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Rocketswin2013
06-15-2014, 05:22 PM
Title.

He crushed the rest of the league in PER last season with a 31.7, just shy of his career high. He shot a ridiculous 56.5 percent from the field. He scored more points in the paint per game than anybody else in the league. He dished out more assists than most point guards. He registered a higher rebound rate than Marc Gasol and Robin Lopez. Defensively, he's tall, quick and strong enough to guard just about anyone in the league, and he almost did.

And if all that wasn't enough, consider this: He now wields one of the most potent jumpers in the league. Only Jose Calderon averaged more points per spot-up play than James, according to Synergy Sports.

Most efficient spot-up players, 2012-13 regular season(Min. 100 plays)

Player Plays Points PPP
Jose Calderon 187 281 1.50
LeBron James 143 195 1.36
Kyle Korver 224 301 1.34
Steve Nash 114 153 1.32
Stephen Curry 226 294 1.30


James' name pops up near the top of all the jump-shot leaderboards for last season. And that includes the unguarded catch-and-shoot category, in which he effectively shot 73.1 percent once you account for the added value of 3s. Only five players were more lethal with open shots. While he couldn't find his shot in the Finals until the very end, he ended up converting 37.5 percent of his 3s in the postseason, which is well above average. (For perspective, Kevin Durant shot 31.3 percent from deep in the playoffs.)


LeBron James continues to raise the bar



1. He's shooting 3s like Ray Allen.

First, a little story: Several of the team's finest shooters would participate in a shooting contest every day after practice during the season. This has been a daily ritual for years now, but Allen's presence raised the stakes for Miami's sharpshooters such as Mike Miller, James Jones, Shane Battier, Mario Chalmers and other ambitious players.

So, one day after a long shooting competition that wrapped up a preseason practice, Allen walked over to the waiting media huddle, wiped off his sweat with his jersey and began fielding questions.

Predictably, here was the first query: So, did you win the shooting contest?

Allen shook his head and laughed, "Nope. LeBron did, believe it or not."

This has happened a few times. Allen comes over to the media and he admits that James has beaten him in a shooting contest. Wait -- James consistently beating arguably the greatest 3-point shooter in a shooting contest? How is this possible?

I asked myself the same question late Monday night after watching James hit 3-point shot after 3-point shot against the poor Rockets. On the night, James scored 38 points with 15 of those points coming from beyond the arc. James is now shooting 52 percent (13-for-25) from downtown on the season, just shy of Allen's 54 percent rate.

When it comes to the 3-point shot, James has never enjoyed a hotter start. His previous high in 3-point percentage through eight games was back in 2006-07, when he shot 43.8 percent (14-for-32). This serves as a helpful warning sign, because that season, James shot 30.5 percent from downtown the rest of the way. It's a small sample size, indeed.

But it's worth watching as the season wears on, since this sort of efficiency is new ground for James. Put it this way: Guess how many 3-point shots James had made eight games into last season?

Zero.

He had a shaky NBA Finals but then made up for it with the GOAT scoring Game 7. GOAT wing season IMGHO.

Rocketswin2013
06-15-2014, 05:26 PM
lol yeah nobody has a case.

Black and White
06-15-2014, 05:26 PM
LeBron had a great season, but are we going to forget that he was sub-par for the majority of the finals (which counted the most), also are you referring to wing players from now onwards? Because there have been perimeter players that have had better seasons. MJ being one.

Black and White
06-15-2014, 05:27 PM
lol yeah nobody has a case.

Is this an alt fail or something?

Rocketswin2013
06-15-2014, 05:28 PM
Hence, GOAT scoring Game 7................ Automatically offsets that .And LeBron's defense was also good while he struggled. Funny how is the series he struggled in he still put up MVP numberrs.

Rocketswin2013
06-15-2014, 05:29 PM
Is this an alt fail or something?
It was a bump you stupid ******.

Black and White
06-15-2014, 05:30 PM
Hence, GOAT scoring Game 7................ Automatically offsets that .And LeBron's defense was also good while he struggled. Funny how is the series he struggled in he still put up MVP numberrs.

Wait, 1 game discounts the other games???? You guys keep bringing up Kawhi Leonard being garbage in 2 games all the time, but when it comes to LeBron, we are going to overlook that he was sub-par in more games than he was good in the finals???

KD35Brah
06-15-2014, 05:35 PM
Durant will when he starts cherry picking his shots and only takes wide open jumpshots and fastbreak dunks.

When Durant becomes more ball dominant he wikl average the same amount of assists.

Suguru101
06-15-2014, 05:36 PM
LeBron in 2012.

Better defensively and more engaged.
Quicker and more athletic.
He was in Eff-you mode the whole season.
Better in the playoffs than in 2013.
Better in the Finals than in 2013.
Game 6.

MVP. FMVP. Gold Medal.

Rocketswin2013
06-15-2014, 05:39 PM
Wait, 1 game discounts the other games???? You guys keep bringing up Kawhi Leonard being garbage in 2 games all the time, but when it comes to LeBron, we are going to overlook that he was sub-par in more games than he was good in the finals???
Whta are you talking about "you guys"? I've said nothing on this series other than a few points that has nothing to do with this.

LeBron James arguably had the greatest season for a PG/SG/SF that won MVP and Finals MVP. Basically GOAT best player in the NBA season. Jordan never maintained a statistical line like leBron AND won like that. Deal with it.


By the way, LeBron had a 18 reboond game and kept the Heat in that game 1 because of his overrall impact passing and defending despite his poor shooting. And his poor shotting wasn't even necessarily poor. IIRC he shot 7/16? :lol Kobe percentages. Yeah Kobe stat lines are pretty disgraceful so he should stay away from that. Tbh...

Milbuck
06-15-2014, 05:39 PM
It was a bump you stupid ******.
4 minute bump?

Rocketswin2013
06-15-2014, 05:40 PM
Durant will when he starts cherry picking his shots and only takes wide open jumpshots and fastbreak dunks.

When Durant becomes more ball dominant he wikl average the same amount of assists.
Lol Durant doesn't have the pure skills kid.

Rocketswin2013
06-15-2014, 05:40 PM
4 minute bump?
It was at least 7 threads below the top and was getting trounced so yes. In this case, a bump was necessary.

Warfan
06-15-2014, 05:43 PM
IMO

2012 bran > 2013 bran

(Mainly because i weight the playoffs a lot more than the reg. season where u can cherrypick shots and statpad)


30/10/6 with great D > 26/8/6

He was better in every round and had some dominating performances (gm6 bos, gm 4 ind). He didn't really have any bad games either, whereas he struggled for half the finals and was pretty mediocre against Chicago.

Rocketswin2013
06-15-2014, 05:43 PM
I take that back...Jordan had a 31.6 PER season in '91 and posted a 32 playoff PER...Good lord. Was that guy human holy shit?

:facepalm

:lol

SamuraiSWISH
06-15-2014, 05:44 PM
IMO

2012 bran > 2013 bran

(Mainly because i weight the playoffs a lot more than the reg. season where u can cherrypick shots and statpad)


30/10/6 with great D > 26/8/6

He was better in every round and had some dominating performances (gm6 bos, gm 4 ind). He didn't really have any bad games either, whereas he struggled for half the finals and was pretty mediocre against Chicago.
:applause:

Beautiful post, particularly the bolded. I'm the exact same way.

ThePhantomCreep
06-15-2014, 05:46 PM
Jordan in 1993 averaged 35/7/6 in the playoffs.

41/9/6 in the Finals.

And he was considered a pinch worse than his 1988-1992 peak!

Young X
06-15-2014, 05:47 PM
He had one of the best regular seasons by any player ever but his playoff run was average for his standards. If he would've had his 2013 regular season and 2012 post season in the same year it would be one of the GOAT seasons.

Black and White
06-15-2014, 05:48 PM
I take that back...Jordan had a 31.6 PER season in '91 and posted a 32 playoff PER...Good lord. Was that guy human holy shit?

:facepalm

:lol

You have to go back and look at Jordans seasons, the dude was on a different level, LeBron was great and all, but he hasn't done anything like that, thats all im trying to say.

Rocketswin2013
06-15-2014, 05:49 PM
He had one of the best regular seasons by any player ever but his playoff run was average for his standards. If he would've had his 2013 regular season and 2012 post season in the same year it would be one of the GOAT seasons.
Yeah that Finals game 1-5 derailed LeBron. Had he played better it would have been wing player GOAT. Just #2 now.

Still, Jordan has never had a playoff run on either end like LeBron 2009 and I don't care if he lost.

NumberSix
06-15-2014, 05:52 PM
You have to go back and look at Jordans seasons, the dude was on a different level, LeBron was great and all, but he hasn't done anything like that, thats all im trying to say.
Nostalgia is a powerful drug.

Black and White
06-15-2014, 05:54 PM
Nostalgia is a powerful drug.

Just confirming, you are claiming that Jordan has never had a better season than LeBron in 2013?

SamuraiSWISH
06-15-2014, 05:58 PM
Yeah that Finals game 1-5 derailed LeBron. Had he played better it would have been wing player GOAT. Just #2 now.

Still, Jordan has never had a playoff run on either end like LeBron 2009 and I don't care if he lost.
Going to at least the conference finals? Really?

1989: 35 ppg, 7 rpg, 8 apg, 3 spg on 51% - Lost ECF in 6 games
1990: 37 ppg, 7 rpg, 7 apg, 3 spg on 51% - Lost ECF in 7 games
1992: 35 ppg, 6 rpg, 6 apg, 2 spg on 50% - NBA Back to Back Champions
1993: 35 ppg, 7 rpg, 6 apg, 2 spg on 48% - NBA Three Peat Champions

Rocketswin2013
06-15-2014, 06:06 PM
I don't feel like arguing much anymore tbh. But basically, to make it short, LeBron scored more than any playoff run of MJ's on better efficiency, rebounded and asisted more and fouled and turned to ball over alot less to make his impact.

:cheers: