Kobe is actually more efficient than Bran

[Ca$H]

Kobe- 5/7 in the finals = 71.4%

Bran- 2/5 in the finals = 40%

:oldlol:

[stalkerforlife]

Kobe- 5/7 in the finals = 71.4%

Bran- 2/5 in the finals = 40%

:oldlol:

Only stat that matters when comparing all time greats.

Why do you think Russell > Wilt? Russell damn sure didn't have his numbers.

[Artillery]

Kobe- 5/7 in the finals = 71.4%

Bran- 2/5 in the finals = 40%

:oldlol:

Duncan - 5/6 in the Finals = 83%

[BigBoss]

:applause:

#striveforgreatness

#onlystatthatmatters

[Kvnzhangyay]

So how many years that Lebron was in the playoffs Kobe wasn't?

[J Shuttlesworth]

Damn so the Kobe fans are finally admitting that Duncan > Kobe? :applause: :applause:

[Artillery]

So how many years that Lebron was in the playoffs Kobe wasn't?

Lebron has never missed the playoffs in his prime. Kobe has(2005 and 2014). Embarrassing that people want to call Bryant an all-time great when he can't even lead his team into playoffs without Phil and a stacked team.

[Artillery]

Damn so the Kobe fans are finally admitting that Duncan > Kobe? :applause: :applause:

Duncan could have 3 rings and he'd still be >>>>Kobe. Two-way players are infinetely more valuable than one-way chuckers.

[sbw19]

Post-merger, Horry has everyone beat. 7/8 spanning 3 different teams.

[Ne 1]

Duncan could have 3 rings and he'd still be >>>>Kobe. Two-way players are infinetely more valuable than one-way chuckers. Except Kobe being inefficient over his career is a myth. He has always been efficient relative to league average, even in most of his highest-volume shooting seasons. In fact, he had excellent efficiency over his prime. He was at a excellent +3-4% relative to league average TS% from 2001-2009. That's as good as the "efficiency God" Wade or 2nd 3-peat Jordan. At no point in his career has Kobe been under league average efficency and he takes many last second shots.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

7 Finals in 18 years = 39%
5 Finals in 11 years = 45%

[Straight_Ballin]

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[D-Rose]

Wow, what an excellent topic. Typical ****ing ISH.

I can't even imagine LBJ + Prime Shaq. *DIES*

(and Kobe is my all time favorite player)

[pastis]

Duncan could have 3 rings and he'd still be >>>>Kobe. Two-way players are infinetely more valuable than one-way chuckers.

duncan 05,07 and 14 just role player

so he will have only the 99 and 03 title

so only 2 titles and kobe 5. datmath

[TheMarkMadsen]

Wow, what an excellent topic. Typical ****ing ISH.

I can't even imagine LBJ + Prime Shaq. *DIES*

(and Kobe is my all time favorite player)

Yeah imagine a 20 year old Lebron game 7 WCF 4th quarter with the game on the line..

:roll: :lol

[D-Rose]

Yeah imagine a 20 year old Lebron game 7 WCF 4th quarter with the game on the line..

:roll: :lol
The problem with discussions like these is that every situation is different. For example: 2007 Cavs losing is not nearly as big of a deal to LeBron's image as the 2011 loss was. Everything needs to be kept in perspective.

According to ISH, Kevin Garnett is nowhere near the player Duncan was b/c only 1 ring, AMIRITE? When, in reality...KG/Duncan is very debatable in terms of talent/ability/who do you want on your team in their prime.

As for LeBron vs. Kobe....I love Kobe. Seriously. But he's nowhere near the player LeBron is. I mean, if you look at nearly every single statistical category of importance, especially advanced stats on efficiency, LBJ blows Kobe out of the water.

[dubeta]

Yeah imagine a 20 year old Lebron game 7 WCF 4th quarter with the game on the line..

:roll: :lol

It wouldnt have gotten to the point cause the Lakers would have swept :facepalm

20 Year old LeBron was twice the player 20 year old Kobe was

20 year old LeBron was in between having seasons of 27/7/7 and 31/7/6, arguably even better than prime Kobe

[Straight_Ballin]

duncan 05,07 and 14 just role player

so he will have only the 99 and 03 title

so only 2 titles and kobe 5. datmath

Kobe couldn't win with Shaq, so if anything it's 2:2 vs duncan.

[TheMarkMadsen]

The problem with discussions like these is that every situation is different. For example: 2007 Cavs losing is not nearly as big of a deal to LeBron's image as the 2011 loss was. Everything needs to be kept in perspective.

According to ISH, Kevin Garnett is nowhere near the player Duncan was b/c only 1 ring, AMIRITE? When, in reality...KG/Duncan is very debatable in terms of talent/ability/who do you want on your team in their prime.

As for LeBron vs. Kobe....I love Kobe. Seriously. But he's nowhere near the player LeBron is. I mean, if you look at nearly every single statistical category of importance, especially advanced stats on efficiency, LBJ blows Kobe out of the water.

I'm lookin at the stats right now and I see a prime Lebron putting up 27/7/5 in the playoffs

Lookin at the stats again and I see a 30+ year old Kobe putting up 30/6/6 in the playoffs during his championship runs.

Kobe in the 01 playoffs put up 29/7/6 which is statistically better than what prime Lebron is puttin up now.

Kobe in 01 & 02 led the entire league in 4th quarter scoring on incredible effeciency, and that was 21 & 22 year old Kobe..

2014 primes Lebron put up 23/6/5 in the ECF

22 year old Kobe puts up 34/7/7 in the WCF

[Odinn]

7 Finals in 18 years = 39%
5 Finals in 11 years = 45%
9 Finals in 13 years = 69%
10 Finals in 20 years = 50%

[TheMarkMadsen]

It wouldnt have gotten to the point cause the Lakers would have swept :facepalm

20 Year old LeBron was twice the player 20 year old Kobe was

20 year old LeBron was in between having seasons of 27/7/7 and 31/7/6, arguably even better than prime Kobe


22 year old Kobe: 29/7/6

Prime Lebron: 27/7/5

Stay mad.

[dubeta]

I'm lookin at the stats right now and I see a prime Lebron putting up 27/7/5 in the playoffs

Lookin at the stats again and I see a 30+ year old Kobe putting up 30/6/6 in the playoffs during his championship runs.

Kobe in the 01 playoffs put up 29/7/6 which is statistically better than what prime Lebron is puttin up now.

Kobe in 01 & 02 led the entire league in 4th quarter scoring on incredible effeciency, and that was 21 & 22 year old Kobe..

2014 primes Lebron put up 23/6/5 in the ECF

22 year old Kobe puts up 34/7/7 in the WCF

FG% and minutes played is the key difference

And look at 2009 playoff LeBron if you want to argue numbers :sleeping

[D-Rose]

I'm lookin at the stats right now and I see a prime Lebron putting up 27/7/5 in the playoffs

Lookin at the stats again and I see a 30+ year old Kobe putting up 30/6/6 in the playoffs during his championship runs.

Kobe in the 01 playoffs put up 29/7/6 which is statistically better than what prime Lebron is puttin up now.

Kobe in 01 & 02 led the entire league in 4th quarter scoring on incredible effeciency, and that was 21 & 22 year old Kobe..

2014 primes Lebron put up 23/6/5 in the ECF

22 year old Kobe puts up 34/7/7 in the WCF

The problem here is that you're using stats. The first sign of an uneducated basketball discussion. Look, 5 years ago, I was right where you are...trying to make the same argument...fiercely typing away at my computer and scouring basketball reference for help.

Once I got a little more mature and LeBron starting winning titles, I realized how wrong I was. Literally the only thing Kobe probably does better is scoring...and what good is that when it's at a terribly inefficient clip? Lebron just shot 58% from the field for ****'s sake as a perimeter player.

LeBron does LITERALLY everything better on the court. Passing, shooting, defense, rebounding, court vision, fast breaks, getting teammates involved, etc, etc, etc. There is not a basketball coach/analyst/GM in the world that will honestly say they'd take Kobe over LeBron.

[J Shuttlesworth]

22 year old Kobe: 29/7/6

Prime Lebron: 27/7/5

Stay mad.
LeBron at 22:

31/7/7

[dubeta]

LeBron at 22:

31/7/7

LMAO owned

and LeBron at 24 = 35/9/7

Kobetards lose in any statistical discussion, have to rely on subjective eye test or on using Shaq's rings :roll:

[TheMarkMadsen]

The problem here is that you're using stats. The first sign of an uneducated basketball discussion.


I mean, if you look at nearly every single statistical category of importance, especially advanced stats on efficiency, LBJ blows Kobe out of the water.

:roll: :roll:

[D-Rose]

:roll: :roll:
Admittedly I seem to contradict myself...let me explain.

Posting x pts/ x rbds/ x asts is useless. I meant advanced statistics. Check out basketball reference sometime.

I mean it's telling that you post those x/x/x stats without mention of FG%, which of the box score stats is very important.

Oh, and thanks for ignoring everything else I said, but only being able to comment on a slight technicality :cheers:

[TheMarkMadsen]

LeBron at 22:

31/7/7


REGULAR SEASON :lol

we get it bro, bran is a regular season hero

now lets compare PLAYOFF STATS at 22

Kobe: 29/7/6/2/1 on 47%

Lebron: 25/8/8/2/1 on 42%

you were saying?

[riseagainst]

http://s21.postimg.org/ywbet5ggn/lebron.jpg

[dh144498]

http://s21.postimg.org/ywbet5ggn/lebron.jpg

:roll:

:roll:

[dubeta]

7 Finals in 18 years = 39%
5 Finals in 11 years = 45%

and when you take away Shaqs finals appearances its 3 Finals in 18 years = 17%

[Eye Test]

http://s21.postimg.org/ywbet5ggn/lebron.jpg

:lol :lol

[J Shuttlesworth]

REGULAR SEASON :lol

we get it bro, bran is a regular season hero

now lets compare PLAYOFF STATS at 22

Kobe: 29/7/6/2/1 on 47%

Lebron: 25/8/8/2/1 on 42%

you were saying?
You're not winning the stats game against LeBron

He put up 35/9/8 in 09, 30/9.7/6 in 2012

28/8/6 over a career

Kobe is 25/5/5 over his playoff career. Just stop. Kobe's best statistical seasons are nowhere near as good as LeBron's whether RS or playoffs

[Trollsmasher]

that just means that Bran is more dominant:coleman:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Admittedly I seem to contradict myself...let me explain.

Posting x pts/ x rbds/ x asts is useless. I meant advanced statistics. Check out basketball reference sometime.

I mean it's telling that you post those x/x/x stats without mention of FG%, which of the box score stats is very important.

Oh, and thanks for ignoring everything else I said, but only being able to comment on a slight technicality :cheers:

why would i even bother with you when you're entire argument is a contradiction

you want to disregard scoring, rebound and assisting and soley focus your argument on advance stats :lol

advanced stats are team stats Ortg, Drgt? Team stats.., PER? PER is a joke, D Wade, Cp3, David Robinson, Charles Barkley, and Bob Pettit have higher PERS than KAJ, Magic, Bird, Duncan, Hakeem :roll:

[DFish24]

Nothing to see here, Bran stans getting killed as usual.

[Lebronxrings]

Kobe who? Oh the dude on shaqs team.

[dubeta]

Kobe who? Oh the dude on shaqs team.

Norris Cole 2/2 = 100%

Cole > Kirby

[D-Rose]

Here we go, advanced stats speak for themselves.

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(lower is better for Dtrg)

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[Lebronxrings]

Norris Cole 2/2 = 100%

Cole > Kirby
b-b-but 5 RINGS THO. BEST PLAYER EVER THO.

[D-Rose]

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(lower the better Drtg)

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(ALL GRAPHICS COURTESY OF @Adam_Mares on twitter)

[Artillery]

Except Kobe being inefficient over his career is a myth. He has always been efficient relative to league average, even in most of his highest-volume shooting seasons. In fact, he had excellent efficiency over his prime. He was at a excellent +3-4% relative to league average TS% from 2001-2009. That's as good as the "efficiency God" Wade or 2nd 3-peat Jordan. At no point in his career has Kobe been under league average efficency and he takes many last second shots.

2004 Finals. Worst Finals performance of all-time.

6/24 in a game 7 in 2010. Heat would get blown out if Lebron ever had a 6-24 performance. Kobe's team(Pau and Metta) carries him to a title when he goes chucker mode. Shaq went ham in the '04 Finals in an attempt to offset Kobe's shittyness but it wasn't enough.

[TheMarkMadsen]

You're not winning the stats game against LeBron

He put up 35/9/8 in 09, 30/9.7/6 in 2012

28/8/6 over a career

Kobe is 25/5/5 over his playoff career. Just stop. Kobe's best statistical seasons are nowhere near as good as LeBron's whether RS or playoffs

I just did :lol

Lebron fans are seriously the only fan base that boast up a player stats in a losing series :facepalm :facepalm

do Jordan fans bring up the 86,87,88,89 or 90 playoffs to boost Jordans legacy? NO!! Jordan was putting ungodly numbers 37/7/7 in 90 on 51%, nobody brings that up because nobody cares if you don't win..it's cringe worthy to pretend otherwise.

you want to talk stats? lets talk about Lebrons year by year degression in the playoffs every year with the HEAT sans 2012

2011 regular season: 27/8/7

2011 playoffs: 24/8/6

2013 regular season: 27/8/7

2013 playoffs: 26/8/7

2014 regular season: 27/7/6

2014 playoffs:27/7/5

You act like Lebron is somebody who ups his game to god like levels in the playoffs.. looks to me that he stays the same, even declines a little :confusedshrug:


Kobe 2008 regular season: 28/6/5

2008 playoff: 30/6/6

2009 regular season: 27/5/5

2009 regular season: 30/5/6

2010 regular season: 27/5/5

2010 playoffs: 29/6/6

Kobe upped his production every year in the playoffs during the Lakers finals runs from 08-10 :confusedshrug:

[dubeta]

I just did :lol

Lebron fans are seriously the only fan base that boast up a player stats in a losing series :facepalm :facepalm

do Jordan fans bring up the 86,87,88,89 or 90 playoffs to boost Jordans legacy? NO!! Jordan was putting ungodly numbers 37/7/7 in 90 on 51%, nobody brings that up because nobody cares if you don't win..it's cringe worthy to pretend otherwise.

you want to talk stats? lets talk about Lebrons year by year degression in the playoffs every year with the HEAT sans 2012

2011 regular season: 27/8/7

2011 playoffs: 24/8/6

2013 regular season: 27/8/7

2013 playoffs: 26/8/7

2014 regular season: 27/7/6

2014 playoffs:27/7/5

You act like Lebron is somebody who ups his game to god like levels in the playoffs.. looks to me that he stays the same, even declines a little :confusedshrug:


Kobe 2008 regular season: 28/6/5

2008 playoff: 30/6/6

2009 regular season: 27/5/5

2009 regular season: 30/5/6

2010 regular season: 27/5/5

2010 playoffs: 29/6/6

Kobe upped his production every year in the playoffs during the Lakers finals runs from 08-10 :confusedshrug:

LMAO kobe c*cksucker confirmed!! ahahaha

why did you want to leave out LeBrons 2012 playoff run huh? :roll: :roll: :roll:

Because his 30/10/6 shits on Kobe's entire career

And yes Bran stans use LeBrons losing playoff stats, but Kobe stans use Shaq's rings to prop up Kobe

You just got exposed as being extremely biased, never talk basketball again.

[PsychoBe]

we got a nikka in here postin' arts and crafts to try and prop up lebran :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Artillery]

duncan 05,07 and 14 just role player

so he will have only the 99 and 03 title

so only 2 titles and kobe 5. datmath

Kobe was a role player in 2000 and one of the worst defenders in the NBA. Duncan leads the Spurs in PER/winshares this year. 2014 Duncan is a much better player than '00 Kobe.

But let's boil it down since you love numbers so much:

Duncan: 3 Finals MVP(with a chance at 4 this year)
Kobe: 2 Finals MVP

[J Shuttlesworth]

I just did :lol

Lebron fans are seriously the only fan base that boast up a player stats in a losing series :facepalm :facepalm
:
:facepalm His 2012 playoff run is better than anything Kobe has ever dreamed of.

[Artillery]

Those PER/win share charts are pretty damning. We all know how much better Lebron is than Kobe in the impact statistics too(RAPM). Is there any advanced stat that Kobe looks half decent in? It's looking and more and more like Bryant was just a decent star with a stacked team. Not top ten all-time material imo.

[D-Rose]

we got a nikka in here postin' arts and crafts to try and prop up lebran :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
They're called graphs. You should have started learning them in middle school...shame that they were left out of your curriculum.

[Hey Yo]

Kobe- 5/7 in the finals = 71.4%

Bran- 2/5 in the finals = 40%

:oldlol:
As Alpha's for their team

Kobe 2-1
LeBron 2-1.

[Rodmantheman]

They're called graphs. You should have started learning them in middle school...shame that they were left out of your curriculum.

:roll:

[PsychoBe]

They're called graphs. You should have started learning them in middle school...shame that they were left out of your curriculum.

okay you got me :oldlol:

[D-Rose]

okay you got me :oldlol:
:cheers:

[moe94]

They're called graphs. You should have started learning them in middle school...shame that they were left out of your curriculum.
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[riseagainst]

http://s21.postimg.org/ywbet5ggn/lebron.jpg

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