clearly the problem here
clearly:facepalm

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Here, i'll address it for you: that was a single game, and you cannot justify an assertion based on a single game. Bron had plenty of help in games 1,2 and 3; Miami lost game 1 because Bron bowed out, won game 2, and had cut the lead down to 7 in game 3 with Bron on the bench, only for him to return, play ballstopper, and turn the ball over 4+ en route to a loss.

Only in game 4 is the 'Bron had no help' excuse valid at all, but Miami were already 2-1 at this point, and had been blown out twice. Miami's excellent ball-movement has disappeared, leading to lots of turnovers and easy baskets for SA. They (as a team) are playing poorly on both ends, and Lebron is included in that despite the scoring efficiency (how many assists does he have; how many turnovers?). Both of Miami's premier playmakers are averaging more TO's than steals - they look like OKC out there right now the way they are playing offensively.
why cant you just piss off?:confusedshrug:

[DJ Leon Smith]

heat are losing because of ther COLLECTIVE defense. TEAM sport

Maybe if LeBron, the all-world defensive player and leader of the team, blocked more shots than Jeremy Lin this season the Heat would be better on D.

(And yes I know LeBron and Lin didn't play the same amount of games this past season - Lin played less.)

[red1]

Maybe if LeBron, the all-world defensive player and leader of the team, blocked more shots than Jeremy Lin this season the Heat would be better on D.

(And yes I know LeBron and Lin didn't play the same amount of games this past season - Lin played less.)
bro

[veilside23]

the Heats starting PG has hit 3mshots the entire series so far, Wade , a supposed second option is playing like shit on offense and defense and has a 10 inch vert left and Bosh is shit on defense and inconsistent on offense.
but yeah lebron averaging 28 on 57% is clearly the problem here
clearly:facepalm


how much of his ppg and FG improve after the regular season ? :rolleyes:

[ArbitraryWater]

Here, i'll address it for you: that was a single game, and you cannot justify an assertion based on a single game. Bron had plenty of help in games 1,2 and 3; Miami lost game 1 because Bron bowed out, won game 2, and had cut the lead down to 7 in game 3 with Bron on the bench, only for him to return, play ballstopper, and turn the ball over 4+ en route to a loss.

Only in game 4 is the 'Bron had no help' excuse valid at all, but Miami were already 2-1 at this point, and had been blown out twice. Miami's excellent ball-movement has disappeared, leading to lots of turnovers and easy baskets for SA. They (as a team) are playing poorly on both ends, and Lebron is included in that despite the scoring efficiency (how many assists does he have; how many turnovers?). Both of Miami's premier playmakers are averaging more TO's than steals - they look like OKC out there right now the way they are playing offensively.

stopped reading there...

Heat were dismantled once LeBron left the court in the 4th
And in Game 2 I wondered if LeBron would have enough to carry them over...

Lol at Game 3

[Dresta]

why cant you just piss off?:confusedshrug:
Why can't you understand anything about basketball that doesn't revolve around your obsession with Lebron James? Why can't you see anything not through the ridicuolous and myopic lens of Lebron obsession? Why can't you understand that bball is a team sport, and that Miami's offense cannot be good enough when its primary playmaker (Lebron) and secondary playmaker (Wade) are averaging more turnovers than assists? Miami's offense is predicated around these two being dynamic as passers and scorers, and SA's disruptive defense has prevented Miami's offense from getting any rhythm, turning the game into a series of ineffective isos that often result in bail out passes and bad shots for teammates.

Then, on defense, Miami has been obliterated by the Spurs' great ball-movement, and Miami's inability to protect the rim and block shots, and its growing inability, due to age and fatigue, to recover out to 3 point shooters. Lebron is also at fault here: his defense has been sub-par all season, and he picks his spots on defense as much as anyone.

SA often has 5 guys that can create their own shot and pass the ball, and an aging Miami team cannot keep up against a deep and rested team. Miami, as a TEAM, cannot compete with them right now, and SA have clearly shown their superiority as a team.

[Dresta]

stopped reading there...

Heat were dismantled once LeBron left the court in the 4th
And in Game 2 I wondered if LeBron would have enough to carry them over...

Lol at Game 3
A team lost when their best player left the court at the end of the game? Big surprise that. Lebron's teammates were all playing well until he had to leave the game with cramp. How are they at fault for him getting cramp? Who was his replacement? That is a big drop-off to deal with at the end of a game.

[NumberSix]

So I keep hearing that Lebron is not getting enough help from his team offensively. Although other factors are present, I decided to just take a look at what kind of offensive help he has received from their main bananas. I then took Kobe 2010 and Jordan's 3peat.

Lebron: Wade, Bosh and Allen: 41.6 ppg on 51% FG

Kobe: Gasol, Peace and Fisher: 37.8 ppg on 41% FG

Jordan: Pippen, Kukoc and Rodman: 36.1 ppg on 41% FG -96
30.3 ppg on 36% FG -97
34 ppg on 46% FG -98

So Lebron is getting more offensive help on a higher percentage from his main cogs, but we are going to act like he has no help. Again no knock on him...just his stans...he is more than capable to put his mark on the game. I looked at his scoring and it amazes me how he will have a dominant quarter then won't do anything until the last minute of the next quarter. GM 3: 14 points in the first, then 2 in the 2nd, 2 in the 3rd and 4 in the 4th. He needs to shoot plain and simple, this series needs a epic game from him, not this stand around being passive crap.
Teams = 4 players? :confusedshrug:

[hiphopfan777]

Lebron James does play defense. Remember that block on Duncan lastbyears gake sixhttp://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LdYrAv-EIwk

[Rose'sACL]

Lol at blocks = best defender. I guess serge ibaka is the best defender in the league even though he can't gaurd lebron. Lebron's eyes light up as soon as kd or ibaka are on him.

[outbreak]

Lebrons style of play makes other stars look worse. .....

[ThePhantomCreep]

cmon son

Another shitty reply to a good opening post. LeBron homers are weak sauce.

[Dresta]

Lol at blocks = best defender. I guess serge ibaka is the best defender in the league even though he can't gaurd lebron. Lebron's eyes light up as soon as kd or ibaka are on him.
Ibaka is a much better defender than Lebron - what are you talking about? Blocks aren't the primary indicator of impactful defense; good rim protection is. Ibaka provides great rim protection, and (this season in particular) Lebron has provided next-to-none (despite his size).

[Rose'sACL]

Ibaka is a much better defender than Lebron - what are you talking about? Blocks aren't the primary indicator of impactful defense; good rim protection is. Ibaka provides great rim protection, and (this season in particular) Lebron has provided next-to-none (despite his size).
Where did I compare lebron and ibaka's defense?. I was making the point that ibaka is not as good defensively as number of blocks he has.
Ibaka is still a very good defender. Did you see me making lebron for dpoy threads or something?