Do you consider the Heat's "Big 3" era a success?

[Doranku]

It's pretty safe to say that the Heat's Big 3 won't be winning any more rings together unless another major acquisition is made. Bosh has completely lost himself, Wade is done at the ripe old age of 32 (:roll: ), and LeBron has one foot out the door.

So was the collusion and stacking the deck a success?

2011 - flat out choked against a less talented team in the finals. A collapse for the ages by LeBron James.
2012 - beat the Thunder in a lockout year. Zero 50 win teams beaten.
2013 - beat the Spurs after facing the 30 something win Milwaukee Bucks, the Bulls D-League team missing their like 3 best players, and the 49 win offensively inept Pacers. One 50 win team beaten.
2014 - Heat's second best player, Dwyane Wade, was violently thrown into his basketball coffin by the Spurs. Heat were completely dominated in every facet of the game in what was essentially a 5 game sweep. I'm not sure what's more embarrassing, getting dominated by a 38 year old PF or allowing a 22 year old kid to win finals MVP.

Something to keep in mind: When the Heat formed, it was the top two players in the league and top 7ish 20/10 PF joining forces to win "not one, not two, not three...." You know the rest.


So was it a success?

[Meticode]

Why is Wade done?

[alanLA92]

Why is Wade done?

Did you watch the Finals? Wade should come off the bench from now on to give him another 2-3 years.

[r15mohd]

in the 4 years they've been together...you've gotten 4 Finals appearances and 2 titles

every team not named the Miami Heat would trade for these past 4 years, including this years San Antonio Spurs

[DStebb716]

Well considering they won two championships in four years which is more than any other team in that span -- yes.

[Doranku]

Why is Wade done?

Dude was sitting out games during the regular season so that he would be able to survive until the finals and he was still absolute dog shit.

Maybe he's not "done", but he isn't capable of being a legit second option on a championship team anymore. That much should be obvious.

[Legends66NBA7]

2 NBA Titles, 4 Finals apperances, 4 division titles, set a new record for wins in a season last year, along with setting the 2nd longest win streak in NBA history, 3rd team to make 4 straight NBA Finals, 6th team to win back to back titles.

It's a success. The only thing that could have been more than this would be winning 4 straight NBA titles, only 2nd team to do that.

[Just2McFly]

Doranku, and others like you....what are your plans with your life after this big three era ends?

[Soundwave]

Relatively yes. They all probably would have 0 rings in that time period had they not teamed up together.

In terms of being the next great NBA dynasty though ... they could be a disappointment there.

[r15mohd]

In context it was a failure. When these guys got together try themselves set the bar for not one not two not three not four..

They were expected to win more than 2 rings, it was championship or bust with this group every year & they came up short 50% of the time.


failure...nope, disappointing/unfortunate they ONLY got 2 out of 4 titles. definitely not a failure

[navy]

It hasnt ended yet...

[senelcoolidge]

Years and years from now it will just be a side note ( than again this will probably define this era, you can take that as good or bad) . Something that happened, maybe forgotten by many. It won't stand the test of time like the Boston and Chicago dynasties and some of the other great teams.

[Im so nba'd out]

Honestly,yeah they went to the NBA Finals every single year.

[Meticode]

So far it's not worked out the way they wanted it to...

They set the expectations high themselves with LeBron's 4,5,6,7... speech. That's on them.

As far as their expectations I'm sure it's not worked out the way they wanted, but in terms of success. I'm sure if someone offered you 2 'ships out of 4 years you'd take it.

[TheMarkMadsen]

It hasnt ended yet...

Adding Carmleo, Kevin Love, god or whatever other all star bran wants to team up with next wont be lumped in with the decision big 3

[DMAVS41]

It's pretty safe to say that the Heat's Big 3 won't be winning any more rings together unless another major acquisition is made. Bosh has completely lost himself, Wade is done at the ripe old age of 32 (:roll: ), and LeBron has one foot out the door.

So was the collusion and stacking the deck a success?

2011 - flat out choked against a less talented team in the finals. A collapse for the ages by LeBron James.
2012 - beat the Thunder in a lockout year. Zero 50 win teams beaten.
2013 - beat the Spurs after facing the 30 something win Milwaukee Bucks, the Bulls D-League team missing their like 3 best players, and the 49 win offensively inept Pacers. One 50 win team beaten.
2014 - Heat's second best player, Dwyane Wade, was violently thrown into his basketball coffin by the Spurs. Heat were completely dominated in every facet of the game in what was essentially a 5 game sweep. I'm not sure what's more embarrassing, getting dominated by a 38 year old PF or allowing a 22 year old kid to win finals MVP.

Something to keep in mind: When the Heat formed, it was the top two players in the league and top 7ish 20/10 PF joining forces to win "not one, not two, not three...." You know the rest.


So was it a success?


If it ended and they don't play again together?

Neither success or failure.

However, if they had been in the West...they would have likely done much worse.

They would have only made 2 finals max...and I don't think they win in both 12 and 13. I don't think they beat the 12 Spurs with an injured Bosh...and I don't think they for sure get through the tough West while injured and slumping in 13.

So a big reason why it wasn't a failure has to do with the pathetic competition in the East.

[Lebron23]

Years and years from now it will just be a side note. Something that happened, maybe forgotten by many. It won't stand the test of time like the Boston and Chicago dynasties and some of the other great teams.


Still more championship than CP3 and Blake Griffin. They likely won't win a championship in this era, and in the Wiggins era. They are the malone and stockton of this generation only without an NBA Finals appearance cause the two of them never elevated their game in the playoffs since they started to teamed up.

[Dro]

4 Finals, 2 rings, of course its a success.....

[Kidbasketball20]

1 ring in a lockout year
The other ring is one lucky Ray Allen shot away from being 1 in 4.



Total failure. 2 rings is terrible.

[navy]

Adding Carmleo, Kevin Love, god or whatever other all star bran wants to team up with next wont be lumped in with the decision big 3

And they added those players already? :oldlol:

[r15mohd]

If it ended and they don't play again together?

Neither success or failure.

However, if they had been in the West...they would have likely done much worse.

They would have only made 2 finals max...and I don't think they win in both 12 and 13. I don't think they beat the 12 Spurs with an injured Bosh...and I don't think they for sure get through the tough West while injured and slumping in 13.

So a big reason why it wasn't a failure has to do with the pathetic competition in the East.


the question isnt regarding the west...you can never stop the "ifs" can you :facepalm

[Lebron23]

Honestly,yeah they went to the NBA Finals every single year.

This

They just need to add some younger role players. And please don't see sign any more washed up former NBA All stars.

They need some youth and athleticism.

[ThePhantomCreep]

I always said (after that ridiculous Big 3 celebration) this group needs three titles minimum just to break even.

Two titles would be a mild disappointment.

[Lebron23]

I always said (after that ridiculous Big 3 celebration) this group needs three titles minimum just to break even.

Two titles would be a mild disappointment.


It's still not over LBj is only 29, and He had his 2nd best and most efficient scoring performance in the NBA Finals. The Heat just needs to reload, and please don't sign Melo he might become the Dwightmare for the Heat.

[Soundwave]

90s Bulls > Early 2000s Lakers > Duncan/Parker/Gino Spurs > Heat 3 = Kobe/Gasol Lakers.

Depends on what your expectations for them were.

They did win 2 finals, but they were also embarrassed out of two where they weren't even competitive.

[GrapeApe]

I know overreaction and living in the moment is human tendency, but the big 3 era is not over and the Heat will likely be right back in the finals next year. Everyone buried San Antonio after last year too.

[icemanfan]

when you pruchase a team rather than taking the time to actually build one all you care about is championships. They bought two of them. It was a fantastic purchase. Most who have tried purchasing championships in the past have failed. Kudos to the Heat front office for making sure they got the right guys to actually get what they paid for.

[Lebron23]

I know overreaction and living in the moment is human tendency, but the big 3 era is not over and the Heat will likely be right back in the finals next year. Everyone buried San Antonio after last year too.


This

38 yrs.old Duncan won an NBA championship. They were outgunned by a better team this year, and I think it's a sign that they need to start fixing their team in the off season. I hope Spo would let Wade play the Manu Ginobili role.

[Doranku]

People need to stop simplifying everything by saying, "well golly gee, they won two rings and made the finals every year, any team would take that!!" Well no shit. That isn't the point of this thread.

You have to look at context. You have to consider that the two best players at the time AND a top 7 20/10 PF formed the foundation for this team.

And then you have to consider how f*cking awful the East has been. You can't just ignore these things and say they won two rings. Context matters.

[Legends66NBA7]

Years and years from now it will just be a side note ( than again this will probably define this era, you can take that as good or bad) . Something that happened, maybe forgotten by many. It won't stand the test of time like the Boston and Chicago dynasties and some of the other great teams.

So their on the same tier as the Bad Boy Pistons Pistons of dynasties ? Or is it the Clutch City Rockets ?

[aj1987]

Did you watch the Finals? Wade should come off the bench from now on to give him another 2-3 years.
Did you watch the previous 3 rounds? What was it? 20/5/4/2 on 62% TS against the Pacers in the ECF?

[PJR]

So basically, anything short of them winning 4 in a row, something that has only been done by the 60's Celtics Dynasty, is a failure? :oldlol:

They went to four Finals in a row, and went 2-2 in those four trips.

You know who else did that?

The Bird/McHale/Parrish Celtics, and the Magic/Worthy/Jabbar Lakers. Where they failures to?

U dudes are funny, man. The hate is thick.

[alanLA92]

Did you watch the previous 3 rounds? What was it? 20/5/4/2 on 62% TS against the Pacers in the ECF?

Great series for him but dude can't play back-to-backs or play through 4 rounds of basketball in the playoffs. Not saying he's going to play only 12-15 mins per game, but might need to take a bench role and stay healthy.

[DMAVS41]

People need to stop simplifying everything by saying, "well golly gee, they won two rings and made the finals every year, any team would take that!!" Well no shit. That isn't the point of this thread.

You have to look at context. You have to consider that the two best players at the time AND a top 7 20/10 PF formed the foundation for this team.

And then you have to consider how f*cking awful the East has been. You can't just ignore these things and say they won two rings. Context matters.

You aren't claiming that Bosh was ever a top 7 player are you?

Other than that I agree. The east being so bad inflated the Heat's legacy hugely.

They make 2 finals max playing in the West. And I think 1 with 1 title is reasonable.

[Legends66NBA7]

People need to stop simplifying everything by saying, "well golly gee, they won two rings and made the finals every year, any team would take that!!" Well no shit. That isn't the point of this thread.

You have to look at context. You have to consider that the two best players at the time AND a top 7 20/10 PF formed the foundation for this team.

And then you have to consider how f*cking awful the East has been. You can't just ignore these things and say they won two rings. Context matters.

Depends if the era ends or not. If it continues, it could only possibly get better.

I've already made a thread last night regarding their competition and where they rank:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=342608

Again, whatever context you want to imply... it's a relative success, while setting records in some of those seasons.

[SouBeachTalents]

It's pretty safe to say that the Heat's Big 3 won't be winning any more rings together unless another major acquisition is made. Bosh has completely lost himself, Wade is done at the ripe old age of 32 (:roll: ), and LeBron has one foot out the door.

So was the collusion and stacking the deck a success?

2011 - flat out choked against a less talented team in the finals. A collapse for the ages by LeBron James.
2012 - beat the Thunder in a lockout year. Zero 50 win teams beaten.
2013 - beat the Spurs after facing the 30 something win Milwaukee Bucks, the Bulls D-League team missing their like 3 best players, and the 49 win offensively inept Pacers. One 50 win team beaten.
2014 - Heat's second best player, Dwyane Wade, was violently thrown into his basketball coffin by the Spurs. Heat were completely dominated in every facet of the game in what was essentially a 5 game sweep. I'm not sure what's more embarrassing, getting dominated by a 38 year old PF or allowing a 22 year old kid to win finals MVP.

Something to keep in mind: When the Heat formed, it was the top two players in the league and top 7ish 20/10 PF joining forces to win "not one, not two, not three...." You know the rest.


So was it a success?

Bosh has never been a top 7 player in the league at any point in his career, don't lie or exaggerate just to help your case

[jzek]

Why is Wade done?

13 PPG
3 RPG
2 APG

[JM720]

This team was not put together just to win 2 titles. Its as simple as that.

[Soundwave]

This team was not put together just to win 2 titles. Its as simple as that.

I'll give them this ... they could still win one more at least. They should be able to cruise to the Finals next year again.

[Legends66NBA7]

Bosh has never been a top 7 player in the league at any point in his career, don't lie or exaggerate just to help your case

He said Top 7 PF, man.

[SouBeachTalents]

90s Bulls > Early 2000s Lakers > Duncan/Parker/Gino Spurs > Heat 3 = Kobe/Gasol Lakers.

Depends on what your expectations for them were.

They did win 2 finals, but they were also embarrassed out of two where they weren't even competitive.

If you think the Heat weren't "competitive" in the 2011 Finals you simply didn't watch them. They should have easily swept the Mavs, at worst beat them in 5 games

[Lebron23]

This team was not put together just to win 2 titles. Its as simple as that.


It's not yet officially over. they just need to get rid of their older players, and I am sure plenty of mid 20's role players are willing to play in this team. Duncan is 39 yrs.old, and he wins another championship.

[aj1987]

Great series for him but dude can't play back-to-backs or play through 4 rounds of basketball in the playoffs. Not saying he's going to play only 12-15 mins per game, but might need to take a bench role and stay healthy.
He was good in the first 3 rounds and 2 games in the Finals. I did admit he was terrible in 3 games of the Finals, but it's not because of his health. Just bad basketball.

LOL @DMAVS, Dirk would probably be ringless if the Heat were in the WC. FYI, LeBron didn't choke in the first 3 rounds that season.

[Lebron23]

LMAO at this kobetard. Lebron have the same numbers of finals MVP as Kobe.

[SouBeachTalents]

He was good in the first 3 rounds and 2 games in the Finals. I did admit he was terrible in 3 games of the Finals, but it's not because of his health. Just bad basketball.

He wasn't "good", he was adequate/did his job in the first two rounds, played well against Indy, then was a complete and utter train wreck in the Finals

[Lebron23]

I'll give them this ... they could still win one more at least. They should be able to cruise to the Finals next year again.


The Heat are likely a different team next season. They need some youth and athleticism. No more washed up 30 yrs.old former NBA Al stars.

They need to work on their defense. Allen, Battier, Lewis, and Birdman are gone. They need to replace them with younger and hungrier role players.

[SOD 21]

Can Miami's big three era be both a success and also a disappointment at the same time?

[JellyBean]

Yes. I consider the Heat's Big 3 era a success. Four ECF titles and four NBA Final appearances resulting in 2 wins. Nice run. Nobody thought that it (meshing 3 players that lead their teams) would work. Remember when the Heat struggled at the beginning of the Big 3 era? Folks were writing them off then. But once everyone got comfortable and found their roles on the team, it was on and popping!!! So yeah. The Big 3 era was a success.

[SOD 21]

The Heat are likely a different team next season. They need some youth and athleticism. No more washed up 30 yrs.old former NBA Al stars.

They need to work on their defense. Allen, Battier, Lewis, and Birdman are gone. They need to replace them with younger and hungrier role players.

If they could only get some young talent like Michael Beasley or Greg Oden they would have an excellent chance at a championship.

[Doranku]

Yes. I consider the Heat's Big 3 era a success. Four ECF titles and four NBA Final appearances resulting in 2 wins. Nice run. Nobody thought that it (meshing 3 players that lead their teams) would work. Remember when the Heat struggled at the beginning of the Big 3 era? Folks were writing them off then. But once everyone got comfortable and found their roles on the team, it was on and popping!!! So yeah. The Big 3 era was a success.
:biggums:

[Lebron23]

If they could only get some young talent like Michael Beasley or Greg Oden they would have an excellent chance at a championship.


Spo is a retard. He benched beasley in the 2nd half of the season, and in the playoffs. Greg Oden idn't even play a single minute in the finals.

I am not talking about them. I am talking about the 25th overall pick, and the 55th overall pick in the 2014 NBA Draft. This is a very deep draft.

[Rodmantheman]

It's more of a success than a failure they did win multiple rings.

[Lebron23]

It's more of a success than a failure they did win multiple rings.


It's very difficult to argue with a Kobetard. Lebron and the heat have the same number of titles as Kobe's 2008 to 2011 Lakers.

[truhooper]

Well considering they won two championships in four years which is more than any other team in that span -- yes.

:applause:

[Mr. Jabbar]

long story short: not for lebron, yes for the franchise, so miami fans should feel happy

[Black and White]

Made the finals every year and converted 2 of them, I think it was a success,

But in theory, if you take the standard set by LeBron himself, not 1, not 2, not 3, then its a failure.

[Black and White]

It's very difficult to argue with a Kobetard. Lebron and the heat have the same number of titles as Kobe's 2008 to 2011 Lakers.

Yes but Kobes lakers weren't given a pass to the finals every year, just saying, you need to use context, this year especially, it was a cakewalk in the East.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Yes but Kobes lakers weren't given a pass to the finals every year, just saying, you need to use context, this year especially, it was a cakewalk in the East.

plus kobe did it with gasol :lol , no paycuts, no ref help, and in the west. it weighs 10x times the heat if not moar

[livinglegend]

Yes but Kobes lakers weren't given a pass to the finals every year, just saying, you need to use context, this year especially, it was a cakewalk in the East.

playing multiples 7 games = a pass?
good logic :oldlol:

[zoom17]

They went to the NBA Finals every single year and got two rings from it so yes it was a success.

[livinglegend]

plus kobe did it with gasol :lol , no paycuts, no ref help, and in the west. it weighs 10x times the heat if not moar

no ref help: rigged game 2010
played with Gasol: the real FMVP in 2010

[SamuraiSWISH]

No, it's been average considering the circumstances.

2011 they cowardly stacked elite level talent. Injury riddled, talent deflated, decimated Eastern Conference. They should've won in 2011, LeBron was terrible. They were a lucky ass bounce, and EPIC heroic shot from Ray Allen from being 1 for 4 in the Finals during the big three tenure.

Their small ball lineup was the saving grace that killed OKC, who lacked experience. It forced Perkins, the hole in the lineup to guard Bron on the perimeter. If Scott Brooks was a half way decent coach, it shouldn't have been like that at all, he should've adapted.

They got SPANKED so bad in this year's Finals ... it truly dampens their accomplishment of reaching 4x NBA Finals. They went through a notoriously all-time weak conference. Never truly dominant.

[Mr. Jabbar]

no ref help: rigged game 2010
played with Gasol: the real FMVP in 2010

ive got no1 in my ignore list, dont push it.

[zoom17]

plus kobe did it with gasol :lol , no paycuts, no ref help, and in the west. it weighs 10x times the heat if not moar

lol Kobe should only have at most 1 FMVP Gasol got robbed.

[Black and White]

playing multiples 7 games = a pass?
good logic :oldlol:

Didn't you say the 2008 Celtics steamrolled the East??

I'm only using your logic

[livinglegend]

ive got no1 in my ignore list, dont push it.

:oldlol: :oldlol:
mental weakness showing up.

[livinglegend]

Didn't you say the 2008 Celtics steamrolled the East??

I'm only using your logic

no, i didnt say that.

[Black and White]

no, i didnt say that.

I swear you said it in another thread not so long ago, anyway, point being, West > East

[livinglegend]

I swear you said it in another thread not so long ago, anyway, point being, West > East

i said Celtics in 2008 dominated the NBA more than Head did in 2011
:facepalm
Making up lies

[Black and White]

i said Celtics in 2008 dominated the NBA more than Head did in 2011
:facepalm
Making up lies

Lol, they didn't dominate it any differently than the Heat did, they went to game 7 against the Atlanta Hawks, we should have destroyed them, but sometimes it happens, if it wasn't for and epic chokejob by your hero, this wouldn't be a debate.

[The_LA_Blakers]

Anyone who thinks it has been a failure is nothing but a hater. 4 straight finals, 2 rings, a 2x MVP, the most improbable ring ever, the biggest shot ever, the most hated team ever, getting everyone's best game, please.




All the Heat haters on this thread are hilarious. Y'all just a bunch of Kobe/MJ stans now love Kawhi for averaging 17pts a gams.

[livinglegend]

Lol, they didn't dominate it any differently than the Heat did, they went to game 7 against the Atlanta Hawks, we should have destroyed them, but sometimes it happens, if it wasn't for and epic chokejob by your hero, this wouldn't be a debate.

nice try changing the subject.
Your initial counter argument was a lie.


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[cltcfn2924]

So basically, anything short of them winning 4 in a row, something that has only been done by the 60's Celtics Dynasty, is a failure? :oldlol:

They went to four Finals in a row, and went 2-2 in those four trips.

You know who else did that?

The Bird/McHale/Parrish Celtics, and the Magic/Worthy/Jabbar Lakers. Where they failures to?

U dudes are funny, man. The hate is thick.


Yeah, it's thick. Those Laker and Celtic teams didn't have parades before games were played. They didn't proclaim "this is going to be easy". Heat stans are very forgetful.

[Black and White]

nice try changing the subject.
Your initial counter argument was a lie.


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[PJR]

Yeah, it's thick. Those Laker and Celtic teams didn't have parades before games were played. They didn't proclaim "this is going to be easy". Heat stans are very forgetful.

That's cool, you can hate them as much as you'd like. Just acknowledge the fact that your assessment of them isn't ever going to be objective, but instead filled with emotion and fake outrage.

[Black and White]

That's cool, you can hate them as much as you'd like. Just acknowledge the fact that your assessment of them isn't ever going to be objective, but instead filled with emotion and fake outrage.

My assessment was fair.

[red1]

how can anyone argue otherwise

[veilside23]

yes but lets not forget its 50/50

[JT123]

Did OP really try to discredit the Heat for not beating any 50 win teams in a lock out year? :facepalm Pacers and Thunder were on pace for 50 wins, so that's all that matters.
To answer the question directly, yes and no. They were more successful than any of the other superteam attempts in recent memory, (2013 Lakers) but Wade and Lebron obviously wanted more than 2 rings, and neither expected Wade to break down at such an early age. Still, they became the first team in almost 30 years to make 4 straight Finals appearances. :applause:
You can say the East is super weak, but it has been that way for the last 15 years, yet the Heat were the only team to come close to making 4 straight Finals trips. :confusedshrug:

[Hey Yo]

If they were considered the favorite in all 4 and won only 2, then there could be a little argument made. But they went 2-2....lost 1 as a favorite and won 1 as the underdog.

Definitely not a failure.

[DMAVS41]

If they were considered the favorite in all 4 and won only 2, then there could be a little argument made. But they went 2-2....lost 1 as a favorite and won 1 as the underdog.

Definitely not a failure.

Yea...it's not a failure or success.

It's nothing.

Nothing noteworthy, other than the win streak, ultimately happened in the last 4 years.

A loaded team with a top 10 GOAT type player at his peak, with two other all nba type players in one of the weakest conferences ever with a few lucky breaks winning 2 titles in 4 years is a total "meh" historically.

Coolest and best thing this team accomplished was the win streak.

The problem is that in the losses...Lebron choked worse than any player of his caliber ever....and they just got raped badly in the finals this year.

One really has to wonder just how inflated the legacy of the Heat will be by making 4 finals. And we all know that just making 2 in the West over the same time was hardly a lock...

In fact, the more I think about it, the more I think they only make 1 finals in the 4 years playing real competition en route to the finals.

[JT123]

Yea...it's not a failure or success.

It's nothing.

Nothing noteworthy, other than the win streak, ultimately happened in the last 4 years.

A loaded team with a top 10 GOAT type player at his peak, with two other all nba type players in one of the weakest conferences ever with a few lucky breaks winning 2 titles in 4 years is a total "meh" historically.

Coolest and best thing this team accomplished was the win streak.

The problem is that in the losses...Lebron choked worse than any player of his caliber ever....and they just got raped badly in the finals this year.

One really has to wonder just how inflated the legacy of the Heat will be by making 4 finals. And we all know that just making 2 in the West over the same time was hardly a lock...

In fact, the more I think about it, the more I think they only make 1 finals in the 4 years playing real competition en route to the finals.
Here we go with the overrating of the West again. :lol Please tell me what "competition" the Spurs faced in 2013? The Lakers D-league squad? The no experience Warriors? Or was it that Memphis team who can't score and was only in the WCF because of Patrick Beverly? :roll:
The West is better overall, but lets not act like the top seeds are facing championship contenders every round. :no:
Other than the Spurs the only teams in the West who would stand a shot against the Heat this year are the Clippers and Thunder.

[Black and White]

Here we go with the overrating of the West again. :lol Please tell me what "competition" the Spurs faced in 2013? The Lakers D-league squad? The no experience Warriors? Or was it that Memphis team who can't score and was only in the WCF because of Patrick Beverly? :roll:
The West is better overall, but lets not act like the top seeds are facing championship contenders every round. :no:
Other than the Spurs the only teams in the West who would stand a shot against the Heat this year are the Clippers and Thunder.

I'm sorry but Dallas, Portland, Clippers, Golden State, OKC, SAS and Memphis are all legit teams that could all make the finals in the East.

[JT123]

I'm sorry but Dallas, Portland, Clippers, Golden State, OKC, SAS and Memphis are all legit teams that could all make the finals in the East.
No, they are not. If you wanna be prisoner of the moment then go ahead, but Miami would easily beat Dallas and Portland, and swept both teams during the regular season. Golden State and Memphis would provide challenges, but the Grizzlies don't have enough offensive firepower to beat the Heat 4 out of 7, and the Warriors aren't experienced/smart enough. I agree that the Clippers could beat Miami because of great ball movement and elite 3 point shooting. In the case of OKC, it would depend entirely on Westbrook. No one on Miami can guard him and if he was hitting his jumpers the Thunder would win, but that is far from a guarantee with him. :lol

[chris02jammers]

No.

And it's simple... 2/5.
stupid Idiot :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Black and White]

No, they are not. If you wanna be prisoner of the moment then go ahead, but Miami would easily beat Dallas and Portland, and swept both teams during the regular season. Golden State and Memphis would provide challenges, but the Grizzlies don't have enough offensive firepower to beat the Heat 4 out of 7, and the Warriors aren't experienced/smart enough. I agree that the Clippers could beat Miami because of great ball movement and elite 3 point shooting. In the case of OKC, it would depend entirely on Westbrook. No one on Miami can guard him and if he was hitting his jumpers the Thunder would win, but that is far from a guarantee with him. :lol

Here is a fact for you, the Rockets swept San Antonio in the RS, so Houston > SAS right?

Fact being said, you just admitted that 3 teams from the west could beat the Heat with a 4th and 5th possibly challenging them, not 1 team in the east was considered good enough to beat the Heat,

therefore West > East

[JT123]

Here is a fact for you, the Rockets swept San Antonio in the RS, so Houston > SAS right?

Fact being said, you just admitted that 3 teams from the west could beat the Heat with a 4th and 5th possibly challenging them, not 1 team in the east was considered good enough to beat the Heat,

therefore West > East
I'm not letting you get away with that one. :lol I know for a fact that you picked the Pacers the beat the Heat in 7 prior to the start of the ECF! :no:
Nice try though with the hindsight analysis. :oldlol:
Anyway, being challenged is nothing new for the Heat. During both of their title runs it took them more games to get to the Finals than their Western Conference opponent. I already admitted that West > East overall, only point I was trying to make was that the Heat are still a top 3 or 4 team in the league, despite getting demolished in these Finals.

[Droid101]

The Grizzlies have the best record against the big-3 era Heat. They'd easily beat them in the playoffs.

[ArbitraryWater]

I'm sorry but Dallas, Portland, Clippers, Golden State, OKC, SAS and Memphis are all legit teams that could all make the finals in the East.

Not in 2013.. In 2014, yes.
None the less, besides Spurs, Miami would most likely win all the other series'.

[Black and White]

I'm not letting you get away with that one. :lol I know for a fact that you picked the Pacers the beat the Heat in 7 prior to the start of the ECF! :no:
Nice try though with the hindsight analysis. :oldlol:
Anyway, being challenged is nothing new for the Heat. During both of their title runs it took them more games to get to the Finals than their Western Conference opponent. I already admitted that West > East overall, only point I was trying to make was that the Heat are still a top 3 or 4 team in the league, despite getting demolished in these Finals.

I picked the Pacers because I picked them at the start of the season to win, if you noticed, I was in the minority, I dislike the Heat so I picked against them, but you can't honestly say that anyone truly thought that Pacers team stood a chance, look at what all you Heat fans were saying, sweep, easy etc, and if you need any other substance, I also picked the Nets to take the Heat to game 6 (hence my avy), stupid pick I know :oldlol:

And of course the Heat is still a top 3-4 team, we aren't debating that, we are debating something else.

[Legends66NBA7]

The Grizzlies have the best record against the big-3 era Heat. They'd easily beat them in the playoffs.

:oldlol: @ easily beat them.

The Grizzlies are more or less the Pacers/Bulls in the West. The playoffs are a different story, as always. Those Grizzlies would face the same fate those Pacers/Bulls teams had when they faced the Heat: defeat.

[smoovegittar]

Considering the firepower and fanfare, I'll say they failed to achieve.

Young legs is not only what the Heat need. They need a much better coach. From what I see, Spo just hands out balls and towels. I believe the "big 3 era" is over - no matter who they get. The doubt has been planted.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Yes. 4 straight trips to the finals and 2 rings? About what I expected. Probably slightly better.

[SpecialQue]

You've gotta be fvcking kidding me with this shit.

[DMAVS41]

Here we go with the overrating of the West again. :lol Please tell me what "competition" the Spurs faced in 2013? The Lakers D-league squad? The no experience Warriors? Or was it that Memphis team who can't score and was only in the WCF because of Patrick Beverly? :roll:
The West is better overall, but lets not act like the top seeds are facing championship contenders every round. :no:
Other than the Spurs the only teams in the West who would stand a shot against the Heat this year are the Clippers and Thunder.

Well...the Heat got murked by the Mavs and now Spurs...8-3 combined.

So, at most, the Heat are making 2 finals playing in the West.

in 12...are they beating the Spurs without Bosh for 6 games? I personally don't think so. I think it's a terrible matchup to begin with and without Bosh I don't see how their defense can hold up.

In 13...they were injured and slumping and got a cakewalk to the finals. could they have still made it? sure, but it was going to be a lot harder getting worn down playing a team like the Warriors...and, by the way, the Grizzlies are just a better version of the Pacers.

So making the finals is out in 11 and 14.

And 12 and 13 are hardly locks given the state of the Heat.

If they were fully healthy in 12...then they make it and win it for sure as they were the clear cut best team that year at full strength.

But 13? Ugh....I don't think they would have had enough in the tank to get through and win the finals.

It's not over-rating the West when 2 of the last 4 years the Heat got their shit kicked...and if not for like 5 lucky breaks in game 6....it would be 3 of 4 years.

It's by far the better conference and it's not debatable.

[navy]

So making the finals is out in 11

Why?

[nba_55]

Well...the Heat got murked by the Mavs and now Spurs...8-3 combined.

So, at most, the Heat are making 2 finals playing in the West.

in 12...are they beating the Spurs without Bosh for 6 games? I personally don't think so. I think it's a terrible matchup to begin with and without Bosh I don't see how their defense can hold up.

In 13...they were injured and slumping and got a cakewalk to the finals. could they have still made it? sure, but it was going to be a lot harder getting worn down playing a team like the Warriors...and, by the way, the Grizzlies are just a better version of the Pacers.

So making the finals is out in 11 and 14.

And 12 and 13 are hardly locks given the state of the Heat.

If they were fully healthy in 12...then they make it and win it for sure as they were the clear cut best team that year at full strength.

But 13? Ugh....I don't think they would have had enough in the tank to get through and win the finals.

It's not over-rating the West when 2 of the last 4 years the Heat got their shit kicked...and if not for like 5 lucky breaks in game 6....it would be 3 of 4 years.

It's by far the better conference and it's not debatable.

Come on now. This is not how life works. You can't use logic to predict everything that happens or that could happen in life. Life is way more complicated. It's beyond logic. You just can't predict the actual events that could have happened.

[tpols]

Considering Lebron said out of his mouth "its gon be easy" and not 1, not 2, not 3.. etc. yea its kinda a failure.

The 2011 Finals was the absolute worst way for them to start. They rebounded the next year.. were a huge choke and one shot away from losing in 2013 with bran choking again, and they just got demolished this year.

[Magic 32]

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2014/0610/mag_miami_PS_061211_576x324.jpg

[DMAVS41]

Why?

Because they lost to the 11 Mavs.

In a hypothetical like this...that is a foundational claim.

I don't see how any logic leads one to think that the Heat would somehow beat the Mavs or Spurs in 11 and 14 respectively by playing them 10 days earlier.

Of course we don't know for sure, but I could then turn around and say the shit.

[navy]

Because they lost to the 11 Mavs.

In a hypothetical like this...that is a foundational claim.

I don't see how any logic leads one to think that the Heat would somehow beat the Mavs or Spurs in 11 and 14 respectively by playing them 10 days earlier.

Of course we don't know for sure, but I could then turn around and say the shit.

Would Lebron have choked before the Finals though?

[316MIA]

:roll:

Um LeBron is 29 (turning 30 in December)

Wade is 32

Bosh is 30

How df is the "Big 3" era over? All we have to do is sign a few acquisitions and we'll be back making bitches across the world cry again

[ball4life27]

it was a success knowing they will be back in the finals next year to compete again

[NumberSix]

Did somebody else has more success these 4 years?

[Mr. Jabbar]

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2014/0610/mag_miami_PS_061211_576x324.jpg

:lol

[NumberSix]

The key difference that everyone is ignoring is that Miami was NOT a top 10 defense this season. Non-top 10 defense teams DO NOT win championships.

[plowking]

4 finals trips in a row. When was the last time that was done?
Won 2 finals out of 4. Were favourites in 2 out of 4. Good success rate.
Millions in merchandise sales, and gave the NBA something to talk about.

Yeah, it was.

[smoovegittar]

:roll:

Um LeBron is 29 (turning 30 in December)

Wade is 32

Bosh is 30

How df is the "Big 3" era over? All we have to do is sign a few acquisitions and we'll be back making bitches across the world cry again
You'll be lucky to get past the Wiz. Heat's better days are behind...stop smoking that shit.

[Legends66NBA7]

You'll be lucky to get past the Wiz. Heat's better days are behind...stop smoking that shit.

Wizards have a big offseason too. Not sure how much money they will tie up to Ariza and Gortat, while their bench needs to be addressed too. If the Big 3 still stay together, their still retaining the division title.

[Kblaze8855]

Depends on if you think basketball players are as good as the names on their jersey regardless of how well they play. Anyone who watched the last 4 years and says they had any legit big 3 all 4 is lying.


They have had what id call the team envisioned in 2 playoff runs. 11 and 12. 13 and 14? Please. And 12 is a stretch. Bosh started what...10 playoff games and put up 12/7?

It was Lebron and two good players. There was no big 3 past 2012.

Sure as hell wasnt this year.

Its about like calling the 70 Lakers an epic failure. You pretend Elgin Baylor was the pre injury Elgin....prime Elgin? Fine.

Look at the players as they were....hardly worth talking about.

Much better teams than the Heat as they have been the last couple years have lost with little fanfare. What they were in summer 2010 has nothing to do with 2014 basketball.

Heat have the players as they were in 2010 for 4 years this would still be hard to call a failure. You win 2 rings you didnt fail. Period. Context not needed. Its just disregarding of how hard it is to win. Better teams than the Heat failed to do it.

Consider the players they became?

Wade is on the level of Hersey Hawkins right now.

What he used to be doesnt win games. Judging a team as if they had 3 bigtime players when they dont just because 4 years ago we thought they would for a long time is just weak.

World that is...the Heat arent all that great. Its not that shocking they lost. They won 54 games in the east....

[DMAVS41]

Depends on if you think basketball players are as good as the names on their jersey regardless of how well they play. Anyone who watched the last 4 years and says they had any legit big 3 all 4 is lying.


They have had what id call the team envisioned in 2 playoff runs. 11 and 12. 13 and 14? Please. And 12 is a stretch. Bosh started what...10 playoff games and put up 12/7?

It was Lebron and two good players. There was no big 3 past 2012.

Sure as hell wasnt this year.

Its about like calling the 70 Lakers an epic failure. You pretend Elgin Baylor was the pre injury Elgin....prime Elgin? Fine.

Look at the players as they were....hardly worth talking about.

Much better teams than the Heat as they have been the last couple years have lost with little fanfare. What they were in summer 2010 has nothing to do with 2014 basketball.

Heat have the players as they were in 2010 for 4 years this would still be hard to call a failure. You win 2 rings you didnt fail. Period. Context not needed. Its just disregarding of how hard it is to win. Better teams than the Heat failed to do it.

Consider the players they became?

Wade is on the level of Hersey Hawkins right now.

What he used to be doesnt win games. Judging a team as if they had 3 bigtime players when they dont just because 4 years ago we thought they would for a long time is just weak.

World that is...the Heat arent all that great. Its not that shocking they lost. They won 54 games in the east....

For once we agree.

Do you think the 12 Heat would have beaten the 12 Spurs with Bosh missing the first 6 games like he did against the Celtics?

[Warfan]

Great post Kblaze :applause:


For once we agree.

Do you think the 12 Heat would have beaten the 12 Spurs with Bosh missing the first 6 games like he did against the Celtics?

He came back in game 5 but didnt play a lot of minutes iirc. Not sure they'd win either way...

[DMAVS41]

Great post Kblaze :applause:



He came back in game 5 but didnt play a lot of minutes iirc. Not sure they'd win either way...

I know he played the last 3, but he was worthless for the most part in games 5 and 6. Was key in game 7 though...

[DukeDelonte13]

2 chips in 4 years is successful, and i hate everything about the heat.

It was a historically weak eastern conference though. That's not the Heat's fault, but it is what it is.

[plowking]

2 chips in 4 years is successful, and i hate everything about the heat.

It was a historically weak eastern conference though. That's not the Heat's fault, but it is what it is.

The East has been weaker in the past than what it is now, and so has the West.

[Legends66NBA7]

The East has been weaker in the past than what it is now, and so has the West.

The West ? It's probably been has deep as it's ever been. Which years in the West compares to this year's West ? Of the top my head, perhaps the 07/08 year does.

[plowking]

The West ? It's probably been has deep as it's ever been. Which years in the West compares to this year's West ? Of the top my head, perhaps the 07/08 year does.

I'm saying the East has been weaker than the East is now. And the West has also been a lot weaker than the current state of the East.

[Indian guy]

Did this dumbfu&k(Doranku) really say Miami didn't defeat any 50-win teams in the shortened season? :oldlol: LeBron surpassing his boy truly damaged his brain.

And how has the era been anything but a resounding success? 4 consecutive Finals, first team to accomplish that in 27 years. B2B championships over 2 stacked teams. All done with injuries often reducing their 2nd best player into a shell.

[Draz]

Why wouldn't it be? Look at my Knicks. Look at other franchises, they would call that a success. We tend to overrate what teams should be capable of doing when in reality it doesn't pan out to be like that.

[Legends66NBA7]

I'm saying the East has been weaker than the East is now. And the West has also been a lot weaker than the current state of the East.

Ah, nevermind then.

[Legends66NBA7]

Why wouldn't it be? Look at my Knicks. Look at other franchises, they would call that a success. We tend to overrate what teams should be capable of doing when in reality it doesn't pan out to be like that.

And to add to that expansions franchises that have been around just as long or almost as long as Miami has, like the Minnesota Timberwolves, New Orleans Pelicans, Memphis Grizzlies, and Toronto Raptors. Where is their success in the postseason that has lead to deep overall playoff runs, let alone a title ? They've got 2 Conference Finals appearances COMBINED between the 4 of them.

Just can't take this type of success for granted, regardless of the circumstances.

[DMAVS41]

Did this dumbfu&k(Doranku) really say Miami didn't defeat any 50-win teams in the shortened season? :oldlol: LeBron surpassing his boy truly damaged his brain.

And how has the era been anything but a resounding success? 4 consecutive Finals, first team to accomplish that in 27 years. B2B championships over 2 stacked teams. All done with injuries often reducing their 2nd best player into a shell.

Because they got upset in 11 and they just got clowned this year.

The 4 consecutive finals saves it from being a failure historically, but that is so inflated by playing in such a weak conference.

Put them in the West and it's max 2 finals 2 titles...which would be seen as a failure.

I do agree that overcoming of the Bosh injury in 12 and the Wade injury/team struggles outside of Lebron in 13 is impressive, but how much of this is a result of playing in such a terrible conference?

Do you really think the Heat get by the Thunder or Spurs in 12 without Bosh for basically 6 games of the series? I really don't think so...

I won't call it a failure or a success...I'll call it neutral. Two notable things happened. The 11 Lebron choke and the win streak....that is all I will remember honestly from 3 guys within the same conference joining forces in a historically weak time for said conference.

[Pointguard]

There is a lot of ambiguity in the argument.

A success would have been the Big Three having something that resembled harmony or a high level of play for each. - they never came close to that. These guys were the three most versatile players at three positions with intelligence to go with it. Our worst fears were that they could just out talent teams and they did. They won in 2012 and had crazy luck in 2013 to pull that one out and this is all they have to show for it. Its definitely not a failure but success is at least dominance for two years and to be feared for 3 of the 4.

At times they showed beautiful ball playing but nothing like SA just displayed. Their biggest success was their two-peat which is very hard to pull off (SA never really came close to that and they are the team of this century). Lebron and Wade were among the greatest passers ever at their positions. For a while there they ran the best duo fast break ever. But for the most part they lacked great flow. Pressure and injuries kind of killed their ability to have fun on the court (loved their Harlem Shake video tho). Lebron having to lead the team in rebounds for three straight years is a bit of a travesty too.

I think they underachieved. They didn't reflect much growth with each other and never got close to their max as players with great players around them.

[macpierce]

It was a success cuz they pulled off 2 chips, however looking back into context to include the 2 butt whoopings in the finals and a weak eastern conference with a bunch of injuries to opposing teams leaves a lot to be desired.

[J Shuttlesworth]

It's a success, but 2011 still haunts me. If LeBron played an AVERAGE game in the 4th quarters, we would have already 3 peated

[Keno]

4 years together, 4 finals appearances - only 3 times have done it, 2 rings.

[eliteballer]

Absolutely not...remember that party/press conference with Wade/James/Bosh being given the keys to the city by the mayor and Riley and Arison acting like they'd just won world war 3?

If they had won 3 titles maaaybe you could argue it, but losing twice against one team they were heavily favored against and another against a team who's most important players are all well past their primes? Nope.

[cltcfn2924]

in the 4 years they've been together...you've gotten 4 Finals appearances and 2 titles

every team not named the Miami Heat would trade for these past 4 years, including this years San Antonio Spurs


I disagree. These clowns had a parade before they even played one game. Said it would be easy, not 1,2,3...., not 6,7,8. By there very own definition they failed badly. They set their own bar, no fans would ever make such a proclamation.

[plowking]

I disagree. These clowns had a parade before they even played one game. Said it would be easy, not 1,2,3...., not 6,7,8. By there very own definition they failed badly. They set their own bar, no fans would ever make such a proclamation.

So they were supposed to win 8 titles in 4 years. Your own argument doesn't make sense.

[AcquiringSteak]

end of the day its 2/4 wins, which is just a pass. 4 straight finals appearances with a chance to 4 peat, not too bad.. celtics only won 1 ring with their big 3

if they make it again to next year finals (assuming lebron stays, honestly dont think they can do shizz all without him) and lose its a fail, win its 3/5 for the big 3 era

[poido123]

They put themselves in position to win in 4 straight finals.

You can't say it wasn't a successful run, they dominated most of the last 4 years.

[DMAVS41]

They put themselves in position to win in 4 straight finals.

You can't say it wasn't a successful run, they dominated most of the last 4 years.

Yea, but in a weak conference.

You wouldn't say it was successful making only two finals even if they won both.

Which would have been the max playing in the West.

The Heat really lucked out that the East was so incredibly weak these last 4 years.

[navy]

Yea, but in a weak conference.

You wouldn't say it was successful making only two finals even if they won both.

Which would have been the max playing in the West.

The Heat really lucked out that the East was so incredibly weak these last 4 years.

The East has only really been weak this year...

How was the 2011, 2012, or even 2013 East weak?

[alanLA92]

The East has only really been weak this year...

How was the 2011, 2012, or even 2013 East weak?

2011- Only Bulls and Heat had a chance at a title. Celtics was a experienced team but didn't feel they had enough to shock the conf like in '10.

2012- Same and got even weaker when Rose got injured.

2013- Only the Heat had a real chance. IMO Pacers weren't ready.

2014- Heat and Pacers but IND cracked late in the season.

While in the West multiple teams could be classified as a legit contender for the title each year.It sucks that both confs can't be equal but happens, same can be stated for NHL as the West is superior to the East there as well.

[poido123]

Yea, but in a weak conference.

You wouldn't say it was successful making only two finals even if they won both.

Which would have been the max playing in the West.

The Heat really lucked out that the East was so incredibly weak these last 4 years.


Even so, you still have to beat what's in front of you.

I don't really care much for the competition they faced, every team from the past has some kind of fortune to win a championship in one way or another.

I'm more concerned at the way they joined up, but that's been talked enough on here.

[navy]

2011- Only Bulls and Heat had a chance at a title. Celtics was a experienced team but didn't feel they had enough to shock the conf like in '10.

2012- Same and got even weaker when Rose got injured.

2013- Only the Heat had a real chance. IMO Pacers weren't ready.

2014- Heat and Pacers but IND cracked late in the season.

While in the West multiple teams could be classified as a legit contender for the title each year.It sucks that both confs can't be equal but happens, same can be stated for NHL as the West is superior to the East there as well.

Only the Heat had a chance because they were that good. Arguable best team in the nba every year but 2014.

The West doesnt have real parity. People just look at records and not play. The only real contenders have been the Thunder and Spurs the past three years and the Mavs for that first year. Everyone else was just making noise. It's no coincidence that the Lakers and Spurs have pretty much played in every finals the past 15 year. But but but 50 wins doe. Just noise.

[buddha]

winning one championship in the big 3 era would be a success for the Miami Heat. 2/4 ain't gonna cut it for LerBran Jamies legacy doe.

[Dengness9]

Anyone who thinks it has been a failure is nothing but a hater. 4 straight finals, 2 rings, a 2x MVP, the most improbable ring ever, the biggest shot ever, the most hated team ever, getting everyone's best game, please.




All the Heat haters on this thread are hilarious. Y'all just a bunch of Kobe/MJ stans now love Kawhi for averaging 17pts a gams.

Remember when it was a 1-1 series, and then Kawhi gave it to Bron?

You say he avg 17 but the real story is dude went off when it mattered most and was the best player on the court games 3-5 when the series was won.

23.6ppg
68.5 fg%
54% 3pt
9.3 rpg
2.0 spg
2.0 bpg


Kawhi earned MVP. After Pop woke him up, he beasted the Heat during some of the runs in game 3 and 4 that put the Spurs up big.

Bron had a great game 2, and 2 other great quarters in the series. That's it. He still passes too much and focuses on making the "right basketball play" too often. He was a ghost and powerless like his teammates when SA made all their big runs. I'm not making anything up.

Btw, refreshing to see a 22 yr old in Kawhi, **** up the best player in the world, take his ring and his FMVP and be more humble about it than Bron is at 29 yrs.:bowdown:

[Dengness9]

Success and a failure

[NumberSix]

Remember when it was a 1-1 series, and then Kawhi gave it to Bron?

You say he avg 17 but the real story is dude went off when it mattered most and was the best player on the court games 3-5 when the series was won.

23.6ppg
68.5 fg%
54% 3pt
9.3 rpg
2.0 spg
2.0 bpg


Kawhi earned MVP. After Pop woke him up, he beasted the Heat during some of the runs in game 3 and 4 that put the Spurs up big.

Bron had a great game 2, and 2 other great quarters in the series. That's it. He still passes too much and focuses on making the "right basketball play" too often. He was a ghost and powerless like his teammates when SA made all their big runs. I'm not making anything up.

Btw, refreshing to see a 22 yr old in Kawhi, **** up the best player in the world, take his ring and his FMVP and be more humble about it than Bron is at 29 yrs.:bowdown:
Kawhi Leonard 2014 finals > Michael Jordan 1996 finals

[NumberSix]

Success and a failure
If 2 chips is a failure, how fυcking pathetic is the Rose era?

[Dengness9]

Kawhi Leonard 2014 finals > Michael Jordan 1996 finals

Jordan 6/6
Kawhi 1/2
LeFraud 2/5


Jordan 27/5/4/1.7. 41% fg? Next two leading scorers for Bulls Pippen 15.7 ppg on 34% and Kukoc 13 ppg on 42%.

Keep reaching. Now is not the time to bring MJ into this. You have no ammo Bron bandwagon nut slurper.

[Dengness9]

If 2 chips is a failure, how fυcking pathetic is the Rose era?

Deflection.

Rose never guaranteed 8 championships anyway.

To this day, Derrick Rose's name comes spewing out of your posts. Especially when it has nothing to remotely do with him. The guy doesn't even play games anymore and it's still his name in your mouth when it's not Brons ****.


Rose rent free over der'

[FLDFSU]

People do realize that the 2011 heat were not favored to get past Boston in the Second round right? Folks do realize the Lakers were the overwhelming favorite that year right?

[Goldrush25]

Years and years from now it will just be a side note ( than again this will probably define this era, you can take that as good or bad) . Something that happened, maybe forgotten by many. It won't stand the test of time like the Boston and Chicago dynasties and some of the other great teams.

Yeah, you're fooling yourself. People still cry about the Decision like it happened yesterday. Everything is fresh in everyone's minds even though it was actually like 4 years ago. This isn't the Bulls or Lakers dynasty but it will be remembered well.

[step_back]

Yes it was a success, however they over hyped themselves.

[GimmeThat]

Yes it was a success, however they over hyped themselves.


and the crowd begins to sing~

"it's not so easy to win a championship ring"

[ILLsmak]

:biggums:

haha, yea it's like Coach Cal in college, dudes are like HOW DOES HE KEEP WINNING WITH FRESHMAN?!?!?

If you take 3 outstanding players, your team is going to be good regardless. It was not a success if they break up this early, period. That means they planned poorly.

2 wins is nice, but eh...

-Smak

[DMV2]

Back-to-back championships made it a success, but obvious it could have been better. 2 of their Finals series loses were an embarrassments; 2011 for LeBron and 2014 for the entire team. Their first win was against an inexperience OKC and their second title came via a miracle sequences of plays in the late seconds Game 6.

They haven't been as dominating as they were built to be, so that's why it's a success with a but. However, they can still win in 2015, that's 3 titles in 4 years. A true dynasty!

[deja vu]

Winning at least 1 title is considered a success, although it didn't help that they made that stupid "not 1, not 2, not 3..." promise.

[bballnoob1192]

the failure/success argument really boils down to if the person examining it wants to look at the heat as the team that formed in 2010 or the actual real identity of this heat team. The 2010 "team" image was the team of superstars and allstars. The true heat team is just your generic great championship team with 1 superstar, a top 15 player and and very good third option. The only reason why people argue that this is a failure is because they still think its 2010 and put this team on a pedestal. This heat team is no better than the kobe (superstar)/gasol (top 15)/odom (great third option) lakers.

[DMAVS41]

Even so, you still have to beat what's in front of you.

I don't really care much for the competition they faced, every team from the past has some kind of fortune to win a championship in one way or another.

I'm more concerned at the way they joined up, but that's been talked enough on here.

That is where we differ...I don't care how a team forms. The Heat were never "so good it's unfair for the rest of the league"...like people were saying in 2011.

I just think context must be brought to everything.

And the 4 year run is neither success or failure. It's nothing. 2 titles is/was the expected minimum. 4 finals exceeds expectations, but again, the competition was so weak...especially the last 2 years...that it gets inflated.

There will be 2 memorable events from these 4 years if the breaks up (I don't think they will)...

1. The 11 finals
2. The win-streak
3. Ray's shot

Everything else, is just normal championship stuff, Wade declined hugely in 13...and Bosh really has shown he's a very good player, but a marginally better player, if at all, than a guy like Odom was on the back to back Lakers teams as someone else pointed out and something I've been saying for 4 years now.

[DMV2]

That is where we differ...I don't care how a team forms. The Heat were never "so good it's unfair for the rest of the league"...like people were saying in 2011.

I just think context must be brought to everything.

And the 4 year run is neither success or failure. It's nothing. 2 titles is/was the expected minimum. 4 finals exceeds expectations, but again, the competition was so weak...especially the last 2 years...that it gets inflated.

There will be 2 memorable events from these 4 years if the breaks up (I don't think they will)...

1. The 11 finals
2. The win-streak

Everything else, is just normal championship stuff, Wade declined hugely in 13...and Bosh really has shown he's a very good player, but a marginally better player, if at all, than a guy like Odom was on the back to back Lakers teams as someone else pointed out and something I've been saying for 4 years now.
You honestly don't think Ray's shot will be remembered? Both Game 6 and 7? People talk about Game 6 and Ray's shot more than the 26/27 gamewinning regular season streak.

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:facepalm @ the fact that this is even a question. If Lebron were not playing for the Heat no one would ever ask this.

[DMAVS41]

You honestly don't think Ray's shot will be remembered? Both Game 6 and 7? People talk about Game 6 and Ray's shot more than the 26/27 gamewinning regular season streak.

Oh yes...I'm sorry.

Ray's shot will be remembered. I had it on my list earlier.

[DMV2]

Oh yes...I'm sorry.

Ray's shot will be remembered. I had it on my list earlier.
No worries...I kinda thought it was an honest mistake. :cheers:

[cltcfn2924]

That's cool, you can hate them as much as you'd like. Just acknowledge the fact that your assessment of them isn't ever going to be objective, but instead filled with emotion and fake outrage.

You're laughable. Emotion and outrage? All I did was state a fact. They set their own bar and failed miserably.