LeBron's Expectations/Standarts

[ArbitraryWater]

Kawi Leonard is the 2014 Finals MVP with Averages of:

17.8 PPG / 6.4 RPG / 2.0 APG / 1.6 SPG = 18/6/2/2 on 61%

You know who those statistics remind me of?

LeBron's 2011 Finals:

17.8 PPG / 7.2 RPG / 6.8 APG / 1.7 SPG = 18/7/7/2 on 48%

(Now obviously the Kobe fans don't care about fg%, efficiency doesn't mean shit...)

I'm not saying Kawhi played shit, I'm saying LeBron played good.
He had a Magic/Bird type finals series.
Not great, good.
Problem for LeBron, his standarts/ceiling is much higher... He needs to be/should be, great... He was the team's best player in 3 of 6 games (game 1 + game 5 + game 6), but for the team to win he needs to be the best at all times, he needs to be great.
Yet he still came close to another title/finals mvp.

The fact he was slayed for this series just shows you how superior he is to Magic/Bird, who both have pulled off indentical finals series'.
And won doing so...
Magic in '82: 16/11/8
Magic in '83: 19/8/13 on 40%
Magic in '84: 18/8/14
Magic in '85: 18/7/14
Magic in '89: 12/4/8
Magic in '91: 19/8/12 on 43%
Bird in '81: 15/15/7 on 42%

People were praising the all-around game. Of course not all of those series' are good, but when LeBron gives you a near 20/7/7 on 50% series, that's good, despite the low 4th quarter scoring and 8 point game.


Oh, and Kawhi will have a Pippen type career...

[Real14]

somebody mad:roll:

[ArbitraryWater]

It's funny LeBron had a better finals AND post-season than Kobe ever had :lol (yet again)

[sportjames23]

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[Real14]

It's funny LeBron had a better finals AND post-season than Kobe ever had :lol (yet again)
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[ArbitraryWater]

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Freeman cracks me up

[BoutPractice]

You just underscored how bad LeBron was in those Finals.

[wally_world]

So why didn't LeBron win the 2011 FMVP? :lol

[rule1223]

lebron continues to deceive his stans with his stats, is there any wonder lebron fans have the lowest average iq?

[Derka]

I wouldn't expect the consensus best player in the world to sit for the last seven mintues of an elimination game, that's for sure.

[Real14]

I wouldn't expect the consensus best player in the world to sit for the last seven mintues of an elimination game, that's for sure.
:applause:

[B-hoop]

Learn english fakkit.

Standards

[ArbitraryWater]

Learn english fakkit.

Standards

Corrected my great friend :cheers:

[ArbitraryWater]

So why didn't LeBron win the 2011 FMVP? :lol

His team lost... that's how sport goes :cheers:

[dannywpt]

Thread rated 2/5 stars - "Bad"

[Real14]

His team lost... that's how sport goes :cheers:
why his team lost tho?:lol

[GimmeThat]

Ray Allen = Manu Ginobili

Case Closed.

[Warfan]

You're really trying to prop up brons final performance? :roll:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3kKxtSQa-4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Cbt2UXgB2M


Most pathetic series ive ever seen from a superstar.


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[hitmanyr2k]

Kawi Leonard is the 2014 Finals MVP with Averages of:

17.8 PPG / 6.4 RPG / 2.0 APG / 1.6 SPG = 18/6/2/2 on 61%

You know who those statistics remind me of?

LeBron's 2011 Finals:

17.8 PPG / 7.2 RPG / 6.8 APG / 1.7 SPG = 18/7/7/2 on 48%

(Now obviously the Kobe fans don't care about fg%, efficiency doesn't mean shit...)

I'm not saying Kawhi played shit, I'm saying LeBron played good.
He had a Magic/Bird type finals series.
Not great, good.
Problem for LeBron, his standarts/ceiling is much higher... He needs to be/should be, great... He was the team's best player in 3 of 6 games (game 1 + game 5 + game 6), but for the team to win he needs to be the best at all times, he needs to be great.
Yet he still came close to another title/finals mvp.

The fact he was slayed for this series just shows you how superior he is to Magic/Bird, who both have pulled off indentical finals series'.
And won doing so...
Magic in '82: 16/11/8
Magic in '83: 19/8/13 on 40%
Magic in '84: 18/8/14
Magic in '85: 18/7/14
Magic in '89: 12/4/8
Magic in '91: 19/8/12 on 43%
Bird in '81: 15/15/7 on 42%

People were praising the all-around game. Of course not all of those series' are good, but when LeBron gives you a near 20/7/7 on 50% series, that's good, despite the low 4th quarter scoring and 8 point game.


Oh, and Kawhi will have a Pippen type career...

Stats don't tell the whole story. The difference is Lebron had no player of his caliber guarding him in the 2011 Finals and he still wilted as the series went on playing hot potato with the ball standing around looking passive and scared. Kawhi Leonard had "supposedly" the greatest player on the planet guarding him and only got stronger and more confident as the series went on and continued to make impact plays on both ends of the floor.

[Dresta]

One was playing awesome defense and shooting on remarkable efficiency; the other went AWOL in each 4th quarter, was getting blown by by the likes of Jason Terry, and basically just played like shit without even having an elite defender guarding him.

Seriously OP, every single one of your posts is just :facepalm

[nathanjizzle]

really? youre using stats to try to convince people that both were the same performances when clearly lebron shit his pants and kawi was a key factor in winning.

[ArbitraryWater]

Eh, LeBron's defense in 2011 was amazing... especially before the finals. IMO, arguably his best defensive season.. dude was a bull, one-on-one and great at helping as he's always been.

The season he was blackmailed from the media. 9th in DPOY ranking and 3rd in MVP ranking... ok :oldlol:

Yeah, his 4th quarters made 2011 worse... his defense was fine.

[ArbitraryWater]

You're really trying to prop up brons final performance? :roll:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3kKxtSQa-4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Cbt2UXgB2M


Most pathetic series ive ever seen from a superstar.


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Did you just sent me a "Brick Mix" where he was shooting 48% throughout the series, and then an opponent calling him "bitch" ? :lol

Cmon bro, you better than that

[Heavincent]

Eh, LeBron's defense in 2011 was amazing... especially before the finals. IMO, arguably his best defensive season.. dude was a bull, one-on-one and great at helping as he's always been.

The season he was blackmailed from the media. 9th in DPOY ranking and 3rd in MVP ranking... ok :oldlol:

Yeah, his 4th quarters made 2011 worse... his defense was fine.

He quit on defense in the Finals. Got lit up by Jason Terry :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

He quit on defense in the Finals. Got lit up by Jason Terry :oldlol:

Can't do much when the guy is hitting 30 feet bombs with a hand in his face on a late shotclock.. just gotta give props :cheers:

Great offense beats great defense... thats how it is, kids :applause:

[Dresta]

Can't do much when the guy is hitting 30 feet bombs with a hand in his face on a late shotclock.. just gotta give props :cheers:

Great offense beats great defense... thats how it is, kids :applause:
He was getting blown by by Jason Terry. Go watch the series again because you've evidently blocked it from your mind.

[DMV2]

Yeah, agreed with Dresta and Heavincent. Scoreboard won't show how shitty LeBron played on the defensive end. His D was bad in 2011 Finals but even more pathetic this year.

Game 3 Leonard abused him in the post, while Green burned him with a handful of easy baskets.

[ArbitraryWater]

He was getting blown by by Jason Terry. Go watch the series again because you've evidently blocked it from your mind.

That was one epic finals series mang... I flipped out when Jet hit that 3.

I actually wanted Chicago to beat your team because I feared Miami would beat Mavs... Dirk :applause: :applause: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Heavincent]

Can't do much when the guy is hitting 30 feet bombs with a hand in his face on a late shotclock.. just gotta give props :cheers:

Great offense beats great defense... thats how it is, kids :applause:

No. He was halfheartedly swiping at the ball as Terry blew by him. Very James Haren esque.

[ArbitraryWater]

No. He was halfheartedly swiping at the ball as Terry blew by him. Very James Haren esque.

Eh, a play here or there won't change his defense in the big picture much... We all make mistakes, friend :cheers:

[chazzy]

What a pathetic thread. It's like you didn't watch that series

[Bandito]

Op dont even compare 2011 stats with Kawhi's because with the spurs not only is the system different, designed for everyone open to take a shot. In the heat iso play it is designed for Lebron ball so he has the green light to shoot anything he wants.

Also something you dont see in the stats is that Lebron had horrible games in the finals due to him getting dominated in 2011 in 4th quarters in some games making his average go down.

And there's that infamous 8 pt game...


Please....Lebron shat the bed in 2011 , accept it and move on.

[Bandito]

I wouldn't expect the consensus best player in the world to sit for the last seven mintues of an elimination game, that's for sure.
Also this.

He gave up yet again, didnt even go down fighting.

[ArbitraryWater]

Goddamn people are so uptight :lol

And you'd think I should be the mad one considering "LeBron lost" the finals :oldlol:

BUT BUT LEBRON GAVE UP!! DIDNT GO DOWN FIGHTING!!!

I do like Kobe going out swinging... those 7-21 33% in 2004, 7-22 32% in 2008 and 7-18 39% for 17 points in 2011 changed the way I view him... bumped him out the top 14

[Bandito]

Eh, LeBron's defense in 2011 was amazing... especially before the finals. IMO, arguably his best defensive season.. dude was a bull, one-on-one and great at helping as he's always been.

The season he was blackmailed from the media. 9th in DPOY ranking and 3rd in MVP ranking... ok :oldlol:

Yeah, his 4th quarters made 2011 worse... his defense was fine.
Somebody give him a napkin so he can clean the semen out of his eyes. The boy is blind I tell you!!!!


And deaf apparently somebody give him so Q-tips, he probably has some semen lodged in there too. .....!!!

[ArbitraryWater]

Somebody give him a napkin so he can clean the semen out of his eyes. The boy is blind I tell you!!!!


And deaf apparently somebody give him so Q-tips, he probably has some semen lodged in there too. .....!!!

....!!!!

[Bandito]

Goddamn people are so uptight :lol

And you'd think I should be the mad one considering "LeBron lost" the finals :oldlol:

BUT BUT LEBRON GAVE UP!! DIDNT GO DOWN FIGHTING!!!

I do like Kobe going out swining... those 7-21 33% in 2004, 7-22 32% in 2008 and 7-18 39% for 17 points in 2011 changed the way I view him... bumped him out the top 14
So mad...:roll:


Hes even talking about Kobe for some reason....


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[ArbitraryWater]

So mad...:roll:


Hes even talking about Kobe for some reason....


5>2


Considering your all sitting on his cawk, yeah I am :lol

I got y'all fuming infront of yo Computers right now :oldlol:

These ****** thought they'd be getting the upper-hand now that the Spurs won :oldlol:







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[SexSymbol]

Goddamn people are so uptight :lol

And you'd think I should be the mad one considering "LeBron lost" the finals :oldlol:

BUT BUT LEBRON GAVE UP!! DIDNT GO DOWN FIGHTING!!!

I do like Kobe going out swinging... those 7-21 33% in 2004, 7-22 32% in 2008 and 7-18 39% for 17 points in 2011 changed the way I view him... bumped him out the top 14
You're an idiot...
complete idiot

[ArbitraryWater]

You're an idiot...
complete idiot

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[chazzy]

Some advice.. when defending your favorite player after a finals loss, I wouldn't start by defending one of his worst finals performance. You won't get anywhere. Admire the ambition though.

[Bandito]

Op so mad hes not even making sense. He must be delirious because his hero was nowhere to be seen in the 4th quarter yet again.

[SexSymbol]

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You couldn't see an obvious joke if it hit you in the frickin eye mate :cheers:
And even if I didn't know who doctor was, it is still 10x smarter than what you have written in this agenda driven logic missing thread

[ArbitraryWater]

Some advice.. when defending your favorite player after a finals loss, I wouldn't start by defending one of his worst finals performance. You won't get anywhere. Admire the ambition though.

Thanks :cheers:

[ArbitraryWater]

You couldn't see an obvious joke if it hit you in the frickin eye mate :cheers:
And even if I didn't know who doctor was, it is still 10x smarter than what you have written in this agenda driven logic missing thread

Ya, if it was a joke you wouldn't have just posted that :oldlol:

You're a retard, complete retard... Waste of a human.

[Mr Feeny]

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OMG

[ArbitraryWater]

OMG

I can't stand kids like him.. no clue about the history of basketball :facepalm

[TMT]

Seriously? Comparing him to Kobe and posting Kawhi's stats and saying it reminds you of Lebron's 2011 Finals? :facepalm Clearly two huge different situations, can't believe that even needs to be said.

People need to stop desperately trying to prevent Lebron's legacy from being tarnished. It wasn't all his fault, but he lost. Get over it, you guys will have Melo to help him in a few months anyway.

[SexSymbol]

I can't stand kids like him.. no clue about the history of basketball :facepalm
You haven't even watched the 2011 finals and you try to insult me on not knowing the history of basketball when I have spent months looking for information about players from the 60s and 70s if not years.
Not only that you proceed to call me a waste of a human being lol. This is just sad, grow up

[Clyde]

It's funny LeBron had a better finals AND post-season than Kobe ever had :lol (yet again)

and yet he lost....again.

Stats aren't everything

[Mr Feeny]

and yet he lost....again.

Stats aren't everything

Exactly, because winning is a TEAM accomplishment. It is the same reason that Lebron is a better player than Kobe despite 2<5.
Thx for pointing that out!

[DMAVS41]

The lack of Lebron's ability to dominate an entire game outside of game 2 can't be just shrugged off.

Where was he during these runs on both ends? How did he basically get outplayed by Leonard over the last 3 games of this series?

Nobody should say Lebron played poorly or was the one that cost the Heat, but he also wasn't great. He didn't dominate outside of game 2. He didn't do things to the Spurs to make them uncomfortable...especially in tough times or in the 2nd halfs of games.

Again, the standards for Lebron are high because his fans say he's top 5 ever.

Well, guess what, you don't get to be top 5 ever...rolling over like that. You compare him to Kobe or Hakeem...yea...this doesn't hurt him.

But you compare him to guys like Kareem, Magic, Russell, MJ, and Duncan???

This doesn't hurt him, but it doesn't help him either. He's got a long way to go whether you stans like it or not.

2 titles in 4 years? Meh...average given the circumstances, perhaps slightly below average playing in such a terrible conference.

I said it earlier in another thread...the Heat, at most, make 2 finals and win 2 titles playing in the West the last 4 years. My honest opinion is that they make 1 final and win 1 title. I really think in 13 they would have run out of gas having to play real times while wade/bosh were struggling so much last year.

Again, that 11 choke by Lebron really looms large here. As it should...

[chazzy]

The lack of Lebron's ability to dominate an entire game outside of game 2 can't be just shrugged off.

Where was he during these runs on both ends? How did he basically get outplayed by Leonard over the last 3 games of this series?

Nobody should say Lebron played poorly or was the one that cost the Heat, but he also wasn't great. He didn't dominate outside of game 2. He didn't do things to the Spurs to make them uncomfortable...especially in tough times or in the 2nd halfs of games.

Again, the standards for Lebron are high because his fans say he's top 5 ever.

Well, guess what, you don't get to be top 5 ever...rolling over like that. You compare him to Kobe or Hakeem...yea...this doesn't hurt him.

But you compare him to guys like Kareem, Magic, Russell, MJ, and Duncan???

This doesn't hurt him, but it doesn't help him either. He's got a long way to go whether you stans like it or not.

2 titles in 4 years? Meh...average given the circumstances, perhaps slightly below average playing in such a terrible conference.

I said it earlier in another thread...the Heat, at most, make 2 finals and win 2 titles playing in the West the last 4 years. My honest opinion is that they make 1 final and win 1 title. I really think in 13 they would have run out of gas having to play real times while wade/bosh were struggling so much last year.

Again, that 11 choke by Lebron really looms large here. As it should...
:applause: No one's saying he played terrible this series.. but you can't just look at his final totals and come to the conclusion that he had this truly dominant series.

[Dresta]

The lack of Lebron's ability to dominate an entire game outside of game 2 can't be just shrugged off.

Where was he during these runs on both ends? How did he basically get outplayed by Leonard over the last 3 games of this series?

Nobody should say Lebron played poorly or was the one that cost the Heat, but he also wasn't great. He didn't dominate outside of game 2. He didn't do things to the Spurs to make them uncomfortable...especially in tough times or in the 2nd halfs of games.

Again, the standards for Lebron are high because his fans say he's top 5 ever.

Well, guess what, you don't get to be top 5 ever...rolling over like that. You compare him to Kobe or Hakeem...yea...this doesn't hurt him.

But you compare him to guys like Kareem, Magic, Russell, MJ, and Duncan???

This doesn't hurt him, but it doesn't help him either. He's got a long way to go whether you stans like it or not.

2 titles in 4 years? Meh...average given the circumstances, perhaps slightly below average playing in such a terrible conference.

I said it earlier in another thread...the Heat, at most, make 2 finals and win 2 titles playing in the West the last 4 years. My honest opinion is that they make 1 final and win 1 title. I really think in 13 they would have run out of gas having to play real times while wade/bosh were struggling so much last year.

Again, that 11 choke by Lebron really looms large here. As it should...

Miami had tough runs in the conference finals twice, and then went on win the finals both those times. The two times Miami cruised to the finals (even in 2011 when East was arguably as good as the West up top) they lost both times. So i don't know how you can reach that conclusion tbh.

[Droid101]

Field Goal Percentage isn't really very important in the grand scheme of things. Winning is.

[Blue&Orange]

Stat padding and cherry picking only brings you championships if your teammates bail you out, that's what happened in 2012 and 2013. 2014 Lebron's teammates too old and tired of carrying Lebrona, there was no mike miller and Ray Allen this year.

[Beastmode88]

Thread rated 2/5 stars - "Bad"

I think all bran related thread should be rated 2/5. :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

The lack of Lebron's ability to dominate an entire game outside of game 2 can't be just shrugged off.

Where was he during these runs on both ends? How did he basically get outplayed by Leonard over the last 3 games of this series?

Nobody should say Lebron played poorly or was the one that cost the Heat, but he also wasn't great. He didn't dominate outside of game 2. He didn't do things to the Spurs to make them uncomfortable...especially in tough times or in the 2nd halfs of games.

Again, the standards for Lebron are high because his fans say he's top 5 ever.

Well, guess what, you don't get to be top 5 ever...rolling over like that. You compare him to Kobe or Hakeem...yea...this doesn't hurt him.

But you compare him to guys like Kareem, Magic, Russell, MJ, and Duncan???

This doesn't hurt him, but it doesn't help him either. He's got a long way to go whether you stans like it or not.

2 titles in 4 years? Meh...average given the circumstances, perhaps slightly below average playing in such a terrible conference.

I said it earlier in another thread...the Heat, at most, make 2 finals and win 2 titles playing in the West the last 4 years. My honest opinion is that they make 1 final and win 1 title. I really think in 13 they would have run out of gas having to play real times while wade/bosh were struggling so much last year.

Again, that 11 choke by Lebron really looms large here. As it should...

This is garbage :confusedshrug:

Would anyone be saying that with LeBron on the Spurs and Kawhi on the Heat? Ask yourself that question...

Below average? How does that matter when they're playing a west team in the finals?

And oh, LeBron > Russell. Come on now..

The 11 series, exactly... I can pull out a bad finals for all greats, even MJ..

[LeFraud James]

I wouldn't expect the consensus best player in the world to sit for the last seven mintues of an elimination game, that's for sure.

B-b-but he has the best stats of everyone currently playing :cry:

[Rooster]

B-b-but he has the best stats of everyone currently playing :cry:

Lebron always has those STATS just like Wilt.:oldlol:

[Rooster]

This is garbage :confusedshrug:

Would anyone be saying that with LeBron on the Spurs and Kawhi on the Heat? Ask yourself that question...

Below average? How does that matter when they're playing a west team in the finals?

And oh, LeBron > Russell. Come on now..

The 11 series, exactly... I can pull out a bad finals for all greats, even MJ..

Russell can flash one hand and hide his middle finger

And still has more rings than Lebron:roll:

[Milbuck]

The only thing this thread did was highlight how comically bad Lebron was in the 2011 finals. Stop bringing it up OP, you filthy Lebron hater.

[Bandito]

This is garbage :confusedshrug:

Would anyone be saying that with LeBron on the Spurs and Kawhi on the Heat? Ask yourself that question...

Below average? How does that matter when they're playing a west team in the finals?

And oh, LeBron > Russell. Come on now..

The 11 series, exactly... I can pull out a bad finals for all greats, even MJ..

Ive never seen a bad finals game in MJ history and Ive seen all of his games.

[DMAVS41]

Miami had tough runs in the conference finals twice, and then went on win the finals both those times. The two times Miami cruised to the finals (even in 2011 when East was arguably as good as the West up top) they lost both times. So i don't know how you can reach that conclusion tbh.

Well, think about it. Lets switch the Heat and Thunder in conferences.

They aren't getting to the finals past the 11 Mavs.

Are they beating the 12 Spurs with an injured Bosh? Really really tough call there....they got down 3-2 against a Celtics team that was not as good as the Spurs...and the Spurs matchup better. Total toss up here.

Are they going to be able to navigate the tougher west with Wade really hurt and Bosh/team slumping like they were in the East? Again.....really just a toss up.

They aren't getting past the 14 Spurs.

So at best it's two titles and two finals appearances. My best guess would be 1 title and 1 finals appearance in 12 because I think Lebron was just too good to lose that year.

[DMAVS41]

This is garbage :confusedshrug:

Would anyone be saying that with LeBron on the Spurs and Kawhi on the Heat? Ask yourself that question...

Below average? How does that matter when they're playing a west team in the finals?

And oh, LeBron > Russell. Come on now..

The 11 series, exactly... I can pull out a bad finals for all greats, even MJ..

What? I didn't say Lebron was a worse player. I said I think he got outplayed by Leonard over the last 3 games. I don't think that is a crazy opinion either. Leonard was playing great defense as well as making huge play after huge play.

I don't blame Lebron for the series or anything like that, but his performance, especially outside of game 2 was really just nothing to mention. He went ghost in key moments during runs, missed the end of game 1, and then pretty much no showed in the 2nd half last night. Not bad, not the reason they lost, but absolutely nothing special.

[JT123]

This is garbage :confusedshrug:

Would anyone be saying that with LeBron on the Spurs and Kawhi on the Heat? Ask yourself that question...

Below average? How does that matter when they're playing a west team in the finals?

And oh, LeBron > Russell. Come on now..

The 11 series, exactly... I can pull out a bad finals for all greats, even MJ..
Pretty much. Saying Leonard outplayed Lebron is like saying Lebron outplayed Wade in 2011. :facepalm
Leonard had the much better TEAM! No one with half a brain would say that he played better than Lebron in this series. To people saying Lebron didn't make the Spurs uncomfortable, did you all even watch the series? Every time he would go on a big scoring spurt the Spurs would actually INCREASE their lead. Him going into hero ball mode clearly wasn't helping the Heat. :no:

[JT123]

What? I didn't say Lebron was a worse player. I said I think he got outplayed by Leonard over the last 3 games. I don't think that is a crazy opinion either. Leonard was playing great defense as well as making huge play after huge play.

I don't blame Lebron for the series or anything like that, but his performance, especially outside of game 2 was really just nothing to mention. He went ghost in key moments during runs, missed the end of game 1, and then pretty much no showed in the 2nd half last night. Not bad, not the reason they lost, but absolutely nothing special.
:facepalm Only Lebron would get criticized for getting an injury he had no control over. Let me guess, you think think not playing through cramps is a sign of mental weakness? :rolleyes:

[Deuce Bigalow]

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[PsychoBe]

these nikkas really forgot about the difference in defense :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Dresta]

Well, think about it. Lets switch the Heat and Thunder in conferences.

They aren't getting to the finals past the 11 Mavs.

Are they beating the 12 Spurs with an injured Bosh? Really really tough call there....they got down 3-2 against a Celtics team that was not as good as the Spurs...and the Spurs matchup better. Total toss up here.

Are they going to be able to navigate the tougher west with Wade really hurt and Bosh/team slumping like they were in the East? Again.....really just a toss up.

They aren't getting past the 14 Spurs.

So at best it's two titles and two finals appearances. My best guess would be 1 title and 1 finals appearance in 12 because I think Lebron was just too good to lose that year.
I don't know why you'd assume that. I can't see Dallas winning without the Lebron choke (they would have been pretty close to being swept actually), and Lebron choked because it was the finals, not because of the awesome defense of the Mavs (both Boston and Chicago were better defensive teams).

No reason to think he'd choke in the early rounds against the Mavs if he didn't against Boston and Chicago (the former being the team he usually struggled against).

[DMAVS41]

I don't know why you'd assume that. I can't see Dallas winning without the Lebron choke (they would have been pretty close to being swept actually), and Lebron choked because it was the finals, not because of the awesome defense of the Mavs (both Boston and Chicago were better defensive teams).

No reason to think he'd choke in the early rounds against the Mavs if he didn't against Boston and Chicago (the former being the team he usually struggled against).

Holy shit.

So now the Heat would beat the Mavs in a hypothetical as long as they played earlier? What?

That isn't how this shit works.

Also, I don't think the Heat could have beaten the Mavs with Wade playing like he did against the Bulls. Not just about Lebron. Wade playing like he did against the Bulls wouldn't have been enough.

And if you want to go even further, Dirk would have raped them even worse as he was at his hottest in the WCF.

Again, doesn't work like that. Heat lost the Mavs in 11 and the Spurs in 14...you don't then assume they beat them playing them two weeks earlier. Makes no sense.

The difference, is that in 12 and 13...their road to even get to the finals was much more difficult and hardly a lock.

Good effort though...trying to argue for the Heat winning in 11 while playing in the harder conference and beating a team that murked them in 6. LOL

[JT123]

I don't know why you'd assume that. I can't see Dallas winning without the Lebron choke (they would have been pretty close to being swept actually), and Lebron choked because it was the finals, not because of the awesome defense of the Mavs (both Boston and Chicago were better defensive teams).

No reason to think he'd choke in the early rounds against the Mavs if he didn't against Boston and Chicago (the former being the team he usually struggled against).
:facepalm Good lord, Skip Bayless has truly brainwashed America's youth.
Lebron "choking" was likely due to a number of reasons, but to suggest that it was only because he was in the Finals has to be one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. No way it could have been fatigue, as Lebron was averaging a measly 45 minutes per game in the 3 previous rounds, more minutes than MJ ever averaged in any of his title runs. Had nothing to do with the Mavs defense taking him out of his comfort zone with their defensive schemes. And in no way is it possible that he was just slumping at a horrible time, similar to how Wade was against Chicago. Only reason he could have possibly had a horrible series is because it was the Finals. :rolleyes:

[BlackVVaves]

Kawi Leonard is the 2014 Finals MVP with Averages of:

17.8 PPG / 6.4 RPG / 2.0 APG / 1.6 SPG = 18/6/2/2 on 61%

You know who those statistics remind me of?

LeBron's 2011 Finals:

17.8 PPG / 7.2 RPG / 6.8 APG / 1.7 SPG = 18/7/7/2 on 48%

(Now obviously the Kobe fans don't care about fg%, efficiency doesn't mean shit...)

I'm not saying Kawhi played shit, I'm saying LeBron played good.
He had a Magic/Bird type finals series.
Not great, good.
Problem for LeBron, his standarts/ceiling is much higher... He needs to be/should be, great... He was the team's best player in 3 of 6 games (game 1 + game 5 + game 6), but for the team to win he needs to be the best at all times, he needs to be great.
Yet he still came close to another title/finals mvp.

The fact he was slayed for this series just shows you how superior he is to Magic/Bird, who both have pulled off indentical finals series'.
And won doing so...
Magic in '82: 16/11/8
Magic in '83: 19/8/13 on 40%
Magic in '84: 18/8/14
Magic in '85: 18/7/14
Magic in '89: 12/4/8
Magic in '91: 19/8/12 on 43%
Bird in '81: 15/15/7 on 42%

People were praising the all-around game. Of course not all of those series' are good, but when LeBron gives you a near 20/7/7 on 50% series, that's good, despite the low 4th quarter scoring and 8 point game.


Oh, and Kawhi will have a Pippen type career...

So a peak LeBron should be measured by the same criteria as a third year, 22 year old Leonard.

Keep em coming Bron stans, keep em coming :roll:

You're right. Bron was just as good as Magic and Bird in 2011. Why should his 4th quarter performances in the NBA Finals count? Scoring 8 points in a Finals game that stemmed from a series virtually every analyst, media member, and general fan projected you to win? WHO CARES.

[Xiengqichess]

Le Bron only scored well when his team defended well enough to create turn overs or when other teams sleep and not prepare for a certain time. On the half court set, he could not create shot one on one by himself, hold the ball too long. Many times he had Parker and Manu one on one and chose to pass the ball. If its Kobe, he would score two, three times with ease. The Spurs made you defend for 20 second then made the shot. That kill you mentally.

[Pointguard]

Holy shit.

So now the Heat would beat the Mavs in a hypothetical as long as they played earlier? What?

That isn't how this shit works.

Also, I don't think the Heat could have beaten the Mavs with Wade playing like he did against the Bulls. Not just about Lebron. Wade playing like he did against the Bulls wouldn't have been enough.

And if you want to go even further, Dirk would have raped them even worse as he was at his hottest in the WCF.

Again, doesn't work like that. Heat lost the Mavs in 11 and the Spurs in 14...you don't then assume they beat them playing them two weeks earlier. Makes no sense.

The difference, is that in 12 and 13...their road to even get to the finals was much more difficult and hardly a lock.

Good effort though...trying to argue for the Heat winning in 11 while playing in the harder conference and beating a team that murked them in 6. LOL
I think the point Dresta was making was that Lebron melt down was due to facing success in the face and being scared of it in the finals: Not so much the competition - he would have melted against the Washington Generals if it was the finals. Lebron played hungry the first three series and played scared/confused in the finals. Most teams would have beaten Lebron in the finals with the way he played against Dallas - most top teams would have lost against the ECF team.

[ArbitraryWater]

Ive never seen a bad finals game in MJ history and Ive seen all of his games.

Well you're blind then.

[ArbitraryWater]

So a peak LeBron should be measured by the same criteria as a third year, 22 year old Leonard.

Keep em coming Bron stans, keep em coming :roll:

You're right. Bron was just as good as Magic and Bird in 2011. Why should his 4th quarter performances in the NBA Finals count? Scoring 8 points in a Finals game that stemmed from a series virtually every analyst, media member, and general fan projected you to win? WHO CARES.

What criteria?


Dude, Bird had back-to-back 8 point games... stop embarrassing yourself.

[Kingwillball]

Lebron averaged more points rebounds and assists than finals mvp..

[dubeta]

these nikkas really forgot about the difference in defense :roll: :roll: :roll:

lmao kobe stans talking about defense

[cltcfn2924]

Lebron averaged more points rebounds and assists than finals mvp..


And turnovers.

[HOoopCityJones]

Dat real delusional shit.

[riseagainst]

all i can get from this is that Lebron can fill up a stat sheet really well.