96 Bulls Vs 2014 Spurs

[juju151111]

I seen a lot of dummies claiming the 2014 Spurs are better because they made a horrible defensive team look just like they are. Dallas with their old ads players took them to 7 because their Coach was competent to realize you don't give them open 3s. What would Goat coach Phil Jackson do who mostly destroyed Pop over the years.

[Milbuck]

Well the Mavericks weren't your typical 50 win team, they were playing out of their skin. They were playing like a 60+ win team, better than anything Miami did in the postseason. That, and San Antonio wasn't in full rhythm. When they finally started to play like the Spurs, they destroyed Dallas in game 7. After that they were stomping through the playoffs, aside from a couple games in OKC.

I'd say the Bulls take it in 7.

Also, PJax didn't do shit to Pop. It was Kobe and Shaq.

[jayfan]

It's hard to tell because Miami's defense was so bad this series. Not taking anything away from the Spurs, because they were great. But that perimeter defense was a joke.

[Rose'sACL]

It would be 60-40 in bulls favor. 96 bulls were special and not too old yet.

[Gotterdammerung]

Since the 2014 Spurs are easier to breakdown, i'll focus on the 96 Bulls.

The 1996 Bulls were a finesse team, and susceptible to physical play. That means extremely physical Greatest Teams of All Time could push them around, but the 2014 Spurs weren't exactly stocked with physical bigs. Could Dennis Rodman have gotten under Duncan's skin? Probably not, but he could've neutralized Splitter on the boards and on the other end. Scottie Pippen was probably quicker than Leonard, but probably not as powerful. Jordan wouldn't have any trouble with Dennis Green's one-dimensional offense, but he would have had to expand a lot of energy in containing Ginobili who could go full bore in 20 to 25 minutes. Ron Harper might have some trouble locking and following Tony Parker through countless screens, though.

The Spurs' superior depth with Boris Diaw, Party Thrills, Ginobili, etc., would have neutralized Toni Kukoc off the bench.

Jordan's dramatic edge at the off guard position and all-time great presence would've determined the series in 6 or 7. OTOH, had Duncan been in his prime... :pimp:

[played0ut]

Since the 2014 Spurs are easier to breakdown, i'll focus on the 96 Bulls.

The 1996 Bulls were a finesse team, and susceptible to physical play. That means extremely physical Greatest Teams of All Time could push them around,

Lol nah, man. They had to go through the Detroit Pistons. That was the most physically brutal team in NBA history. The Pistons toughened them up and taught them how to take hits and keep on going with a smile. Hell, one of their core players were from those Pistons.


On topic. The bulls will win. Their team ball isn't exactly inferior to Spur's style-- the triangle offense IS team ball. But the biggest edge of the bulls IMO is that even in their team ball, they have someone who can make easily make high % shots out of nothing.

[Teanett]

The 1996 Bulls were a finesse team, and susceptible to physical play. That means extremely physical Greatest Teams of All Time could push them around,

are you nuts?
they beat the bad boys, the oakley-ewing-mason-xman knicks, the davis brothers pacers, the zo-willis-kurt thomas heat... they SWEPT the shaq-penny-horace grant-magic...

they had dennis freaking rodman and michael jordan. nobody pushed them around.

[Gotterdammerung]

Lol nah, man. They had to go through the Detroit Pistons. That was the most physically brutal team in NBA history. The Pistons toughened them up and taught them how to take hits and keep on going with a smile. Hell, one of their core players were from those Pistons.
1996 Bulls.

Not 1991 Bulls.

There's a big difference between the two types of three-peat teams.

Plus the 1996 Bulls had trouble vs a physical frontcourt player in Shawn Kemp, who was definitely the best player in the 1996 Finals. That is evidence for my argument, not a historical one that stretches 6 years earlier. :no:

Now, having said that, a team with a hall of fame frontcourt like the 1986 Boston Celtics would dominate this 1996 Bulls. The only reason the series between the two teams wouldn't be one-sided is because of Jordan and Pippen wreaking havoc on the perimeter, disrupting the ball movement. That could generate turnovers and feed into fast breaks to keep up with the impeccable Boston Celtics' halfcourt offense, but that's it.

[Gotterdammerung]

are you nuts?they beat the bad boys, the oakley-ewing-mason-xman knicks, the davis brothers pacers, the zo-willis-kurt thomas heat... they SWEPT the shaq-penny-horace grant-magic...they had dennis freaking rodman and michael jordan. nobody pushed them around.
Perhaps English isn't your first language. :confusedshrug:

the 1996 Bulls is not the 1993 Bulls who beat the Knicks.
Nor were the 1996 Bulls the 1991 Bulls who dethroned an aging Detroit Pistons champion much like the 2014 Spurs blew out the aging Miami Heat.

Plus the 1996 Bulls were fortunate that Horace Grant was injured in the 1996 Eastern Conference Finals. Moreover, they had no way of guarding Shawn Kemp in the 1996 Finals.

Now, Shawn Kemp is not the greatest scoring forward in history, but his performance is proof that the Bulls did not have a physical front court on the GOAT level. They need Dennis Rodman to pull off psychological tricks on a, say, Karl Malone to maintain control.

If the great frontcourt player is immune to such psychological ploys, and physically over-powering, or too skilled, then the Bulls are at an disadvantage.
:kobe:

[played0ut]

1996 Bulls.

Not 1991 Bulls.

There's a big difference between the two types of three-peat teams.


But most importantly their core of MJ, Pippen, and Rodman went through the Pistons or WAS a Bad Boy Piston. Their mental toughness would rub off on their teammates in needing the mentality to handle physically aggressive teams.

[Soundwave]

Perhaps English isn't your first language. :confusedshrug:

the 1996 Bulls is not the 1993 Bulls who beat the Knicks.
Nor were the 1996 Bulls the 1991 Bulls who dethroned an aging Detroit Pistons champion much like the 2014 Spurs blew out the aging Miami Heat.

Plus the 1996 Bulls were fortunate that Horace Grant was injured in the 1996 Eastern Conference Finals. Moreover, they had no way of guarding Shawn Kemp in the 1996 Finals.

Now, Shawn Kemp is not the greatest scoring forward in history, but his performance is proof that the Bulls did not have a physical front court on the GOAT level. They need Dennis Rodman to pull off psychological tricks on a, say, Karl Malone to maintain control.

If the great frontcourt player is immune to such psychological ploys, and physically over-powering, or too skilled, then the Bulls are at an disadvantage.
:kobe:

Horace Grant wasn't really gonna change the fortunes of that Magic series. Maybe they could've won 1, maybe 2 games if they lucky. Bulls just demolished them and simply wanted it more.

[Teanett]

Plus the 1996 Bulls had trouble vs a physical frontcourt player in Shawn Kemp, who was definitely the best player in the 1996 Finals. That is evidence for my argument, not a historical one that stretches 6 years earlier. :no:


:facepalm

trouble? they were up 3-0 and took their foot off the gas.
they SWEPT shaq.
they SWEPT zo.
the next year they SWEPT chris webber.

[Teanett]

Perhaps English isn't your first language. :confusedshrug:

the 1996 Bulls is not the 1993 Bulls who beat the Knicks.



perhaps basketball isn't your first sport? :confusedshrug:

the bulls beat the knicks 4-1 in the eastern conference semis.

let's put this in perspective:

3-0 vs Alonzo Mourning
4-1 vs Patrick Ewing
4-0 vs Shaquille O'Neal
4-2 vs Shawn Kemp

and you're gonna try make a point that they had trouble vs physical play?

my english might not be very good but you are and idiot.

[97 bulls]

:facepalm

trouble? they were up 3-0 and took their foot off the gas.
they SWEPT shaq.
they SWEPT zo.
the next year they SWEPT chris webber.
Lol im just cracking up laughing at his posts. They smashed all those teams. Especially the second threepeat team who ROUTINELY had to play bull ball type opponents. Teh combined playoff record bewteen the Magic, Heat, and Knicks from 96 and 97 was 12-2. Granted the Pacers did take them to seven. But they were exhausted.

[97 bulls]

Hey Teannet, you remember that game vs the Heat in 97 when Mourning hit Pippen and gave him that mouse on his forehead?

This guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

[sportjames23]

are you nuts?
they beat the bad boys, the oakley-ewing-mason-xman knicks, the davis brothers pacers, the zo-willis-kurt thomas heat... they SWEPT the shaq-penny-horace grant-magic...

they had dennis freaking rodman and michael jordan. nobody pushed them around.


Gotta love how these kids try to tell us how the Bulls played and what they were capable of when they were too young to have seen them play, right? :oldlol:

96 Bulls in 5, maybe 6 games.

[Teanett]

Hey Teannet, you remember that game vs the Heat in 97 when Mourning hit Pippen and gave him that mouse on his forehead?

This guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

i know, it's ridiculous...

after 92, when x-man played him very physically, pippen didnt back down from nobody. fukk it, pippen got leveled by rodman before and got back up.

pippen-rodman-luc LONGley (7'2") were not exploitable by physical play.

[veilside23]

lets just not try to downgrade the greatness of MJ ok ?

for goodness sake he didn't lose in the finals is it hard to comprehend?

I know its a team game but he is the alpha of the team and they won it all .
Next

you seriously think that the shawn kemp gary payton hersey Hawkins detlef Schrempf line up is a joke compared to the spurs this year...

Tony parker may not even score for a long stretch if guarded by GP. Kemp would give trouble to the front court of the spurs. He wasn't a great scorer alright but the dude is like on steroids when he played the bulls .. the sonics beat Houston and the jazz

if dallas pushed SA to 7 games I don't see why the 96 sonics wont beat them.

before we even talk about 96 bulls vs 2014 spurs.

try to post a legit argument if the spurs can beat that team like the bulls did.

[Soundwave]

Bulls in six, Pippen would shut down Leonard, Jordan would be able to handle a 37 year old Ginobli.

Rodman would get his usual 13-15 boards a night. Spurs would not be able to stop Jordan from scoring and the Bulls as a group are far mentally tougher.

Duncan would do his thing, but he's too old at this stage of the game to bother the Bulls too much. They'd let him have his 15/10.

Also unlike Miami's overrated defence, the Bulls are the real deal there, Jordan/Pippen/Rodman are legit three of the top 6-8 defenders to ever play the game, they would change the series.

[jzek]

Bulls in 5... MAYBE 6 if the Spurs got super hot like in game 3

[Odinn]

I seen a lot of dummies claiming the 2014 Spurs are better because they made a horrible defensive team look just like they are. Dallas with their old ads players took them to 7 because their Coach was competent to realize you don't give them open 3s. What would Goat coach Phil Jackson do who mostly destroyed Pop over the years.
Have some guts to support your claim you prick.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=342025
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10146432&postcount=12



Phil destroys him in 00,01,02,04, and 08. What's this nonsense about Pop being a better Coach.
Lack of context.

- 2000; Tim Duncan was injured.
- 2001; only 15+ ppg Spurs (besides Duncan) Derek Anderson was injured.
- 2002; David Robinson was injured.
Especially in 2001 and 2002 the Spurs looked like they were contenders just because Tim Duncan was only 2nd to Shaq.

No point of bringing up 3peat seasons.

- 2008; despite being the defending-champs, the Spurs were really old besides the trio and the old ones produced nothing throughout the playoffs. Also saying it was just Kobe and Gasol is being disrespectful to Lamar Odom whom was 14/10/3/1/1 guy in the playoffs.


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I agree, P-Jax is the goat coach. But your reasoning is way too off. Straight up BS.
Riley is one of the major candidates for the goat coach title yet he got swept twice in the NBA Finals and his record in the Finals is below .500 (26-27). Yet nobody trashed him for that and tried to praise P-Jax or Pop.

Case closed.


And Rick Carlisle was the only challenge in the postseason Pop faced. He did a great job against the Spurs by surprising defensive calls/schemes.

How about Rick Adelman forcing a Game 7 in 2009 against the Lakers and your precious Jackson while the MVP of his team wasn't available for half of the series.

If I see you keeping this attitude, I'm going to be your nightmare pal. You're almost as awful as stans.

[MadeFromDust]

lets just not try to downgrade the greatness of MJ ok ?

for goodness sake he didn't lose in the finals is it hard to comprehend?

I know its a team game but he is the alpha of the team and they won it all .
Next

you seriously think that the shawn kemp gary payton hersey Hawkins detlef Schrempf line up is a joke compared to the spurs this year...

Tony parker may not even score for a long stretch if guarded by GP. Kemp would give trouble to the front court of the spurs. He wasn't a great scorer alright but the dude is like on steroids when he played the bulls .. the sonics beat Houston and the jazz

if dallas pushed SA to 7 games I don't see why the 96 sonics wont beat them.

before we even talk about 96 bulls vs 2014 spurs.

try to post a legit argument if the spurs can beat that team like the bulls did.
TeaPea nearly took away the nickname "The Glove" from GeePee 1v1 from day 1 lmao :roll:

[MadeFromDust]

Bulls in six, Pippen would shut down Leonard, Jordan would be able to handle a 37 year old Ginobli.

Rodman would get his usual 13-15 boards a night. Spurs would not be able to stop Jordan from scoring and the Bulls as a group are far mentally tougher.

Duncan would do his thing, but he's too old at this stage of the game to bother the Bulls too much. They'd let him have his 15/10.

Also unlike Miami's overrated defence, the Bulls are the real deal there, Jordan/Pippen/Rodman are legit three of the top 6-8 defenders to ever play the game, they would change the series.
Ummmm no. Not happening :no: No way even the great MJ could handle that ambidextrous livewire at any age. He could only hope to contain him or let him do the team in like last year. And TD would rise to the challenge of boarding with Rodman all day all night. You see, he does whatever the team needs out of him at any given time.