What's an unpopular NBA opinion you hold?

[SHABBA]

Hit me with some controversy :coleman:

[avonbarksdale]

kobe > lebron

[Foster5k]

Heat will win in 7.

[SpecialQue]

Shaq is the most overrated player in NBA history.

Second most overrated is probably Kobe.

[stalkerforlife]

Jimmer Fredette should be a starting PG, where he would be really good on a winning team. I say 18ppg, 8apg, on 48%, 42%, and 92%.

Some dudes just never catch a break.

[Xoush]

Jeremy Lin is not garbage like James Harden.

[sbw19]

MJ is not a top-3 alltime Slam-Dunk Contest performer.

[fpliii]

Peak MJ was a better defender than Scottie during the same period. I've went 180 on this from a few months ago after watching a ton of games.

Peak for peak I'm not sure.

[tragicbronson]

Rose will end up like Greg Oden and Brandon Roy. Bad injuries like that never go away, i broke my ankle once and now i sprain it every time i play bball. Jk, i know you can't compare pros to amateurs, but still, i doubt that he will be close to that mvp level.

[Milbuck]

Magic is overrated.

[Breezy]

I don't know for sure but I just assume this isn't a widely held thought. but Dirk is the best power forward of all time, when correcting for the fact that Timmy is a center not a forward. Of all the players in the NBA right now the only players I take over Dirk in a "do-over" draft would be Lebron and Duncan. Yes that's right. Dirk>Kobe

[PsychoBe]

i believe the 2002 kings were the greatest basketball team ever.

[Akrazotile]

I don't know for sure but I just assume this isn't a widely held thought. but Dirk is the best power forward of all time, when correcting for the fact that Timmy is a center not a forward. Of all the players in the NBA right now the only players I take over Dirk in a "do-over" draft would be Lebron and Duncan. Yes that's right. Dirk>Kobe



:applause:


But OP asked for unpopular opinions, not indisputable facts.

[beastee]

CP3 is not even a top 5pg in the league. Sorry, his playoff resume speaks volumes.

[SHABBA]

CP3 is not even a top 5pg in the league. Sorry, his playoff resume speaks volumes.
Who are the 5 better than him?

[Jameerthefear]

tiny ass point guards aren't really that key to winning championships
i don't really see how people put magic and bird over lbj when they weren't good defenders
kobe isn't top 10, and there are a handful of players to draft over him
"teaming up" is lame as hell

[masonanddixon]

Probably my strong belief in eugenics (not Nazi Hitler style) especially with regards to the mining industry.

[beastee]

Who are the 5 better than him?

Parker (proven winner)
Westbrook (alpha who has made the finals)
Curry (best pure shooter alive and trending up)
Wall (Most dynamic young talent in the league that finally figured it out)
Potentially Lillard or Irving ( I need one more year of improvement from either)
Then CP3

So Maybe he is 5th best. But not higher than the other 4.

[Duggrr]

Purely as a player and not accolades, Bird is on a higher tier than Magic.

[masonanddixon]

Purely as a player and not accolades, Bird is on a higher tier than Magic.

Pretty much everyone at the time agreed Bird was the better. Now for some reason Magic is viewed as better (likely by virtue of the fact he's black and by people who never watched either play).

[ThePhantomCreep]

Purely as a player and not accolades, Bird is on a higher tier than Magic.
If you completely ignore individual postseason brilliance and longevity. Even then, bullshit.

[lefthook00]

If Iverson had Kobe's height, he would be the best of all time.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Shaq is overrated. Top 10 all-time, but overrated.

No, you can't pair him up with just anyone and win titles. His championship resume from 1994-1999 , on stacked teams, refutes this notion. And don't give me any crap about his age--dude was a 27-29 ppg monster at the time.

He played with the #2 and #4 greatest shooting guards of all-time on his title teams, yet Kobe gets shit for winning two with Pau Gasol at the tail-end of his prime?

[Akrazotile]

Shaq is overrated. Top 10 all-time, but overrated.

No, you can't pair him up with just anyone and win titles. His championship resume from 1994-1999 , on stacked teams, refutes this notion. And don't give me any crap about his age--dude was a 27-29 ppg monster at the time.

He played with the #2 and #4 greatest shooting guards of all-time on his title teams, yet Kobe gets shit for winning two with Pau Gasol at the tail-end of his prime?


Kobe < Gasol

Deal.

[Derka]

Parker (proven winner)
Westbrook (alpha who has made the finals)
Curry (best pure shooter alive and trending up)
Wall (Most dynamic young talent in the league that finally figured it out)
Potentially Lillard or Irving ( I need one more year of improvement from either)
Then CP3

So Maybe he is 5th best. But not higher than the other 4.

Not a totally insane argument to make, truly. :applause:

[ThePhantomCreep]

Kobe < Gasol

Deal.

This is an "unpopular opinion" thread. Not an idiotic one.

[LAClipsFan33]

Greg Popovich and Larry Brown are pound for pound better coaches than Phil Jackson. Phil had MUCH more to work with

[ILLsmak]

Speaking of Pop, like he said about success (caught a fraction of his interview on media day) - there are many factors that go into it. There are many factors that go into stats, too. People don't understand that in this game. It's not only 5 v 5, but it's 12 v 12, and 3 refs. DO THE MATH. heh. Nah, but long story short: I never have felt in terms of impact that MJ was the GOAT. He's just got the best resume. And probably always will, in terms of the modern era, wins, stats, hype.

-Smak

[poido123]

That the NBA needs to return to hand checking and a more physical league.

More trashtalking, more hard fouls.

[hybridLB]

If it wasn't for injuries.. T-MAC would have been the best player in the NBA for the past 20 years

[NumberSix]

Bill Russell isn't a top 50 player.

[LAClipsFan33]

If it wasn't for injuries.. T-MAC would have been the best player in the NBA for the past 20 years

But the reason T-Mac got hurt so much is because he was a lazy ass who didn't work

[ThePhantomCreep]

Duncan's Spurs have a lot of postseason flameouts that players of his caliber would have been crucified for.

[smoovegittar]

that the referees really hold a lot of sway in-game. It kills the magic of a team that's hot.

[Rondo]

I don't know for sure but I just assume this isn't a widely held thought. but Dirk is the best power forward of all time, when correcting for the fact that Timmy is a center not a forward. Of all the players in the NBA right now the only players I take over Dirk in a "do-over" draft would be Lebron and Duncan. Yes that's right. Dirk>Kobe

KG > Dirk (and Kobe).

[DonDadda59]

We're witnessing one of the absolute weakest eras in NBA History.

[BigBoss]

MJ is not the undisputed greatest player of all-time

[Lebronxrings]

Gasol>Kobe
Current heat minus lebron might not win the d league
Mj played in a weak era
Lebron has the worst cast in the history of basketball for any superstar
phil jackson made kobe
the nba is trying to make the spurs win this year.
wilt and russell wouldn't even be top 10 players right now.

[Akrazotile]

KG, Dirk > Kobe

:applause:

[smoovegittar]

We're witnessing one of the absolute weakest eras in NBA History.
If anything, we're witnessing some weak-ass fans...

[Akrazotile]

Gasol>Kobe
Current heat minus lebron might not win the d league
Mj played in a weak era
Lebron has the worst cast in the history of basketball for any superstar
phil jackson made kobe
the nba is trying to make the spurs win this year.


:applause:

[LAClipsFan33]

We're witnessing one of the absolute weakest eras in NBA History.

:applause:

[Lebronxrings]

:applause:
glad im not the only reasonable person here :cheers:

[qrich]

DeAndre Jordan is the third best center behind Joakim Noah & Marc Gasol. Timmy as well if you consider him a C.

[strike first]

Kobe rode shaq and gasol for his entire career, he could never be 'the man' like lbj and mj.

[Rocketswin2013]

Chris Paul is the most efficient PG ever. (It's actually a fact. Literally).

[SuperPippen]

Tim Duncan deserves to be ranked above both Magic and Bird if he wins this ring.

[NumberSix]

Tim Duncan deserves to be ranked above both Magic and Bird if he wins this ring.
Why? Did they ever win Rings as role players?

[Lebronxrings]

Tim duncan would have 0 rings without parker, ginobili and pop.

[DonDadda59]

Tim duncan would have 0 rings without parker, ginobili and pop.

Didn't have Ginobli or Parker in '99.

In '03, Parker was an erratic 2nd year player who the Spurs wanted to trade for JKidd (even after they won the 'ship) and Manu was a rookie averaging like 7 PPG off the bench.

[SuperPippen]

Why? Did they ever win Rings as role players?


If Duncan is a role player on this Spurs team, then everybody on the team is a role player.


For someone with as much self-proclaimed intelligence as you have, you can sure make some bewilderingly stupid posts.

[EricGordon23]

Demar derozan is more important to the raptors than kyle lowry
Al Jefferson over Joakim Noah
Lebron over Kobe
Pippen over wade
Rodman over Bosh
Bird over Magic
Nba needs to get tougher
Raptors would make the playoffs in the east

[NumberSix]

If Duncan is a role player on this Spurs team, then everybody on the team is a role player.


For someone with as much self-proclaimed intelligence as you have, you can sure make some bewilderingly stupid posts.
Pretty much. An entire roster of high quality role players.

[SHABBA]

DeAndre Jordan is the third best center behind Joakim Noah & Marc Gasol.
:lol

[T_L_P]

Tim duncan would have 0 rings without parker, ginobili and pop.

LeBron would have zero rings without Wade and Bosh. Duncan won without Parker/Manu.

Also, care to explain what Pop did in 99 to suggest he would be GOAT potential?

[SuperPippen]

Pretty much. An entire roster of high quality role players.

Damn. I totally forgot that Magic and Bird never played with any other quality players.

Parish, McHale, Johnson, Kareem, Worthy? All role players that paled in comparison to Larry Bird and Magic Johnson.

[Fudge]

Durant is the best player in the world.

[NumberSix]

LeBron would have zero rings without Wade and Bosh. Duncan won without Parker/Manu.
So did LeBron.

The whole "couldn't win without" argument is so stupid. Just leave it as "no player can win without other good players".

[SuperPippen]

So did LeBron.

The whole "couldn't win without" argument is so stupid. Just leave it as "no player can win without other good players".

I can agree with this.

[NumberSix]

Damn. I totally forgot that Magic and Bird never played with any other quality players.

Parish, McHale, Johnson, Kareem, Worthy? All role players that paled in comparison to Larry Bird and Magic Johnson.
I think you'd find some of those role players put up better stats than Duncan did in these finals.

The guy is like 38. He's a role player at this point.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Gasol>Kobe
Current heat minus lebron might not win the d league
Mj played in a weak era
Lebron has the worst cast in the history of basketball for any superstar
phil jackson made kobe
the nba is trying to make the spurs win this year.
wilt and russell wouldn't even be top 10 players right now.

Idiotic opinions =\= controversial

[ThePhantomCreep]

Bosh was considered just as good as Gasol pre-Kwame trade.

The Eyeball Test is actually a better metric to measure a player than bullshit advanced stats like PER. Don't believe me? Check the PER of Dream and Robinson in 1994.

[Rocketswin2013]

Bosh was considered just as good as Gasol pre-Kwame trade.

The Eyeball Test is actually a better metric to measure a player than bullshit advanced stats like PER. Don't believe me? Check the PER of Dream and Robinson in 1994.
Robinson was clearly better in '94. Hence, him getting the MVP in a blowout. Before PER and advanced stats were even known.

[Milbuck]

Ignoring accolades and rings and looking purely at their games, 2007-08 to 2008-09 pre-injury Chris Paul is the 2nd best PG ever behind Magic. Better than Kidd, Nash, Zeke, Stockton, Payton, etc. Not counting Oscar as strictly a PG.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Robinson was clearly better in '94. Hence, him getting the MVP in a blowout. Before PER and advanced stats were even known.

Olajuwon won the MVP in 1994.

1995 was the year Robinson won the MVP, and then faced Olajuwon in the WCFs. They're still trying to scrape Robinson's remains off the court.

[Rocketswin2013]

Olajuwon won the MVP in 1994.

1995 was the year Robinson won the MVP, and then faced Olajuwon in the WCFs. They're still trying to scrape Robinson's remains off the court.
Right

[Lebronxrings]

Idiotic opinions =\= controversial
so your gonna bash my opinions in a thread dedicated to our self beliefs?

[mr4speed]

If you completely ignore individual postseason brilliance and longevity. Even then, bullshit.

Are you ignoring the fact that the western conference was the weaker conference for Magic's entire career? And maybe ignoring some of Magic's poor play in some playoff and finals series?

[KDthunderup]

Lebron consistently fails the eye test for me

Lebron plays the stat sheet not the game. he's too unselfish IMO. He seems intent on getting his teammates going before he does. You don't really see Lebron get selfish until after halftime, and they're already behind. Just once I'd like to see him come out all guns blazing and get his team out to a lead. He won't take over a game unless he has to, often when the game is already out of reach. He would rather put out a well rounded box score with a high % instead of chancing his arm and stamping his influence on a game when his team truly needs him to at the risk of having a poor shooting game. He gets too picky with his shots and will only let reign if he catches fire. He definitely lacks the killer and winner mentality the MJ and Kobe possess.

In that regard I agree he deserves some criticism and why he will never be the GOAT.

[Kawhi Not?]

Russell Westbrook could lead his own team and be successful.

[KDthunderup]

Russell Westbrook could lead his own team and be successful.
In the East he could lead a team to a top 4 finish no problem imo.

[knicksman]

statpadders are cancers esp the breed of lebron, iverson, robertson, westbrook.

offense is more important than defense so offensive superstars and offensive coaches are more important than defensive coaches/superstars.

[knicksman]

Russell Westbrook could lead his own team and be successful.

if iverson could only lead his team once and marbury hasnt. I dont see westbrook either

[Kawhi Not?]

if iverson could only lead his team once and marbury hasnt. I dont see westbrook either

Iverson didn't have any help. Any Marbury was never considered a top 5 player not even a top 10. Westbrook is top 10 franchise player.