"LeBron Ball" Destroyed The Heat

[Soundwave]

Bosh is a better player than this (much better). So is Wade.

Ever since teaming with LeBron they've both had to scale their games back massively because LeBron needs to dominate the ball to be involved in the game.

He has never bothered to develop a good post or simple quick dribble/pull up J game, as a result he needs to hold/dribble to ball for longer stretches.

The notion that he's a great team player and the Heat were a great team were really overstated. A great ball distributor like Magic would know how to involve Bosh and Wade into the game to their strengths.

Heat just never were a great team together, they won on sheer talent and some lucky bounces (like Ray Ray bailing them out in 2013) when they did win, they collapsed in 2011 and again in 2014 when having to face any real adversity.

[Mass Debator]

He only passes when it potentially results in an assist and only posts up when he knows he's going to get the ball. Dribble dribble dribble pick and roll pass to three point shooter.

[hawksdogsbraves]

Even if this is partially true, it's Spo's fault not LeBron's. LeBron just puts up stats at the most efficient rate we've ever seen, it's not up to him to make Wade rewind the clock 5 years or convince Bosh not to be the world's biggest pu$$y.

[LBJ 23]

A player that was basically a top 3 all time Shooting guard was reduced to a role player while playing with Lebron.

Because of Lebron that player could rest and play every third game in the regular season and take it easy throughout most of the playoffs for one purpose only and that's to show up in Finals. That player failed miserably at that and this is now Lebron's fault even though he was basically carrying this Heat team whole year just so Wade can be fresh and healthy for the Finals? It's Lebron's fault that Wade's legs look like they were cut off, he has no lift, no explossion, he's missing easy layups around the basket etc...
His reckless play and age finally got to him it seems and that's somehow Lebron's fault?

[LBJ 23]

Bosh is a better player than this (much better).


Please describe to me what is Lebron taking away from Bosh's game? I would really like to hear that...

[Brook(lyn)Lopez]

It's not Lebron's fault Wade has degenerate knees, or never bothered to get a reliable 3-point shot, or got fat these past few months.

[Soundwave]

Please describe to me what is Lebron taking away from Bosh's game? I would really like to hear that...

Feed the f**king guy in the post. Yes he is not a traditional post up player, he is a post and face up player, but the Heat never do this. Especially when the other team's PF is 38 freaking years old and Bosh is still in his 20s.

In LeBron ball they want him by the damn 3 point line so LeBron can dribble for 15 seconds and kick the ball out.

It's stupid basketball. And they finally got exposed for it.

You use your 6'10 PF as a spot up 3 point shooter all playoffs and then act dumb founded when he has no offensive rhythm in a tougher series.

LeBron's game can't accomodate other players that need the ball in their hands. He needs spot up shooters around him.

[Teanett]

Please describe to me what is Lebron taking away from Bosh's game? I would really like to hear that...

bosh has become a spot up shooter. he has lost his ability to impact a game in another way because he has been disconnected to his old abilities by setting picks and running to the 3 point line for the last two seasons.

[JT123]

Let me ask you a question OP. How many Heat games did you watch this year? Not many obviously. Lebron does not dribble out the clock every possession as you are claiming, if he did the Heat would be the easiest team in the league to defend. :no: He does do this when the Heat have small leads late in games, which does drive me crazy sometimes, but early in games/quarters he is always trying to move the ball around early in the clock. The problem is that Wade is old and can no longer get by his man on a consistent basis, meaning more often than not the ball winds up back in Lebron's hands with the shot clock expiring. Bosh is a softy who doesn't like contact by his own admission, so if he doesn't have a wide open jumper he gives the ball back to Lebron because he has no moves. Eventually Bron will start dribbling out the clock because he knows Wade and Bosh are just going to give him the ball back anyway.

[navy]

bosh has become a spot up shooter. he has lost his ability to impact a game in another way because he has been disconnected to his old abilities by setting picks and running to the 3 point line for the last two seasons.

He was always a spot up shooter....

[TheMarkMadsen]

I've been say this for years. His ability to make his teammates better is teally overrated. He dribbles the ball down to the last second and only wants to pass to a jump shooter who he knows will hoist it up.

[K Xerxes]

From what I saw, LeBron spent the majority of the season playing away from the ball. He'd only bring the ball up in the dying moments of quarters. He was forced to bring the ball up against the Spurs when all the Heat ball handlers apparently forgot how to handle the ball properly.

I agree that Bosh could have definitely been utilised more, but Wade was given every opportunity to mark his stamp on these games - he just flat out sucked whether it be due to injury or anything else.

[navy]

The Heat just went to 4 straight Finals and just lost to a team they beat last year.

Holy shit you people are over reactionary...

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Yeah, it has nothing to do with the offense they run, or Wade getting old and injured. It's all Lebron's fault :rolleyes: . Where do these clowns keep coming form?

[navy]

From what I saw, LeBron spent the majority of the season playing away from the ball. He'd only bring the ball up in the dying moments of quarters. He was forced to bring the ball up against the Spurs when all the Heat ball handlers apparently forgot how to handle the ball properly.

I agree that Bosh could have definitely been utilised more, but Wade was given every opportunity to mark his stamp on these games - he just flat out sucked whether it be due to injury or anything else.
This, Lebron played off ball way more this year (just look at his assist) and yet people still think all he does is dribble out the clock?

People dont even watch basketball games anymore. Just make up narratives to fit their agenda.

[Soundwave]

He was always a spot up shooter....

Dude, I had to live in Toronto for 5 years, I saw plenty of Raptor games, his game is post and face.

And don't gimme that nonsense that he was a 3 point spot up shooter. Bullsh*t.

LeBron ball is just idiotic. Wade and Bosh had to sacrifice their games so he could play the Cleveland style of basketball he was used to rather than Miami actually building an offence tailored to all three of their strengths.

[lilgodfather1]

Spoken like someone who doesn't watch LeBron.

Even last night, where he started at PG, he didn't carry the ball up every play. The Heat just have no offensive creators other than LeBron, now that Wade is flat.

It doesn't matter now, he won't be there next year.

[SamuraiSWISH]

He played off ball during the season but in the Finals he pounded the ball too much, lacked trust in teammates, didn't quickly read the defense and quick strike attack. Still hasn't developed go to scoring moves quickly from mid range, no efficient post game ... It handicaps Bosh, and especially Wade's talents. Specially from a rhythm, confidence perspective. LeBron the past 3 seasons has killed his "help" with refusal to adapt, change his game to help utilize his teammates potential. MJ was a scorer but he changed his game to let Pip flourish, and it made them a better team in the long run. Oh, but he doesn't make teammates better.

[Soundwave]

Spoken like someone who doesn't watch LeBron.

Even last night, where he started at PG, he didn't carry the ball up every play. The Heat just have no offensive creators other than LeBron, now that Wade is flat.

It doesn't matter now, he won't be there next year.

These things don't miraculously happen.

You use your 6'10 PF as a three point shooter for the entire year and then you wonder why he's not performing in the NBA Finals?

Because you haven't run any proper plays for him all year long, you dumb f*cks, how is he supposed to have any rhythm or confidence.

See this is what Magic was *great* at, he understood where his key teammates were at, when to feed one, when to push one, when to get someone going.

LeBron? Has no concept of this at all.

[PJR]

Feed the f**king guy in the post. Yes he is not a traditional post up player, he is a post and face up player, but the Heat never do this. Especially when the other team's PF is 38 freaking years old and Bosh is still in his 20s.



The only way Heat center Chris Bosh will see himself playing in the post again is by watching old highlight videos.

Bosh made it even clearer Saturday his days of living on the block are gone.

As in R.I.P to his post game.

"I don't bang anybody anymore," Bosh said. "It's a tired thing for me. It's not my strength and I understand that."

LeBron's fault.

Jesus Christ, I hate NBA fans. I really do.

[JT123]

Let me ask you a question OP. How many Heat games did you watch this year? Not many obviously. Lebron does not dribble out the clock every possession as you are claiming, if he did the Heat would be the easiest team in the league to defend. :no: He does do this when the Heat have small leads late in games, which does drive me crazy sometimes, but early in games/quarters he is always trying to move the ball around early in the clock. The problem is that Wade is old and can no longer get by his man on a consistent basis, meaning more often than not the ball winds up back in Lebron's hands with the shot clock expiring. Bosh is a softy who doesn't like contact by his own admission, so if he doesn't have a wide open jumper he gives the ball back to Lebron because he has no moves. Eventually Bron will start dribbling out the clock because he knows Wade and Bosh are just going to give him the ball back anyway.
No response OP?

[LBJ 23]

bosh has become a spot up shooter. he has lost his ability to impact a game in another way because he has been disconnected to his old abilities by setting picks and running to the 3 point line for the last two seasons.


And that's AGAIN, Lebron's fault? Do you even watch Bosh play? Guy can't wait to shoot his jumpshots, he could've taken it to the rim so many times beacause of the mismatches but he ends taking that jumpshoot almost every time. He is just not comfortable in the post banging with bigs be it on offense or defense. If you could ask him he would probably tell you that himself and if you would watch him play more you would notice that too. He admitted many times that he doesn't like playing in the post/under the rim. I bet he was thrilled when they presented to him new offensive tactic of him shooting 3's.

[navy]

Dude, I had to live in Toronto for 5 years, I saw plenty of Raptor games, his game is post and face.

And don't gimme that nonsense that he was a 3 point spot up shooter. Bullsh*t.

LeBron ball is just idiotic. Wade and Bosh had to sacrifice their games so he could play the Cleveland style of basketball he was used to rather than Miami actually building an offence tailored to all three of their strengths.
Im obviously wasting my time here, you dont even watch games, you just want to support your narrative.

Bosh has said himself that he doesnt like posting up and it has nothing to do with Lebron. Bosh's face up game is only good in isolation situuations, however it is way too predicable. He is not good enough to pass out of it and hit an open man.

He added the three point shot to his game in Miami, and for the most part it has worked pretty well.

Lebron ball barely existed his year. If you watched the games, Lebron was more than content to let others dribble the ball and be the screener or try to get post position. The Heat shot 50% as a team in the regular season. Highest in the NBA. What happened in the post season is that Wade took a massive dive in the finals, Bosh was pretty much the same as he's always been and the role players just didnt have it this year. Too old, too slow all around.

But, you want to sit here and talk about a Lebron ball narrative? Typical ISH. Well it's jsut not ish, it is people in general. Anything to fit a preconceived notion.

[JT123]

He played off ball during the season but in the Finals he pounded the ball too much, lacked trust in teammates, didn't quickly read the defense and quick strike attack. Still hasn't developed go to scoring moves quickly from mid range, no efficient post game ... It handicaps Bosh, and especially Wade's talents. Specially from a rhythm, confidence perspective. LeBron the past 3 seasons has killed his "help" with refusal to adapt, change his game to help utilize his teammates potential. MJ was a scorer but he changed his game to let Pip flourish, and it made them a better team in the long run. Oh, but he doesn't make teammates better.
So now Lebron doesn't trust his teammates? :roll: :roll:
In another thread you literally just said that it was his refusal to take the game into his own hands that cost the Heat! :facepalm
I feel like I'm losing brain cells reading some of the posts by these fools.

[Soundwave]

Bosh's game is getting the ball in the post, TURNING AND FACING and making a play from there. He's quicker and more agile than most PFs.

Of course this is apparently a foreign concept to the Miami Heat.

He must've scored all his points in his 20 ppg seasons from the 3 point line.

The truth is LeBron is not willing to sacrifice his game to allow the offence to run through Bosh for stretches if need be. Ditto for Wade.

It would require him to just make a simple pass and then play off the ball and he can't abide that type of offence for any long stretch.

So Miami basically plays the same offence the Cavaliers did despite having far more talent and then they act surprised when it doesn't work because it never made sense in the first place.

[navy]

He played off ball during the season but in the Finals he pounded the ball too much, lacked trust in teammates, didn't quickly read the defense and quick strike attack. Still hasn't developed go to scoring moves quickly from mid range, no efficient post game ... It handicaps Bosh, and especially Wade's talents. Specially from a rhythm, confidence perspective. LeBron the past 3 seasons has killed his "help" with refusal to adapt, change his game to help utilize his teammates potential. MJ was a scorer but he changed his game to let Pip flourish, and it made them a better team in the long run. Oh, but he doesn't make teammates better.

What is this shit, Wade and Bosh playing bad was on them. Especially Wade. The way the Heat looked when Lebron was on the bench or didnt have the ball was almost comical.

The only thing I am disappointed in Lebron this series is that he never went into full blown chuck mode. Should have done it in Game 5 anyways.

[tpols]

He was always a spot up shooter....

No he wasn't.. Bosh took more threes in 2013 than all his raptor years combined. He used to be a deadly midrange face up player. Heat told him to camp the 3pt line after 2012 finals to open the paint for lebron

[Soundwave]

No he wasn't.. Bosh took more threes in 2013 than all his raptor years combined. He used to be a deadly midrange face up player. Heat told him to camp the 3pt line after 2012 finals to open the paint for lebron

Yup.

But hey lets ignore the facts.

The Heat took two All-Star offensive talents, destroyed their games under the guise of "sacrifice" and then act all shocked when they finally get exposed for it.

They were never a great team. They never played in a way that made all three of them play well.

[aj1987]

He played off ball during the season but in the Finals he pounded the ball too much, lacked trust in teammates, didn't quickly read the defense and quick strike attack. Still hasn't developed go to scoring moves quickly from mid range, no efficient post game ... It handicaps Bosh, and especially Wade's talents. Specially from a rhythm, confidence perspective. LeBron the past 3 seasons has killed his "help" with refusal to adapt, change his game to help utilize his teammates potential. MJ was a scorer but he changed his game to let Pip flourish, and it made them a better team in the long run. Oh, but he doesn't make teammates better.
Stick to post about MJ dick, dude. You clearly have no idea as to what you're talking about.

[SpaceJammeR]

you don't watch games do you. lebron ball was in effect only when his teammates needed him to score because no one could. that is why he had those quarters where he scored 15+ points. no on else could do anything. these haters gotta be consistent man, lebron needs to start chucking up shots to win the game, ohh wait nvm lebron lebron ball lost miami the game. no wade, bosh, and role players did nothing on both ends. they didn't show up period. and if both your 2nd and 3rd option don't show up. it's over.

[navy]

Bosh's game is getting the ball in the post, TURNING AND FACING and making a play from there. He's quicker and more agile than most PFs.

Of course this is apparently a foreign concept to the Miami Heat.

He must've scored all his points in his 20 ppg seasons from the 3 point line.

The truth is LeBron is not willing to sacrifice his game to allow the offence to run through Bosh for stretches if need be. Ditto for Wade.

It would require him to just make a simple pass and then play off the ball and he can't abide that type of offence for any long stretch.

So Miami basically plays the same offence the Cavaliers did despite having far more talent and then they act surprised when it doesn't work because it never made sense in the first place.

As I have said, Bosh can face up and isolate well. But it is completely predictable and he lacks the abiltiy to pass if the defense collapses on a drive of his. Which is why he struggled when the Spurs stopped letting him isolate on Duncan and Tiago.

Bosh did the same thing vs Indiana. Struggled initially then exploded. Vs the Spurs he was good initially then struggled. It had nothing to do with Spo, lebron, or Wade. It is on Bosh. Stop blaming people for his bad play.


Keep this nonsense up. As Ive said Lebron is more than content to let others create as he screens and post up. TOO a fault really. It works when it works looks terrible when it doesnt.

[Soundwave]

As I have said, Bosh can face up and isolate well. But it is completely predictable and he lacks the abiltiy to pass if the defense collapses on a drive of his. Which is why he struggled when the Spurs stopped letting him isolate on Duncan and Tiago.

Bosh did the same thing vs Indiana. Struggled initially then exploded. Vs the Spurs he was good initially then struggled. It had nothing to do with Spo, lebron, or Wade. It is on Bosh. Stop blaming people for his bad play.


Keep this nonsense up. As Ive said Lebron is more than content to let others create as he screens and post up. TOO a fault really. It works when it works looks terrible when it doesnt.

You wanna know what's really predictable? Having your 6'10 PF camp out at the 3 point line waiting for a spot up shot.

If you're the opposition that's exactly what you want to have happen.

The issue really is that if you utilize your "star" players in this way eventually their confidence goes to sh*t, they lose that edge that made them star players in the first place.

How many plays did Miami honestly run for Bosh in these playoffs? I don't think you have the right to cry about "no help" when you're not using the pieces you do have in any efficient way whatsoever.

[LBJ 23]

The truth is LeBron is not willing to sacrifice his game to allow the offence to run through Bosh for stretches if need be. Ditto for Wade.
.


You don't watch Miami games, it's as simple as that. What was Lebron doing in these Finals in those quarters when he wasn't mostly scoring? He was desperately looking for a teammate to get him going, be it Wade or Bosh. They just couldn't convert or were afraid of making a move and ball usually end up in Lebron's hand at the end of the clock again. And Bosh received the ball in the post aswell, not only on the 3point line as it is fashionable to say now.

[ProfessorMurder]

You wanna know what's really predictable? Having your 6'10 PF camp out at the 3 point line waiting for a spot up shot.

If you're the opposition that's exactly what you want to have happen.

The issue really is that if you utilize your "star" players in this way eventually their confidence goes to sh*t, they lose that edge that made them star players in the first place.

How many plays did Miami honestly run for Bosh in these playoffs? I don't think you have the right to cry about "no help" when you're not using the pieces you do have in any efficient way whatsoever.

Exactly.

Sure Bosh isn't great off the dribble, but there's a huge difference between him taking it off the dribble from 24 feet out or 12 feet out.

There's no reason for him to be shooting 3s, but they have to have him do that because of Bran.

[JT123]

You wanna know what's really predictable? Having your 6'10 PF camp out at the 3 point line waiting for a spot up shot.

If you're the opposition that's exactly what you want to have happen.

The issue really is that if you utilize your "star" players in this way eventually their confidence goes to sh*t, they lose that edge that made them star players in the first place.

How many plays did Miami honestly run for Bosh in these playoffs? I don't think you have the right to cry about "no help" when you're not using the pieces you do have in any efficient way whatsoever.
You can try all you want to push your BS narrative about Lebron being a bad teammate, but no one with any credibility is buying it. :oldlol:
There is a reason Bosh said Lebron is the most unselfish player he has ever played with. Pretty much every teammate of Lebron's has said this. Amazing considering that he has "forced" them to sacrifice their games. :hammerhead:

[aj1987]

You wanna know what's really predictable? Having your 6'10 PF camp out at the 3 point line waiting for a spot up shot.

If you're the opposition that's exactly what you want to have happen.

The issue really is that if you utilize your "star" players in this way eventually their confidence goes to sh*t, they lose that edge that made them star players in the first place.

How many plays did Miami honestly run for Bosh in these playoffs? I don't think you have the right to cry about "no help" when you're not using the pieces you do have in any efficient way whatsoever.

The only way Heat center Chris Bosh will see himself playing in the post again is by watching old highlight videos.

Bosh made it even clearer Saturday his days of living on the block are gone.

As in R.I.P to his post game.

"I don't bang anybody anymore," Bosh said. "It's a tired thing for me. It's not my strength and I understand that."

Can you not read?

[Soundwave]

You can try all you want to push your BS narrative about Lebron being a bad teammate, but no one with any credibility is buying it. :oldlol:
There is a reason Bosh said Lebron is the most unselfish player he has ever played with. Pretty much every teammate of Lebron's has said this. Amazing considering that he has "forced" them to sacrifice their games. :hammerhead:

I never said he was a bad teammate, just that his style of offence (which hasn't changed that much since Cleveland) doesn't suit other star players well when push comes to shove.

Why is Chris Bosh shooting threes in the first place? He is the youngest, most athletic big in the NBA Finals and they have him playing out there? Really? You don't see the insanity in that?

[Soundwave]

Can you not read?

He plays a post and face game, which can be just as effective. Do you extra points for the "banging" down low? 2 points is 2 points whether it comes from a player playing with his back to the basket or turning and facing.

Why would you have him game out at the 3 point line?

Does that really strike you as smart basketball?

[Teanett]

Why is Chris Bosh shooting threes in the first place? He is the youngest, most athletic big in the NBA Finals and they have him playing out there? Really? You don't see the insanity in that?

and to utilize lebron's strengths properly on offense, bosh is asked to guard tim duncan.

[aj1987]

He plays a post and face game, which can be just as effective. Do you extra points for the "banging" down low? 2 points is 2 points whether it comes from a player playing with his back to the basket or turning and facing.

Why would you have him game out at the 3 point line?

Does that really strike you as smart basketball?
:facepalm

Please watch the games instead of reading what the idiots on here post.

[PJR]

The armchair coaches of ISH really do make me chuckle. Everyone's got the answers behind their laptops and tablets. :oldlol:

[navy]

You wanna know what's really predictable? Having your 6'10 PF camp out at the 3 point line waiting for a spot up shot.

If you're the opposition that's exactly what you want to have happen.

The issue really is that if you utilize your "star" players in this way eventually their confidence goes to sh*t, they lose that edge that made them star players in the first place.

How many plays did Miami honestly run for Bosh in these playoffs? I don't think you have the right to cry about "no help" when you're not using the pieces you do have in any efficient way whatsoever.
Please stop acting like you watch the Heat.

As I keep telling you Bosh does what Bosh does. There will be times when he shoots too many threes, but that is only when his driving game can be neutralized, or at least Bosh thinks it can. It is what Bosh does. It isnt anyone's fault.

Vs Indiana, Bosh stuggled because he though he couldnt drive on Hibbert. (He was fouled a few times but the refs didnt call it, so he stopped), but in Game 4 Spolestra forced him to guard and attack Hibbert and it worked.

Vs the Spurs, Bosh was great at attacking Splitter and Duncan initatially. In fact the Heat even ran the curl play for Bosh to come off a screen and attack the basket multiple times. Jeff Van Gundy even responded saying he has never seen that before.

Do you think the Heat just went away from an effective Bosh game because it wasnt working or was it the fact that Popovich adapted and took away Bosh's predicatable driving game.Bosh just isnt a playmaker. If he can drive the call on face up or a curl, then his offensive game will be regulated to spot up shooting. Which is what happens because of Bosh's limited game.

This is why he will never be a championship caliber first option. He is jut too limited despite being a very good player.

But keep on with the Lebron ball. Something the Heat did less this year than last year when they won the championship. :facepalm

[Sarcastic]

:facepalm

Please watch the games instead of reading what the idiots on here post.


Bosh plays that way now, because that is all he has been relegated to. Do you really think if he were on the Raptors still, that he would just camp the 3 point line? When the Big 3 formed, camping the 3 point line was all that was available to him, with Wade and Bran having all the responsibility of running the offense.

[navy]

and to utilize lebron's strengths properly on offense, bosh is asked to guard tim duncan.
Bosh is asked to guard Duncan because the Heat lack starting calibur centers.

[Soundwave]

Please stop acting like you watch the Heat.

As I keep telling you Bosh does what Bosh does. There will be times when he shoots too many threes, but that is only when his driving game can be neutralized, or at least Bosh thinks it can. It is what Bosh does. It isnt anyone's fault.

Vs Indiana, Bosh stuggled because he though he couldnt drive on Hibbert. (He was fouled a few times but the refs didnt call it, so he stopped), but in Game 4 Spolestra forced him to guard and attack Hibbert and it worked.

Vs the Spurs, Bosh was great at attacking Splitter and Duncan initatially. In fact the Heat even ran the curl play for Bosh to come off a screen and attack the basket multiple times. Jeff Van Gundy even responded saying he has never seen that before.

Do you think the Heat just went away from an effective Bosh game because it wasnt working or was it the fact that Popovich adapted and took away Bosh's predicatable driving game.Bosh just isnt a playmaker. If he can drive the call on face up or a curl, then his offensive game will be regulated to spot up shooting. Which is what happens because of Bosh's limited game.

This is why he will never be a championship caliber first option. He is jut too limited despite being a very good player.

But keep on with the Lebron ball. Something the Heat did less this year than last year when they won the championship. :facepalm

How many plays did Miami run for Bosh in the post where he could turn and face?

*crickets*

Running the dude off screens? Who is he? Reggie Miller or something?

Completely idiotic basketball.

[aj1987]

Bosh plays that way now, because that is all he has been relegated to. Do you really think if he were on the Raptors still, that he would just camp the 3 point line? When the Big 3 formed, camping the 3 point line was all that was available to him, with Wade and Bran having all the responsibility of running the offense.
He doesn't want to play in the post. He doesn't want to guard opposing centers. He said that himself. This is ISH though. People here know more about the players than the players themselves.

[JT123]

I never said he was a bad teammate, just that his style of offence (which hasn't changed that much since Cleveland) doesn't suit other star players well when push comes to shove.

Why is Chris Bosh shooting threes in the first place? He is the youngest, most athletic big in the NBA Finals and they have him playing out there? Really? You don't see the insanity in that?
You JUST said Lebron isn't willing to sacrifice his game to allow the offense to run through Bosh for stretches of the game (which anyone who actually watches the Heat knows is complete bullshit)
If that isn't calling him a bad teammate I don't know what is. As far as his offense not suiting other star players, where was this thread during the ECF when Wade was dominating the league's number one defense? :cletus:

[Soundwave]

He doesn't want to play in the post. He doesn't want to guard opposing centers. He said that himself. This is ISH though. People here know more about the players than the players themselves.

You don't have to "bang" to turn and face ... that's how he was 20+ ppg in Toronto.

That didn't evaporate over night.

[navy]

Bosh plays that way now, because that is all he has been relegated to. Do you really think if he were on the Raptors still, that he would just camp the 3 point line? When the Big 3 formed, camping the 3 point line was all that was available to him, with Wade and Bran having all the responsibility of running the offense.

Bosh can never run an offense. He cant pass. He can spot up from midrange and face up. That is it.

Bosh is good, but sometimes he comes up small. Stop trying to blame others for him. He just didnt have it consistently this series.

[Soundwave]

You JUST said Lebron isn't willing to sacrifice his game to allow the offense to run through Bosh for stretches of the game (which anyone who actually watches the Heat knows is complete bullshit)
If that isn't calling him a bad teammate I don't know what is. As far as his offense not suiting other star players, where was this thread during the ECF when Wade was dominating the league's number one defense? :cletus:

Eastern Conference is a joke, it's the clown college of basketball conferences.

And no, LeBron isn't willing to make that sacrifice, he needs to run the same style of offence the Cavs do.

[Soundwave]

Bosh can never run an offense. He cant pass. He can spot up from midrange and face up. That is it.

Bosh is good, but sometimes he comes up small. Stop trying to blame others for him. He just didnt have it consistently this series.

No one's asking him to run an offence. Just to be a solid no.2 option. Which he can be if he was utilized correctly.

[navy]

How many plays did Miami run for Bosh in the post where he could turn and face?

*crickets*

Running the dude off screens? Who is he? Reggie Miller or something?

Completely idiotic basketball.

They ran it plenty of times. Like I said, it gets too predictable. Which is why he was getting blocked and his driving lanes removed. It will only work when there is a coach too stubborn to adjust. Like Vogel.

No its, not. IT WORKED. Bosh is fast, nobody can keep up with him off screens and it allows his to get open shots and easy driving lanes. He dunked the ball two or three times with this set. It is effective and I expect the Heat to incorporate it more next year, now that they have seen it work.

But like I said, you dont watch games just try to push narratives.

[ProfessorMurder]

He doesn't want to play in the post. He doesn't want to guard opposing centers. He said that himself. This is ISH though. People here know more about the players than the players themselves.

He should be in the post playing power forwards. But the Heat have to play small because of the way they're constructed.

[Teanett]

Bosh is asked to guard Duncan because the Heat lack starting calibur centers.

no. it's because the heat chose to play bosh as a "stretch 5" to open up the lane. andersen and haslem are better post defenders than bosh but the offense doesnt click when they are in the game.

[JT123]

Eastern Conference is a joke, it's the clown college of basketball conferences.

And no, LeBron isn't willing to make that sacrifice, he needs to run the same style of offence the Cavs do.
Pacers had a winning record against the West, but keep on trying to pretend they weren't an elite defensive team. :oldlol: Defense is the ONLY strength of that team, and Wade was great despite "Lebron ball"
And again, if you are saying he's not willing to make that sacrifice you are calling him a bad teammate. This is where you lose any and all credibility. Lebron has been in the league for 11 years and not a single teammate of his has ever said a negative word about him. In fact they all praise him for how unselfish he is. If Lebron is as selfish and unwilling to adapt as you claim, surely at least ONE of his teammates would have called him out by now. :sleeping Kobe's former teammates do it all the time. :confusedshrug:

[Soundwave]

They ran it plenty of times. Like I said, it gets too predictable. Which is why he was getting blocked and his driving lanes removed. It will only work when there is a coach too stubborn to adjust. Like Vogel.

No its, not. IT WORKED. Bosh is fast, nobody can keep up with him off screens and it allows his to get open shots and easy driving lanes. He dunked the ball two or three times with this set. It is effective and I expect the Heat to incorporate it more next year, now that they have seen it work.

But like I said, you dont watch games just try to push narratives.

How do you explain Bosh shooting more 3s this year than his entire career in Toronto combined?

You really think he wasn't pushed out of the his comfort zone to accomodate LeBron, that this is all just a random coincidence?

C'mon. Of course he's going to look shaky, you take any player and push them out of any type of offence that they would be comfortable with and then expect them to show up on cue?

That's not how you handle a 20 ppg player. Miami neglected their other pieces and let them atrophy in a LeBron-centric offence for 90% of the season and then they cry and wonder why those players aren't able to perform at certain moments.

What happened in the NBA Finals is actually fairly predictable ... Bosh and Wade had zero real confidence, these guys aren't wired to be glorified role players.

[aj1987]

You don't have to "bang" to turn and face ... that's how he was 20+ ppg in Toronto.

That didn't evaporate over night.
And that's why he gets more touches and shots from mid-range and the post than from the 3pt land.

Why do you guys act like Bosh takes 10 shots from 3pt range? You do realize that looking up shot charts takes like 2 minutes, right?

[navy]

How do you explain Bosh shooting more 3s this year than his entire career in Toronto combined?

You really think he wasn't pushed out of the his comfort zone to accomodate LeBron, that this is all just a random coincidence?

C'mon. Of course he's going to look shaky, you take any player and push them out of any type of offence that they would be comfortable with and then expect them to show up on cue?

That's not how you handle a 20 ppg player. Miami neglected their other pieces and let them atrophy in a LeBron-centric offence for 90% of the season and then they cry and wonder why those players aren't able to perform at certain moments.

What happened in the NBA Finals is actually fairly predictable ... Bosh and Wade had zero real confidence, these guys aren't wired to be glorified role players.

I never said Bosh didnt expand his game to include three point shooting. Quit being an idiot. Bosh shoots three even when Lebron isnt on the court. Let's see the three big games by Bosh when Lebron sat out.
2012 vs Atlanta 1-3 from three point line. Game tying three pointer.
2013 vs San Antonio 3-5 from three point line. Game winning 3 pointer.
2014 vs the Trail Blazers Bosh 3-3 from the three point line. Game wining 3 pointer.

But, but but, Lebron was in so he had to camp out at the three point line. Wade wasnt in the first two game if you are trying to argue that it was Wade ball. :oldlol:

Once again, Lebron handled the ball less than usual and adding more screening and posting to his game. But you wouldnt know that since you dont watch the games .

What happen in the Finals is the Spur were the better team and had a better coach. 4 straight finals, with only the 4th one where the other team was clearly just better. The first one was lost because Lebron went into a corner and let his teammates try to shine. Really great idea.

Heat got outplayed and outcoached. Lebron ball doe. :facepalm

[Sarcastic]

He doesn't want to play in the post. He doesn't want to guard opposing centers. He said that himself. This is ISH though. People here know more about the players than the players themselves.


And Andrew Bynum wants to shoot 3's. That doesn't mean a coach is actually going to run an offense where Bynum is shooting 3's.


Is this how you imagine game planning goes?


Coach Erik Spoelstra: Hey Chris, how're you feeling today? What do you want to do tonight against the Pacers?

Chris Bosh: I just feel like shooting 3's today Erik.

Coach Erik Spoelstra: Ok then. Just camp the line. We'll get you about 5 or 6 shots, and run the offense through LeBron tonight. Just make sure you knock 'em down.

[red1]

lebron ball is carrying scrubs to finals and winning back to back chips. this is a bad thing how?

[aj1987]

And Andrew Bynum wants to shoot 3's. That doesn't mean a coach is actually going to run an offense where Bynum is shooting 3's.


Is this how you imagine game planning goes?


Coach Erik Spoelstra: Hey Chris, how're you feeling today? What do you want to do tonight against the Pacers?

Chris Bosh: I just feel like shooting 3's today Erik.

Coach Erik Spoelstra: Ok then. Just camp the line. We'll get you about 5 or 5 shots, and run the offense through LeBron tonight. Just make sure you knock 'em down.
So you're saying that Coach Spo needs to go?

Oh, and that Bynum example is retarded. I'm pretty sure that Bosh took more 3's in a single game than Bynum did in his entire career.

[navy]

And Andrew Bynum wants to shoot 3's. That doesn't mean a coach is actually going to run an offense where Bynum is shooting 3's.


Is this how you imagine game planning goes?


Coach Erik Spoelstra: Hey Chris, how're you feeling today? What do you want to do tonight against the Pacers?

Chris Bosh: I just feel like shooting 3's today Erik.

Coach Erik Spoelstra: Ok then. Just camp the line. We'll get you about 5 or 5 shots, and run the offense through LeBron tonight. Just make sure you knock 'em down.

The difference, Bosh is not a good post up player (probably why he doesnt like it as oppose to it tiring him out, as he has admitted double teams frustrate him) and Bynum is not a good three point shooter. The Heat didnt really have a problem offensively all year until Wade became unreliable in the finals. Bosh was never reliable and they still got off to 50% for the season. The only team to do so since the suns I believe.

[Black and White]

I agree with OP in regards to Chris Bosh, the Heat system (mainly Spo and Bron) has turned him into a spot up shooter, yes he isnt a back to the basket player, but he is fine in the post as a face up player like Dirk is, obviously he isnt as good as Dirk but the way they play is more finesse.

I honestly don't think LeBrons game favours a big men as much as it does perimeter players.

[Sarcastic]

lebron ball is carrying scrubs to finals and winning back to back chips. this is a bad thing how?


No it's not. But his teammates need to stop taking all the blame for not showing up, when they don't win.

[Lebron23]

Lebron is the only bright spot for the Heat in this year's NBA Finals. I shake my head when Wade was missing easy layups and free throws in the finals. I remember once instances when Wade missed 8 straight shots.

[Hey Yo]

Bosh plays that way now, because that is all he has been relegated to. Do you really think if he were on the Raptors still, that he would just camp the 3 point line? When the Big 3 formed, camping the 3 point line was all that was available to him, with Wade and Bran having all the responsibility of CREATING the offense.
FIFY

[Legends66NBA7]

Do you really think if he were on the Raptors still, that he would just camp the 3 point line? When the Big 3 formed, camping the 3 point line was all that was available to him, with Wade and Bran having all the responsibility of running the offense.

Because James and Wade are the better 1st and 2nd option than Bosh would be as a 1st option/2nd option. Simple pecking order.

Bosh gets his numbers and his team would struggle to make it to the playoffs in his Toronto days.

[navy]

Lebron is the only bright spot for the Heat in this year's NBA Finals. I shake my head when Wade was missing easy layups and free throws in the finals. I remember once instances when Wade missed 8 straight shots.

Yeah, Wade ended the series terrible. Almost comically bad. I never trusted Bosh, but Wade was the one who needed to show up. :facepalm

[knicksman]

Because of Lebron that player could rest and play every third game in the regular season and take it easy throughout most of the playoffs for one purpose only and that's to show up in Finals. That player failed miserably at that and this is now Lebron's fault even though he was basically carrying this Heat team whole year just so Wade can be fresh and healthy for the Finals? It's Lebron's fault that Wade's legs look like they were cut off, he has no lift, no explossion, he's missing easy layups around the basket etc...
His reckless play and age finally got to him it seems and that's somehow Lebron's fault?


maybe if he lets wade play the pg or pippen role, he wouldve been motivated to play. And his health might be preserved like cp3. But you know why it wouldnt happen? Because of stats. Triple double no more.

[knicksman]

lebron ball is carrying scrubs to finals and winning back to back chips. this is a bad thing how?

clearly an idiot who doesnt understand this game

[tmacattack33]

Bosh is a better player than this (much better). So is Wade.

Ever since teaming with LeBron they've both had to scale their games back massively because LeBron needs to dominate the ball to be involved in the game.

He has never bothered to develop a good post or simple quick dribble/pull up J game, as a result he needs to hold/dribble to ball for longer stretches.

The notion that he's a great team player and the Heat were a great team were really overstated. A great ball distributor like Magic would know how to involve Bosh and Wade into the game to their strengths.

Heat just never were a great team together, they won on sheer talent and some lucky bounces (like Ray Ray bailing them out in 2013) when they did win, they collapsed in 2011 and again in 2014 when having to face any real adversity.

I'll bump this thread after next year if Lebron leaves and Wade and Bosh look like sh*t.

And i'd also like to introduce you to Indiana game 4 or whatever it was when Lebron fouled out and Bosh and Wade couldn't step it up. And the Finals game 1 when Miami got outscored about 20 - 7 when Lebron was out for 7 minutes in the fourth quarter.

[red1]

clearly an idiot who doesnt understand this game
then prove me wrong.

[Droid101]

I'll bump this thread after next year if Lebron leaves and Wade and Bosh look like sh*t.

And i'd also like to introduce you to Indiana game 4 or whatever it was when Lebron fouled out and Bosh and Wade couldn't step it up. And the Finals game 1 when Miami got outscored about 20 - 7 when Lebron was out for 7 minutes in the fourth quarter.
What about his team-worst -21 both of their Home games?

[ILLsmak]

As I have said, Bosh can face up and isolate well. But it is completely predictable and he lacks the abiltiy to pass if the defense collapses on a drive of his. Which is why he struggled when the Spurs stopped letting him isolate on Duncan and Tiago.

Bosh did the same thing vs Indiana. Struggled initially then exploded. Vs the Spurs he was good initially then struggled. It had nothing to do with Spo, lebron, or Wade. It is on Bosh. Stop blaming people for his bad play.


Keep this nonsense up. As Ive said Lebron is more than content to let others create as he screens and post up. TOO a fault really. It works when it works looks terrible when it doesnt.

Bosh dropped a dribble dime to seal game two.

-Smak

[knicksman]

bosh has to sacrifice his game for lebrons FG%. If its not selfish and making your teammates worse or AKA cancer then i dont know what it is.

[knicksman]

Bosh can beat this spurs alone but couldnt with the big 3. Thats all you need to know about lebron ball

[outbreak]

One of the problems is also that Lebron, Bosh and Wade aren't the greatest fit for each others games. Kobe has a game that relies on controlling the flow just as much as Lebrons game does but he has been paired up with players who compliment his style. The miami big 3 were talented but they weren't exactly suited to play alongside each other.

[Trollsmasher]

Only true idiots can blame Bosh's and Wade's selfinduced *******ery on LeBron:facepalm

[knicksman]

Only true idiots can blame Bosh's and Wade's selfinduced *******ery on LeBron:facepalm

says who? a lebron stan who thinks lebron is great??:lol

[Soundwave]

Only true idiots can blame Bosh's and Wade's selfinduced *******ery on LeBron:facepalm

Lets use two star players out of position and not run any of the offense through them for 90% of the season.

Then lets act stunned when they can't perform when we actually play a decent team in the playoffs.

It really must be conspiracy that all these random coincidences crept up on the Heat and LeBron. Poor victims. This couldn't have possibly been avoided, lol.

[Magic 32]

If Kobe had played the same way as Lebron did, people would have said that he was isolating his teammates and not getting them into a rhythm.

The Spurs defense just shut down his playmaking the entire series.

I would like to see how many open shots Lebron created during the finals. I think it was less than 20.

[navy]

One of the problems is also that Lebron, Bosh and Wade aren't the greatest fit for each others games. Kobe has a game that relies on controlling the flow just as much as Lebrons game does but he has been paired up with players who compliment his style. The miami big 3 were talented but they weren't exactly suited to play alongside each other.

Why do people keep saying this? The only time they struggled with clashing styles was in 2011 in the first 20ish games. Every other year even that year they have been fine, even dominant. Remember that 27 game win streak? 4 straight finals? 50% field goal percentage in the regular season as a team? High FG% for every player on the Big 3 that showed an increase as they played together longer?

This team works. It works really well. They have had top 5 offenses and defenses. Well it worked. Now they just too old and slow with weak role players. Bosh has never been consistent for 4 years now. Lebron has been steady. Wade was fine until the injury bug took it's toll now he appears in flashes.

[JT123]

Lets use two star players out of position and not run any of the offense through them for 90% of the season.

Then lets act stunned when they can't perform when we actually play a decent team in the playoffs.

It really must be conspiracy that all these random coincidences crept up on the Heat and LeBron. Poor victims. This couldn't have possibly been avoided, lol.
How the hell is Wade playing out of position? :wtf: Every post you make is proving how dumb you are. Notice that the only posters agreeing with you are Kobe stans/Lebron haters. :oldlol:
Not a single objective poster has backed you up yet, that should tell you something.

[knicksman]

lebron ball makes him the system instead of being part of the system. It gives you great stats thats why you win lots of MVPs with this style. Its how AI, robertson, and bron win MVPs. But its only good when you have scrub as your teammates but not good when you have stars. Its the reason why brans +/- is not even better than kobe in the playoffs when paired with stars. Jordan did it and his team underperformed. Its the reason why oscar, iverson are considered cancers. Whats the use of stats or greater impact individually if he cant fit with others. I rather have a reggie miller who has lesser stats than iverson but can fit with teammates. Thats why jordan is great because he can fit with teammates. His role doesnt clash with pippen. Thats why when jordan was out, Pippen was still more or less the same pippen with jordan. And thats what you bran stans arent getting. Brans game wants him to be the system for stats. Thats why hes a failure and needed to cheat. And he will always be a failure unless he change his game.

[NumberSix]

What takes away from Bosh's game is the lack of a real center.

[Soundwave]

How the hell is Wade playing out of position? :wtf: Every post you make is proving how dumb you are. Notice that the only posters agreeing with you are Kobe stans/Lebron haters. :oldlol:
Not a single objective poster has backed you up yet, that should tell you something.

DWade is not a guy you use as a 2nd banana/spot up scorer all the time.

Magic Johnson was smart enough for example to say on certain nights "this is Kareem's night we're going to run the offence through him". He would do the same for Worthy. In a 7 game series he would make a point to get those guys involved because he knew he would need them later.

In "LeBron Ball" though ... nope, he wants to be the Jordan type, but he can't control the game offensively the same way Jordan did, his game is more like Magic's but he refuses to embrace that and that forces his teammates to become glorified spot up shooters.

[JT123]

DWade is not a guy you use as a 2nd banana/spot up scorer all the time.

Magic Johnson was smart enough for example to say on certain nights "this is Kareem's night we're going to run the offence through him". He would do the same for Worthy. In a 7 game series he would make a point to get those guys involved because he knew he would need them later.

In "LeBron Ball" though ... nope, he wants to be the Jordan type, but he can't control the game offensively the same way Jordan did, his game is more like Magic's but he refuses to embrace that and that forces his teammates to become glorified spot up shooters.
:facepalm Calling Wade a spot up shooter, proving that you likely haven't even watched a single Heat game this year. So tell me genius, how many spot up jumpers did Wade take in these Finals? :cletus:

[Replay32]

:lol

I would have to disagree. The "Spurs" destroyed the Heat.

1 star thread.

[Soundwave]

:facepalm Calling Wade a spot up shooter, proving that you likely haven't even watched a single Heat game this year. So tell me genius, how many spot up jumpers did Wade take in these Finals? :cletus:

Are you claiming Miami is using Wade in a way that maximizes his talent?

If they had any sense at all, earlier in these playoffs they should've give Wade a game where the offence ran primarily through him.

You have to keep a player like that involved as a primary point of the offence otherwise their confidence just isn't going to be there when you need it.

Again, this is what the 80s Lakers, and especially Magic understood very well.

[navy]

Are you claiming Miami is using Wade in a way that maximizes his talent?

Yes. They let him play PG, post up, slash, and run high pick and roll.

What else is there?

[mehyaM24]

"Lebron Ball" won them 2x championships, 4 trips to the finals, and allowed allowed Lebron to have the greatest Gm 7 performance in finals history.

LOL idiot

[JT123]

I'm done, there is no point in arguing with someone who thinks Wade is a spot up shooter. :roll: :roll: :roll:
I'm beginning to wonder if OP even knows what a spot up shooter is.

[DMAVS41]

Nah....

The Heat's horrid defense did that.

[Magic 32]

"Lebron Ball" won them 2x championships, 4 trips to the finals, and allowed allowed Lebron to have the greatest Gm 7 performance in finals history.

LOL idiot

http://exnba.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/james-worthy.jpg

[Pointguard]

http://exnba.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/james-worthy.jpg
You would have to add pictures of West, Russell, Magic, Frazier as well. Lebron's game was great but definitely not top five.

[Indian guy]

OP is a troll. Why would anyone bother responding to him? Judging by anythng he says, it's obvious he hasn't watched a LeBron game since 2007.

[knicksman]

Yes. They let him play PG, post up, slash, and run high pick and roll.

What else is there?

make wade the full pg and let bron play off the ball. Players are more unstoppable playing off the ball. Scoring and passing is most uncompatible position. If its done by one player, it means hes statpadding not playing team ball. It means youre hogging the ball which loses confidence to your teammates. Its either youre a pg or the scorer. No in between. Thats how oscar, iverson are labeled cancers. That the secrets to magic success by having more players happy instead of just 1 player. The happier your teammates = the more confidence. Thats why teamball>>one man team. Thats how dallas and spurs won. Thats how russell won 11 rings. Sharing the ball instead of just 1 player having the stats.

[BallsOut]

Sad that Wade and Bosh, once two superstar players for their respective franchises, have been reduced to mere spot up shooters by the effects of Lebron ball.