Where does Tim Duncan stand all-time now?

[K Xerxes]

Won as pretty much the co-FMVP, anchored the defense of this team, led superbly, best player vs Thunder etc etc.

How much does this run add to his already top 10 legacy?

Oh, and now pretty much unquestionably the greatest player of his generation. :bowdown:

[IGOTGAME]

Better than Magic and Bird.

[T_L_P]

top 5

[IncarceratedBob]

Under Kobe above LeBron

[jzek]

Ahead of Kobe

[ThePhantomCreep]

He played tonight?

[stalkerforlife]

Top 5.

Absolutely top 5.

[SexSymbol]

I actually think he doesn't move up.
I have him 7th behind Kobe, but that's interchangeble

[Milbuck]

Better than Magic and Bird.
THIS.

[Andrei89]

Definitely top 5.

5 rings, 3 finals MVP, winner of the chip in three separate decaded.

Amazing consistency over the years.

I woul also rank him above Larry Bird. SO maybe, top 4 even.

[Big#50]

MJ
Duncan



















The rest.

[TaLvsCuaL]

only MJ should be ranked higher

[beastee]

Yeah, I got him at 7. Unfortunately his stats are just not enough to put him higher. But he is the best PF ever, no doubt.

[ThePhantomCreep]

only MJ should be ranked higher

His numbers were barely above role-player status this season. Are you people nuts?

[atljonesbro]

Number 5. EASY. Anyone who disagrees doesn't watch nor enjoy basketball

[sammichoffate]

I have him 3rd behind MJ and Kareem. He's arguably 2nd best all-time :bowdown:

[r0drig0lac]

1- MJ
2- Russell
3- Kareem
4- Wilt
5- Duncan
the rest...

[SexSymbol]

talk about overreaction

[PickernRoller]

talk about overreaction

let them have it. They are simply testing the waters....LeTards like OP are butthurt clowns.

[Phantom84]

I actually think he doesn't move up.
I have him 7th behind Kobe, but that's interchangeble

I'm not sure how you can make a case for Kobe over Duncan. They have the same amount of rings, but Duncan has more regular season MVP and FMVP. I'm all ears though.

[DMV2]

He's definitely ahead of Shaq and Kobe. Sole owner of #7. Kobetards can't say 5>4 anymore. It's 3 F-MVP + 2 MVP > 2 F-MVP and 1 MVP now. LOL

He's a very good argument for #6. Even a case for #5.

[TaLvsCuaL]

His numbers were barely above role-player status this season. Are you people nuts?
There is some players like Magic, Bird, KAJ, Wilt or Russel that arguably can be ranked at the same level but not higher.

[Fawker]

top 6

mj
kareem
russell
magic
shaq

duncan

[NBASTATMAN]

With his resume I think you can put him 5 or 6th all time... But not as a peak player..

[christian1923]

Does this count as a sidekick rings?

[nightprowler10]

Haha, I LOVE TD, but not top 5.

MJ
Russell

Wilt/Kareem/Magic/Bird

Duncan

[Cold soul]

Duncan moves up one spot to 7th all-time.

[K Xerxes]

For anyone that says Duncan put up 'role player' numbers, anchoring the defense so well at the age of 38 is incredibly impressive. There's no question in my mind that it's more inducive to team victory than chucking to 25ppg consistently.

I say Duncan has a legitimate argument for top 5, longevity only matched by Kareem in the top 10. Just a great great player, we should be privileged to have seen him play.

[RichieW]

Only players 100% above him are Jordan and Kareem. Russell probably too because of so many titles. So arguable 4th but definitely in the 4-8 range.

[stalkerforlife]

Why do you people keep putting Wilt and Russell in the top 5? They played in a league of 10 teams and the best teams received byes in the first round of the playoffs.

1. MJ
2. Kareem
3. Kobe
4. Duncan
5. Bird

That is the top 5 of all time.

[chazzy]

Above Bird. So 7th? I have to reevaluate where I rank Wilt. He only has 2 titles

[deja vu]

1. MJ
2. Kareem
3. Russell
4. Duncan
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Shaq
8. Wilt
9. Hakeem
10. Kobe

[plowking]

I have him 4th now. He was a big part of why they won, and had a case for FMVP as much as Leonard, since he played well every game in the series.

[Rose'sACL]

1. MJ/Kareem(tied)
3. Wilt
4. Russell
5. Duncan

[Noyze]

He was top 7-10 previously, he has to be top 5 now.

[ThePhantomCreep]

He was top 7-10 previously, he has to be top 5 now.

I fail to see how this ring gives him that much of a boost. None of the players previously ranked above him would lose a Finals MVP to Kwahi Leonard.

[SuperPippen]

Got him at #5, behind MJ, Kareem, Russell, and Wilt.


:facepalm at people dismissing him as a "role player." He's been there most consistent player during these playoffs, and he was their best player during last year's playoffs, too. He's still their defensive anchor. And he's f*cking 38.

He's a legend. The greatest big man since Kareem.

:bowdown:

[theoneneo]

So Duncan is Top 5 now that he won his 5th, but Kobe isn't? :biggums:

Explain, please...

[fpliii]

Why do you people keep putting Wilt and Russell in the top 5? They played in a league of 10 teams and the best teams received byes in the first round of the playoffs.

1. MJ
2. Kareem
3. Kobe
4. Duncan
5. Bird

That is the top 5 of all time.
There were byes until 1983.

You don't have to rank Wilt and Russell, but don't call it an all-time list then.

[NBASTATMAN]

1. MJ/Kareem(tied)
3. Wilt
4. Russell
5. Duncan


This is where I would put him at.. You have to consider he has never played with a true superstar..

[jstern]

I'm not sure how you can make a case for Kobe over Duncan. They have the same amount of rings, but Duncan has more regular season MVP and FMVP. I'm all ears though.

Kobe has a more stylish game and is less boring.

Duncan has always been ahead of Kobe on most all time list, but since the last Finals the Kobe stans have been on a crusade trying to brainwash people with threads like, "If Duncan wins, will he match Kobe." And anything else they can use to put him down.

Somehow Kobe had passed Tim, with all his failures that he's had since 2010.


So Duncan is Top 5 now that he won his 5th, but Kobe isn't? :biggums:

Explain, please...

Are you that simple minded? Is life really that simple for you?

[BurningHammer]

Potentially be in the Mt. Rushmore of NBA; Russell, Jordan, Abdul-Jabbar and Duncan.

[kumquat]

So Duncan is Top 5 now that he won his 5th, but Kobe isn't? :biggums:

Explain, please...

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2009/writers/steve_aschburner/02/16/kerr.paxson/shaq-superman.jpg

[SexSymbol]

I'm not sure how you can make a case for Kobe over Duncan. They have the same amount of rings, but Duncan has more regular season MVP and FMVP. I'm all ears though.
Kobe demolishes Spurs in the Play-offs
Kobe has way more clutch plays and game-winners
Duncan's teams have some of the worst chokes ever.
Kobe's longetivity is on par with Duncan's considering he's a perimeter player.
Kobe has faced better competition in the finals than Duncan has.
Yet again, I think they're completely equal, but you could argue both sides

[Kidbasketball20]

THE MOST OBVIOUS FACT




top 10 AT WORST




One of the best top 10 nba players EVERRR

[Phantom84]

Kobe demolishes Spurs in the Play-offs
Kobe has way more clutch plays and game-winners
Duncan's teams have some of the worst chokes ever.
Kobe's longetivity is on par with Duncan's considering he's a perimeter player.
Kobe has faced better competition in the finals than Duncan has.
Yet again, I think they're completely equal, but you could argue both sides

Yeah clutch play and game winners don't mean shit if it doesn't translate to a championship. None of the stuff you listed is of any importance when it come to ranking an individual in the all time list. At the end of the day, Duncan has the same amount of rings and more accolades (MVP/FMVP) than Kobe. There really is no argument for Kobe over Duncan.

[stalkerforlife]

There were byes until 1983.

You don't have to rank Wilt and Russell, but don't call it an all-time list then.

Russell played in an era where there were fewer NBA teams

[Totspurs]

Jordan
Kareem / Russell
Wilt / Magic / Duncan
Shaq

[ReturnofJPR]

More than Kobe dat 4 sho

[ReturnofJPR]

Jordan
Kareem / Russell
Wilt / Magic / Duncan
Shaq

Bird...typical foreigner

[pauk]

Except for him winning a ring at his age (which is i would guess emotionally the sweetest championship to him) i think the context itself unfortunately isnt in the type of nature enough to boost him any much higher considering the players he is ranked around with in the top 10...

[ThePhantomCreep]

THE MOST OBVIOUS FACT




top 10 AT WORST




One of the best top 10 nba players EVERRR

He was top 10 long before this title.

[SexSymbol]

Yeah clutch play and game winners don't mean shit if it doesn't translate to a championship. None of the stuff you listed is of any importance when it come to ranking an individual in the all time list. At the end of the day, Duncan has the same amount of rings and more accolades (MVP/FMVP) than Kobe. There really is no argument for Kobe over Duncan.
Of course there is. Just because you don't like Kobe doesn't mean there's no argument.
Like I said, Kobe has a 4-2 series edge against san antonio, and one of those series was when Kobe was a baby and wasn't playing much, so 4-1 prime for prime
Kobe's teams have been to three straight finals two times, something Duncan's teams weren't able to do.
Kobe's been a huge part of a three-peat
Kobe's longevity is on par at least if not better.
Kobe's peak is on par.
They're just equal if you look at it objectively

[Leroy Jetson]

I think at this point only Kobe Stans will put Kobe over Duncan.

[Straight_Ballin]

1- MJ
2- Russell
3- Kareem
4- Wilt
5- Duncan
the rest...

This. Deal with it.

[Jacks3]

lol people putting him in the top 5. :roll:

[LeBird]

Same place as before this finals. Above Kobe.

1-6 in no order: Wilt, Russell, KAJ, Bird, Magic, Jordan
7-10 in no order: Lebron, Duncan, Shaq, Hakeem

[BlackVVaves]

He's definitely ahead of Shaq and Kobe. Sole owner of #7. Kobetards can't say 5>4 anymore. It's 3 F-MVP + 2 MVP > 2 F-MVP and 1 MVP now. LOL

He's a very good argument for #6. Even a case for #5.

THIS.

I don't even think he has a case for 6th...I think he has sole possession, with a argument for 5th over Bird.

I had Wilt and maybe Shaq over him before, and not that this championship should be weighed equally as his rings, but:

Top 5 in DWS last year
Top 10 in DWS this year

Played great ball in the Dallas and Portland series. Was superb in Games 1 and 2 in the Finals. It's not to say he was a scrub riding coat-tails. He was a intricate part to their success, and the anchor of a top defense.

So, to me:

MJ
Kareem
Bill
Magic
Bird
Duncan
Wilt/Shaq
Shaq/Wilt
Kobe
LeBron

[Anaximandro1]

Tim Duncan -> TOP 5 All-time

Tim Duncan made the impossible possible : David (Spurs) defeated Goliath (Lakers)


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-y5VpWXb-A8U/U55qxhebxgI/AAAAAAAAC9k/XcQapoSZp10/s1600/10.jpg



The Kareem of this era

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-quHhy7FJk-0/U5whF11N62I/AAAAAAAAC8k/oeeULcEGIos/s1600/3.jpg

[DFish24]

I have Duncan ranked at #6 all-time in between Kobe and Bird.

[tpols]

Top 5 minimum imo

[Psileas]

In addition to having fewer teams, there were fewer playoff rounds and the top teams (like the Celtics) often got first round byes. Whereas Jordan and Magic had to win 15 playoff games to win a title (and often play upwards of 20 games or more), Russell played between 10 and 14 games to win each of his first eight championships.

It's funny you mention Magic, who wasn't playing in any less playoff series than late 60's Russell between 1980 and 1983. Magic and Bird won a combined 3 of their 8 titles by playing in as many playoff rounds as old Bill Russell. This "less rounds" format didn't stop Magic from losing way too early in 1981 and it didn't stop Bird from doing the same in 1983 and missing all Finals save 1981. Ironically, when the NBA extended its format to 4 rounds, Magic and Bird became more successful.
3 rounds vs 2 also didn't stop Russell from continuing winning titles, often without HCA, 4 rounds vs 2 or 3 didn't stop a crapload of teams repeating and 3peating from 1988 and on, 3 rounds vs 4 still didn't allow a single team to repeat in the 70's.
So, please stop with the less rounds excuses. Their only value is purely mathematical, but real life has shown that it doesn't really matter if the rounds are 2 or 3 or 4. 8-peating is hellishly difficult, period.


By playing fewer postseason games, combined with shorter NBA seasons, this gave Russell a distinct advantage in durability over Jordan and Magic in accumulating wear and tear.

See above. Plus, the fact alone that Russell had to face Wilt Chamberlain year in and year out makes it more impressive than some player playing 1 more round against teams that had little chance to do anything serious to begin with.
And, please, GTFO with "shorter NBA seasons", as if 2 regular season games less mean anything. If anything, the only shorter in those seasons was their actual schedule length, which compressed the games and made the season way more tiresome.


Russell nor Wilt are in my top 5. Deal with it.

Your list doesn't matter to anyone but yourself. But when it comes to the arguments to lead to it, you'll have to try harder.

[ClutchOver9000]

:applause: I love Tim Duncan

[sportjames23]

Better than Magic and Bird.

You out your damn mind. :facepalm

[Rocketswin2013]

Tim Duncan -> TOP 5 All-time

Tim Duncan made the impossible possible : David (Spurs) defeated Goliath (Lakers)


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-y5VpWXb-A8U/U55qxhebxgI/AAAAAAAAC9k/XcQapoSZp10/s1600/10.jpg



The Kareem of this era

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-quHhy7FJk-0/U5whF11N62I/AAAAAAAAC8k/oeeULcEGIos/s1600/3.jpg
Where exactly do you guys get these photos?

[SuperPippen]

Duncan has earned the right to be called one of the five greatest to ever play the game. Don't think Magic, Bird, Kobe, or Shaq have much of a case over him.

[ninephive]

Top 5 Now

MJ
Kareem
Russell
Wilt
Duncan
Magic
Bird
Shaq
Kobe
Hakeem

[Meticode]

So Duncan is Top 5 now that he won his 5th, but Kobe isn't? :biggums:

Explain, please...
There's a couple of reasons Duncan is ranked higher than Kobe. For one, Duncan is the best player at his position...ever. Kobe isn't. Also I think a lot of people look at the fact that Kobe for 3 of those rings played with arguably the most dominate center ever. Also Duncan has 3 FMVPs to Kobe's 2 FMVPs. And Duncan has 2 MVPs to Kobe's 1 MVP.

Personally, I don't feel he's top 5 yet. #6 is very solid for me. For me to put him ahead of Bird & Magic at the same time, he'd have to win another ring being an important piece to the team. Then I have no problem putting him even #4.

[Meticode]

Same place as before this finals. Above Kobe.

1-6 in no order: Wilt, Russell, KAJ, Bird, Magic, Jordan
7-10 in no order: Lebron, Duncan, Shaq, Hakeem
This makes no sense. You don't have Kobe in the top 10, but you have LeBron in the top 10? That's not to say LeBron won't end up there, because he definitely will when it's said and done, but as of right now LeBron is just out of the top 10 and Kobe is definitely in.

[MavsSuperFan]

Honestly about the same as before. (5-8 All time imo)

His performance was good. But it wasnt enough to move him up on the all time list.

[Graviton]

Bird, Wilt, Shaq, Kobe, Hakeem have no cases over him. He is Top 5 at least.

Taking into account the fact Duncan is an impactful big man on both ends, with consistent 15 years of varying greatness. 5 rings, 3 FMVPs, 2 MVPs, 14 time All-Star, 10x NBA 1st Team, 3x 2nd Team, 8x All D 1st team, 6x All D 2nd team, rookie of the year, along with all kinds of playoff records. He can not be lower than Top 5 based on resume alone.

Only ones with good cases over him are Jordan, Russell, Kareem. Magic is about 50/50.

[LeBird]

This makes no sense. You don't have Kobe in the top 10, but you have LeBron in the top 10? That's not to say LeBron won't end up there, because he definitely will when it's said and done, but as of right now LeBron is just out of the top 10 and Kobe is definitely in.

Er, why?

Lebron shits on Kobe on an individual level and has taken his team further as a leader as well. And he still has many years ahead of him. It's not even close. Kobe's a better free-throw taker, that's about it.

Give Lebron Shaq at his peak and they win 6 rings at least, maybe in a row.

[sportjames23]

This is where I would put him at.. You have to consider he has never played with a true superstar..

David Robinson?

[SexSymbol]

Er, why?

Lebron shits on Kobe on an individual level and has taken his team further as a leader as well. And he still has many years ahead of him. It's not even close. Kobe's a better free-throw taker, that's about it.

Give Lebron Shaq at his peak and they win 6 rings at least, maybe in a row.
Kobe is far greater individually.
Much better offensive weapon and there's even a bigger gap between them defensively. No to mention 5 > 2/5 and against far greater competition too.
At this point in time LeBron has no case over Kobe

[DMV2]

David Robinson?
Twilight years D-Rob though.

[LeBird]

Kobe is far greater individually.
Much better offensive weapon and there's even a bigger gap between them defensively. No to mention 5 > 2/5 and against far greater competition too.
At this point in time LeBron has no case over Kobe

He's a much better offensive weapon? Lebron averages more and is more efficient to boot. He also facilitates much better and has more assists per game as well. :lol

Like...it isn't even close. :oldlol:

[SexSymbol]

He's a much better offensive weapon? Lebron averages more and is more efficient to boot. He also facilitates much better and has more assists per game as well. :lol

Like...it isn't even close. :oldlol:
Of course it isn't close.
Kobe never shies from the moment and always TRIES. Oh and he doesn't statpad his way into high FG% in the regular season :cheers:
You have absolutely no understanding of basketball whatsoever, literally nothing besides stats.

[strike first]

He surpasses Kobe for the era they both play in no doubt

[Rocketswin2013]

Tim Duncan -> TOP 5 All-time

Tim Duncan made the impossible possible : David (Spurs) defeated Goliath (Lakers)


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-y5VpWXb-A8U/U55qxhebxgI/AAAAAAAAC9k/XcQapoSZp10/s1600/10.jpg



The Kareem of this era

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-quHhy7FJk-0/U5whF11N62I/AAAAAAAAC8k/oeeULcEGIos/s1600/3.jpg
Where is this from?

[houston]

You can put him above Shaq but under Kobe. Duncan wasn't a top ten player on championship team like Kobe was.

[GimmeThat]

top 5.

he wins ring #6, and he has an argument against Kareem/Magic if he doesn't already.

[T_L_P]

At 38, Tim Duncan becomes the oldest player to average 15+ points and 10+ rebounds in the Finals, breaking his own record from last year.

[jcsrplumply]

At 38, Tim Duncan becomes the oldest player to average 15+ points and 10+ rebounds in the Finals, breaking his own record from last year.
:applause: :applause:

[BurningHammer]

At 38, Tim Duncan becomes the oldest player to average 15+ points and 10+ rebounds in the Finals, breaking his own record from last year.
He can just keep on going til 50. :rockon:

[MadeFromDust]

I almost wanted to make a new topic for this, but I'll bury it here instead. I hope Duncan retires now while he is on top. I know people like David Robinson and Avery Johnson believe there is nothing stopping the Spurs from another championship next year, but mannnn I would just like to see him go out with a ring just like the Admiral did and let the Spurs sink or swim on their own from here on out.

[Dbrog]

1- MJ
2- Russell
3- Kareem
4- Wilt
5- Duncan
the rest...

This is the top5 as well in my opinion. Bird can't be ranked ahead of duncan now and debatable whether magic can.

[Legends66NBA7]

At 38, Tim Duncan becomes the oldest player to average 15+ points and 10+ rebounds in the Finals, breaking his own record from last year.

Here's the thing, Duncan was better last year than he was this year. If people are saying he's Top 5, then he should have been Top 5 last year regardless of the Spurs not winning the title.

Oh well, I guess winning really changes the perspective of these lists.

[Ne 1]

let them have it. They are simply testing the waters....LeTards like OP are butthurt clowns.

This. What's funny is OP is a known LeBron stan. I'm a huge Lakers and Kobe fan, but I wont argue with anybody who wants to put Duncan up there with him or over him. They are both clearly etched in as 2 of the greatest players ever among the top 5-10 tier.

Guess who's not in that conversation? :lebroncry:

The dude that is 2 of 5 in the Finals and got completely bailed out in 1 of the 2 he did win a and was pretty much an afterthought throughout 5.75/7 games of that series. In this series, a true great would have said fu*k this shit I'm going for 50 and if we lose, so be it, at least 1 time if I have to go down, I'm going down swinging. Not this self proclaimed 'king' though, he's happy to be passive and keep spreading the ball around and deferring while he's getting blown the fu*k out 3 straight games and twice on his home floor while getting outperformed by a role player ala 2011 Jason Terry all over again. That's your king. :yaohappy:

[oarabbus]

Tim Duncan is unquestionably a better and more impactful player than Kobe Bryant.

[bdreason]

I have him at #6 all-time.

[Cold soul]

Tim Duncan is unquestionably a better and more impactful player than Kobe Bryant.

Not even close to being true, but whatever makes you sleep better at night.

[talkingconch]

lmao @ top 5, what an overreaction

[oarabbus]

Not even close to being true, but whatever makes you sleep better at night.


Basketball is a big man's game ultimately. Shaq had more impact than Kobe too.

[chopchop20]

Who's resume would you rather have?

I'll take Kobe's....

[chopchop20]

Basketball is a big man's game ultimately. Shaq had more impact than Kobe too.

So implicitly... Shaq had more impact than MJ too?

[Ne 1]

:facepalm at people dismissing him as a "role player." He's been there most consistent player during these playoffs, and he was their best player during last year's playoffs, too. He's still their defensive anchor. And he's f*cking 38.



Honestly, Duncan right now....is sort of like where David Robinson was during the 1999 season. Still an elite defensive player and a solid all around player, but the veteran leader being carried by the team. Tony Parker, Khawi Leonard (and maybe even Manu Ginobili) are the best players and the lifeblood of the Spurs. To pretend like Duncan was out there dominating averaging 25pts/15rbs/4blks a game like he USED to be able to do is very disingenuous.

[chopchop20]

Honestly, Duncan right now....is sort of like where David Robinson was during the 1999 season. Still an elite defensive player and a solid all around player, but the veteran leader being carried by the team. Tony Parker, Khawi Leonard (and maybe even Manu Ginobili) are the best players and the lifeblood of the Spurs. To pretend like Duncan was out there dominating averaging 25pts/15rbs/4blks a game like he USED to be able to do is very disingenuous.

Timmie even called himself a role player... nuff' said

[Cold soul]

Basketball is a big man's game ultimately. Shaq had more impact than Kobe too.

In that case did Hakeem, Shaq, and Duncan have more impact on the game than MJ or Magic for example?

[Soundwave]

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Russell
4. Wilt
5. Kobe
6. Magic
7. Duncan
8. Shaq
9. Bird
10. LeBron

Is kinda where I have it right now but the gap from 5 to 9 is pretty small.

LeBron falls a bit by losing again in the Finals but if can win a third title as the no.1 option, I would rank him above Bird and probably Shaq too (1 less title, but more MVPs).

[rmt]

If you think Duncan is a role player, then so is everybody else. Below are the 2014 playoff stats without tonight's numbers:

Duncan 16.4 pts / 9.2 rebs / 2.1 assts / 1.4 blks 52.4%FG
Leonard 13.9 pts / 7.4 rebs / 1.8 assts / 0.9 blks 50.2%
Parker 17.5 pts / 2 rebs / 5 assts / 0.7 stls 49.1%
Ginobili 14.1 pts / 3.2 rebs / 4.1 assts / 1.6 sts 43.4%

IMO, Duncan's resume is better than Bird, Shaq, Kobe and Hakeem - so at worst #6. Wilt is difficult to judge - a bit like Lebron's - individual dominance but not resulting in lots of championships. So, i have Duncan in the 5-6 range.

[Artillery]

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqOE5wxCAAAuMFY.jpg

Clearly ahead of Kirby

[houston]

dude was just a role player this year but accoring to dominance and things of that nature. He top 6


Jordan
Russell
Kobe
Magic
Kareem

They had more of impact on championship teams than him.I'll put him over Shaq due to the ring and being useful as a bigman better past his prime.

[Artillery]

dude was just a role player this year but accoring to dominance and things of that nature. He top 6


Jordan
Russell
Kobe
Magic
Kareem

They had more of impact on championship teams than him.I'll put him over Shaq due to the ring and being useful as a bigman better past his prime.

You're confusing 2014 Duncan with 2000 Kobe.

[Mr Feeny]

Kobe is far greater individually.
Much better offensive weapon and there's even a bigger gap between them defensively. No to mention 5 > 2/5 and against far greater competition too.
At this point in time LeBron has no case over Kobe

Did you really just say that Kobe is better than Lebron INDIVIDUALLY? What drugs are you on?:biggums:

[Flush]

How can kobe be ranked higher than Duncan? These finals made a lock for Duncan being above Kobe all-time.

[AirFederer]

I`m not big on these all time list ISH are soooo obsessed with, but I have Timmy D higher than Wilt. Because of winning. Timmy is pretty much an ultimate winner.

This is a team game, Tim did what was best for winning and he always has. He could have gone out to score 25-27 ppg, but that`s not what he`s about.

He`s also the ultimate non stat padder.

MJ
-
-
-
Kareem
Magic
Bird
Duncan
-
-
-
the rest.

(Kobe at 12-14th).

[houston]

You're confusing 2014 Duncan with 2000 Kobe.


Nah one was All-NBA second team/all-star/all-defensive first team

while the other one................


:roll:

[Mr Feeny]

Nah one was All-NBA second team/all-star/all-defensive first team

while the other one................


:roll:

What does this have to do with their performances in those respective finals?:no:

[D-Wade316]

1. Russell
2. Jordan
3-4. Kareem/Duncan
5-6. Shaq/Wilt

Lowest is #4, highest is #3.

[BlackVVaves]

Nah one was All-NBA second team/all-star/all-defensive first team

while the other one................


:roll:

While the other was top 10 in defensive win shares, after coming off a year where he was top 3 in DPOY voting, and averaged 15 and 10 in the Finals.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Nah one was All-NBA second team/all-star/all-defensive first team

while the other one................


:roll:


I'll finish this for you.

....plays on a team so ridiculously stacked, he can coast averaging 32 minutes a night in the playoffs, and still win a title.

[houston]

What does this have to do with their performances in those respective finals?:no:


you bragging on 15,10,2 :oldlol: with a role player getting Finals MVP


Regular season still matters when it comes to judging the greats and Kobe perform at a higher level.

[JellyBean]

I still have Kobe higher than Duncan on my all-time list.

1. Kareem
2. Michael Jordan
3. Wilt
4. Russell
5. Magic
6. Shaq
7. Kobe
8.Duncan
9. Larry
10. LeBron

[DMV2]

:oldlol: Of course, Kobe phggots would try to diminished anything another great player does.

Come back when Kobe forces a Game 7 and beats a superstacked team in two consecutive Finals match-up's at age 37 and 38 while coming very close to a 4th F-MVP. Oh wait, never mind! The rapist might not ever play again. :roll:

Dumbfcks need to realize that EVERBODY on the Spurs are role players. That's why you had Manu and Duncan ushering the comeback in the 2nd Quarter. That's why you had Diaw orchestrating the offense sets. That's why Parker and Mills blew the game out by middle of the 4th Q.

And another thing, Kobe's 2000 Finals ring ain't worth shit when he only played 4 full games out of the possible 6. Shaq was so dominant that any shit chucker could have won it with him.

[kurple]

His numbers were barely above role-player status this season. Are you people nuts?
So what? It's all about impact, not #'s

[kurple]

Mj
Kareem
Russell

Duncan
Bird
Wilt
Magic

Shaq
Kobe
Hakeem

[kurple]

I`m not big on these all time list ISH are soooo obsessed with, but I have Timmy D higher than Wilt. Because of winning. Timmy is pretty much an ultimate winner.

This is a team game, Tim did what was best for winning and he always has. He could have gone out to score 25-27 ppg, but that`s not what he`s about.

He`s also the ultimate non stat padder.

MJ
-
-
-
Kareem
Magic
Bird
Duncan
-
-
-
the rest.

(Kobe at 12-14th).you talk about wilt and Duncan as the ultimate winner. What about Russell?

[DMV2]

Mj
Kareem
Russell

Duncan
Bird
Wilt
Magic

Shaq
Kobe
Hakeem
I really like this list. I might go with...

1-2. MJ/KAJ (interchangeable depending on criteria)
3-7. Russell/Wilt/Duncan/Magic/Bird (interchangeable also)
8-10. Shaq/Hakeem/Kobe (interchangeable also, but with Shaq being the solid #8 for most people)

Duncan used in be in the 7-10 range, so winning this 5th ring definitely boosted his legacy. He's probably still stuck on #7 by most people's list but at least he's the sole owner of #7.

[BoutPractice]

Depends what you're ranking, honestly. By some criteria Duncan would easily be top 3, by others only top 10...

Trying to take everything into account (the usual stuff: level of play, peak, longevity, winning record, individual accolades, character and the storytelling, myth making function of greatness, where the great figure comes to "exemplify" one or more virtues), I had him in the 4-6 range at the beginning of the year, or to be more specific the second highest tier of all time greats. This hasn't changed, but the case for #4 has become stronger and the case for #6 weaker.

Basically I think you probably have to concede that MJ, Kareem, and Russell have a greater legacy, each for different reasons. Then Wilt is an enigma... he was so dominant individually that you feel like you have to reserve a spot for him in the top 4. You have to give him the benefit of the doubt... he wasn't exactly a "loser", you can't point to evidence that he's responsible for his team "only" winning 2 titles and losing many Finals. So if we admit his individual achievements were not the primary cause for his team losing, but serious contributions towards an effort to win games (something we believe of just about any other player), they have to count somehow... and if we start counting them, well, you know what these individual achievements are like.

Bird was as good or better than Duncan at his peak and is generally a formidable human being but Duncan more than makes up for it with longevity and accolades. Magic has as many titles, 1 more MVP and his offensive contribution was nothing short of legendary but he only controlled one side of the court whereas peak Duncan controlled both...

Finally Shaq had the peak and underrated longevity, but after the early Miami days there is something "disgraceful" about the end of his career, going from team to team chasing rings, each time contributing less and less and not particularly fitting team chemistry. It fits nicely into the overall picture of a Shaq whose actual production at his best dwarfed almost everyone else, but who had a number of flaws stemming from his character that made him achieve less than he could have. Even though I value the facts above the rest, questions of work ethic and leadership are legitimate grounds for evaluating greatness, as they appear in the judgment of experts and casual fans alike.

In terms of what Duncan represents, he's somewhere between the Russell and the Kareem of this era. Two words define him: winning and consistency.

[T_L_P]

Depends what you're ranking, honestly. By some criteria Duncan would easily be top 3, by others only top 10...

Trying to take everything into account (the usual stuff: level of play, peak, longevity, winning record, individual accolades, character and the storytelling, myth making function of greatness, where the great figure comes to "exemplify" one or more virtues), I had him in the 4-6 range at the beginning of the year, or to be more specific the second highest tier of all time greats. This hasn't changed, but the case for #4 has become stronger and the case for #6 weaker.

Basically I think you probably have to concede that MJ, Kareem, and Russell have a greater legacy, each for different reasons. Then Wilt is an enigma... he was so dominant individually that you feel like you have to reserve a spot for him in the top 4. You have to give him the benefit of the doubt... he wasn't exactly a "loser", you can't point to evidence that he's responsible for his team "only" winning 2 titles and losing many Finals. So if we admit his individual achievements were not the primary cause for his team losing, but serious contributions towards an effort to win games (something we believe of just about any other player), they have to count somehow... and if we start counting them, well, you know what these individual achievements are like.

Bird was as good or better than Duncan at his peak and is generally a formidable human being but Duncan more than makes up for it with longevity and accolades. Magic has as many titles, 1 more MVP and his offensive contribution was nothing short of legendary but he only controlled one side of the court whereas peak Duncan controlled both...

Finally Shaq had the peak and underrated longevity, but after the early Miami days there is something "disgraceful" about the end of his career, going from team to team chasing rings, each time contributing less and less and not particularly fitting team chemistry. It fits nicely into the overall picture of a Shaq whose actual production at his best dwarfed almost everyone else, but who had a number of flaws stemming from his character that made him achieve less than he could have. Even though I value the facts above the rest, questions of work ethic and leadership are legitimate grounds for evaluating greatness, as they appear in the judgment of experts and casual fans alike.

In terms of what Duncan represents, he's somewhere between the Russell and the Kareem of this era. Two words define him: winning and consistency.

http://mashable.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/crying-waterfalls.gif

[DCL]

in terms of career achievements.... he definitely outdid shaq.

but prime shaq or prime duncan? still taking prime fat ass lazy shaq.

[EwingMan]

mj/russell/kareem
wilt

magic/bird/duncan
lebron/kobe
shaq

hakeem/oscar/west/moses/hondo

[hawkfan]

Tim Duncan's biggest legacy is as the best GM of all time.
Dude is ruthless.

[BoutPractice]

Just a few fun facts to keep Duncan's career in perspective...

When he started winning championships, there were only about 200 million Internet users, or 4% of the world population. There was no Facebook, no Twitter, no Piratebay. Smartphones didn't exist. The iPod hadn't been released. The use of Windows 97 was widespread. Bill Clinton, Boris Ieltsin were leading their respective countries. Jon Stewart had just started presenting the Daily Show. Britney Spears was topping the charts, and the hottest thing in music was the Slim Shady LP (while Mos Def released the classic Black on Both Sides). Video games released that year included the first Soul Calibur, Silent Hill, and Chrono Cross. Star Wars: Episode I The Phantom Menace divided the world while The Matrix took it by storm. Night Shyamalan actually surprised people with his first plot twist. Other films released that year include Fight Club, Sleepy Hollow, The Blair Witch Project, Austin Powers, American Pie. A revolutionary new TV show called The Sopranos was airing for the first time. Finally and most strangely to modern ears, the New York Knicks were relevant.

Duncan's body of work spans two almost entirely different worlds. A War on Terror, 2 recessions and recoveries, countless wars and revolutions from Africa to the Middle East, and Duncan is still out there winning championships.

[Jlamb47]

Duncan > Bird and Magic

Duncan is a better 2 way player then them. At this age and his defense still elite idk how anyone could put him behind. Larry and Magic defense is overrated.

Mj
Kareem
Duncan
Kobe
Shaq
Bird
Magic
Hakeem
Lebron

[c5terror]

Sure #7 spot,
solid argument for # 6-5 spot
can be argue at #4 if you push it(but still pretty weak in my opinion).

[DMAVS41]

I think I'll vault him up over Magic for 3rd on my list now. It's really close here though...

He's for sure ahead of the Kobe/Hakeem/Lebron tier. And should be ahead of Shaq/Bird/Wilt as well in my opinion.

My new list would look something like this;

1. MJ
2. Russell
3. Duncan
4. Magic
5. Kareem
6. Wilt
7. Bird
8. Shaq
9. Hakeem
10. Kobe

[T_L_P]

Sure #7 spot,
solid argument for # 6-5 spot
can be argue at #4 if you push it(but still pretty weak in my opinion).

I personally have Duncan ranked fourth or fifth, behind Jordan, Kareem and Russell, and perhaps Magic.

Wilt wasn't a great team player, Shaq didn't want it bad enough and won less with five times as many superstars, LeBron hasn't proved it yet, and Bird doesn't have the longevity.

Duncan just did everything he could to win, and his peak is severly underrated.

[DMAVS41]

I personally have Duncan ranked fourth or fifth, behind Jordan, Kareem and Russell, and perhaps Magic.

Wilt wasn't a great team player, Shaq didn't want it bad enough and won less with five times as many superstars, LeBron hasn't proved it yet, and Bird doesn't have the longevity.

Duncan just did everything he could to win, and his peak is severly underrated.

Yea, that is the big problem with a lot on the forum now...I don't think they saw Duncan from 99 through 08 really....

He was insanely good on both ends.

Take a look at this...from 99 through 08 in the playoffs;

24/13/4 with 3 blocks per game 55% TS

110 ortg 97 drtg ws/48 l215

That is an insane 10 year run in the playoffs in which he won 4 titles.

And that doesn't include a first team all nba rookie year...nor does it include how gracefully he's aged from 09 to present.

[aau]

Give Lebron Shaq at his peak.


damn

stern , wade , bosh , ray allen and the
eastern conference isn't enough




can't be all that



does he need pau too

[Stringer Bell]

Somewhere in the top 10.

The highest-ranked among active players at the moment.

[Carbine]

I think I'll vault him up over Magic for 3rd on my list now. It's really close here though...

He's for sure ahead of the Kobe/Hakeem/Lebron tier. And should be ahead of Shaq/Bird/Wilt as well in my opinion.

My new list would look something like this;

1. MJ
2. Russell
3. Duncan
4. Magic
5. Kareem
6. Wilt
7. Bird
8. Shaq
9. Hakeem
10. Kobe

What's the reasoning putting Kareem below Duncan?

[IllegalD]

Below Kobe. But ahead of Shaq and LeBron. Big Fundamentals! :applause:

[Anaximandro1]

btw, Duncan's peak is criminally underrated.

peak Duncan was a Shaq / Garnett hybrid.


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GuIFOn4tlRk/U58bMZKd_DI/AAAAAAAAC_U/oGOhjbpEVco/s1600/17.jpg

[DMAVS41]

What's the reasoning putting Kareem below Duncan?

I like Duncan more.

[red1]

duncan is top 5. 38 f*cking years old and still one of the best bigs in the league

[longhornfan1234]

I have Duncan at 6.

1. MJ
2. Wilt
3. Kareem
4. Magic
5. Russell
6. Duncan
7. Bird
8. Shaq
9. Kobe
10. LeBron

[Rocketswin2013]

btw, Duncan's peak is criminally underrated.

peak Duncan was a Shaq / Garnett hybrid.


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GuIFOn4tlRk/U58bMZKd_DI/AAAAAAAAC_U/oGOhjbpEVco/s1600/17.jpg
........Where are you getting those comparisons in that format?

[aau]

titles > kobe's

colluded
lock out
ref aided
stern aided
4th/5th option

doesn't matter as long as they can scream shaq

saw a post earlier that said

jordan 0 rings without pippen
magic 0 rings without kareem
duncan 0 rings without drob tp manu
bird 0 rings without maxwell mchale parish

kobe 0 rings without shaq - - - - - didn't see it


but given all that
even with his lockout and 4th option titles
duncan moves up to dead-even or slightly ahead
of kobe for no other reason than putting a stop to that

colluded madness



thank you tim

kawhi - parker - manu - patty - boris and pop



that was great to watch

[BoutPractice]

How does "second leading scorer" turn into "4th/5th option"?

[Dragonyeuw]

Jordan
Kareem
Wilt
Russell

Are my top 4, in whatever order. I think you can put him in the magic/bird category, between 5-7. I think this title puts his legacy overall above Kobe and Shaq.

[aau]

How does "second leading scorer" turn into "4th/5th option"?


when kawhi parker manu and patty mills shoot
the frikkin lights out like nobody's business

[Doctor Rivers]

I have Duncan at 6.

1. MJ
2. Wilt
3. Kareem
4. Magic
5. Russell
6. Duncan
7. Bird
8. Shaq
9. Kobe
10. LeBron

this is it

[T_L_P]

when kawhi parker manu and patty mills shoot
the frikkin lights out like nobody's business

Parker in the Playoffs: .531 TS%
Duncan: .568 TS%
Patty: .573

Lights out though

[aau]

Parker in the Playoffs: .531 TS%
Duncan: .568 TS%
Patty: .573

Lights out though


i watch games

you keep watching them boxes

[T_L_P]

i watch games

you keep watching them boxes

Shooting lights out is now contingent on the eye test, not the number of shots that go in.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[tpols]

Parker in the Playoffs: .531 TS%
Duncan: .568 TS%
Patty: .573

Lights out though

Do you really want to argue that spurs were blowing the heat out more with big men paint scoring than their outside shooting?

Duncan's one of the greatest winners ever.. But he wasn't fueling any of those runs.

[T_L_P]

Do you really want to argue that spurs were blowing the heat out more with big men paint scoring than their outside shooting?

Duncan's one of the greatest winners ever.. But he wasn't fueling any of those runs.

No, but he said he was the the option this postseason, not just the Finals.

[aau]

Shooting lights out is now contingent on the eye test, not the number of shots that go in.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


hate that eye test shit

what if eyes are crooked like yours
only see the shit they want to see

or maybe that was duncan i saw hitting all them shots




then who was that on the bench like they had poms-poms

[MadeFromDust]

Just a few fun facts to keep Duncan's career in perspective...

...Windows 97 was widespread...
:coleman: